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From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: don king
Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:23:36 -0500

Joshua A Miller wrote:
>
> i just saw a blurb about a reissue of stuff by a band called don king,
> which i think was a no wave era band with lucy hamilton and  arto
> lindsay's brother (and also arto). it was compared favorably to test
> dept. anybody ever heard them?

Test Dept? I dont see any similarity. Don King were a mid 80's NY band,
the LP you speak of is good as I remember, NY Punk/Funk, kinda loose. My
main memory is of a (rather poor) Double bill of Don King & Sonny
Sharrock at the Kitchen in 1987. The groove was nice(Tony Mamone played
bass) but the singer/Guitarist(Lucy Hamilton?) was totally out of it,
and at one point passed out during the show.

--
Ignorance has a certain Charm,
Stupidity does not.

                                Frank Zappa

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From: Dgasque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tom Waits
Date: 01 Jan 1998 02:57:31 EST

<< On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Jason Tors wrote:

 Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much appreciated.  >>

I rather enjoy _Swordfishtrombones_ .

=dgasque=

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From: [e-mail] (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Pueblo
Date: 01 Jan 1998 07:11:42 EST

When did the premier of Zorn's Pueblo take place??

What was the instrumentation??

danka....

Geoff

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From: "DAL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada String Trio on record ?
Date: 01 Jan 1998 11:32:48 +0100

 When the Masada String Trio, consisting of Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander,
Greg Cohen, came here in Belgium (19/11/97 - Brussels), they told that as
soon as being back in NY they would record some material - to remember us
what they sounded like :) according to them -     Yet, I aint seen nothing
yet about future release on Tzadik's site.    What about it then ?   I'm
wondering if i'll ever hear again their astonishing rendering of Khebar
(Masada 8).


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes!
Date: 01 Jan 1998 18:18:57 -0700

I don't know if  anyone else has caught this, but I haven't seen it
metioned here...
While I was at my parents' house  for Christmas I watched quite a bit of
MTV's new station M2.
In between videos they play short films as MTV always has, but they also
played these musical interludes with very Harry Partch-esque looking
instruments; particularly the Pyrex bottles cut into shapes and
suspended from their necks.  Isaw a couple of others including a rhythm
machine made from a bicycle wheel hooked up to a home-made looking
keyboard with light bulbs.   It was odd in that there was only the
music: no MTV logo and certainly no mention of the music or musician.
The bicycle wheel device gave it away, and Iwhen I got home I checked
the Ken Butler CD on Tzadik, and I am fairly sure that it his him.
Anyone know how this guy ended up doing these films for MTV?  The clips
were on every few songs the couple of days that I glanced at the
station.
Lots of exposure but I doubt if many people will figure out who he is
from watching it.
On a somewhat related note, the head of the human resources  dept. for
the company I worked for is also named Ken Butler, and he flew into town
this week to fire my entire department; me included.  I was hoping to
still be working there when Tzadik released those Masada box sets next
year so I could make the same offer to the list subsribers I made with
the Parachute Years set, but sorry.  Hopefully someone else out there is
able to get these big ticket items at cost for us on the list? (hint,
hint)
-Mark Mauer
P.S.  So-Cal music -related job opening tips are greatly appreciated
right about now at: [e-mail]

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes!
Date: 02 Jan 1998 01:56:29 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> While I was at my parents' house  for Christmas I watched quite a bit of
> MTV's new station M2.
> In between videos they play short films as MTV always has, but they also
> played these musical interludes with very Harry Partch-esque looking
> instruments; [snip]
> the Ken Butler CD on Tzadik, and I am fairly sure that it his him.
> Anyone know how this guy ended up doing these films for MTV?

There are more than a few cool people at MTV, mostly behind the scenes, and
it was a lot of these music heads who really pushed for the M2 network and
helped shape its format.  One guy in particular, the main story editor for
MTV News, is a colossal Masada/Radical Jewish Culture fan who I would see at
the Knit regularly, and if you go to the Knit at all it's hard to miss those
incredible Butler creations.  That strikes me as a most likely scenario.
You're right, it would be very nice if Butler was identified.

Sorry to hear about your job.  Hope things work to your benefit ASAP.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(beginning his first new job since the Knit next Monday...)


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pueblo
Date: 02 Jan 1998 02:07:53 -0500

Geoff S Gersh wrote:

> When did the premier of Zorn's Pueblo take place??

Assuming it was truly the world premiere I attended (it was billed as
such) it was February 18, 1995 at the Cooler in New York City, on a
double bill with Marc Ribot's trio.

> What was the instrumentation??

If you saw my earlier Cooler-related post you'll know I was not in the
same room as the performers and couldn't see very well, but if I
remember correctly it was Marc Ribot, guitar, Chris Wood, bass, Joey
Baron, drums, Cyro Baptista, percussion, and Anthony Coleman, keyboard.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(and yes I *am* enough of a wonk to have kept a list of every goddamn
show I've ever attended... Patrice has *his* idiosyncrasies, I have
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From: MrBungL26 <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF
Date: 02 Jan 1998 04:13:17 EST

the shows are in SF at the end of the month - can anyone help me out and tell
me who is in cobra? i remember reading that trey spruance of the almighty
bungle was involved with cobra - was this as a fill in for a live show, or can
we expect an appearance?

thanks in advance

jeff

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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF
Date: 02 Jan 1998 23:15:09 +1100

> the shows are in SF at the end of the month - can anyone help me out and
tell
> me who is in cobra? i remember reading that trey spruance of the almighty
> bungle was involved with cobra - was this as a fill in for a live show,
or can
> we expect an appearance?

hmm, cobra isn't a particular group of people. it includes anyone who
happens to be available it seems. when bungle came to australia for
example, they did a little cobra performance on the side. but cobra shows
have included a wide range of musicians from yes, trey spruance to arto
lindsay to ikue mori even to jeff buckley. so, watch out, you may even find
a guest appearance from hanson.


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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Tom Waits
Date: 02 Jan 1998 11:04:47 -0600


On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:55:06 -0700 Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much
>appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Happy New Year!
>J.
Well, that depends on what you like.   He gets weirder as he gets older.
You can get a good sampling of his earlier stuff on the CD's aptly
tilted: 'The Early Years'   Volumes 1 and 2, I believe.  It's mostly Tom
playing  piano or guitar, and singing.  No other musicians.  Brilliant
stuff, says I.
The later material has already been mentioned on the list.

Also, see 'Down By Law' to see Tom Waits and John Lurie do some acting.

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They broke up AT&T... why can't we break up God?
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From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Discs of the year...
Date: 02 Jan 1998 20:04:26 +0000

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Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
light hearted discs of the year listings?

Here's mine to start off with. In no particular order.

Various artists, Great Jewish Music, Serge Gainsbourg.
Uri Caine/Gustav Mahler: Urlicht (forget full title).
Ken Butler, Voices of Anxious objects.
To Rococo Rot, Veiculo.
Jim O'Rourke, Bad Timing.
Dave Douglas, Sanctuary.
Samurai Celestial,  Cosmic Gold Millenium.
Various, Great Jewish Music, Burt Bacharach.
David Grubbs, Banana Cabbage etc
Heiner Goebbels/Ensemble Modern, Black on White.


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From: "Ted Reichman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched
Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:27:25 PST



>
>music at alt.coffee
>
>January-February 1998
>
>1/5     Moran/Speed/Noriega
>Matt Moran-vibraphone, Oscar Noriega-bass clarinet, Chris
Speed-clarinet
>playing compositions of Anton Webern & Matt Moran
>
>1/12    John Hollenbeck & Theo Bleckmann
>plus secret surprise guest
>
>1/19    Ben Monder Trio
>Ben Monder-electric guitar, Skuli Sverrisson-electric bass, Kenny
>Wollesen-drums
>
>1/26    Anthony Coleman le Trio Oblomov
>Michael Attias-saxes, Anthony Coleman-organ, Chris Lightcap-bass
>
>2/2     The Mellow Edwards
>Curtis Hasselbring- trombone & compositions, Matt Moran-vibes, Oscar
>Noriega-winds, Stomu Takeishi-bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet
>
>2/9     John Hollenbeck's Claudia Quintet
>Drew Gress-bass, John Hollenbeck-percussion, Matt Moran-vibes, Ted
>Reichman-accordion, Chris Speed-clarinet & tenor sax
>
>2/16    Peshko
>Adam Good-guitar, etc., Matt Moran-vibes, percussion
>Balkan folk music
>
>2/23    Cuong Vu
>Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet &
>tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet &
compositions
>
>celebrating one year of Monday night performances
>
>all shows are two sets starting at 9:00 pm
>
>free admission
>
>139 Avenue A (between St. Mark's & 9th St.)
>Manhattan
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Peter Latartara <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Zorn List V2 #144
Date: 02 Jan 1998 15:33:54 -0500

Please stop sending me Zorn-List!!!!!

Please take me off!!!  the mailing list!!!!!


thank you

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From: Peter Latartara <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Zorn List V2 #144
Date: 02 Jan 1998 15:33:47 -0500

Please stop sending me Zorn-List!!!!!

Please take me off!!!  the mailing list!!!!!


thank you

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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Art Bears
Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:47:23 PST

My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while
back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to
listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I
think of it! Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was
mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as to other people's
opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have
out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance.

SW

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Art Bears
Date: 02 Jan 1998 16:24:02 -0500

>>>>> "Silent" == Silent Watcher <[e-mail]> writes:

    Silent> My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter
    Silent> Songs_ a while back, after he picked it up at a record
    Silent> sale. I finally got around to listening to it today, and
    Silent> have to admit that I don't really know what I think of it!
    Silent> Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it
    Silent> was mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as
    Silent> to other people's opinions of this album, as well as if
    Silent> this is the only album they have out. If not, how do any
    Silent> others compare? Thanks in advance.

Perhaps your first exposure to Dagmar?  Her voice does take a little
getting used to, although I find her very expressive and unique
(admittedly after 15 years of exposure).  There were three Art Bears
albums between 1978 and 1981, of which Winter Songs was the middle
one.  The first album was originally a Henry Cow album, but when the
group as a whole couldn't agree on the contents, Dagmar, Frith, and
Cutler released it as a separate group.  Although it's been a while
since I listened to any Art Bears, the players and intent were similar
on all three.  Winter Songs I remember as being their most austere.

For me, Dagmar's vocal stylings started out pretty much in the
chanteuse vein with the first Slapp Happy records and got fairly
strident with Henry Cow and Art Bears.  More recently she has become
more mellow again.  Domestic Stories, a 1992 release with Dagmar,
Cutler, Lutz Glandien and guests, is one of my favorite of all ReR
releases.

Discographical details are available at the excellent ReR and related
site http://www.panix.com/userdirs/zampino/ReR/index.html.
---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stomu Takeishi
Date: 02 Jan 1998 16:43:56 +0000

What do folks know about this cat?
I was listening to Henry Threadgill's Where's Your Cup?
and he completely amazed me. One of the most original
electric bass concepts I've heard in a long time-great
tone and lots of interesting ideas (not to mention amazing
skills-soloing in octaves on a fretless !?!?!). The only
other recording I have with him is the first Paul Motian
Electric Bebop Band CD, which is cool, but not AMAZING,
like the Threadgill.
So, where'd this cat come from, what else has he recorded,
etc.?
--
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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From: [e-mail] (Rusty Crump)
Subject: Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched
Date: 02 Jan 1998 16:19:58 -0600

>>
>>music at alt.coffee


(snip)


>>2/23    Cuong Vu
>>Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet &
>>tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet &
>compositions
>>


I've seen Jim Black's name several times in the last couple of weeks'
postings, and was wondering: is this the same Jimmy Carl Black, "Hi, I'm
Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group," who played drums in
Zappa's original Mothers? I seem to recall that JCB played with Eugene
Chadbourne once upon a time, so the avant-garde lineage is there, but JCB's
drumming for Zappa seemed anything but avant-garde.

Grazie,

Rusty Crump
Oxford, MS
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From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Art Bears
Date: 03 Jan 1998 01:25:27 -0500

Silent Watcher wrote:
>
> My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while
> back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to
> listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I
> think of it!

 Not knowing what one thinks on a first listen, has allways been, to me,
the sign of a really good record.

> Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was
> mostly the vocals that bothered me.

Dagmar IS an acquired taste, but her singing in the Art Bears is not
without precedent, think Kurt Weill, or German Cabaret singing of the
early 1900's

> I was curious as to other people's
> opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have
> out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance.


Of their 3LP's, the 2nd, Winter Songs may be the hardest for a first
time listener. The first; Hopes & Fears is a bit more tuneful and more
of a logical extension of Henry Cow.   Their 3rd; "The World as it is
Today" is my favorite. IMO the finest example of agit-prop music ever
committed to vinyl. Loud, angry, and drawing on a variety of musical
styles. Lyrically, A marxist manifesto aimed directly at the face of the
Reagan & Thatcher administrations. This was originally pressed on
Audiophile vinyl and mastered at 45rpm, and is one of the most starkly
gorgeous recordings, strictly from a sonic point-of-view, you'll ever
hear

Rich

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From: Dgasque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Art Bears
Date: 03 Jan 1998 08:11:23 EST

In a message dated 98-01-02 15:54:04 EST, you write:

<< My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while
 back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to
 listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I
 think of it! Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was
 mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as to other people's
 opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have
 out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance.  >>

Aha...Dagmar didn't quite do it for you, eh?  Fab Fred Frith certainly knew
how to add the "edge" to the Art Bears, as if his guitar playing didn't do it
enough, and I don't know if he could have picked a better weapon than Dagmar's
vocals.  If there was ever a band better suited to break up a party at 2AM,
the Art Bears come most reccomended.  And that's a good thing- really.

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From: Erik Friedlander <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada String Trio
Date: 03 Jan 1998 09:51:27 -0500

A new masada string trio record has been recorded along with a new Bar
Kohkba record.  These will I'm sure be out this year...when?  Not sure,
could be spring.


Erik Friedlander

http://www.erikfriedlander.com

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From: Dan Kuehn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: waits greatest hits
Date: 03 Jan 1998 06:51:33 -1000

If you can stand 16 wide-ranging versions of the same tune, the soundtrack for
Jim Jarmuch's Night in the City is a great chance to hear the guy's non-vocal
talents writing and arranging, produced too.

It's eerie midnight taxiride music.
--
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens

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From: WINRECORDS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Zorn Cobra SF show
Date: 03 Jan 1998 11:53:24 EST

Can anyone post details on this show? Location/date??
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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: waits greatest hits
Date: 03 Jan 1998 09:20:58 -0800

Don't miss Bone Machine...percussive demonic delight

and the live version of The Piano Has Been Drinking/Lord's Prayer from
Bounced Checks

his performance in Altman's Short Cuts as L. Tomlin's husband

everything he's ever done...he is a master



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From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 03 Jan 1998 19:35:13 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:

> Samurai Celestial,  Cosmic Gold Millenium.

What is this?

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

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Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jim Black [was Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched]
Date: 03 Jan 1998 23:48:33 -0500

Rusty Crump wrote:

> >>2/23    Cuong Vu
> >>Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet &
> >>tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet &
> >compositions
> >>
>
> I've seen Jim Black's name several times in the last couple of weeks'
> postings, and was wondering: is this the same Jimmy Carl Black, "Hi, I'm
> Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group," who played drums in
> Zappa's original Mothers? I seem to recall that JCB played with Eugene
> Chadbourne once upon a time, so the avant-garde lineage is there, but JCB's
> drumming for Zappa seemed anything but avant-garde.

Jim Black is not Jimmy Carl Black, "the Indian of the group."  He's only 31,
for starters.  He's best known for his work in Bloodcount and Dave Douglas's
Tiny Bell Trio.  Yves Citton in Pittsburgh recently mailed me a copy of a
really nice interview he'd done with Jim Black for a magazine called Discourse
and I hope to have this transcribed and added to the Press page on the Screwgun
website, which has undergone a massive facelift recently and is still located
at http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm

Incidentally, the younger Jim did get *his* chance to play with Eugene
Chadbourne as well during the fall U.S. tour of Ellery Eskelin's Jazz Trash
trio... it happened in Chapel Hill, NC.

Steve Smith
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From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Drumbo
Date: 04 Jan 1998 12:40:54 +0000

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Dear all

A passing visit to Home Page Replica reveals that John French is about
to have a solo drum album released on Avant. Titled O Solo Drumbo it
seems to be sheduled for early this year.

Track titles and liner notes at the following:

http://www.shiningsilence.com/hpr/people/french3.html

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From: "Toru Todate" <[e-mail]>
Subject: weird little boy
Date: 04 Jan 1998 23:52:31 +0900

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I found the information the 2 new Zorn's albums will be released in
February( in Japan).
One is called ' Weird Little Boy' from AVANT, the other is 'Masada 9' from
DIW.

Anybody knows about 'Weird Little Boy'?

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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: BIG Activity?
Date: 04 Jan 1998 15:58:20 -0800

Anyone know of the recent whereabouts/activity of Blind Idiot God or its
members? The last I heard of Hawkins was his 'Azonic Halo' and the
shared CD with Broadrick. Haven't heard anything from the other two.

For that matter, is BIG still functional?

Brian Olewnick

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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fahey
Date: 04 Jan 1998 17:35:53 -0700

At 11:19 AM 12/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>dennis summers wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to take a moment to second somebody's (sorry, I've been catching
>> up and lost track) positive comments on guitarist John Fahey's disk
>> Womblife.
>How does this disc compare to the recent 'City of Refuge'??
>
>                -Tom Pratt
I like it better. It has more of an "ambient noise thing" going than City of
Refuge, which I also like a lot, but find to be more about "songs".
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From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trespass
Date: 05 Jan 1998 07:41:49 +0000

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Can anyone offer me an opinion on the desireability of the Ned
Rothenberg album Trespass. Features Zorn, apparently.

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From: Paul Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: James "Blood" Ulmer Blues Experience
Date: 05 Jan 1998 20:50:37 +1100

Hi

James Blood Ulmer will play in Melbourne on the 16 & 17 of this month as
part of the Melbourne International Jazz Festival. The program listings are
less than informative as to who will be playing with Ulmer.

Any ideas as to who will be touring with him?

TIA

Paul



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From: Erik Friedlander <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Trio/Bar Kohkba
Date: 05 Jan 1998 09:46:36 -0500

A new masada string trio record has been recorded along with a new Bar
Kohkba record.  These will I'm sure be out this year...when?  Not sure,
could be spring.


ErikF

For more info go to my Web site:  http://www.erikfriedlander.com
I'm not at these addresses too much, but they are active:
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: MrBungL26 <[e-mail]>
Subject: dates for SF
Date: 05 Jan 1998 14:50:43 EST

i was told:

-jan 30 john zorn/mike patton/and friends

-jan 31 john zorn's cobra

both shows are scheduled at slim's in SF 333 11th st.

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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BIG Activity?
Date: 05 Jan 1998 20:06:02 PST


>Anyone know of the recent whereabouts/activity of Blind Idiot God or
its
>members? The last I heard of Hawkins was his 'Azonic Halo' and the
>shared CD with Broadrick. Haven't heard anything from the other two.
>For that matter, is BIG still functional?

I read an interview with Andy Hawkins (naturally I don't remember what
magazine) at the beginning of the summer. He said that BIG was
definitely making another album, but that he didn't know who would put
it out, since Avant has a backlog of releases coming up. I think he also
mentioned that Laswell would not be producing it, at that juncture
anyway.

SW

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pueblo
Date: 06 Jan 1998 00:58:37 -0500

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:07:53 -0500  Steve Smith wrote:
> >
> > Steve Smith
> > [e-mail]
> > (and yes I *am* enough of a wonk to have kept a list of every goddamn
> > show I've ever attended... Patrice has *his* idiosyncrasies, I have
> > *mine*...)
>
> Really?
>
>         Patrice :-).

Well, so I've *heard*........ ;-)

Steve
(whose seeming over-reliance on the *emphatic* use of asterisks may just
imply *another* idiosyncrasy in the making...)



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From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: CDs for sale
Date: 06 Jan 1998 11:08:29 -0600 (CST)

Hi all,

I *had* to clean out my CD collection (to make room for my new stuff :-))
and am getting rid of about 200 CDs (of *all* genres/types).  The Zorn
related stuff includes a coupla Tzadik CDs, the Japanese _Leng Tch'e_, a
few things on Avant, a Dave Douglas CD, some Japanese stuff on PSF, and
other things......

Anyway, my list is at www.enteract.com/~beuchaw/cdsale.html or you can
email me at [e-mail] with a subject of CDSALE (all caps, just
like that, so my autoresponder will catch it) and get the list.

Sorry for the commercial-type intrusion.....

cya
brian
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare






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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 06 Jan 1998 21:35:33 -0500 (EST)



On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:

> Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
> light hearted discs of the year listings?

Why not?  My top 10, in democratic alphabetical order:

Bjork, _Homogenic_
Brotzmann/Gania/Drake, _The "WELS" Concert_
Dave Douglas, _Sanctuary_
Bill Frisell, _Nashville_
Bill Laswell, _City of Light_
Paul D. Miller, _Viral Sonata_
Jim O'Rourke, _Bad Timing_
Photek, _Modus Operandi_
Henry Threadgill & Make A Move, _Where's Your Cup?_
John Zorn, _New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands_

Happy New Year, all.

Chris Hamilton


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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:27:35 -0800

> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
>
> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
> > light hearted discs of the year listings?
>

My finalists:

Ground-Zero        Consume Red
Anthony Braxton        Quartet (Santa Cruz) 1993
Jim O'Rourke        Bad Timing
John Zorn        Filmworks IV
Frederic Rzewski    Night Crossing
Yoshihide/Stone        Monogatari/Amino Argot
Iannis Xenakis        Electronic Music
John Zorn        Duras:Duchamp
Henry Threadgill    Where's My Cup?
Frederic Rzewski    New + Recent Works

Honorable mention:

Steve Beresford        Cue Sheets
Braxton/Grawe        Duo (Amsterdam) 1991
Braxton            Composition 193
John Fahey        Womblife
John Fahey        City of Refuge
Luc Ferrari        Presque Rien
Ikue Mori        Painted Desert
Ken Vandemark        Single Piece Flow
Zorn            Filmworks III
Zorn            New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands

Pretty satisfying year.

Brian Olewnick

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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Date: 06 Jan 1998 21:53:06 -0500 (EST)



While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
Span_ in a used book store of all places.  I don't recall this being
discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
musician.  The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well.  It's fine, but
not spectacular.

     The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff.  It's
Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto.  While the sounds are
recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
expect of Zorn or any other reed player.  In fact, it sounds like Oval
more than anything else.  I highly recommend, although I don't know if
it's in print.

Chris Hamilton


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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:35:33 -0800

Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
> Span_ in a used book store of all places.  I don't recall this being
> discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
> The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
> Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
> musician.  The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
> guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well.  It's fine, but
> not spectacular.
>
>      The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff.  It's
> Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto.  While the sounds are
> recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
> Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
> expect of Zorn or any other reed player.  In fact, it sounds like Oval
> more than anything else.  I highly recommend, although I don't know if
> it's in print.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
> -
Chris,

You might also enjoy his 'Sooner or Later' (RecRec 1991), which uses the
sampled cries of a grieving Salvadoran child to great effect (along with
Frith samples).

Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.

Brian Olewnick

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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 06 Jan 1998 19:11:59 -0800


>> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
>>
>> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
>> > light hearted discs of the year listings?


David Thomas MONSTER BOX
John Coltrane 1961 VILLAGE VANGUARD BOX
John Zorn DURAS: DUCHAMP
Bloodcount UNWOUND
Koch-Schutz-Studer HEAVY CAIRO TRAFFIC
Rob Brown Trio HIGH WIRE
Crispell/Hauser/Leimgruber+ BEHIND THE NIGHT
Derek Bailey GUITAR, DRUMS 'N' BASS
Harry Partch THE HARRY PARTCH COLLECTION, VOLS. 1-4
Bob Dylan TIME OUT OF MIND

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From: Gauthier Michelle A <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Date: 06 Jan 1998 23:05:30 -0500 (EST)





This is an excellent CD.  I have it on a label called ReCDec, which has
most of Ostertag's older stuff-- I think it's European.  It is still
possible to purchase this from ReCDec.  The coolest part of the disc is
definitely the wide dynamic range, which Bob discusses in the liner notes.
It's intended to be played LOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!


-Michelle

On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote:

>
>
> While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
> Span_ in a used book store of all places.  I don't recall this being
> discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
> The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
> Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
> musician.  The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
> guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well.  It's fine, but
> not spectacular.
>
>      The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff.  It's
> Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto.  While the sounds are
> recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
> Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
> expect of Zorn or any other reed player.  In fact, it sounds like Oval
> more than anything else.  I highly recommend, although I don't know if
> it's in print.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
>
> -
>
>


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From: Gauthier Michelle A <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 06 Jan 1998 23:23:01 -0500 (EST)


> Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.
>
> Brian


Brian,

The most recent disc I know about is one called _Like A Melody, No
Bitterness_, second latest would probably be _Verbatim_. These are
both excellent.  There is also a
fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
disc escapes me right now.  I'm sure someone can help me out with the name
and label.   I'm not sure how far back you're interested
in going, but... some good ones:

-Fear No Love (Avant)
-All The Rage [with Kronos Quartet] (Elektra/Nonesuch)

goin' waaaay back...

-Voice of America [with Frith and Minton] (ReCDec)

there is also a really cool Anthony Braxton 2 CD set set with Ostertag
somewhere out there that is still available...

And the last I heard, Ostertag was soon to have his own disc out on
Tzadik, as part of the Composer Series.


Hope this helps!

-Michelle



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From: Corey Marc Fogel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 06 Jan 1998 21:37:33 -0700 (MST)



On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Gauthier Michelle A wrote:

> fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
> disc escapes me right now.  I'm sure someone can help me out with the name

" Twins! "


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From: Michael Howes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:16:40 -0800

>>> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
>>> > light hearted discs of the year listings?
>
>Crispell/Hauser/Leimgruber+ BEHIND THE NIGHT

 What's this like? What label is it on?
mike
[e-mail]


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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:01:11 +0100



   >> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
   >>
   >> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
   >> > light hearted discs of the year listings?


   Amon Tobin: Bricolage
   Great Jewish Music: Serge Gainsbourg
   Roni Size & Reprazent: New Forms
   Dave Douglas : Sanctuary
   Marc Ribot : Shoe String Symphonettes
   Klaus Schulze: Jubilee Edition
   Material : Seven Souls
   Harris/Bernocchi: Overload Lady
   David Shea: Satyricon
   Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach


   YVes


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From: Jan-Wen Lu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 07 Jan 1998 22:00:31 +0800

> Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
> light hearted discs of the year listings?

The following is my list for discs of the year('97):
*Ground Zero/Play Standards (Nani)
*Otomo Yoshihide/Melted Memory (Valve/AMOEBIC)
*John Zorn/The Parachute Years 1977-1980 (Tzadik)
*Annick Nozati/La peau des Anges (Vand'oeuvre)
*Francis Dhomont/Frankenstein Symphony
*Frank Schulte-Switchbox/Berg Du Berg Ich (Moers)
*Bob Ostertag/Like A Melody, No Bitterness (My Very Own Record)
*Machine For Making Sense/Talk Is Cheap (Split)
*Schurch-Seigner-Thoma/Interni Pensieri (Intakt)
*David Watson/Bit-Part Actor (Braille)

   (In no particular order)


Jan-Wen Lu


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From:    [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 08:55:43 -0500

>On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Gauthier Michelle A wrote:

>> fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
>> disc escapes me right now.  I'm sure someone can help me out with the name

>" Twins! "

On Otomo's Creativeman label ...


-Patrick



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Date: 07 Jan 1998 08:17:17 -0800


    Talking about Ostertag, Tower Records, a couple days ago, was listing
a new one without any mention of the label (as usual...). Now, checking again
at their list of new releases, I do not see it anymore. Hallucination?

    Patrice.

BTW: a new Frisell is listed (GONE JUST LIKE A TRAIN).

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 08:25:40 -0800


On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:23:01 -0500 (EST)  Gauthier Michelle A wrote:
>
>
> > Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.
> >
> > Brian
>
>
> Brian,
>
> The most recent disc I know about is one called _Like A Melody, No
> Bitterness_, second latest would probably be _Verbatim_. These are
> both excellent.  There is also a
> fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
> disc escapes me right now.  I'm sure someone can help me out with the name
> and label.   I'm not sure how far back you're interested
> in going, but... some good ones:


075 - TWINS: Bob Ostertag, Otomo Yoshihide

    1/ Wacked                                   (Robertson)              4:01
    2/ Exercises For Currency                   (Yoshihide)              6:56
    3/ 3 Bear Rooms(Dust)                       (Cutler)                 4:46
    4/ The Power of Success                     (Ostertag)               5:49
    5/ Fruits from Viet Nam                     (Yagi Michiyo)           4:00
    6/ 4 Rooms of Hong Kong Stuntman            (Yoshihide)              6:41
    7/ You're going nowhere                     (Ostertag)               5:32
    8/ Tabbing will Get you there Faster        (Ostertag)               5:14
    9/ Otok                                     (Yoshihide)              6:23

    (1) recorded at The Corner Store Syndicate Studio, Brooklyn on February
    28, 1996
    (2,6,9) recorded at Lost Space, Tokyo on July 2-5, 1996
    (3) recorded at Studio Midi-Pyrenees, Caudeval, France in 1996
    (4,7,8) recorded in San Francisco in June-July, 1996
    (5) recorded ???
    Produced by Noda Shigenori.

  Herb Robertson (1): trumpet; Otomo Yoshihide (2,6,9): sampler, hard-disk
  recorder; Matsubara Sachiko (2,6): sampled voice; Chris Culter (3): gongs,
  tubular, bell, kit drums, Tibetan finger cymbals, clay drum, woodblock,
  tambourine, radio; Bob Ostertag (4,7,8): sampler; Yagi Michiyo (5): 17-
  string kotos, koto; Tanaka Yumiko (6): shamisen, singing.

    1996 - Sank-Ohso/Creativeman Discs (Japan), CMDD-00030 (CD)


    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail] ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette)
Subject: Re: BIG Activity + more
Date: 07 Jan 1998 12:57:41 -0500

>>Anyone know of the recent whereabouts/activity of Blind Idiot God or
>its
>>members? The last I heard of Hawkins was his 'Azonic Halo' and the
>>shared CD with Broadrick. Haven't heard anything from the other two.
>>For that matter, is BIG still functional?
>
>I read an interview with Andy Hawkins (naturally I don't remember what
>magazine) at the beginning of the summer. He said that BIG was
>definitely making another album, but that he didn't know who would put
>it out, since Avant has a backlog of releases coming up. I think he also
>mentioned that Laswell would not be producing it, at that juncture
>anyway.

If anybody else finds out anything on this, please post it -- BIG is one of
my favorite bands and I just can't get enough of them.  Also, does anybody
know exactly from which magazine the aforementionned article might be from?
I'd like to get a copy, if possible.

And speaking of BIG and it's members, I was wondering: will Slan (who
featured Ted Epstein, E# and Zorn) ever release a full-lenght CD?  And is
it worth buying the CDs the band is on just for their one or two
contributed tracks?

On another note, are there any Diamanda Galas fans on this list?  I'm
curious to find out which of her releases features her best vocal work and
music.

=46inally (hoping not to annoy anyone too much), I'm trading/selling two
Tzadik releases: Ground Zero's Null and Void and Keiji Haino's Tenshi No
Gijinka.  E-mail me for details if interested.

Bruno

R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D.
Professeur titulaire
=46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive
Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke
Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec
J1K 2R1
=20



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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: waits greatest hits
Date: 07 Jan 1998 13:28:25 -0500 (EST)

i think that's 'NIGHT ON EARTH' (actually, i know it is).

it's pretty cool.
his music for the play 'the black rider' is absolutely increadible,
though.  Broken-down circus music with really dilated pupils....

On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Dan Kuehn wrote:

> If you can stand 16 wide-ranging versions of the same tune, the soundtrack for
> Jim Jarmuch's Night in the City is a great chance to hear the guy's non-vocal
> talents writing and arranging, produced too.
>
> It's eerie midnight taxiride music.
> --
> Dan Kuehn
> resident manager
> Kailua Maui Gardens
>
> -
>


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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year... (fwd)
Date: 07 Jan 1998 19:45:49 +0100 (MEZ)


Why not?  My top 10, in democratic alphabetical order:

Bjork, _Homogenic_

Chris Hamilton

yepp sorry i forgot about the Bjork CD.............

BJOERN


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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas
Date: 07 Jan 1998 13:51:16 -0500

>>>>> "Remi" == =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette <[e-mail]> writes:

    Remi> On another note, are there any Diamanda Galas fans on this
    Remi> list?  I'm curious to find out which of her releases
    Remi> features her best vocal work and music.

I started listening to Diamanda after hearing a live performance on
our local classical station of New Music America 1980, where she
performed her Dirge.  I started buying her records as soon as I saw
them, so everything I have of hers, except the Plague Mass and The
Singer, is on vinyl.  I have no knowledge of the availability of the
earlier releases on CD, and my descriptions below are from memory.

Wild Women with Steak Knives and the Dirge for those
Murdered... (forget the exact title) are positively scary, and still
my favorite pieces (although I admire them more than I actually listen
to them).  Processed ululations, demented screams echoing around the
speakers, makes me wish I'd seen a live performance.  Litanies of
Satan is pretty good, but more recognizable text than the other two.
The trilogy that makes up the studio recordings of the plague mass
continue the move towards text rather than sounds, and I prefer the
live single disk recording to the trilogy.  I thought the trilogy was
toned down after her early work, as if she was giving her vocal cords
a (much deserved) rest, emphasizing dramatics over intensity.  This
emphasis was reversed on the single disk Plague Mass.  I was *very*
disappointed with The Singer and haven't heard the John Paul Jones
collaboration, any of her early free improv stuff, or her performances
of 1960s avant garde classical works.


---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas
Date: 07 Jan 1998 11:04:05 -0800


On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:16 -0500  Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Remi" == =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Remi> On another note, are there any Diamanda Galas fans on this
>     Remi> list?  I'm curious to find out which of her releases
>     Remi> features her best vocal work and music.
>
> I started listening to Diamanda after hearing a live performance on
> our local classical station of New Music America 1980, where she
> performed her Dirge.  I started buying her records as soon as I saw
> them, so everything I have of hers, except the Plague Mass and The
> Singer, is on vinyl.  I have no knowledge of the availability of the
> earlier releases on CD, and my descriptions below are from memory.

Don't know the situation exactly, but Asphodel recently joined Mute in
a program to document Diamanda Galas' ouptput.

    Patrice.

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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 11:51:07 -0700

> Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.
>

Ostertag has a new website, with up to date details:

http://www.detritus.net/ostertag

--



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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From: ROLAND JOST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 16:32:05 -0500

Gauthier Michelle A <[e-mail]> wrote:
There is also a fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... t=
he
name of the
disc escapes me right now.  I'm sure someone can help me out with the nam=
e
and label. =


twins!
 also featuring parents: herb robertson, yagi michiyo and chris cutler.
this is on creativeman disc CMDD-00030

roland

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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 18:20:10 -0800

Gauthier Michelle A wrote:

> there is also a really cool Anthony Braxton 2 CD set set with Ostertag
> somewhere out there that is still available...
>

Hold on now! Anymore info on this?  Don't think I've ever heard of this
one and it sounds very intriguing....

Brian Olewnick

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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 19:12:23 -0500

I really like 'Verbatim' which I got a little while ago. It's a disc of
Ostertag sculpting a collective sound from solo improvisations by Phil
Minton, Mark Dresser and Gerry Hemmingway. The fourth track is
particularly haunting. It's the third part of his 'Say No More' series.

I didn't like 'Fear No Love' at all. It's Ostertag doing dance kind of
stuff with lyrics which I didn't care for at all.

listening to: Slint 'Spiderland'

            -Tom Pratt

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From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Carny, live and on CD
Date: 07 Jan 1998 23:27:46 -0500

Zorn's composition for piano solo "Carny" will be performed on Tues. Jan 13
at Jordan Hall, New England Conservatory in Boston.  8pm, free.  The
soon-to-be-released CD "Angelus Novus" which includes "Carny", however, is
not free.


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From: "The Platypus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trades
Date: 07 Jan 1998 21:52:29 PST

Hi. I was hoping that there might be some people on this list who may
want to do a few trades. I'm a huge MR BUNGLE fan and am wanting to get
into a lot of the different JOHN ZORN CD's which are out there. If
anyone has any CD's & you want to trade the actual CD or just tape them
for me in return for something from my list at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8730
then please let me know. Naked City seems a good place to start but I'll
consider anything incuding BOB OSTERTAG'S Fear No Love. Thanks.


______________________________________________________
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hey Kids! Tzadik News!  [longidh]
Date: 08 Jan 1998 02:29:37 -0500

Hi everybody and happy new year...

I just checked out the "News and Notes" page at tzadik.com this morning
and was rewarded with the following (with pardons begged if someone else
posted this and I missed it).  My own interjections are set off by
asterisks, my fetish of 1998.

==========================================================

Coming In February 1998

** to be more specific, should be in your stores on the 17th of the
month, alongside Masada 9**

PAINKILLER - The Complete Studio Recordings: Guts of a Virgin, Buried
Secrets & Execution Ground
Featuring: John Zorn, Bill Laswell, Mick Harris, Yamataka Eye, Justin
Broadrick, G.C. Green.
An historical reissue released in cooperation with Earache Records. Out
of print for years - with most of the material being released
domestically for the first time.  PainKiller is Bill Laswell, Mick
Harris & John Zorn, and this special 4CD package is the ultimate
PainKiller document: The complete studio recordings, with all of the
original booklets and artwork intact - uncensored and uncompromising,
from their classical **[sic]** release of 1991 Guts Of A Virgin, to
Buried Secrets (featuring members of Godflesh) and their 1994
masterpiece Execution Ground. In addition to all of their blistering
studio pieces and extended ambient remixes is included a ferocious live
performance from Osaka, Japan that captures the band at the height of
its powers. Drawing equally from the tradition of jazz, hardcore punk,
dub, ambient and much more, PainKiller has created some of the most
intense music you're ever likely to hear, enclosed in some of the most
deliriously beautiful artwork you're ever likely to see.

** note that it's now listed as a 4-, not 3-CD set... guess that's one
for the two Earache releases combined, one for the "Execution Ground"
studio recordings, one for the "Execution Ground" ambient mixes and one
for the "Live in Osaka" disc.  Seems to me that the claim that most of
the material is issued domestically for the first time is spurious at
best, since only "Osaka" is new unless there's something we're not being
told - and one can only hope...  Guess that means that "Rituals" (with
Keiji Haino) will remain a highly sought-after rarity - maybe the new
"Cynical Hysterie Hour"?  Nahhhh....  Gotta admit, though, that I've
never, ever seen "Rituals" in New York and bought my copy most
unexpectedly in Tempe, AZ**

Milford Graves: GRAND UNIFICATION
Featuring: Milford Graves: Solo Drums
Professor, herbalist, healer, Milford Graves is first and foremost one
of the world's great geniuses of the drum. Rarely heard live, even more
rarely found in the studio, a new recording by Milford Graves is a
special event. Long overdue, this is the CD that free jazz fans and
every drummer in the world has been waiting for: his music for solo
drums. Intense, shooting off in all directions at once and yet always
firmly rooted in the tradition, Tzadik is proud to release this
important and historic solo recording by one of the world's legendary
drum masters.

**amen, and most likely a sure sign of Zorn's friendship with Graves
student Susie Ibarra... Zorn's also releasing a solo drum disc by
Captain Beefheart's Magic Band drummer John French to inaugurate the new
"Virtuoso" series on Avant in '98, as was previously mentioned on the
Zornlist.  Wonder if he'd be interested in tracking down Jamie Muir
while he's at it...?**

John Zorn FILM WORKS VIII - 1997
Featuring: Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander, Greg Cohen, Marc Ribot, Min
Xiao-Fen, Anthony Coleman, Cyro Baptista, Kenny Wollesen
Zorn's Masada music has never sounded as beautiful or as evocative as in
this recording originally created for "Port Of Last Resort" - a film
documentary about the Jewish refugees who escaped Nazi Germany by
resettling to Shanghai. Augmenting the exciting Masada String Trio with
the sensual pipa of Min Xiao-Fen, the versatile guitar of Marc Ribot and
the ivory touch of Anthony Coleman's piano stylings, this music blends
Jewish and Chinese themes in a way both touching and fresh. Also
included is an exotic all-percussion score for Ela Troyano's quirky gay
porno film "Latin Boys Go To Hell," featuring the bizarre sonorities and
driving rhythms of Cyro Baptista and Kenny Wollesen.

** waaaaay cool, I bet.**

Coming In March 1998

Radical Jewish Culture
Gary Lucas
Bar Kokhba (2CD set)

Lunatic Fringe
Dion McGregor

Composer Series
Bun Ching Lam

Coming In April 1998

Film Music
Evan Lurie

Composer Series
Eyvind Kang

New Japan
Ruins
Death Praxis Plus

==========================================================

Thanks are due to Keiko Uenishi [[e-mail]] for her vigilant upkeep
of the Tzadik news page.

See y'all,
Steve Smith
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Slint (slightly off-subject)
Date: 08 Jan 1998 08:51:27 +0100

Tom Pratt wrote:

> listening to: Slint 'Spiderland'
>

Boy, if there is one record that stands the test of time it must be this one!
Everywhere I go I hear people rave about this 1990 (?) release. And, actually,
I agree with them in that it must be one of the best rock albums ever made.

Top 8 1997:

Jim O'Rourke - Bad Timing
Bjork - Homogenic
Stereolab - Dots and Loops
Faith No More - Album Of The Year
Isotope 217 - The Unstable Molecule
Aerial M - As Performed By ...
4 Hero - Earth Pioneers (actually a 2x12")
Photek - Modus Operandi

Frankco.


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From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Date: 07 Jan 1998 23:56:55 -0800

Brian Olewnick wrote:


>Gauthier Michelle A wrote:
>
>> there is also a really cool Anthony Braxton 2 CD set set with Ostertag
>> somewhere out there that is still available...
>>
>
>Hold on now! Anymore info on this?  Don't think I've ever heard of this
>one and it sounds very intriguing....
>


Unless there's something else I'm forgetting, I'm pretty this must be the
Braxton Creative Music Orchestra live in Europe discs on Hat ART.

Ostertag was mainly using Serge Modular synth/electronics at the time &
this is not 1) a duo recording or anywhere close; and 2) Ostertag's
contribution isn't all that related to his later sampler-based work.

It's one of the few recordings of this period (late 70s-early 80s) of
Braxton's large-scale works for improvisors.


Herb Levy
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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News!  [longidh])
Date: 08 Jan 1998 09:55:35 +0100

Hi,

Before the Masada/Painkiller avalanche sets in in response to Steve's
post, I'd like to express an interest in Evan Lurie mentioned
under Tzadik film music. What's the guy up to?
I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
of some kind.
What film music of his is the Tzadik release going to feature?

Stephane


At 02:29 08.01.98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>Hi everybody and happy new year...
>
>I just checked out the "News and Notes" page at tzadik.com this morning
>and was rewarded with the following (with pardons begged if someone else
>posted this and I missed it).  My own interjections are set off by
>asterisks, my fetish of 1998.
>
>Coming In April 1998
>
>Film Music
>Evan Lurie
>
>==========================================================
>
>Thanks are due to Keiko Uenishi [[e-mail]] for her vigilant upkeep
>of the Tzadik news page.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>


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From: Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Ostertag Stuff
Date: 08 Jan 1998 11:08:29 +0100 (MET)

There is a good way to get info and stuff from Bob Ostertag himself on the
following site :

http://www.detritus.net/ostertag

Jacques Oger



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From: "A.Bueno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: best of 97
Date: 08 Jan 1998 10:30:21 -0300

This are my picks for best 97 albums

Bloodcount -discretion
Paraphrase -visitation rites
Xenakis -kraanerg
Ligeti-vol(1-6)
John Adams-Chamber Symphony
Michael Blake-Kingdom of Champa
Someck&Sharp-Revenge of stuttering child
Dave Douglas -Sanctuary
Cromagnon -Bull
Mario Pavone -dancers tails

Reissues
J.Coltrane -live village vanguard
F.Zappa -200 motels
Harry Partch vol.(1-4)

               A.B.

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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: top ten?
Date: 08 Jan 1998 08:55:03 -0500

I hate these things, but I do it anyway:

    Tim Berne/Bloodcount UNWOUND
    Uri Caine URLICHT
    Dave Douglas SANCTUARY
    James Emery STANDING ON A WHALE
    Bobby Previte TOO CLOSE TO THE POLE
    Henry Threadgill WHERE"S YOUR CUP?
    Anthony Braxton QUARTET SAN JOSE
    Bill Frisell NASHVILLE
    Derek Bailey & Pat Metheny SIGN OF FOUR
    Joe Zawinul TALES OF THE DANUBE

Honorable mention to two 1997 re-issues that otherwise would be top
five:
    Herbie Nichols COMPLETE BLUE NOTE
    John Coltrane COMPLETE VILLAGE VANGUARD

Alan E Kayser


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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dates for SF
Date: 08 Jan 1998 07:37:32 -0800





>i was told:
>
>-jan 30 john zorn/mike patton/and friends
>
>-jan 31 john zorn's cobra
>
>both shows are scheduled at slim's in SF 333 11th st.
_________________________________

I heard the Cobra date was 2/1 at Slim's. ??

s~Z



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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stalling
Date: 08 Jan 1998 11:42:43 -0500

Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's music???

            -Tom Pratt

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 08 Jan 1998 12:33:28 -0500

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:

    Tom> Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's
    Tom> music???

cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
releases of his music listed.



---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ellington
Date: 08 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0700

I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing style floor me.
I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East Suites, Money Jungle, and Live at
the Whitney. I want to get more, he has so much material out there I want
to be sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am asking the
folks for this list for some suggestions. I really like his smaller combo
stuff, he plays out more.
So suggest away!

A big thank you to everyone that helped out with my Tom Waits deficiency, I
have not hit the music store yet, but why I do I plan to grab a lot of late
70s Waits. Thanks a lot!

Jay.



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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 08 Jan 1998 09:59:25 PST

>>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>    Tom> Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's
>    Tom> music???
>
>cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
>releases of his music listed.

There are two CDs that Warner Bros. released titled "The Carl Stalling
Project" and "The Carl Stalling Project Volume 2.". They contain music
from Warner Bros. Cartoons and also have some sound FX thrown in, too. I
think they're quite good. I was surprised (although I guess I shouldn't
have been) at how well these pieces stand on their own, without the
accompanying cartoons. Added bonus : John Zorn wrote some of the liner
notes to Volume 1.

SW

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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 08 Jan 1998 08:58:44 +0100 (MEZ)

seems as if my list didnt come through...if some of you get it twice:
SORRY
my opinion on that:

Isotope 217 THE UNSTABLE MOLECULE
Mouse on Mars AUTODITACKER
Coldcut LET US PLAY
Squarepusher HARD NORMAL DADDY
Koch-Schutz-Studer HEAVY CAIRO TRAFFIC
David Slusser DELIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL
Roni Size NEW FORMS
Bohren & der Club of Gore MIDNIGHT RADIO
Bob Ostertag LIKE A MELODY...
Bjork HOMOGENIC

BJOERN







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From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 14:06:45 -0500

Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work. I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
hear what other people think of this album.

Jamie

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Ellington
Date: 08 Jan 1998 14:11:48 -0500

>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Tors <[e-mail]> writes:

    Jason> I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing
    Jason> style floor me.  I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East
    Jason> Suites, Money Jungle, and Live at the Whitney. I want to
    Jason> get more, he has so much material out there I want to be
    Jason> sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am
    Jason> asking the folks for this list for some suggestions. I
    Jason> really like his smaller combo stuff, he plays out more.  So
    Jason> suggest away!

You might want to check some of the jazz-on-CD guides.  There's a big
one by Penguin (I think), which has lots of recommendations, and is
well worth the money if you're into jazz on CD.


---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 11:33:30 -0800


>Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
>know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
>anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
>Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work. I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
>to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
>has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
>hear what other people think of this album.
>
>Jamie

I'm listening to him live on KCRW right now. As much as I love Frisell's
sound, I'm sure glad I didn't buy tickets for the McCabes show. I waited
until I could hear this music. It is very pretty. I would be bored by it.
Others will love it. Jim Keltner is no Jim Black!

s~Z



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 16:07:01 -0600



----------
>>
> I'm listening to him live on KCRW right now. As much as I love Frisell's
> sound, I'm sure glad I didn't buy tickets for the McCabes show. I waited
> until I could hear this music. It is very pretty. I would be bored by it.
> Others will love it. Jim Keltner is no Jim Black!
>
Comparing Keltner to Black is apples and oranges.....Two completely
different styles... Keltner has gained mucho respect in the industry and is
a master acccompianist ! I generally don't buy a whole lot of records with
Keltner but he's paid his dues and has proven himself over the years...

glenn
>
> -
>

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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 16:25:06 -0600



----------
>>
> Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
> know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
> anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
> Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work.

Well if it sounds like the above than that's good (IMO)..

I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
> to make his music more marketable.

Musicians need to eat also.... I'm fairly confident tha BF will be churning
out great "non-marketable" product over the next several years.  After all,
what has he done lately that could by coined avante, or "way out there" ?
Personally, i'd like to hear a new Power Tools album..............but...

glenn
>

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From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pachora
Date: 08 Jan 1998 15:22:00 -0700

Has anyone made it down to the Knitting Factory Old Office to check out
Pachora? I will have to head down there due to the overabundance of great
player in this lineup. Jim Black, Chris Speed, Brad Shepik, and Skuli
Sverrison. I was hanging out at the Bell Cafe last saturday night and
Brad's other band called Brad Schepik and the Commuters played. It was an
interesting blend of middle eastern, indian, turkish melodies combined with
a solid jazz framework. The sound file I downloaded off the knit's homepage
seems like it is that vein as well. Should be interesting.

Any reviews of the show please send them my way.



Thanks.



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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:45:45 -0500

I think the new Frisell is fine. It definitely fits the
direction he's been going in since at least "This
Land"-fewer effects and more exploration of the guitar
harmonically, playing simpler melodies with interesting
self-accompaniment instead of long lead melodies. I don't
think it's really possible for him to sell out-his voice
on the instrument is so unique that even if he played with
Counting Crows it'd be worth hearing.
It's also always interesting to hear him revisit
compositions he's recorded before...
Has anyone heard the new Michael White album? I think it's
all duos with Bill. Also, I know that when I pick up the
Painkiller box on 2-24, I'm also getting the new Marc
Johnson, advertised in the latest Downbeat, with Frisell
and Metheny (Peter Erskine is probably the drummer, but I
don't remember for sure).
I reccomend the Frisell video very highly to all fans, not
just guitarists. The actual amount of guitar instruction
is pretty small-most of the time he talks about arranging,
rhythm, composing, just general stuff that I think most
non-musicians who are fans will enjoy. It's a great
portrait of his style.
Watching it, I was struck that Frisell's technique is a
lot like Derek Bailey's in the way he mixes open strings,
fretted notes, and harmonics, not to mention volume
swells. Of course, their harmonic palettes are extremely
different, Bill's coming out of Monk and Bill Evans and
Derek's coming from Webern, Cecil, etc...
--
Jeff Schwartz (not Bill Frisell's publicist)
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:21:22 -0600



----------
>> Has anyone heard the new Michael White album? I think it's
> all duos with Bill.

Haven't heard it but it has recieved some good word of mouth.. In fact,
Tower is having their clearance sale commencing tomorrow.............


glenn

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News!  [longidh])
Date: 08 Jan 1998 19:41:05 -0500

Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:

> I'd like to express an interest in Evan Lurie mentioned
> under Tzadik film music. What's the guy up to?
> I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
> I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
> was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
> of some kind.

I was about to say that he's busy with the Lounge Lizards, but then I noticed
that what you asked was "how Evan was making a living"... ;-)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: looking for Gershon Kingsley album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 19:42:52 -0500 (EST)


Gershon Kingley would like to rerelease two of his albums on CD, but
the master tapes are lost. Does anyone own a mint or excellent-condition
copy of

Gershon Kingsley "Music To Moog By"
or
Gershon Kingsley "First Moog Quartet"

?



thanks!

David Newgarden
home 212-431-4614
work 212-246-1200
[e-mail]




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: top ten?
Date: 08 Jan 1998 20:40:24 -0500

It's hard for me to compile a Top Ten list while avoiding everything I
had a hand in preparing or professionally hyping, but by eliminating
those (which obviously has a large impact on my choices, so they're
listed at the end) my list comes out like this:

Top Ten:

MATT SHIPP / JOE MORRIS: THESIS (HATOLOGY)
ANTHONY BRAXTON: QUARTET (SANTA CRUZ) 1993 (HAT ART)
MARTY EHRLICH & BEN GOLDBERG: LIGHT AT THE CROSSROADS (SONGLINES)
JOHN ZORN: DURAS-DUCHAMP (TZADIK)
MU-ZIQ: LUNATIC HARNESS (ASTRALWERKS)
SQUAREPUSHER: HARD NORMAL DADDY (WARP)
SQUAREPUSHER: BIG LOADA (WARP)
DEREK BAILEY/TONY OXLEY: SOHO SUITES (INCUS)
ROBERT FRIPP: NOVEMBER SUITE (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
MICHAEL BLAKE: KINGDOM OF CHAMPA (INTUITION)

Honorable Mention:

BIG SATAN: I THINK THEY LIKED IT, HONEY (WINTER & WINTER)
BRAD SHEPIK AND THE COMMUTERS: THE LOAN (SONGLINES)
URI CAINE: URLICHT (WINTER & WINTER)
ANDY LASTER: IMPRESSIONS OF LESSNESS (SONGLINES)
WAYNE HORVITZ: MONOLOGUE (CAVITY SEARCH)
MAMORU FUJIEDA: PATTERNS OF PLANTS (TZADIK)
DAVID SLUSSER: DELIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL (TZADIK)
DEBRIS: ERRATA (EIGHTH DAY MUSIC)
DAVE DOUGLAS: STARGAZER (ARABESQUE)
VARIOUS: GREAT JEWISH MUSIC - BURT BACHARACH (TZADIK)

Reissues:

STANLEY BROTHERS: EARLIEST RECORDINGS (REVENANT)
DEREK BAILEY: AIDA (DEXTER'S CIGAR)
JOHN COLTRANE: COMPLETE VILLAGE VANGUARD (IMPULSE!)
KING CRIMSON: THE NIGHT WATCH (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
KING CRIMSON: EPITAPH (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
GARY BURTON: A GENUINE TONG FUNERAL (ONE WAY)
HENRY KAISER: OUTSIDE ALOHA PLEASURE (DEXTER'S CIGAR)
MILES DAVIS: 5 ELECTRIC SETS (COLUMBIA LEGACY)
STEVE LACY: DREAMS - SCRATCHIN' THE SEVENTIES (SARAVAH)

Things I might have voted for if I wasn't involved with them somehow:

TIM BERNE: DISCRETION, VISITATION RITES, SATURATION POINT (SCREWGUN)
CECIL TAYLOR: NEFERTITI, THE BEAUTIFUL ONE HAS COME (REVENANT)
JOEL HARRISON OCTET: RANGE OF MOTION (KOCH JAZZ)
ELLERY ESKELIN: ONE GREAT DAY (HATOLOGY)
CHRIS SPEED: YEAH, NO (SONGLINES)
DAVE DOUGLAS: SANCTUARY (AVANT)
BOBBY PREVITE: MY MAN IN SYDNEY (ENJA)
PREVITE/ZORN: EUCLID'S NIGHTMARE (DEPTH OF FIELD)
MARIO PAVONE: DANCER'S TALES (KNITTING FACTORY)

Things that probably would have charted had I heard them:

VARIOUS: HARRY SMITH ANTHOLOGY (SMITHSONIAN FOLKWAYS)
JOHN ZORN: PARACHUTE BOX (TZADIK)

Okay, so I cheated on the Top Ten qualification...

Steve Smith
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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 08 Jan 1998 20:50:18 -0500 (EST)



On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:

> cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
> releases of his music listed.

Of which vol. 2 is probably the one to go for.  It contains unaltered
excerpts and a few complete Stalling scores, sometimes with sound effects,
sometimes without.  Vol. 1 is mostly "suites" edited together by Willner.
It's quite listenable, but it often loses the filmic logic of the original
scores.

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 20:51:34 -0500

Jeff Schwartz wrote:

> It's also always interesting to hear him revisit
> compositions he's recorded before...

My favorite track is the remake of "Lookout for Hope."  I heard him play
that new arrangement with Krauss and Jerry Douglas rather than Keltner
in Brooklyn a few months ago and it was very fine indeed.

> Has anyone heard the new Michael White album? I think it's
> all duos with Bill.

It's very nice and pretty.  In a similar vein, Bill's next project for
Nonesuch will be an album of duets with Fred Hersch, very much in the
Bill Evans / Jim Hall spirit.

> I'm also getting the new Marc
> Johnson, advertised in the latest Downbeat, with Frisell
> and Metheny (Peter Erskine is probably the drummer, but I
> don't remember for sure).

Joey Baron.  It's Marc's return to Bass Desires but with half the band
replaced.

> [snip] I was struck that Frisell's technique is a
> lot like Derek Bailey's in the way he mixes open strings,
> fretted notes, and harmonics, not to mention volume
> swells. Of course, their harmonic palettes are extremely
> different, Bill's coming out of Monk and Bill Evans and
> Derek's coming from Webern, Cecil, etc...

Excellent observation.

Steve Smith
(not Bill Frisell's publicist but married to her...)
[e-mail]


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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas
Date: 08 Jan 1998 21:10:44 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:

> >>>>> "Remi" == =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette <[e-mail]> writes:
>     Remi> On another note, are there any Diamanda Galas fans on this
>     Remi> list?  I'm curious to find out which of her releases
>     Remi> features her best vocal work and music.
> I started listening to Diamanda after hearing a live performance on
> our local classical station of New Music America 1980, where she
(cut)

...'Vena Cava' wasn't mentioned in this list, so i'll mention it: it's a
work she did inspired by her brother's writings which he did whilst in the
throes of AIDS dementia.  I think it's a lot more subtle and mature than
earlier stuff, with an extremely...er...extreme dynamic range going from
soft whispers to piercing shrieks.  Very softly in the background are
recordings of crickets, her brother playing accordion, and other things.
The performance used two mics, each going through seperate effects, and so
does the recording, with the result that her use of effects is much
craftier than before.

ShreiX is the newest.  It's very messy (in a good way).  Lots of nasty
distortions and high frequency irritation for your listening pleasure.
Includes possibly the only Galas track which could be described as
'silly'.

But then again, i also really like 'the singer', so....

-jascha


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 08 Jan 1998 21:18:09 -0500

Jamie F Graves wrote:

> Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
> know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
> anything particularly daring about this album.

I think it's very nice as well.  However I will go so far as to state that I
don't find anything on it (or "Nashville") as compelling as I found
practically every Frisell release during the Joey Years.  I was struck by
this quite hard the other day while listening to a live tape of the trio
with Don Byron... there was a harder edge to the guitar and more angularity
and quirkiness in the writing back then, and I miss that quite a lot.  But
inevitably most musicians mature and change over time -- even Derek Bailey
and Cecil Taylor have mellowed somewhat! -- and what Bill seems to be
seeking these days is something more simple and plainspoken, without all the
gizmos (though he still used the effects a great deal with the
rhythm-sectionless quartet, a group that could still be mighty edgy and
compelling live).

To really stretch the point, it could almost be construed as "daring" for
Frisell to fly in the face of his hard core adherents to make this new
homespun music.  And it's not calculated to appease the masses at the
expense of pissing off we Zornlisters... it's just what he wants to do now.
I think the break is really going to be visible in New York on the 17th,
when Bill plays the Bottom Line with Krauss and Keltner while his former
fellow travellers Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Sharp are raising a ruckus at
the Knit.  I wonder what impact this booking coincidence will have on the
potential audience for each?  For those who are into both sides of the
split, BTW, it'll be easy enough to catch the Quartet at the Knit and then
attend the late set by Frisell (rest easy there, Jody!).

> I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
> to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
> has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
> hear what other people think of this album.

I don't see that Frisell's new direction is that much more marketable.  I
don't think there's going to be a groundswell of support at Triple-A
stations for the album, but on the contrary the frothing avant-jazz bohos at
college radio are less likely to pick it up (like "Nashville").  But
Frisell's sales are increasing to a great extent, that's for sure.  Nonesuch
has done a great job of promoting Frisell's work over the years, so there
are now many fans in the media who are eager to report his doings.  That
makes my wife's job a lot easier, since she's recently become the Nonesuch
PR flack (gad, two in one household?!?) who set up that KCRW performance
among other things.

Steve Smith
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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Diamanda Galas]
Date: 08 Jan 1998 22:04:47 -0800

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ia zha nah er vesen wrote:

> But then again, i also really like 'the singer', so....
>
'The Singer' is not a big favorite of mine, but another is that I don't
think I've seen cited yet: 'You Must Be Certain of the Devil'. It
contains the single most harrowing, honest, non-sanctimonious,
reality-based evocation of AIDS that I've ever heard: 'Let's Not Chat
About Despair'.

And I'll toss in another vote for her earlier 'Litanies of Satan'. That
was the first I heard her and it scared the hell out of me (and, still,
sends my wife running for cover!). "And I'm not talkin' about meatballs,
I'm talkin' about steak!" Ouch!

Her 'Plague Mass' at St. John the Divine a few years back was mightily
impressive. Something satisfying about hearing the phrase, "Give me
sodomy, or give me death!" proclaimed in a church...

Brian Olewnick


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From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: 10 records from 1997
Date: 08 Jan 1998 23:04:28 EST

ok, here goes.

BILL DIXON    Vade Mecum II (Soul Note) My album of the year.
EVAN PARKER Most Materiall (w/ Eddie Prevost) (Matchless)
RYOJI IKEDA +/- (Touch)
EDITH FROST Calling Over Time (Drag City)
LES SCULPTEURS DE VINYL Memory and Money (Stupeur & Trompette!)
PORTISHEAD Portishead (Go! Beat/London)
TO ROCOCO ROT Veiculo (City Slang)
KEVIN DRUMM Kevin Drumm (Perdition Plastics)
CRISTOPHE    CHARLES-Undirected (1986-1996) (Mille Plateaux)
WABI SABI-Wabi Sabi (A-Musik)

That's my list as of today, anyway.

Jon

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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 10 records from 1997
Date: 08 Jan 1998 21:15:01 -0800



>BILL DIXON Vade Mecum II (Soul Note) My album of the year.
>
>Jon


How does this compare to VADE MECUM I? Same instrumentation and sound? The
first was one of my favorites that year. Still satisfies.

s~Z


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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 10 records from 1997
Date: 09 Jan 1998 00:30:42 -0500

Wow, I was just trying to get together a top 10 and I
realized that, although I bought a ton of music in 1997,
hardly any of it was new. Anyway, I kept it down to 1
reissue & 1 archival unit...

Charlie Haden/Pat Metheny-Beyond the Missouri Sky
Nels Cline/Thurston Moore-Pillow Wand
Henry Threadgill & Make a Move-Where's Your Cup?
David Murray-Fo Deuk Review
Ron Miles-Woman's Day
Bill Laswell meets Style Scott inna Dub Meltdown
Arcana-Arc of the Testimony
Bloodcount-Unwound
Wayne Horvitz-Monologue

Jimi Hendrix-First Rays of the New Rising Sun

Berio/Boulez/Stockhausen-Les Classiques du XXe siecle
--
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: 10 records from 1997
Date: 09 Jan 1998 01:06:37 EST


In a message dated 1/9/98 12:27:23 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<How does this compare to VADE MECUM I? Same instrumentation and sound? The
first was one of my favorites that year. Still satisfies.>>

Same sessions (August 2-4, 1993). Same musicians (Bill Dixon, Barry Guy,
William Parker, Tony Oxley). These songs were recorded later in those sessions
than the ones on Vade Mecum and the musicians sound just a smidge more
comfortable working together. I think this one's better than the first, and
that's a pretty high bar to vault.

Jon

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From: [e-mail] (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Stalling Book
Date: 09 Jan 1998 02:08:41 EST

A while back, in the Warner Bros. merchandise catalog, there was a
listing for a book of the scores that Carl Stalling did, piano
reductions......(I saw it in the catalog at least  8 years ago....maybe
10)

i heard they stopped printing them.....is this true??

anyone know anything about this book??

thanks

Geoff Gersh


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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:29:03 +0100 (MEZ)

except for the stalling project stuff there is a CD called BUGS BUNNY ON
BROADWAY which has alot of stalling`s stuff on it....
it is on Warner...dont know if that one is still in print

BJOERN

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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Jim Keltner
Date: 09 Jan 1998 03:01:08 -0500 (EST)


"He has the earthiest groove. But beyond that...what blew me away about
Jim's playing on my records was how unpredictable it was. He never plays
safe - the total opposite of whatever your preconception of what an L.A.
session cat might be. Really, Jim's one of the most avant-garde musicians
I've ever played with."
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner
Date: 09 Jan 1998 03:30:58 -0500

Bill Frisell stated (and David reported):

> "He has the earthiest groove. But beyond that...what blew me away about
> Jim's playing on my records was how unpredictable it was. He never plays
> safe - the total opposite of whatever your preconception of what an L.A.
> session cat might be. Really, Jim's one of the most avant-garde musicians
> I've ever played with."

This opinion is easily demonstrated in Keltner's playing with Ry Cooder and
Jon Hassell on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's "Trespass" (though I
understand that we're not supposed to listen to that since it's not the
soundtrack by Our Patron Saint...).  ;-)

Do remember that in all seriousness the British music mag The Wire, the
hardest of the hardcore in most cases, compared the aesthetic of Cooder's
"Trespass" to nothing less than AMM (a collective featuring one hell of an
"avant-garde musician" on percussion...).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Death Praxis Plus
Date: 09 Jan 1998 09:52:26 +0100



Tzadik will release an album called "Death Praxis Plus" in April, in
the new Japan series.
Is this related to the album "Death Praxis" by Ikue Mori/Tenko ?

YVes

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 09 Jan 1998 09:57:07 +0100


I think Zorn quotes some of Carl Stallings Music in the piece
"For your Eyes Only" on the new Angelus Novus - CD.

YVes

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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: top "baker's dozen" for 1997
Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:40:42 -0500

Masada Chamber Orchestra - "Bar Kokhba" (a '96 release but hey...)
Sam Phillips - "Omni Pop" (Ribot does great work here)
Marianne Faithful - "20th Century Blues" (never tire of Kurt Weil...)
Holly Cole Trio - "It happened One Night"
Don Byron - "Bug Music" (his Boston area show was awesome)
Kenny Wheeler & co... "Angel Song" (beautiful !)
Wayne Horovitz "Monologue" (both strange and accessible...droning
dance music...Wayne playing with a synth...its great)
Pizzzicato Five "Happy end of the World" (Real Boss Dance Tunes -
SWANK!)
Portisehead "Portisehead" (Real Boss Dirge Like Dance Tunes)
v/a : "Pillow Book" (sndtrk) - another Greenaway flick, best of the year,
and what a collection of music.  Any other big Guesch Patti fans on the
list?
Michael Nyman "Gattaca" "Concerttos" & "Enemy Zero" (the man does
little wrong...a 3 way tie)
Gavin Bryars - "A Man in a Room, Gambling"
v/a "Great Jewish Music : Serge Gainsbourg"

no particular order but all in heavy cd player rotation still...

Bob

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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Lurie (?)
Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:58:00 -0500

re : I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
of some kind. What film music of his is the Tzadik release going to
feature?
Stephane
&
I was about to say that he's busy with the Lounge Lizards, but then I
noticed that what you asked was "how Evan was making a living"... ;-)
Steve Smith
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Cheers for new Evan Lurie music.  Although I am still trying to get ahold
of "Happy? Here  Now?"  (Crepuscule Records) "Il Mostro" (?) and
"Pieces For Bandoneon" (Les Disques De...) the one domestic release
"Selling Water by the Shore" is a favorite.

As far as I know Evan hasn't been on a Lounge Lizards recording for
some time.  I do enjoy all John Lurie / Lounge Lizards recordings very
much and had fun watching the man himself screen silly but fun "Fishing
with John" tv episodes at the Harvard Film Archives last year (the two I
saw had Tom Waits and Willem Dafoe as guests...)

Maybe Tzadik will reissue some of Evan's older recordings?  One can
hope.

-=Bob=-


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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: frisell
Date: 09 Jan 1998 09:17:53 -0500

I can't imagine that Bill is thinking in the direction of "more
commercial" with his new release.  As anyone who has been listening
knows, he's been heading this way since "This Land."  His sound has
become somewhat softer, while song composition seems to be coming to the
front.  In simple terms, less "jazzy."  But no less likeable, to these
ears.  I recall John McLaughlin going from Mahavishnu style playing to
Shakti, and the controversy that aroused.  But John's still hanging in
there, interesting as always.  Same for Bill.  For anyone who wants to
be challenged along guitar lines, pick up a Joe Morris cd, like
"Elsewhere" with the Matthew Shipp trio.  Or "You Be Me" with Mat
Maneri.

Alan


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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie (?)
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:03:17 +0100

OK,

so that makes 4 solo records at least?

Here? Happy? Now?
Pieces for Bandoneon (the 2 I alluded to)

and two I have no clue about

Il Mostro      and
Selling Water by the Shore

anybody can provide more info on these last two - or any other
non-Lounge Lizards records with Evan Lurie?

Stephane

At 08:58 09.01.98 -0500, Bob Kowalski wrote:
>>re : I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
>>I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
>>was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
>>of some kind. What film music of his is the Tzadik release going to
>>feature?
>>Stephane

>Cheers for new Evan Lurie music.  Although I am still trying to get ahold
>of "Happy? Here  Now?"  (Crepuscule Records) "Il Mostro" (?) and
>"Pieces For Bandoneon" (Les Disques De...) the one domestic release
>"Selling Water by the Shore" is a favorite.
>
>As far as I know Evan hasn't been on a Lounge Lizards recording for
>some time.  I do enjoy all John Lurie / Lounge Lizards recordings very
>much and had fun watching the man himself screen silly but fun "Fishing
>with John" tv episodes at the Harvard Film Archives last year (the two I
>saw had Tom Waits and Willem Dafoe as guests...)
>
>Maybe Tzadik will reissue some of Evan's older recordings?  One can
>hope.
>
>Bob

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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 09 Jan 1998 06:58:22 -0800

>I can't imagine that Bill is thinking in the direction of "more
>commercial" with his new release.  As anyone who has been listening
>knows, he's been heading this way since "This Land."  His sound has
>become somewhat softer, while song composition seems to be coming to the
>front.  In simple terms, less "jazzy."  But no less likeable, to these
>ears.  I recall John McLaughlin going from Mahavishnu style playing to
>Shakti, and the controversy that aroused.  But John's still hanging in
>there, interesting as always.  Same for Bill.  For anyone who wants to
>be challenged along guitar lines, pick up a Joe Morris cd, like
>"Elsewhere" with the Matthew Shipp trio.  Or "You Be Me" with Mat
>Maneri.
>
>Alan


I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as
they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these
musicians. For me, it's a matter of personal taste. Of what moves me as a
listener. What these artists have done and continue to do is stellar. When I
saw Frisell in Santa Monica with Baron, et al, a few too many years back, I
hung on every note and was in a state of perpetual gooseflesh. One of the
best shows ever. When I listen to his more recent stuff, I find myself
daydreaming. But, I figure the stuff is nonetheless of high quality, and
will be deeply moving to other ears. So, I'll leave Frisell and McLaughlin
to other ears and follow Alan to Joe Morris who captivates me intensely.
But, it is off-base to think my gooseflesh barometer a measure of the
artist's worth, value or integrity.

s~Z


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From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 09 Jan 1998 10:19:19 -0500

>>Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
>>know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
>>anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
>>Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work. I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
>>to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
>>has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
>>hear what other people think of this album.
>>
>>Jamie
>
>I'm listening to him live on KCRW right now. As much as I love Frisell's
>sound, I'm sure glad I didn't buy tickets for the McCabes show. I waited
>until I could hear this music. It is very pretty. I would be bored by it.
>Others will love it. Jim Keltner is no Jim Black!
>
>s~Z
>

Yeah, and Jim Black's no Jim Keltner either! (I'm confident that they would
both agree with both of our statements.)
I didn't hear what these guys were playing on the radio, but "very pretty"
is a poor and inaccurate description of this CD. Some of this has an
acoustic country blues flavor not unlike some of Ry Cooder's work; some of
it is quite electric and electrifying. All of it features extraordinary
guitar artistry and one hell of a rhythm section. It's hard to imagine
anyone who has enjoyed THIS LAND, HAVE A LITTLE FAITH, WHERE IN THE WORLD?,
LOOKOUT FOR HOPE, or NASHVILLE finding this record to be a big surprise -
rather, it's a logical continuation of Frisell's musical explorations. But
it would never have occurred to me to describe it as "pretty." Now, if you
were expected a Naked City performance. . .
But as for the apparent slight aimed at Keltner, I think Mr. Frisell's
quote posted elsewhere is more eloquent than anything I could say. Just
listen. . . with your ears.

Ashley



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From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
Date: 09 Jan 1998 10:33:24 -0500

>On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
>
>> Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
>> light hearted discs of the year listings?

OK, why not? I ususally don't bother with this anymore, but I've enjoyed
others lists so I'll throw one together too. I haven't had time to survey
my collection for all possible contenders, but here's eleven in no
particular order that would definitely end up on a comprehensive list:
        Bjork - Homogenic (forgot the label)
        Henry Threadgill - Where's Your Cup? (Columbia)
        Guy Klucevsek - Bantam Orchestra (on Tzadik; don't remember the
name of the disc - hope I spelled Guy's name correctly)
        Julie Miller - Blue Pony (High Tone)
        Cyro Baptista - Vira Loucos (Avant)
        Cornershop - When I Was Born For the 7th Time
        Dave Douglas - Five (Soul Note)
        Steve Lacy - Bye-Ya
        Evan Parker - Electro-Acoustic Project (ECM)
        R. B. Morris - Take That Ride (Oh Boy!)
        Masada - Het (DIW)

All reissues excluded. Subject to numerous additions without warning.

Here's to a great '98!

Ashley



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From: WINRECORDS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell
Date: 09 Jan 1998 10:42:59 EST


[e-mail] wrote:

<<Personally, i'd like to hear a new Power Tools album>>

I am so with you on that. This is one of my favorite records ever. One that
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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Lurie
Date: 09 Jan 1998 11:00:58 -0500

"Selling Water by the Shore" can be had (here in the US) at any finer
record shop, most likely at bargain bin pricing (I've seen it for 7.99 at
Tower & HMV.)  Its got Marc Ribot and a line up in top form.  Vintage
Lounge Lizard sounds meet mellow songs for sipping red wine in a dark
romantic Italian restaurant.

-=Bob=-

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: top "baker's dozen" for 1997
Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:41:48 -0800


On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:40:42 -0500  Bob Kowalski wrote:
>
> Masada Chamber Orchestra - "Bar Kokhba" (a '96 release but hey...)
> Sam Phillips - "Omni Pop" (Ribot does great work here)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I also loved that one. Not one bad song and all slightly twisted.

> Marianne Faithful - "20th Century Blues" (never tire of Kurt Weil...)
> Holly Cole Trio - "It happened One Night"
> Don Byron - "Bug Music" (his Boston area show was awesome)
> Kenny Wheeler & co... "Angel Song" (beautiful !)
> Wayne Horovitz "Monologue" (both strange and accessible...droning
> dance music...Wayne playing with a synth...its great)
> Pizzzicato Five "Happy end of the World" (Real Boss Dance Tunes -
> SWANK!)
> Portisehead "Portisehead" (Real Boss Dirge Like Dance Tunes)
> v/a : "Pillow Book" (sndtrk) - another Greenaway flick, best of the year,
> and what a collection of music.  Any other big Guesch Patti fans on the
> list?

Yes, me!!! ETIENNE might have been the hottest single ever produced in France
in the '80s (for what it means...).

    Patrice.

> Michael Nyman "Gattaca" "Concerttos" & "Enemy Zero" (the man does
> little wrong...a 3 way tie)
> Gavin Bryars - "A Man in a Room, Gambling"
> v/a "Great Jewish Music : Serge Gainsbourg"
>
> no particular order but all in heavy cd player rotation still...
>
> Bob
>
> -
>


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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Power Tools?/Eric Nisenson's New Book
Date: 09 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500

I don't know if I can get with y'all on this one.
Although the first one is one of my all-time favorites,
I'm more worried by the directions Jackson & Gibbs have
taken recently than with Frisell's.
"Shannon's House" is probably the worst album RSJ has
made, certainly the most commericial. Those keyboards have
got to go!
What's Melvin Gibbs been doing besides the Rollins Band
and Arto's trio?
Anyone else read Eric Nisenson's new book Blue: The Murder
of Jazz? He makes a solid case that the Marsalis/Crouch
cabal has severely fucked up the music (not that that's
such a hard thing to do), but gets hung up on proving that
they're also irrationally anti-white. The part that's most
relevant to this list, though, is his avoidance of the
musicians we talk about here. For example, at one point
he's talking about Larry Young (and I'm listening to the
Mosaic Larry Young set right now-those things are a total
addiction, now I've gotta get the Andrew Hill... Don't say
I didn't warn you!) and he asks "where are the heirs of
Larry Young?" pointing to Joey DeFrancesco as a "young
gun" who picked up the Jimmy Smith trail. Now I'm sure
y'all see where this story's going-I immediately thought
"Wayne Horvitz, Anthony Coleman, and John Medeski!" but
Nisenson doesn't mention any of them. His only references
to the Losaida/Knit/whateveryawannacallit scene(s) are a
couple of offhand mentions of Zorn & Frith as
"postmodernists." Now, I'm not saying that our scene
heroes & heroines are the future of jazz and that Nisenson
would enjoy listening to more than about 10% of the stuff
we talk about here (he apparently has serious reservations
about free jazz & electric music), but something is going
on which he oughta check out. In particular, a chapter on
projects like the Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet, News for
Lulu, Myth/Science, and Ellery Eskelin's The Sun Died
would have provided an interesting contrast and given him
some time to unpack exactly what he means by "postmodern"
(since if you're like me, you spent a year or so reading a
lot of books by French philosophers, Marxist lit crits,
and various art historianns to try to get a grip on the
concept only to realize that most folks just toss the word
around without paying their critical theoretical dues and
can I just tell you how annoyed I am that there's a film
out called "Deconstructing Harry"? I didn't think so...).
     Anyway, Nisenson is a fascinating cat. His Coltrane &
Miles books are great and this new one is a lot of fun
because it's more spontaneous/pissed off. I'm totally
curious to hear what y'all have to say about it...
--
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie (?)
Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:54:26 -0800


On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:03:17 +0100  Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> so that makes 4 solo records at least?
>
> Here? Happy? Now?
> Pieces for Bandoneon (the 2 I alluded to)
>
> and two I have no clue about
>
> Il Mostro      and
> Selling Water by the Shore

And what about:


029 - IL PICCOLO DIAVOLO: Evan Lurie

    ???? - Cinevox, ??? (??)


and there is also the enigmatic (at least for me):


030 - EVAN LURIE AND YOSHITADA MINAMI

    ???? - Sony, ??? (??)


It goes without saying (but I will say it anyway) that any extra info on these
two records are more than welcome.

    Patrice.


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From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ellington
Date: 09 Jan 1998 19:04:53 -0000

Zorn List Digest 9/01/98 1:51
>From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Ellington
>
>I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing style floor me.
>I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East Suites, Money Jungle, and Live at
>the Whitney. I want to get more, he has so much material out there I want
>to be sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am asking =
the
>folks for this list for some suggestions. I really like his smaller combo
>stuff, he plays out more.
>So suggest away!

You should listen to his recordings from the 30s. But the top of the =
top are the recordings from 1939 to 1941, called the "Jimmy Blanton =
period", Blanton was a bass player, he died in 1942 but when he was =
in the band, all the great guys were in too : Cootie Williams, Rex =
Stewart, Tricky Sam Nanton, Barney Bigard, Johnny Hodges, Ben =
Webster, Harry Carney...

I must admit I love listening to folks like Derek, Broetzmann or =
Sainkho Namtchylak, but I couldn't stop listening to Duke ! He was =
one of the greats of the century, ever !



G=E9rard Rouy
17 rue Bernard Palissy
F - 59290 WASQUEHAL

Tel : [phone]
Fax : [phone]
eMail : [e-mail]



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From: "Philippe Surber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frith site
Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:15:26 +0100

you may interested in this info: Fred Frith is under www.fredfrith.com.
philippe


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From: Tag Yr It <[e-mail]>
Subject: Favorites of '97
Date: 09 Jan 1998 15:13:34 EST

Greetings,

Since this seems to be a popular topic lately, hereÆs a quick overview of my
favorites from 1997.....which may be more indicative of my personal tastes
than any actual measurement of quality. In no particular order:

Wayne Horvitz - Monologue: IÆve always had a weakness for music written for
dance, especially contemporary material, and I canÆt think of too many people
more qualified or oriented to it than Horvitz.

Bill Frisell - Nashville: I seem to have liked this a lot more than most
people. I found it quite sublime. Very introspective and inviting, without
blatant flash - in a good way.

Various - Great Jewish Music - Burt Bacharach: I could justify this for myself
if only for the Lloyd Cole track....but the majority of this is most rewarding
and refreshing, if you take each piece on its own terms and in light of who
the performers are. It also led me to find out how much I canÆt stand Modeski
Martin and Wood.

John Zorn - Duras: Duchamp: More than anyone I know of lately, an artist you
have to take by his own standards and interests. And this is by far one of the
most approachable ones.

Primal Scream - A: Vanishing Point and B: Echo Dek: A really accomplished
integration of garage rock, psych, dub, British roots rock, and extreme studio
processing (and/or substance abuse), almost beyond description (Vanishing
Point); and then, (Echo Dek) a really interesting dub version of nearly the
whole album.

Negativland - Dispepsi: IÆm old enough to remember the Firesign Theatre, and
at their best (like here) this is very reminiscent. Extreme, intelligent
social satire. Lots of laughs and very thought-provoking (and libelous) at the
same time.

King Crimson - The Night Watch: Finally, a complete live set from one of the
best incarnations ever.

Various - Random: A Tribute to Gary Numan: Unbelievably wonderful. Ranging
from completely goofy to deadly serious, and thoroughly showing how much power
and talent these songs always had lurking in them.

Julian Cope - Interpreter: Technically late æ96, but the US release was in
æ97. I couldnÆt ask for anything more from a smart, successful aging hippie.
The work ôquirkyö was invented for albums like this.

Recoil - Unsound Methods: A late-in-the-year pleasant surprise. Recoil is Alan
Wilder of Depeche Mode, solo with a few guests. Really dark and disturbed,
this has more in common with late Golden Palominos and Material than anything
electro-pop.

Wow....completely by accident that was exactly 10 (if you count the 2 Primal
Scream discs together).

Other honorable mentions:
David Bowie - Earthling
The CRI Harry Partch reissue series
The Complete Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard
Dave Douglas - Stargazer and Sanctuary
David Byrne - Feelings
Ornette Coleman/Joachim Kuhn - Live From Leipzig
Miles Davis - all the electric æ70Æs reissues
Velvet Underground - Loaded - Fully Loaded version
JaneÆs Addiction - Kettle Whistle
Gary Numan - Exile

Major disappointments:
Boneshakers - Book of Spells: a sad (hopefully last) gasp from remnants of Was
(Not Was)
Orquestra Was - ForeverÆs A Long, Long Time: DidnÆt sound like it should work
on paper...and the speakers agreed
U2 - Pop: they finally got to the ôWe can do anythingö point....and they did.

Well, thatÆs my two cents....any comments are greatly appreciated....

Happy New Year all,

Dale.


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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: dead musicians in 97
Date: 09 Jan 1998 22:11:50 +0100 (MEZ)

maybe some of you can help me out...please mail to me privately about
musicians you know about that died in 97...
i was asked to take part in a radio show on monday about the dead
musicians of 97..
please name the most important records these guys play on

BJOERN
ps: these guys can be from all styles of music



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Loft Sessions
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:38:47 -0600

Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player.  7
nights of various artists performing at Sam Rivers' old Studio Rivbea loft
in NYC....Remember that scene ? Anyway, is anyone familar with a
saxophonist named Kalaparusha ? He performs 1 cut with Jumma Santos on
drums and Chris White bass... Also, Stanley Crouch plays the drums backing
David Murray on 1 cut.....Didn't know old Stan could play ?

glenn

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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:49:01 -0600



----------
> > snip> >>
>
So, I'll leave Frisell and McLaughlin
> to other ears and follow Alan to Joe Morris who captivates me intensely.
> But, it is off-base to think my gooseflesh barometer a measure of the
> artist's worth, value or integrity.
>
> s~Z
>
>
> -
> Morris is worth checking out...*.Matthew Shipp and Morris create lots of
synergy !  Speaking of dazzling guitarists i recommend James Emery's latest
on Enja which features Gerry Hemmingway, Mike Formanek and Marty
Ehrlich..... Sorry, i don't have the title in front of me...

glenn

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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Loft Sessions
Date: 09 Jan 1998 18:31:29 -0800

Glenn Astarita wrote:
>
> Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player.  7
> nights of various artists performing at Sam Rivers' old Studio Rivbea loft
> in NYC....Remember that scene ? Anyway, is anyone familar with a
> saxophonist named Kalaparusha ? He performs 1 cut with Jumma Santos on
> drums and Chris White bass... Also, Stanley Crouch plays the drums backing
> David Murray on 1 cut.....Didn't know old Stan could play ?
>
> glenn
>
> -
Kalapaursha was otherwise known as Maurice McIntyre, an AACM mainstay
since at least 1966. Recorded a record or two for Delmark. At his best a
good post-Coltrane tenor player. I caught him several times during the
period you'r referring to and was never overwhelmed...but never
underwhelmed either. He does seem to be held in special reverence by
other musicians from the AACM, so perhaps I've just missed out on his
better work.

Crouch came to NYC from California with Murray around 1975 and played
with him quite a bit. He was quite a decent drummer; I remembered him
being very concerned with the varying tones one could get at different
locations on the drum head (not so revolutionary these days, but there
weren't THAT many drummers dealing with it back then). Crouch also ran
one of THE top places to hear new music from around 1976-78, the Tin
Palace, located on the Bowery. Everyone played there; I recall seeing
Murray, Threadgill (on his own and with Air), the Revolutionary Ensemble
and, especially, my all-time favorite (though it might have been the
only time they played as a group) Braxton line-up: AB, George Lewis,
Muhal, Fred Hopkins and Steve McCall. Unbelieveable.

As much as I disagree with a lot of Crouch's pontificating these days, I
still cut him a lot more slack than most for both having run the Tin
Palace and for writing some of the best jazz criticism I've ever read
back in the early 80's for the Voice. Also check out the liners for the
Jenkins/Rashied Ali duo, 'Swift Are the Winds of Life'. Nice Stuff.

Brian Olewnick

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From: SK3 Christopher A Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:51:09 -0800

Is there any hope that Naked City will be getting back together?


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From: David Slusser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ellington
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:38:30 -0800

Jason Tors <<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing style floor
me.

>I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East Suites, Money Jungle, and Live
at

>the Whitney. I want to get more, he has so much material out there I
want

>to be sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am
asking the

>folks for this list for some suggestions. I really like his smaller
combo

>stuff, he plays out more.

>So suggest away!


I buy everything (books, too) I can find, and have yet to be
disappointed, but

then I'm a rabid fan like some zorn-listers are about Zorn.  Shopping
for

cut-outs has been rewarding; even albums that look to be full of
familiar

material have different solos/soloists or twists in the arrangements.
The

material Jason cited is mid-60's, so he may want to concentrate on that
era

and branch out from there.


<underline>Afro-Bossa</underline> (Reprise/Discovery) - if you like the
Far East Suite (mid-60s)

<underline>Studio Sessions vol 1 - 10</underline> (Saja or LMR) -
Ellington habitually went into the

studio to work out ideas whether he had a record contract or not.
Budget

priced and all well recorded, includes live (& spirited) dance dates on
a few.

<underline>New Orleans Suite</underline> (Atlantic) - I stayed away
from his very last stuff (I had

seen them at the time and feared it'd be feeble) but this is incredibly
strong

and inventive, and I think the very last studio album.

<underline>Duke Ellington with Coleman Hawkins</underline> (Impulse) -
small group blowing, great feel

<underline>A Drum Is A Woman</underline> (Columbia)- mid 50s high
concept with tongue in cheek

<underline>Suite Thursday</underline> (Fantasy) - Duke & Strayhorn
portray the world of Steinbeck

<underline>More Greatest Hits</underline> (RCA) - not the obvious
stuff, a real surprise (& cheap too)

<underline>Masterpieces by Ellington</underline> (Columbia) - early 50s
extended arrangements of his

well known work

<underline>Such Sweet Thunder</underline> (CBS) - Duke & Strays do
Shakespeare, extending forms

<underline>And His Mother Called Him Bill</underline> - band's memorial
to Strayhorn, very strong

<underline>Recollections of the Big Band Era</underline> (Atlantic)
unique covers, the Kenton "Artistry

in Rhythm" and Gershwin's "Rhapsody In Blue" are tres cool.

<underline>Happy-Go-Lucky-Local</underline> (Musicraft) mid to late 40s
branching out

<underline>In the Uncommon Market</underline> (Pablo) - 60s band in
excellent form, live


There are several recordings of <underline>Harlem</underline> (Tone
Parallel to Harlem) and <underline>The Tatooed

Bride</underline> that represent his striking modernism of the early
50s.  When Johhny Hodges returned to the band in the mid-50s and Sam
Woodyard joined on drums,

the band took off and never looked back.  Unfortunatley not a lot of
small

combo stuff from the modern era- there's a duo with Ray Brown on Pablo,
and

an early 50's solo/trio on Capitol.  There are some on the "Studio
Sessions"

mentioned above.  I used to play "Money Jungle" to fool my friends -
they'd guess Monk or Herbie Nichols every time.




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From: Ash <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:54:38 -0800 (PST)

Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name
of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released?  Thanks.





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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ellington
Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:47:31 -0500

As Gerard mentioned, one cannot get into Duke without knowing the 30s.
The place to start is the RCA 3 cd set "The Blanton-Webster Years."
IMHO, the best Duke EVER is the Fargo 1940 set on VJC, which is
unfortunately out of print.  The RCA set is a close second.  If you want
to work backwards, try Such Sweet Thunder, At Newport,Great Paris
Concert, And His Mother Called Him Bill,  Recollections of the Big Band
Era or any of the Private Collection series. All of these are later
period from '56 on.

Basically, it's hard to buy an Ellington that isn't great!

Alan


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From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:47:10 -0500

>Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name
>of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released?  Thanks.
>

"Gone, Just Like a Train"
January 6, 1998

Ashley



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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ellington
Date: 09 Jan 1998 21:25:56 -0800

David Slusser mentioned it, and I'd like to second Duke's 'New Orleans
Suite' from 1970. Just an astounding record, one that, IMHO, doesn't get
nearly enough mention. One of my ten favorite records ever. I'm still
waiting for a contemporary large ensemble to have a go at the ideas
therein.

Brian Olewnick

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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 09 Jan 1998 21:04:16 -0500

Glenn Astarita wrote:

> ----------
> > > snip> >>
> >
> So, I'll leave Frisell and McLaughlin
> > to other ears and follow Alan to Joe Morris who captivates me
> intensely.
> > But, it is off-base to think my gooseflesh barometer a measure of
> the
> > artist's worth, value or integrity.
> >
> > s~Z
> >
> >
> > -
> > Morris is worth checking out...*.Matthew Shipp and Morris create
> lots of
> synergy !  Speaking of dazzling guitarists i recommend James Emery's
> latest
> on Enja which features Gerry Hemmingway, Mike Formanek and Marty
> Ehrlich..... Sorry, i don't have the title in front of me...
>
> glenn
>

Agreed, Standing on a Whale...is a great album.  However, I was
referring to Joe Morris as a guitarist whose style is challenging in the
way Cecil Taylor challenges as a pianist.  Take one part Ornette era
Blood Ulmer, one part Derek Bailey, a pinch of McLaughlin and you might
be close to Morris.  His "Elsewhere" with Matthew Shipp is very
adventurous, as is "You Be Me' with Mat Maneri.

But, Emery's cd is not to be missed.  I put it on my top ten for 1997.
Of course the band is a bunch of ringers, so it's almost not fair.  How
can you go wrong with Hemingway, Ehrlich, and Formanek.

Treat yourself, buy the Emery AND a Joe Morris.  Oh yes, buy the
Frisell, too.

Alan

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From: IOUaLive1 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th
Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:55:35 EST

In a message dated 98-01-08 21:23:20 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> I think the break is really going to be visible in New York on the 17th,
>  when Bill plays the Bottom Line with Krauss and Keltner while his former
>  fellow travellers Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Sharp are raising a ruckus at
>  the Knit.  I wonder what impact this booking coincidence will have on the
>  potential audience for each?  For those who are into both sides of the
>  split, BTW, it'll be easy enough to catch the Quartet at the Knit and then
>  attend the late set by Frisell

Yes, but then you would have to miss the late solo set by Frith downstairs at
the Knit!  But I guess I could see Frith the night before..  it's interesting
that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened
in a while.  A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours
jazz club would be nice.. actually 5/5 of Naked City will be playing that
night- I remembered that tape I have with Bobby Previte filling in for Joey!!

Old Frisell fans will probably always complain about his newest releases.  I
can sympathise.  I love Nasville and the Michael White duo disc, but have to
admit, they dont resonate that certain chakra.

-Jody

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked City Reunion (relax, it's a joke) [was Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th]
Date: 09 Jan 1998 22:59:00 -0500

IOUaLive1 wrote:

> it's interesting
> that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened
> in a while.  A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours
> jazz club would be nice..

Sigh... puts me in mind of those unannounced club jams that Prince always seems to
play after his big shows.  Joey lives in midtown and is most likely home as
well... I can see it now: "Naked City reunites at 1 A.M. in the Old Office in a
command performance of 'Torture Garden' for Vaclav Havel and Madeleine Albright...
Yamataka Eye's parts performed by Herb Robertson..."  (He could do it, too.)

"Follow your dreams, you can achieve your goals, I'm living proof.  Beefcake!
Beefcake!" - Eric Cartman

Steve Smith
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From:    Cathy McBratney <[e-mail]>
Subject: Best of the Year . . .
Date: 09 Jan 1998 22:37:17 -0500

1.Skydiggers-Desmonds Hip City

2.Reuben James-So You Wanna Be A Gunfighter

3.Mel Torme-Right Now Remaster

4.Weeping Tile-Valentino

5.Galaxie 500 Box

6.Frissell-Nashville

7.Paul Weller-Heavy Soul

8.Zorn-Masada VII

9.The Jam Box

10.Miles Davis-Live Evil Remaster

P.S.Anybody know any chaotic/exciting/real audio radio web sites??

skIp

"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew
I was onto something."
Ornette Coleman

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)



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From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pillow Book
Date: 10 Jan 1998 04:03:52 -0800

I saw mention of "The Pillow Book" soundtrack on someone's "best of" list.
I've been searching for this ever since I saw the film (which I highly
recommend, along with any other Peter Greenaway film).

Can someone fill me in on the label? Cat #?

Thanks-

Todd Bramy
[e-mail]



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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Loft Sessions
Date: 10 Jan 1998 12:52:09 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Glenn Astarita wrote:

> Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player.  7

Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it
down on CD (how many discs is it?)!



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Loft Sessions
Date: 10 Jan 1998 13:35:46 -0600



----------
>>
> > Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player.
7
>
> Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it
> down on CD (how many discs is it?)!

1 disk ! Believe it or not i bought it via Columbia House who now carry
Douglas Records ie: ASANA, Woodstock Creative Jazz Festival I&II, Praxis
Live, etc.....
>
>

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From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: Loft Sessions
Date: 10 Jan 1998 18:12:27 EST


In a message dated 1/10/98 4:04:58 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<> Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it

> down on CD (how many discs is it?)!



1 disk ! >>

Just to clarify, this is a compilation from the Wildflowers discs. The
original LPs have been rereleased on three individual CDs, but I think they're
pretty hard to track down.

In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the
expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown,
Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic document
of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz.

Jon

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From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
Date: 10 Jan 1998 18:32:50 -0500

After giving Gone, Just Like a Train top priority for a few days, my
opinion on it has changed a little bit. I still think the album is an
attempt to make Frisell more marketable, but it really is a fantastic
album. Viktor Kraus really blows me away, he has such a raw groove. In
addition, a few of the songs are breathtaking. I've been listening to
Verona and Girls Asks Boy (part 1) almost nonstop. However, I still don't
hear anything that new on this album. I guess I expected Bill to really
be stretching himself more after Quartet and Nashville, which were both
such interesting explorations of his composing and playing abilities.
Jamie

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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner
Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:06:01 -0800

At 03:30 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:

>This opinion is easily demonstrated in Keltner's playing with Ry Cooder and
>Jon Hassell on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's "Trespass" (though I
>understand that we're not supposed to listen to that since it's not the
>soundtrack by Our Patron Saint...).

I wanted to add a late (been busy recently) comment on this thread.

First of all, Keltner is extremely good, and I would have used _Trespass_
as an example.

But the bigger point, and maybe this isn't well understood from the outside
looking in, has to do with the rather insulting view of musicians who don't
stay in the "avant-garde" mode all the time, which appeared somewhere
earlier in this thread. Musicians may have families, they may enjoy
multiple types of musics, and they may even not have the opportunity to
play with people they would like to play with.  Many of them just want to
play as much as possible.  Keltner has played some very interesting stuff,
mostly with Cooder, but also with John Cale (unreleased I think) and a
bunch of other people.

It's worth pointing out that one of the regulars in Laswell's studio also
plays with Michael Jackson and Vanessa Williams.  And that J.T. Lewis, one
fucking fiery drummer on Henry Threadgill's release of last year, played
with Donna Summer fairly recently.  (I might add that I happen to like
Donna Summer's classic work with Giorgio Moroder, and also that, having met
her, she is as beautiful as the covers make her look, and a very nice
person too.)


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: "cmurat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Best of 97
Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:49:26 -0300

Here┤s my list:

John Zorn: Duras-Duchamp
Ivo Perelman: En Adir: Traditional Jewish Songs
Tim Berne: Unwound
Henry Threadgill: Where┤s your cup?
John Cale: Eat/Kiss- Music for the film of Andy Warhol
Varios: Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach
Luis A. Spinetta y los Socios del Desierto
Wheeler/Konitz/Holland/Frisell: Angel Song
Kronos Quartet: Early Music
Anthony Braxton Quartet: (Santa Cruz) 1993
Jean Derome: La Bete (Beast the within)

Reissues:

John Zorn; Cinical Histerie Hour
John Zorn: Black Box
Miles Davis: Live Evil . Black Beauty - Dark Magus - Live at the Philharmonic -
                  At Fillmore
John Coltrane: The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings



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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laswell Discography
Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:51:58 PST

For anyone interested, I finally got my Bill Laswell Discography up and
running. It's far from complete, and far from pretty for that matter!
Please let me know if anyone has any information on the albums that I am
missing info on. Thanks.

SW
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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Loft Sessions
Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:10:57 -0600



----------
>> In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the
> expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown,
> Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic
document
> of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz.
>
> Jon
>
> -
> I don't have the original Wildflower lp's but the the stuff on this cd is
excellent !

glenn

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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST)

>
> I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as
> they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these

Agreed.  Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
which one we tap out foot to more...

-jascha


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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 11 Jan 1998 14:59:06 -0800


>Agreed.  Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
>accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
>which one we tap out foot to more...
>
>-jascha


Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love
music from each of those camps.

s~Z


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From: "allen j huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: frisell
Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:53:20 -0000


>>>Agreed.  Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
>>>accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
>>>which one we tap out foot to more...
>>>
>>>-jascha
>>
>>
>>Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love
>>music from each of those camps.
>>
>>s~Z
>>
>>
>
>
on those two notes (sorry, no pun intended) I think that anyone who's
"fretting" (ugh, now there's a nasty pun) that Frisell is becoming more
accessible needs to listen with a different set of ears

I attended the first show on this past Friday night at McCabe's Guitar Shop
in Santa Monica CA with a friend whose tastes are definitely slanted heavily
towards kinder, gentler music (folksy, acoustic stuff which is typical
McCabe's fare and highly atypical of this list)

his post gig comment was surprise as to how "out there" a lot of the music
(and Frisell's playing) was

personally, I thought the show a bit restrained and dare I say it, tame (but
then again, my aural diet lately has consisted of large doses of Bloodcount,
Gerry Hemingway, and Dave Douglas "Sanctuary")

nevertheless, we both loved the show and thought it well worth braving the
stormy weather and consequent traffic (I live in Orange County...sorry for
the geographical tangent but I know some of you will understand)

and never having seen Frisell play live (except for on the telly) that alone
was enough to ensure my satisfaction

btw, the only tune I recognized was "Egg Radio" (from QUARTET) so I'll
assume that the bulk of the set was from the new disc (Frisell doesn't talk
much so most of the tunes were unidentified)
in that case GONE, LIKE A TRAIN should be heavier than NASHVILLE but way
more mainstream than the recordings with Driscoll and Baron
perhaps comparable to some of the music on the Michael Shrive FASCINATION cd
(w/Horvitz/Frisell) ?

anyway, I personally would be interested in the opinions of anyone who
attends the Bottom Line show next weekend

as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild
reformation...


ajh







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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: frisell
Date: 12 Jan 1998 09:16:05 -0600 (CST)

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, allen j huotari wrote:

> as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild
> reformation...

Whatever happened to them? I have one record of theirs, which I got back
in 1989, but have never heard of them since or run across anyone else who
had.


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: frisell
Date: 12 Jan 1998 07:53:15 -0800


On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST)  ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> >
> > I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as
> > they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these
>
> Agreed.  Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
> accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
> which one we tap out foot to more...

Time to introduce the notion of "a record we put back on the turntable",
as opposed to the "record you should own at any price, but never listen to".

    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Discs of the year
Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:14:36 +0100


 Hi!

 I've been lurking for quite a while without posting, but I'd like to throw in
 some favorites of 1997 as well (in no particular order):

  Elixir: Hegalien Zone
  Material: Seven Souls
  Easy Tempo Vol. 3
  David Bowie: Earthling
  Oscillations Remixes
  Bill Laswell meets Style Scott inna Dub Meltdown

 Two major disappointments:

  Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter: 1+1
   - It's intense, beautiful, but thoroughly boring. It's missing the spark
     that the concert had.

  Julian Priester/Sam Rivers: Hints on Light and Shadow
   - I was expecting something along the lines of Priester's earlier albums,
     especially "Love, Love" (when will they reissue it?). Honestly, I don't
     want to hear Priester play avantgarde (there's nothing wrong about
     avantgarde, I love Frith, Zorn, etc., but, you know...) Any opinions?

 The following CDs aren't new, but I bought them in 1997 and listened to them
 quite a lot:

  Axiom Dub: Mysteries Of Creation
  APC Tracks Vol. 1
  everything by The Golden Palominos
  Valis I: Destruction Of Syntax
  Praxis: Transmutation / Metatron
  Funkadelic: One Nation Under A Groove
  Jah Wobble: Heaven & Earth
  Material: Temporary Music (1979-1981) / Hallucination Engine
  Robert Musso: Active Resonance
  Divination: Ambient Dub Volume I
  Axiom Funk: Funkcronomicon



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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frisell Review
Date: 12 Jan 1998 08:14:13 -0800

For a Los Angeles Times review of Frisell's trio at McCabe's go here:
http://www.latimes.com./HOME/NEWS/CALENDAR/t000003513.html

s~Z


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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: a long top 10....
Date: 13 Jan 1998 03:26:17 -0500 (EST)


favorites of 97

zorn-related:
Compostela - Wadachi (Tzadik)
Smarnamisa! Resia Valley Music (Avant)
Masada - Het (DIW)
Bernard Woma - Live At The Pito Bar (Avant)
Duck Baker - Spinning Song (Avant)

instrumental
Jim O'Rourke - Happy Days (Revenant) & Bad Timing (Drag City)
Ground Zero - Consume Red (ReR)
Music of Indonesia Vol. 15 - South Sulawesi Strings (Smithsonian Folkways)
Genggon - Balinese Jews Harp Orchestra (World Music Library)
Kocani Orkestar - L'Orient est Rouge (Cramworld)
Crispell/Peacock/Motian - Nothing Ever Was Anyway (ECM)
Kid Loco - A Grand Love Story - (Yellow)
Air - Premieres Symptomes - (Source)
Shizuo vs. Shizor (DHR)
Ellery Eskelin - One Great Day (Hat Art)

songs
Barbara Gogan / Hector Zazou - Made On Earth (Crammed)
Laika - Sounds Of The Satellites (Too Pure)
Bjork - Homogenic (Elektra)
Quickspace - Quickspace (Slash)
Movietone - Day & Night (Domino)
Ron Sexsmith - Other Songs (Interscope)
Beth Orton - Trailer Park (Dedicated/Heavenly)
OP8 w/Lisa Germano (V2/Thirsty Ear)
Robert Wyatt - Schleep (Rykodisc)
Various - The Inner Flame (songs of Rainer Ptacek) (Atlantic)

reissues
Herbie Nichols - box (Blue Note)
Southern Journey (Lomax) Vol. 3 - Highway Mississippi (Rounder)
Anthology of American Folk Music (Harry Smith) (Smithsonian Folkways)
Naftule Brandwein - King of Klezmer Clarinet (Rounder)
Terry Riley - All Night Flight (Poppy Nogood) VOl. 1 (Corti)
Secret Museum of Mankind: North Africa (Yazoo)
(60s Italian soundtracks) Beat at Cinecitta Vol. 1 (Crippled Dick)
Ornette Coleman - Chappaqua Suite (Sony)
Iva Bittova - Divna Slecinka (BMG)
Iggy & Stooges - Raw Power remix (Elektra)

- David Newgarden

(p.s.  advertisement: annual purge of excess cds/lps - email me privately
for list of hundreds of experimental and rock albums for sale cheap. My
apartment's too crowded!)



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From: Friedrich Feger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eyvind Kang and Zeena Parkins recommendations?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 13:21:17 +0100

What are your favourites on Eyvind Kang and Zeena Parkins?

After all, I bought the Bacharach CD and didn't regret it, especially
because of their contributions. BTW, my fav on it is Medesky/Martin/Wood,
but I was already introduced to them, was I, Tom?

I don't want to cause an avalanche and beg your pardon for possible
redundance, there's so much information here, so many names, I cannot
purchase/listen to all of it... unfortunately.

Fritz.

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Avant
Date: 13 Jan 1998 14:30:36 +0100


Does anybody now if there's a complete, recent list of  Avant-records
available on the net ?

Thanks,
YVes





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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Pillow Book details ?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 09:09:14 -0500

Someone had asked about details for the soundtrack to the recent (and
brilliant) Peter Greenaway film The Pillowbook.  I also went in search of
this cd as soon as I saw the film and finally found it at an HMV - they got
a stack of them in but even at $25 a pop they didn't last the week.  Good
luck.

The Pillowbook - La Bande Son, LBS A970001-2

Yao Lee : "Rose, Rose I Love You"
Guesch Patti & E. Daho :   "Blonde"
Cawai Miwako :   "Taimu-Mashin no nai Jidai"
Autopsia :  "Je Suis La Resurrection"
Buddhist Lamas & Monks of the Four Great Order :
   "Offering to the Saviour Gompo" &   "A Buddhist Prayer"
A Village Ensemble, Aqcha, Afghanistan : "Wedding Song"
Guesch Patti & Dimitri Tikovoi : "La Marquise"
Buddhist Lamas & Monks of the Four Great Orders :
    "Invocations of Gompo"
Cawai Miwako : "Lonely Planet Girl" & "Reality is U"
Quadro Quartet : "Valse"
      (from The Frist String Quartet "La Theorie" by Walter Hus)
James Bowman :  "Qui Tolis"  (from "Rome" by Patrick Mimran)

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From: Friedrich Feger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn and Judaism again...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 16:11:16 +0100

Dear Zornatics,

three weeks ago I posted the following, with no feedback at all. Doesn't
anyone of you have any comments on the assertion cited below? A short and
decisive "bullshit" would perfectly suffice.

>On a site devoted to Burt Bacharach I read (besides the expected slating
>review) that John Zorn only gives interviews to the Jewish press. Is that
>true?
>
>Fritz.
>
>(I read that at
> http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~mark/bacharach/bacharach_news.html )

Thanks,
Fritz.

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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Judaism again...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 09:19:57 -0600 (CST)

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Friedrich Feger wrote:

> >On a site devoted to Burt Bacharach I read (besides the expected slating
> >review) that John Zorn only gives interviews to the Jewish press. Is that
> >true?

The latest issue of Resonance contains an interview with Zorn, who I have
never seen interviewed in any of the Jewish publications that I read.



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From: "Joeseph Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Judaism again...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 10:56:43 -0500

If you look closely at the interivew though, you will find out that it was
published several years ago.  They call it "new" as it is revised (ala
re -edited) from its original content.  Zorn does not take any interviews
from anywhere anymore.  Has not for years.

Joeseph
-----Original Message-----
Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>


>On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Friedrich Feger wrote:
>
>> >On a site devoted to Burt Bacharach I read (besides the expected slating
>> >review) that John Zorn only gives interviews to the Jewish press. Is
that
>> >true?
>
>The latest issue of Resonance contains an interview with Zorn, who I have
>never seen interviewed in any of the Jewish publications that I read.
>
>
>
>-
>
>


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From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: interested in art?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 12:59:31 -0700

This past saturday I walked to northwest Chelsea to visit some galleries.
Being an artist, and not a musician, I thought it was appropriate that I
look at some art. I usually find myself frustrated with most high art that
I see in Soho or in Chelsea, this might be the reason why I go hear music
instead of see art. Cruising through a lot of big renovated wharehouses and
sweatshops I came face to face with my old frustrations, however I did see
something that floored me. Her name is Morgan O'Hara. She is showing at
the....
Stephen Gang Gallery
529 West 20th Street
I believe up on the fourth floor.

What this woman does is filter live preformances of guys like Anthony
Braxton, Cecil Taylor, and many other Kniting Factory preformers. Most
drawing were done live at the knitting factory. She has some amazing ink
splotch looking drawings, really fun to look at. A lot of energy. Her ink
spots are like clouds, you can see a lot of different recognizable objects
in them. It is fun to look at the titles, see which ones were from the
knit.

Live Transmissions
=46orm and Content

When I went to see this show, it was the first day up. Later on in the eve
there was an opening. You see, most art openings are really boring,
everyone shmoozes, dresses fancy, drinks lots of wine, and talk about
themselves. This one was not much different. There was a live preformance
of Booker T and Elliot Levin. Booker T asked this kid at the opening, who
looked about as out of place as I did, to join in on alto sax. Booker T
walked around scaring people with his tenor, honking at groups of fancies,
herding them all this way and that. Morgan O'Hara knelt on the floor with
sheets of paper and a row of eight pencils lined up in her hands pressed
flat together like she was praying. Booker T honks and howls reverberated
off the cement walls of the gallery. It was an all out free sax jam with
Booker T doing a lot of squeals and barks, Elliot Levin on tenor adding
textural musings, and the kid my age blowing where he could. Needless to
say the place cleared out pretty quickly. The people that were left were
holding their ears watching Morgan O'hara scribble away. I liked the music
more than I liked the drawing she produced from the music. I think the
concept is great, and is really worth checking out if you are in the
chelsea area.

A review of the new and improved PS1 Contemporary Art Museum comming soon.

Jay.



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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: interested in art?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:56:49 -0500 (EST)

"What this woman does is filter live preformances of guys like Anthony
Braxton, Cecil Taylor, and many other Kniting Factory preformers. Most
drawing were done live at the knitting factory. She has some amazing ink"
<<snip>>


is she the one who did the Charles Gayle 'live at the KF' cover?

-jascha


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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Carl Stalling
Date: 03 Jan 1998 11:49:05

Is there a Zorn-produced or Zorn-related tribute to great Warner Brothers
composer Carl Stalling? I thought I read something about this somewhere but
I could just be making it up.

Info appreciated.

Thanks,
Jesse





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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Judaism again...
Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:29:06 -0500

Joeseph Simon wrote:

> If you look closely at the interivew though, you will find out that it was
> published several years ago.  They call it "new" as it is revised (ala
> re -edited) from its original content.  Zorn does not take any interviews
> from anywhere anymore.  Has not for years.

True enough.  However, he's not entirely averse to speaking to writers on behalf
of other artists:  he was quoted in the Wire in a recent piece on Cyro Baptista,
listed his favorite albums in Downbeat, and is quoted in an upcoming Jazziz
feature on Dave Douglas.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: interested in art?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:34:58 -0500

ia zha nah er vesen wrote:

> "What this woman does is filter live preformances of guys like Anthony
> Braxton, Cecil Taylor, and many other Kniting Factory preformers. Most
> drawing were done live at the knitting factory. She has some amazing ink"
> <<snip>>
>
> is she the one who did the Charles Gayle 'live at the KF' cover?

No.  But I can't remember that guy's name right now.  When I worked at the
Knit we had a huge painting of Joey Baron's Baron Down by that guy on the
office wall, very cool.  And Tim Berne has a bunch of his stuff on his walls
at home.  Hopefully the name will come to me.

Steve Smith
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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: interested in art?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 16:49:20 -0800


>Hopefully the name will come to me.
>
>Steve Smith


Jeff Schlanger?

s~Z


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From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn's fav albums?
Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:44:02 -0600

- he was quoted in the Wire in a recent piece on Cyro Baptista,
-listed his favorite albums in Downbeat, and is quoted in an upcoming Jazziz
-feature on Dave Douglas.


   what did he say to Downbeat?


















                                read icculus



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From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: interested in art?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 21:10:57 EST


In a message dated 1/13/98 7:39:29 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<> is she the one who did the Charles Gayle 'live at the KF' cover?

No.  But I can't remember that guy's name right now.  When I worked at the
Knit we had a huge painting of Joey Baron's Baron Down by that guy on the
office wall, very cool.  And Tim Berne has a bunch of his stuff on his walls
at home.  Hopefully the name will come to me.>>

Jeff Schlanger is the artist you're thinking of. For a long time, you knew it
was a "big" gig at the Knit because Jeff would be busily sketching away in the
front row. In fact, if you positioned yourself in the right seat, you could
watch him paint during the show which I always found very enjoyable. I haven't
seen him around for a while, but then again I don't go to quite as many shows
as I used to.

Jon

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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn's fav albums?
Date: 13 Jan 1998 21:13:25 -0500

Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
>
>    what did he say to Downbeat?

he listed the following as his favorite albums:

Herbie Nichols - The Complete Blue Note Recordings (Blue Note)
Sonny Rollins - Sonny Meets Hawk! (RCA Victor)
Jimmy Giuffre 3 - Free Fall (Columbia)
Kim So-Hee - P'ansori II Saeng (Jigu)
Frank Sinatra - The Reprise Years (Warner/Reprise)
Les Baxter - The Exotic Moods of Les Baxter (Capitol)
Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammaphon)
Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol 11 (Soundtrack
Listeners Communication)

            -Tom Pratt

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From: Corey Marc Fogel <[e-mail]>
Subject: miscellaneous Zorn projects
Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:33:16 -0700 (MST)


I was wondering if anyone witnessed or knows anything at all about the
following seemingly random Zorn projects talked about in this excerpt
from an interview with William Winant from:

http://www.slip.net/~insulin/wilwinint.html

-------
How long have you known the people in Mr. Bungle? How did that whole
thing start with your being involved with them?

I think I met Mike [Patton] and Trevor [Dunn] on a project we did, on
this opera that we did with John Zorn. I am not sure                                  when it was. It might have been 1992.

Was that Elegy?

It was before Elegy. It was the Houdini-De Sade Project.
And then we did another. It was a double bill with the Grande Guignol
and then we did this new project. It was a collaboration with John Zorn
and Arto Lindsay. Arto wrote the text and John wrote the music. It was
basically Naked City with guests. He had me and Trevor and Mike come
from [San Francisco]. We all met and did this concert in this museum in
Minneapolis. That was the first time I'd met Mike and Trevor from Bungle.
It was a lot of fun. Really great concert.
-------

someone please know more about these.
thank you

Corey


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: interested in art?
Date: 14 Jan 1998 01:39:35 -0500

JonAbbey2 wrote:

> In a message dated 1/13/98 7:39:29 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> <<> is she the one who did the Charles Gayle 'live at the KF' cover?
>
> No.  But I can't remember that guy's name right now.
>
> Jeff Schlanger is the artist you're thinking of. For a long time, you knew it
> was a "big" gig at the Knit because Jeff would be busily sketching away in the
> front row. In fact, if you positioned yourself in the right seat, you could
> watch him paint during the show which I always found very enjoyable. I haven't
> seen him around for a while, but then again I don't go to quite as many shows
> as I used to.

I don't suppose anyone is going to believe me if I claim that I remembered Jeff's
name immediately before reading Keith's and Jon's messages?  Weird, huh?  Not only
that, but I also remembered that he goes by the trade name "Music Witness."  Jeff
was at the club pretty infrequently during my brief tenure, but I do know he's
still active because he came to one of the two Jackie McLean shows during the
summer festival.  I really like his work but am also curious to check out the
gallery show that Jason mentioned... it IS a nice space, and there was a music
oriented exhibit on display when I visited about a month ago though it wasn't the
one Jason mentioned.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tipsy.
Date: 14 Jan 1998 10:10:00 +0100 (MEZ)

well, i hope any of you guys can help me..
yesterday i saw a videoclip called "space golf" on mtv europe by a
project called tipsy....
is THAT the project that Trevor Dunn (mr. bungle, junk genius etc.) is
involved in??? there is a band of that name mentioned on the trevor dunn
page...
if it is that band it would be pretty surprising to me...sounded alot
like experimental dancemusic, guys such as Coldcut etc..

BJOERN

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From: [e-mail] (Eric Gordon)
Subject: RE: Tipsy.
Date: 14 Jan 1998 12:24:42 -0500



well, i hope any of you guys can help me..
yesterday i saw a videoclip called "space golf" on mtv europe by a=20
project called tipsy....
is THAT the project that Trevor Dunn (mr. bungle, junk genius etc.) is=20
involved in???=20

The short answer is yes. Trevor Dunn does play on Tipsy's first record, =
as well as a few other SF musicians of note. Tipsy info, along with =
sound and video clips, is available at    =
www.asphodel.com/asphodel/tipsy/index.shtml


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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Compostela/Fushitsusha
Date: 14 Jan 1998 22:03:13 -0800

Belatedly picked up Compostela's 'Wadachi'and, natch, enjoy it quite a
lot. Noting that it was recorded 1991-92, I'm curious to know what, if
anything, they've recorded since then. Anyone?

Also noted the availability of a newly re-released double record by
Fushitsusha on PSF from 1990 or so (see Forced Exposure's January 1998
listing). Any reviews?

Brian Olewnick

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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2 Laswell questions
Date: 14 Jan 1998 22:21:21 PST

I was told by a friend recently that he saw somewhere that Janet
Rienstra mentioned a new deal for a spoken word label that she and
Laswell had. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it a deal with
Triloka, since the Material re-release was issued on META, through them?

Also, in an absolutely great interview with Lori Carson at
http://www.innerviews.org/inner/carson.html
she mentions doing a track for an upcoming Material album. Does anyone
know the scoop on that? Any help would be muchly appreciated.

Peace,
SW

______________________________________________________
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From: Gene Natalia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eyvind Kang
Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:16:45 -0800

Eyvind Kang has two albums to his name:  "7NADEs" and "Sweetness of
Sickness."  Both of these are favorites of mine.  I would probably recommend
Sweetness first, but that one is harder to find than the Tzadik-released
7NADEs, so you should take what you can get.  He is supposedly coming out
with a new Tzadik release this year called "Theater of Mineral NADEs.  He
also plays extensively on the new Secret Chiefs 3 album which is supposedly
being released sometime in the next year.  He can also be found on the Bill
Frisell Quartet album, on which he plays Tuba.  Most of Kang's own work is
less melodic than the songs on the Great Jew tribute albums.  In fact, I
would say it leaned more towards the thematic, a la Mike Patton's Adult
Themes for Voice, although I would not necessarily say the two were similar.
Some of Kang's stuff is just sick in a way that is very pleasing.  I
recommend that you check him out.  For those of you who are into Trip Hop
and Jungle, check out We's album "As Is," which features Eyvind Kang,
amongst other things.

                                                        -Ethan Danberry


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: Zorn List Digest V2 #207
Date: 15 Jan 1998 07:59:18 -0500

> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:49:05
> From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Carl Stalling
>
> Is there a Zorn-produced or Zorn-related tribute to great Warner
Brothers
> composer Carl Stalling?

As someone mentioned this week, he wrote part of the liner notes to the
"Carl Stalling Project" that Hal Willner did a few years ago.  I recall
that Zorn was involved in the early stages of that project but pulled
out over disagreements with Willner.  Cynical Hysterie Hour is his own
tribute, I imagine.

> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:03:13 -0800
> From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Compostela/Fushitsusha
>
> Belatedly picked up Compostela's 'Wadachi'and, natch, enjoy it quite a
> lot. Noting that it was recorded 1991-92, I'm curious to know what, if
> anything, they've recorded since then. Anyone?

A great CD.  The liner notes say that one of the members had died, so I
doubt it.

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From: "gschwend d. atelier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: evan lurie
Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:21:10 +0000

hi everyone!

i remember someone inquiring about evan lurie a few days ago.
don't know if the following's been mentioned yet; i got it
out of a swiss newspaper today.

the soundtrack to photographer cindy sherman's debut film
"office killer" was written by evan lurie.

patRice

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From: "gschwend d. atelier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: evan lurie
Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:22:55 +0000

hi everyone!

i remember someone inquiring about evan lurie a few days ago.
don't know if the following's been mentioned yet; i got it
out of a swiss newspaper today.

the soundtrack to photographer cindy sherman's debut film
"office killer" was written by evan lurie. (no further
information given...)

patRice

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From: Mark2u <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn CDs for Sale
Date: 15 Jan 1998 13:33:32 EST


In a message dated 1/12/98 11:28:20 AM, Patrice wrote:

>Time to introduce the notion of "a record we put back on the turntable",
>as opposed to the "record you should own at any price, but never listen to".

Well put, Patrice. With that in mind I've decided to eliminate some CDs that
don't get much play, including:

Classic Guide to Strategy
Elegy
Derek & The Ruins -Saisoro
Henry Threadgil - Too much sugar

as well as some other downtown artists, Eno & Fripp related, and a lot of more
conventional rock & jazz. Anyone who is interested can email me directly for a
list.

Mark Stevens

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn CDs for Sale
Date: 15 Jan 1998 11:06:12 -0800


On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:32 EST  Mark2u wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/98 11:28:20 AM, Patrice wrote:
>
> >Time to introduce the notion of "a record we put back on the turntable",
> >as opposed to the "record you should own at any price, but never listen to".
>
> Well put, Patrice. With that in mind I've decided to eliminate some CDs that
> don't get much play, including:
>
> Classic Guide to Strategy
> Elegy
> Derek & The Ruins -Saisoro
> Henry Threadgil - Too much sugar

This list pretty much matches my list of "record we put back on the turntable".

SAISORO is a record a thought I would not like (sounded initially like a
producer gimmick). With the first 5 bars, I knew that my fears were not
justified. The "morphism" of both styles is pretty amazing. You never get
the feeling that each (Ruins or Bailey) give in the other style, nevertherless,
you never feel that the result is a juxtaposition of style (hence the word
"morphism").

ELEGY is also one of my favorite from Zorn. Zorn did a great job at conveying
the "deletere" (unhealthy?) atmosphere of Genet's writing.

To my shame, I do not have the Threadgill...

    Patrice.

> as well as some other downtown artists, Eno & Fripp related, and a lot of more
> conventional rock & jazz. Anyone who is interested can email me directly for a
> list.
>
> Mark Stevens
>
> -
>


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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Laswell, with and without Zorn, and Re: 2 Laswell questions
Date: 15 Jan 1998 11:04:45 -0800

At 10:21 PM 1/14/98 PST, Silent Watcher wrote:
>I was told by a friend recently that he saw somewhere that Janet
>Rienstra mentioned a new deal for a spoken word label that she and
>Laswell had. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it a deal with
>Triloka, since the Material re-release was issued on META, through them?

I think that what this is about is that Janet is trying to revive the Meta
label, outside of Caroline.

>
>Also, in an absolutely great interview with Lori Carson at
>http://www.innerviews.org/inner/carson.html
>she mentions doing a track for an upcoming Material album. Does anyone
>know the scoop on that? Any help would be muchly appreciated.

The album is called _Intanamori_, although I have probably spelled it
wrong, and it doesn't have a release date yet.  It's got a lot of
hip/trip-hop stuff.  There's still some vocal tracks to be recorded, and
mixing.  Axiom.

Here's some other new stuff being recorded at Bill's new studio:

Zorn, Laswell, Fred Frith, Charles Hayward, produced by John.  Tzadik.

Percy Howard (Nus), Laswell, Fred Frith, Hayward, produced by Laswell.

Oscillations 2.  Just Bill.  SubRosa.

Talvin Singh, Bill Laswell, Tricky.

Next Pharoah Sanders, _Jewels of Love_, should be finished mixing next month.




Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Laswell, with and without Zorn, and Re: 2 Laswell questions
Date: 15 Jan 1998 11:08:51 -0800

At 10:21 PM 1/14/98 PST, Silent Watcher wrote:
>I was told by a friend recently that he saw somewhere that Janet
>Rienstra mentioned a new deal for a spoken word label that she and
>Laswell had. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it a deal with
>Triloka, since the Material re-release was issued on META, through them?

I think that what this is about is that Janet is trying to revive the Meta
label, outside of Caroline.

>
>Also, in an absolutely great interview with Lori Carson at
>http://www.innerviews.org/inner/carson.html
>she mentions doing a track for an upcoming Material album. Does anyone
>know the scoop on that? Any help would be muchly appreciated.

The album is called _Intanamori_, although I have probably spelled it
wrong, and it doesn't have a release date yet.  It's got a lot of
hip/trip-hop stuff.  There's still some vocal tracks to be recorded, and
mixing.  Axiom.

Here's some other new stuff being recorded at Bill's new studio:

Zorn, Laswell, Fred Frith, Charles Hayward, produced by John.  Tzadik.

Percy Howard (Nus), Laswell, Fred Frith, Hayward, produced by Laswell.

Oscillations 2.  Just Bill.  SubRosa.

Talvin Singh, Bill Laswell, Tricky.

Next Pharoah Sanders, _Jewels of Love_, should be finished mixing next month.




Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Panthalassa
Date: 15 Jan 1998 20:04:45 UT

Is there any more news about when this is coming out?
Someone once said the end of January, but I'm getting antsy, as I haven't seen
anything about it.  Could someone reassure me?

Thanks,
Peter

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From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa
Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:50:55 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> Is there any more news about when this is coming out?
> Someone once said the end of January, but I'm getting antsy, as I haven't seen
> anything about it.  Could someone reassure me?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter

ICE magazine says Feb. 17. And the newest issue of ICE has a little
description of what each track is made up of and how long it is, etc.

cya
brian
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa
Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:23:13 -0800

March 10.

At 08:04 PM 1/15/98 UT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Is there any more news about when this is coming out?
>Someone once said the end of January, but I'm getting antsy, as I haven't
seen
>anything about it.  Could someone reassure me?
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>
>-
>
>
>
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa
Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:30:20 -0800

At 02:50 PM 1/15/98 -0600, Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

>ICE magazine says Feb. 17. And the newest issue of ICE has a little
>description of what each track is made up of and how long it is, etc.

The change from Sony was in all likelihood post-press time for ICE.  It is
currently March 10.  Sony could pull it in, but that would probably be a
first.

Maybe it got bumped for a new Mariah Carey CD.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Stalling
Date: 15 Jan 1998 18:29:19 -0500 (EST)



On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> As someone mentioned this week, he wrote part of the liner notes to the
> "Carl Stalling Project" that Hal Willner did a few years ago.  I recall
> that Zorn was involved in the early stages of that project but pulled
> out over disagreements with Willner.  Cynical Hysterie Hour is his own
> tribute, I imagine.

"Cat O' Nine Tails" on Kronos' _Short Stories_ is the most
Stalling-sounding Zorn piece I've heard.

Chris Hamilton


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:52:04 -0500

Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Cynical Hysterie Hour is his own
> > tribute, I imagine.
>
> "Cat O' Nine Tails" on Kronos' _Short Stories_ is the most
> Stalling-sounding Zorn piece I've heard.

Agreed.  The solo accordion piece "Road Runner" (Guy Klucevsek, "Manhattan
Cascade" CRI) and solo harp piece "Tasmanian Devil" (Carol Emanuel, "Tops of
Trees," Koch) are also obvious tributes, as denoted by the titles themselves.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: Mark Corroto <[e-mail]>
Subject: Evan Lurie
Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:32:21 -0600

I remember watching the Italian Movie
Johnny Stecchino, and seeing that Evan Lurie
composed the soundtrack.

Has anyone ever seen this on disc?

mc

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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie
Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:54:16 +0100

This turns out to become a nice trainspotting exercise!

At the movies last night I saw & heard the trailer for the new
Office Killer by Cindy Sherman, with music by Evan Lurie as
mentioned yesterday. Same question: has anybody seen this disc?
BTW, Marc Ribot definitely plays as well on the soundtrack.
Any other Zorn-related musicians involved in this?

Stephane


At 21:32 15.01.98 -0600, Mark Corroto <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I remember watching the Italian Movie
>Johnny Stecchino, and seeing that Evan Lurie
>composed the soundtrack.
>
>Has anyone ever seen this on disc?
>
>mc
>
>-
>
>
>

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Say No More
Date: 16 Jan 1998 10:01:41 +0100



Ostertag/Hemingway/Minton/Dresser live

Waw!!


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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Stalling
Date: 16 Jan 1998 11:14:54 +0100



Steve Smith wrote:
>Agreed.  The solo accordion piece "Road Runner" (Guy Klucevsek, "Manhattan
>Cascade" CRI) and solo harp piece "Tasmanian Devil" (Carol Emanuel, "Tops of
>Trees," Koch) are also obvious tributes, as denoted by the titles themselves.

I remember seeing Klucevsek in a live performance of "Road Runner".
During this demanding performance his accordion was damaged in such a way
that he had to cancel the remaining part of the concert.

YVes

(I apologize for the fact that this mail may reach te list several times)

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From: Christopher John Moon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew??
Date: 16 Jan 1998 08:14:50 -0600

Hey,

Does anyone know of any artists who would be interested in playing a show
headlined by a new Robert Fripp/Adrian Belew project in Nashville the week
of Feb. 18-20...it's part of NEA (Nashville's version of CMJ, SXSW, etc...).

Email me with any ideas.  Thanks,

Christopher Moon




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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: angelus novus
Date: 16 Jan 1998 22:23:54 +0100 (MEZ)

according to the tzadik page it seems as if this record is out......
am i wrong???????????????????????
there is at least a photo of the cover and the page clearly says:
recent releases.....any comments?

BJOERN

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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: angelus novus
Date: 16 Jan 1998 15:34:30 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> according to the tzadik page it seems as if this record is out......
> am i wrong???????????????????????
> there is at least a photo of the cover and the page clearly says:
> recent releases.....any comments?

I undeerstand that it and the other releases will be out this coming
Tuesday in the US. (I'm eagerly awaiting the Daniel Goode CD!))



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frisell/Keltner
Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:49:05 -0600

Finally picked up Gone, Just Like a Train.....with regards to the recent
thread about drummer Jim Keltner..well, i'll say this....the guy is an
artist ! listen to the sublties, the sensitive approach and the
unobtrusiveness.  Keltner's trademark approach is evident here:  A
wonderful timekeeper.  He commands every nuance and sound from the kit.
These are the records you play for your kid who has apirations of becoming
a drummer.  He's not the fastest but he's slick.  His hi-hat work alone
should be studied if nothing else.  These are the reasons why he may be the
most sought after session drummer in the world.  I may be a bit biased
since i play but......................and the cd is excellent.  It cooks..!
I was expecting an Earl Klugh record based on some of the previous
comments.......Anyway, my 2 cents..

glenn

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stalling
Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:58:55 +0100


>Agreed.  The solo accordion piece "Road Runner" (Guy Klucevsek, "Manhattan
>Cascade" CRI) and solo harp piece "Tasmanian Devil" (Carol Emanuel, "Tops of
>Trees," Koch) are also obvious tributes, as denoted by the titles themselves


I remember seeing Klucevsek in a live performance of "Road Runner", during
this demanding performance his accordeon was damaged in such a way, that
he had the cancel the remaining part of the concert.

YVes

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From: M.Ho <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie
Date: 17 Jan 1998 8:59:38 EST

Evan also did a track for Steve Buscemi's film TREES LOUNGE.

-Mary

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From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fushitsusha review
Date: 17 Jan 1998 11:38:03 -0500


Hello folks on the zorn-list,

Earlier this week, there was a question asking
for a review of the first Fushitsusha release
(untitled, PSF, PSFD-3/4) which was reissued last
month as a double cd (after the original double
lp had been out of print for several years).

So here's a review:  Get it.  It's great.
If you haven't heard the second Fushitsusha release,
also a double live cd (untitled, PSF, PSFD-15/16, 1991),
get this one (PSFD 15/16) first.  If you have the second
Fushitsusha release, then there should be no question in
your mind that another double live cd set is worth picking up.
The first release is overall a little more mellow
than the second.  Like the second release, it has
both sonically dense songs as well as soft, meandering tunes
but the latter dominate the album.  Through-out,
it has Keiji Haino's distinctive voice and guitar.

Regarding more comments on the first album, there are
some pertinent words at the Forced Exposure website.

For a long review of Fushitsusha's second release
(originally printed in Forced Exposure Mag)
go to the Charnel Music page at
http://www.charnel.com/charnel/bands/fushitsusha/

Hope that helps.

By the way, in early 1998, two more recent live
Fushitsusha recordings are planned.

Fushitsusha -- "Gold Blood"
Live at San Francisco's Great American Music Hall
Performed:  November, 1996
Charnel Music - CHCD 30 -- release:  March, 1998

Fushitsusha --
Live at the Festival International de Musique Actuelle Victoriaville, Canada
Performed: May 16, 1997  (This is the first release with the new line-up.)
Victo -- ? -- release: early 1998

david
maintainer of "An Unofficial Keiji Haino Website"
http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/index.html

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From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew??
Date: 17 Jan 1998 12:00:49 -0600 (CST)

How about other such Nashville luminaries as Peter Frampton, Brett
Michaels, Ray Stevens, John Kaye, and of course, yours truly? - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
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From: "James L. Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred Chalenor (Zony Mash/Boodler$/Pigpen bassist)
Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:20:54 -0800

Hi there -
just thought I'd let y'all on this list (esp. those f/the NW USA) know
that the IMMENSELY talented Fred Chalenor (bassist for Wayne Horvitz's
Zony Mash & Pigpen, as well as Elliot Sharp's BOODLER$, etc.) has joined
a band here in Seattle that REALLY smokes as well.

This band is FREESTYLE CANDELA - and Fred has fit in VERY nicely with
Leif Totusek(guitarist/leader) and the wonderfully hypnotic and
danceable Afro-Latin Jazz-Groove original compositions written by Leif.
As the band's new manager, I have a website under construction at:
http://www.soukous.com/freestyle where there are sound clips off
Freestyle's debut CD (which features Keith Lowe on bass, now on tour
with Fiona Apple) and where future performances/tours will be listed.

>In the near future, the band plays tuesday Jan. 20th & tuesday Jan. 27th
>at the University Sports Bar located at 5260 Univ. Way NE in Seattle.
>Cover is CHEAP(3/4$ respectively)& **mention the Zorn list for 1$ off**!
>A free show also takes place at the Seattle Art Museum on Thurday,
>January 22nd from 5-7pm(liquor/wine/beer served!) so come on down after
>work and enjoy this 1998 SHOWCASE PERFORMANCE(w/grand piano) & a drink!

I can also add that three drummers will be there this tuesday as the
band stews up a heady brew of rootsy afro-latin acid-jams that'll leave
anyone in attendance not only tappin' their feet but also dancing in
their head!

Please excuse the promotional tone of this post but rest assured
that as a longtime subscriber of this list anything I've ever posted
(and will post) will always be in the spirit of ONE THING -> GOOD MUSIC!

Have a good one y'all,
James Kirchmer, Seattle, WA


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From: Richard E Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ben Goldberg info/ radical Jewish Culture stuff
Date: 17 Jan 1998 20:02:07 -0500 (EST)


Comrades:
On Jan. 31st I am conducting a radio special on Jewish Music and Culture.
I am interviewing ben Goldberg via telephone on next thursday, and I
wanted to see if anyone on the list had any questions.  Additionally, I
have been scouring my collection for more Jewish type music and aside from
all my Tzadik and KF stuff my prospects are bleak.  Any advice or info
would be greatly appreciated.

Much respect:

rich Ladew
[e-mail]

P.s. If this isnt Zorn-related enough my sincere apopogies.  People could
definitely also respond to my personal e-mail.  Thanks.


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From: R & T Cummings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Say No More
Date: 18 Jan 1998 11:52:31 -0500

Yves Dewulf wrote:

>Ostertag/Hemingway/Minton/Dresser live

>Waw!!

I just saw this gig in Berlin, Germany last Monday -
and I say Gaga-waw too!

Does anybody know if Bob Ostertag was actually using
live samples (i.e. recorded during the actual concert) or =

was he using samples from previous concerts, recordings, =

etc.?

On a related note, have any of you heard the new Gerry =

Hemingway stuff - both solo and with band? I've heard =

that he's also using samplers live etc.

Tschuess all you Zorniacs

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: angelus novus
Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:31:25 +0100



I have my copy for almost two weeks and it is amazing.
"For your eyes only (for chamber ensemble)" and "Carny"(Solo Piano) are
quite similar to "Roadrunner" (Accordion) and "Cat'O'Nine Tails"
(String Quartet). Cartoon music with fast cut-ups and quotes from
various popular, classical and contemporary music.
Carney is as very spectacular (it reminds me of the music
for player piano by Ligeti or Nancorrow) and gets better every time
I listen to it.

The other two pieces are more continuous (more the Duras-piece style):
Christabel is like a modernist meditation for 5 flutes and a viola.
Angelus Novus are 5 short pieces for wind-octet.

I think this CD is even better than the Duras:Duchamps, so keep an eye
on it !

YVes.

P.S. Who are what is "Carny", referred to in the title ?

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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: evan lurie
Date: 19 Jan 1998 09:21:13 -0500

..from Mark Corroto, Mary, & Patrice comes word that Even Lurie
contributed scores or songs to at least the below three films....

Johnny Stecchino  (Italian ...)
Office Killer  (new... Cindy Sherman)
Trees Lounge (Steve Buschemi)
--------------------
Happy? Here  Now? (Crepuscule Records)
Il Mostro (?)
Pieces For Bandoneon (Les Disques ...)
Selling Water by the Shore (Antilles)

I can recommend the Trees Lounge soundtrack (the films a renter...) and
"Selling Water by the Shore" which is excellent.  I am, along with others,
on the hunt for the other titles - there is enough here for a Tzadik archival
compilation I would think...

-=Bob=-

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From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:24:55 -0500

After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
him what he though of Keltner. I'm sure he was impressed though, I know I
was. Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it. I'm very interested in
any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?
Jamie

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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Angelus Novus
Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:34:03 -0500

Got my copy yesterday and WOOOEEE is it good! Carny is my personal
favorite. Zorn's latest Composer Series stuff has been excellent - with
Duras:Duchamp and now this! I hope to see more in the future!

I also picked up Alvin Lucier's 'Music On A Long Thin Wire' and Heiner
Goebbels's 'Black On White' which are both great as well! Adios.

            -Tom Pratt

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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arcana
Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:12:22 -0500

I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The Testimony' and
just by looking at the personel on 'The Last Wave' (Bailey, Williams,
Laswell) which I do not have, I am completely confused as to how it
could sound even remotely similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.
Comments?

May it also be noted that I do not like 'The Arc Of The Testimony' a bit
and would be interested in selling it or trading it. It is a promotional
copy (though I did not get it free).

listening to: Alvin Lucier 'Music On A Long Thin Wire'

            -Tom Pratt

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Arcana
Date: 19 Jan 1998 17:11:18 -0500

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:

    Tom> I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The
    Tom> Testimony' and just by looking at the personel on 'The Last
    Tom> Wave' (Bailey, Williams, Laswell) which I do not have, I am
    Tom> completely confused as to how it could sound even remotely
    Tom> similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.  Comments?

You're right, it doesn't.  The musicians in common are Laswell and
Williams, but it would appear that the Arcana project was for these
two to explore various possibilities.  I actually like the second one
better than the first, it has more variety and more color, and I find
the general intensity of the album exhilarating.


---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Arcana
Date: 19 Jan 1998 14:12:58 -0800

At 04:12 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote:
>I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The Testimony' and
>just by looking at the personel on 'The Last Wave' (Bailey, Williams,
>Laswell) which I do not have, I am completely confused as to how it
>could sound even remotely similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.
>Comments?

Bill uses band names to indicate a "center" rather than a specific lineup
or a specific sound.  Thus, Material is generally a Bill thing, with stuff
he plays bass on (_The Third Power_) being a somewhat accidental exception
to this, Praxis is Buckethead and whoever, ... , and Arcana was a band
built around Tony Williams.

_Arc of the Testimony_ and _The Last Wave_ don't sound very similar most of
the time.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 19 Jan 1998 14:24:33 -0800

At 01:24 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Jamie F Graves wrote:
>After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
>I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
>was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
>him what he though of Keltner. I'm sure he was impressed though, I know I
>was. Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
>his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it. I'm very interested in
>any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
>studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
>Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?


Get the *score* to _Trespass_.  The emphasis is because there is a
*soundtrack* that is a collection of hip hop tracks that were in the movie,
whereas the score is Ry Cooder, Jon Hassel, and Keltner.

Also, almost anything Cooder has done for the last twenty years seems to
have Keltner on it, but _Trespass_ is certainly one of the most
interesting.  I also like the score to _Blue City_, but I think that has
been long unavailable, especially because the movie tanked (which it
deserved.)


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Introducing myself, and a comment on Painkiller
Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:58:18

Hello everyone,

I'm new to the list, and pretty new to Zorn. I've got the first Naked City,
the first Film Works, Spillane, and Painkiller's EXECUTION GROUND. I love
'em all. I'll probably get BLACK BOX next. Or THE BIG GUNDOWN. Or both.

I sense a bit of Bali Gamelan in Painkiller. I'm hearing it right now on
the second disk, first piece. It's a four note descent that wavers in the
background. I also hear a kind of Godflesh growl [as on PURE] near the very
end of this same piece.

My other interests include string quartets by Bartok and Shostokovich
[Debussy's, Ravel's, and a couple by Mozart on the way - others planned],
Bach, The Baltimore Consort's take on early Scottish music ["In a Garden so
Green" from 1662 is beautiful], old Cowboy music [done by Michael Martin
Murphy, Don Edwards, Red Steagal], Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk, Benny
Goodman, Frank Zappa, early Black Sabbath, Pantera, Helmet, old acoustic
blues [Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Lonnie Johnson, Leadbelly], Robert
Fripp and King Crimson [THRAK was a big disappointment], and traditional
Asian music. I like the Asian influence in Zorn.

I just finished Ben Watson's book on Zappa [Negative Dialectics of Poodle
Play] and he mentions Zorn more than once, always favorably. Also Last
Exit. He's written under the name OUT TO LUNCH, being a fan of Eric Dolphy,
who I've yet to hear. Nor have I yet heard Ornette Coleman, or even SPY vs
SPY.

For the record - I'm 40, childless and single. Not that having kids or
being married should make an aesthetic difference, but I suspect it would.

Lastly, I'm a drummer who hasn't played in years.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 19 Jan 1998 20:12:54 -0500

Jamie F Graves wrote:

> After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
> I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
> was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
> him what he though of Keltner.

I didn't speak to him after the gig, but before it started he was waxing
enthusiastic about getting to hear Keltner live.  Kenny Wollesen and Ben
Perowsky were two other Downtown drummers who came to check out Keltner.  I
pointed out to Jim that instead of rack toms, all three drums aside from the
floor tom and bass drum were snare drums of various sizes.  Jim mentioned
that that was something he had always considered doing but hadn't had the
guts yet.  Keltner did do a nice job of using various drums as the "main"
snare throughout the night, achieveing a wide variety of effects.  The only
other drummer I've actually seen doing this is Bobby Previte, who uses two
different sized snares in various ways with Latin for Travellers.  He also
had a bank of drum synth pads off to his right, and his floor tom also seemed
to be triggering a synth at times.  He also had such a deeply musical "feel"
to his playing.  It was really impressive.

> Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
> his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it.

I don't know if you stayed for the second set, but Keltner was in general
more forceful and demonstrative (as were Frisell and Krauss, actually), and
really tore it up on "Gone, Just Like a Train," which wasn't played in the
frist set.  There were also serious doses of the old raw edge Frisell sound
on "Egg Radio" and "Lookout for Hope."  I'm mighty glad to have been there,
and mighty glad to have stayed for both sets.

> I'm very interested in
> any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
> studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
> Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?

As Jeff Spirer pointed out, "Trespass" is the most experimental work I know
of, and just a fine record, though it might be hard to find the score as
these things seem to have short shelf lives.  It features Cooder, Keltner and
Jon Hassell.  There's also some fine music from a larger band that includes
Cooder, Keltner, Jon Hassell and a bit of James "Blood" Ulmer on the score
(again, not the pop song collection) from the Wim Wenders film "The End of
Violence."  As for his work as a deep in the pocket rock drummer, the things
that do it best for me are Little Village (Cooder, John Hiatt, Nick Lowe and
Keltner) and yes, I admit it, the Travelling Wilburys.

Now how about someone reporting on the Previte/Zorn/Sharp/Horvitz gig?  Brief
reports I heard from those who came up from the Knit for the late set of
Frisell indicate that it was pretty awesome, but I'd like more detail.  Jody?

Steve Smith
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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Arcana
Date: 19 Jan 1998 20:25:19 -0500

Caleb Deupree wrote:

> >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Tom> I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The
>     Tom> Testimony' and just by looking at the personel on 'The Last
>     Tom> Wave' (Bailey, Williams, Laswell) which I do not have, I am
>     Tom> completely confused as to how it could sound even remotely
>     Tom> similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.  Comments?
>
> You're right, it doesn't.  The musicians in common are Laswell and
> Williams, but it would appear that the Arcana project was for these
> two to explore various possibilities.  I actually like the second one
> better than the first, it has more variety and more color, and I find
> the general intensity of the album exhilarating.
>
> ---

I agree that the second Arcana is most intense.  It is really not like
the first one with Bailey, but I never expected it would be.
Nevertheless, Pharoah Sanders is outstanding and even Buckethead does
some interesting playing. Also listen for the too little heard Byard
Lancaster.

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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn/philharmonic
Date: 19 Jan 1998 20:39:57 -0500 (EST)

I have to go out of town and can't use 2 tickets for New York
Philharmonic playing Zorn this Friday - if anyone is interested, please
e-mail me privately.

David
[e-mail]


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From: IOUaLive1 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:17:26 EST

I caught the Zorn, Sharp, Previte, Horvitz set on Saturday, and it was indeed
great!  Totally improvised, with no break at all in the set.  They played
about 55 minutes, then about a ten minute encore.  Nobody really dominated,
they all shone equally well.  Zorn was really pissed at the beginning when he
walked out and saw an SM57 mic instead of the usual RE20.  For a second, I
thought that if he didnt get the RE20, that he was leaving!  All in all, it
was worth the twelve bucks.  They were recording the show, so maybe some day
everyone will get to hear it.
  I then split for the Bottom Line (as did many others, saw quite a few faces
from the Knit there, including Horvitz).  Frisell was incredible!!  I knew it
was going to be better than the cd, and thank God it was.  Ive only listened
to about 30 minutes of "Gone", and they just seemed to be plodding along..
hardly any soloing at all.  I thought they were trying to torture me.   I'm
sure it will grow on me though, like I said Ive only given it a short listen.
I really respect the subtleties in the music, but when you actually see
Frisell playing live, and you can actually see the little subtleties and
nuances that he does, its *really* beautiful.  And another thing that was
great about it was the volume at which he played.  Many times Ive seen him,
and he plays at a very low volume, but not this time.  I was six feet away
from him, and the volume from his amps (and from the other two guys) was
perfect.  Jim Keltner is the most layed back drummer Ive ever seen.  Among
some of his other tricks I noticed- he had an electronic drum pad near his hi-
hat foot, and when he stepped on it it gave a shaker-type sound.  He used this
near the end of the set.  Also, on a couple of his cymbal stands, he had
something..( I couldnt really see what he was doing) at the end of a couple of
songs he touched the cymbal stand with his hand, and gave off an alarm/ or
bell type of sound.  He was tasteful with his use of gadgets, though.
   After Frisell, I managed to see about 20 minutes of Brad Shepik and the
Commuters at the Bell Cafe.  It was Brad, Mike Sarin, Skuli Sverrisson and
Peter Epstein.  These guys have really gotten tight.  They play there every
Saturday night this month, well worth seeing (and its free!).

Jody

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 20 Jan 1998 00:07:40 -0500

IOUaLive1 wrote:

> I caught the Zorn, Sharp, Previte, Horvitz set on Saturday [snip] All in all, it
>
> was worth the twelve bucks.  They were recording the show, so maybe some day
> everyone will get to hear it.

Maybe they plan to incorporate some of the live material into the disc they're
making for Depth of Field.  They were in the studio a few days earlier.  Someone
suggested to me that the encore material sounded like stuff from Wayne's old band,
the President.

>  Also, on a couple of his cymbal stands, he had
> something..( I couldnt really see what he was doing) at the end of a couple of
> songs he touched the cymbal stand with his hand, and gave off an alarm/ or
> bell type of sound.

That was a bicycle bell!  You're younger than I thought... ;-)

Steve "Grampa" Smith
[e-mail]
Nonesuch spouse and "Official" Panthalassa Flack
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: European Tim Berne Fans Take Note
Date: 20 Jan 1998 00:13:11 -0500

Hi all -

Tim Berne's bloodcount is on its way to Europe for a four week tour
tomorrow, and to commemorate this blessed event, the ISP for my Screwgun
site is playing dead or stupid or something.  So if you need these dates
e-mailed to you privately, just drop me a line.

I definitely plan to have this problem, whatever it is, rectified by the
March No(h)bag tour of the UK and the April Paraphrase tour of the U.S.
Keep watching.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
Screwgun - http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm ...
when it feels like it...


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From: "Thomas Fischer jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: concerts in europe
Date: 20 Jan 1998 11:12:25 +0100

hi there,

I was just wondering if someone can give me some information
about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe (Germany/Suisse/Italy).
are there any links in the www? Thanks.

Second, how is masada8? In germany it is still pretty expensive,
so I would like to know what you think of it, compared to the old
ones - I do like masada7. Is masada9 also available? Comments?

Thomas


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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
Date: 20 Jan 1998 11:20:01 +0100


> I didn't speak to him after the gig, but before it started he was waxing
> enthusiastic about getting to hear Keltner live.  Kenny Wollesen and Ben
> Perowsky were two other Downtown drummers who came to check out Keltner.  I
> pointed out to Jim that instead of rack toms, all three drums aside from the
> floor tom and bass drum were snare drums of various sizes.  Jim mentioned
> that that was something he had always considered doing but hadn't had the
> guts yet.  Keltner did do a nice job of using various drums as the "main"
> snare throughout the night, achieveing a wide variety of effects.  The only
> other drummer I've actually seen doing this is Bobby Previte, who uses two
> different sized snares in various ways with Latin for Travellers.  He also
> had a bank of drum synth pads off to his right, and his floor tom also seemed
> to be triggering a synth at times.  He also had such a deeply musical "feel"
> to his playing.  It was really impressive.

  Also Han Bennink is playing most of the time with 2 snare drums, and
  no toms (except a floortom).

  YVes

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn & d'n'b
Date: 20 Jan 1998 11:23:30 +0100



For those interested in drum'n'bass:
The last track on the "Adventures in Foam"-CD by Cujo (a.k.a.Amon Tobin),
consists almost completely of samples from "Spillane".

YVes


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From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 07:39:14 -0500

Anybody have any idea what Eye or the Boredoms are up to
lately? It seems like its been a while since I've seen anything
by either.

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From: Ulrich Gernert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Angelus Novus
Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:06:26 +0100

Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> I also picked up Alvin Lucier's 'Music On A Long Thin Wire' and Heiner
> Goebbels's 'Black On White' which are both great as well! Adios.
>
>                         -Tom Pratt
>
Last night I saw the Ensemble Modern performing "Black On White" at the
Hebbel Theater in Berlin and yes indeed, its great.

Greetings
Ulrich

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From: Gauthier Michelle A <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 08:47:47 -0500 (EST)

Andy,



The last Boredoms project I have seen is Super Roots 6.  Check it out--
it's really different than any other Boredoms disc.
I know that Super Roots 7 is to be coming out, and I'm pretty sure that
the entire Super Roots series was meant to go to 10.

Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called _5:
We Are 0:00_.  It's pretty cool.

UFO or Die has some recent stuff out (another project), and Yoshimi P-We
has also released a couple things....

M


> Anybody have any idea what Eye or the Boredoms are up to
> lately? It seems like its been a while since I've seen anything
> by either.
>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:43:38 +0100

Michelle wrote:

> The last Boredoms project I have seen is Super Roots 6.  Check it out--
> it's really different than any other Boredoms disc.
> I know that Super Roots 7 is to be coming out, and I'm pretty sure that
> the entire Super Roots series was meant to go to 10.

SR6 is almost 2 years old, and SR7 was already announced in the SR6 inner
sleeve. No sign of it yet, though. SR6 was by far the coolest since the original
Super Roots disc.

> Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called _5:
> We Are 0:00_.  It's pretty cool.

How does this compare to the incomparible Hanatarash 4?

> UFO or Die has some recent stuff out (another project), and Yoshimi P-We
> has also released a couple things....

More info wanted, please...

Frankco.


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From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: weird little boy
Date: 21 Jan 1998 00:26:06 +0900 (JST)

Long time ago....

On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:52:31 +0900
"Toru Todate" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I found the information the 2 new Zorn's albums will be released in
> February( in Japan).
> One is called ' Weird Little Boy' from AVANT, the other is 'Masada 9' from
> DIW.
>
> Anybody knows about 'Weird Little Boy'?
>

'Weird Little Boy' is an album wihich contains Dennis Cooper's new songs.
And the members are John Zorn, Mike Pattton, Chris Cochrane,
William Wynant, Trey Spruance.
This album will be released in February 21 (in Japan).


-----------------------
Katsuhiro Hayasaka
[e-mail]
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From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Avant New Releases
Date: 21 Jan 1998 00:26:09 +0900 (JST)


'Dying Ground' (Avant-076)
Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds)

'???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067)
Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings.

Both will be released in January 21(in Japan).

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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Avant New Releases
Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:09:44 +0100

what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the
list recommend?
I saew him live at the last Taktlos festival with Death Ambient and
he was just _awesome_ (unfortunately Plotkin was no match to Frith IMHO)

I really just have
201 - DEATH AMBIENT: Kato Hideki, Ikue Mori, Fred Frith
1995 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7207 (CD)


Stephane

At 00:26 21.01.98 +0900, Katsuhiro Hayasaka wrote:
>
>'Dying Ground' (Avant-076)
>Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds)
>
>'???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067)
>Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings.
>
>Both will be released in January 21(in Japan).
>
>-----------------------
>Katsuhiro Hayasaka
>[e-mail]
>-----------------------
>
>-
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Zorn & d'n'b
Date: 20 Jan 1998 09:01:36 -0800

>For those interested in drum'n'bass:
>The last track on the "Adventures in Foam"-CD by Cujo (a.k.a.Amon Tobin),
>consists almost completely of samples from "Spillane".
>
>YVes
And one track, "Paris, Streatham", uses samples from Ry Cooder's "Paris,
Texas" soundtrack, thus furthering the Zorn->Frisell->Keltner->Cooder
connection recently discussed here.

And it's a cool CD too.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
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From: Matt Moffett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 13:29:59 -0500

Eye also put out an album with Ween about a year or so ago.  If memory
serves you could only get it off the web...I'll have to ask my friend
who has it where he got it.  It's been a little while since I've heard
it, but it's really more of a Ween album than Eye (meaning somewhat
psychedelic, traditional song structures), but still lots of fun...

Matt


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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kato Hideki
Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:31:38 -0500

Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>
> what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the
> list recommend?

I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with
Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn
playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the
whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very tribal
feel too it. It's really quite good!

He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the
Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now. I was told by
someone that he would have a duo album out soon with Calvin Weston but I
haven't seen anything yet.

            -Tom Pratt

(I have a few discs for sale/trade by Percy Jones Ensemble, Billy
Harper, Brotzmann/Laswell, Pat Metheny, Einheit/Brotzmann and George
Colligan Trio. Let me know if you're interested.)

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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 16:05:02 PST


>> Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called
_5:
>> We Are 0:00_.  It's pretty cool.
>
>How does this compare to the incomparible Hanatarash 4?
>
Not so great, IMHO. The music on Hana 5 is actually pre- Boredoms and
Hanatarash proper;  its released as Hanatarash because thats now the
name for all Eye's solo releases. Basically, 5 is one long track of
analogue synth noodling; and pretty pedestrian stuff at that. Fine if
you're an analog nut or Eye completist - but lacking the kind of
inspired lunacy that makes something like Hanatarash 4 so great.

Eye did some remixing last year; I'm too lazy to chase up the details,
but he had a track on a techno compilation distributed by Japan O/S -
you might find it in an old catalogue.

I think he's also released some stuff as the Noise Ramones (a 12"?), and
his work with Shinro Ohtake is apparently pretty great.

>More info wanted, please...
>


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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kato Hideki
Date: 20 Jan 1998 16:16:14 PST


>Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>>
>> what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on
the
>> list recommend?
>
>I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with
>Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn
>playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the
>whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very
tribal
>feel too it. It's really quite good!

Yeah; this one is excellent. Very delicate sound, not so strident as a
lot of the Japanoise stuff.
>
>He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the
>Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now.

Pretty sure this one is distributed by the Tellus cassette people in NY.

Also: I wholly endorse 2 releases with Kato among a cast of stellar
players: eponymous discs by Ground Zero and Peril. A couple years old
now, but no less great for that.

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From:    [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:58:51 -0500

"John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think he's also released some stuff as the Noise Ramones (a 12"?)

Anyone know any more about this?

>and his work with Shinro Ohtake is apparently pretty great.

Yes, both Puzzle Punks discs from '96 are excellent, especially "Budub"
IMO.  "Budub" is on Time Bomb (also as a picdisc LP) and should be
available from Forced Exposure and elsewhere.  Electronic bleepery, drone
& other sonic weirdness, some of it reminiscent of Ohtake's early 80's
19/Juke material (4 CDs also on Time Bomb, or as a box set with an extra
3" I believe) as well as various old-school industrial noodlings.
"Pipeline: 24 Smash Hits By 24 Puzzle Punk Bands" is on a label called
UCA and is not as readily available.  It comes with a huge 60+ page tour
diary by Eye (all in Japanese) that features Shinro's excellent artwork
(the sleeve for "Valis II" f.e. which features the Eye/Shinro track "Hip
Hop Pooray 19-Poo-96" from "... Smash Hits ...") and photos of the pair
recording in various "studios" with all their equipment and Eye's
extensive toy collection, as well as pix of them in various Japanese
locales, and tons of weird cutups/collages of porn, cartoons, comics,
appliances, newspaper clippings etc.

Other recent/semi-recent Eye outings to note (if people don't
already know about them) would be:

Eye/Minga - "Eye Love Minga" heartshaped picdisc LP (Japan O/S)
... already into it's second pressing.

Destroy 2 (Eye/Chew) - "We Are Voice & Rhythm Only" 3" CD (Japan O/S)

MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse (Eye/Otomo) 3" CD (Blast First) and 5" CD
(Japan Overseas) ... both excellent, both only 20 minutes.

Boredoms/Ween - "Z-Rock Hawaii" CD (N.G.)

Eye was also involved with Japanese hip-hop wierdo's Audio Sports at
one point (check some of the old Japan O/S catalogs to find their
discs), and I have heard (more so last year) that he occasionally DJs
at clubs where he's been known to spin and mix various techno oddities.
He also recently did a few techno-ish remixes (as another list member
mentioned) for various artists, some of which have been released
(a Flare 12" f.e.) ...

Yoshimi has been involved in her OOIOO project, with a debut 12"
called "00800" on Time Bomb, followed by a full-length LP, if I'm
not mistaken.  Strange "Neo New Wave" as Japan O/S describes them.
Of course there's also the new Free Kitten LP "Sentimental Education"
and We/DJ Spooky remix 12", both on Wiiija.

I'm sure I've missed something, but hey ...


-Patrick




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From:    [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:57:16 -0500

Matt Moffett <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Eye also put out an album with Ween about a year or so ago.  If memory
>serves you could only get it off the web...I'll have to ask my friend
>who has it where he got it.  It's been a little while since I've heard
>it, but it's really more of a Ween album than Eye (meaning somewhat
>psychedelic, traditional song structures), but still lots of fun...

Yes.  It's called "Z-Rock Hawaii" and it should be available from any
good record stores, not just off the web.  It's on the Nipp Guitar (N.G.)
label out of L.A. (Nipp 12142J CD), and your description of it being more
of a Ween album is pretty much on point.  This album was actually just
reviewed in the Nov. '97 issue of the Wire (Jim O'Rourke cover) for anyone
who wants to read more.


-Patrick



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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: concerts in europe
Date: 21 Jan 1998 00:50:42 -0500

Thomas Fischer jr. wrote:

> I was just wondering if someone can give me some information
> about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe
(Germany/Suisse/Italy).
> are there any links in the www? Thanks.

Tim Berne's bloodcount is in Dresden Wednesday night (probably tonight
as you see this message), with dates in Torino, Lausanne, Genova and
Mainz coming up.  Check out the Screwgun site, which is working as of
Tuesday afternoon and as of a minute ago:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/livedate.htm

One more great resource is the Europe Jazz Network website at
http://www.ejn.it/
This is a network of promoters and presenters, and you'll find some
pretty comprehensive material if you look around for a while.  I'd
especially recommend checking out the section dedicated to Saudades
Tourneen ( http://www.ejn.it/saudades/ ), since they're the promoter
that books the most tours in the category you describe -- everything
from Zorn to Kronos, including Frisell, Berne and others.  Right now you
can check out listings for tours planned by Steve Coleman and Five
Elements, Wayne Horvitz's Four Plus One Ensemble, a new Fred Frith
Project with Chris Cutler and Lesli Dalaba (!), a Dave Douglas Sacntuary
tour, a Zorn "modern chamber music" tour, a Mike Patton / Han Bennink
tour, even a 1999 reunion tour by Bobby Previte's "Bump the Renaissance"
band.  Definitely a groovy resource for European lovers of modern jazz.
They do more mainstream stuff, too, which Tim has told me makes them
even better for booking tours for lesser known or avant garde acts - the
presenter knows he can't screw around with a smaller band or he ain't
gonna be offered a Diana Krall or a John  Scofield...!

Steve Smith
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From: Brian Whitman <[e-mail]>
Subject: panthalasssa
Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:23:33 -0500 (EST)


I am assuming Pantahalassa is the name of that Laswell does Pangea/Agartha
thing. Is it out? What label if so?

Brian Whitman
[e-mail] - http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman
MMW: http://www.netspace.org/mmw   JMP: http://www.netspace.org/jmp
"Slothrop (peering): You, Never? (A pause.) Did the Kenosha Kid?"


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Avant New Releases
Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:46:29 -0500

katsuhiro hayasaka wrote:

> 'Dying Ground' (Avant-076)
> Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds)

Pretty fascinating, as I sit here listening to it (and I'm only up to
the fourth track).  First impression was Pain Killer with a power tool
replacing Zorn.  But it ain't that dubby, just that colossal at first.
But track four is something different... real explicitly in the mode of
Miles Davis circa '73, including organ and tabla.  Eyvind's phrasing
early on is very much in a Miles bag, just little stabs and squiggles,
really, and Kato plows a pretty hypnotic Henderson-style bass groove.
But later Weston starts sounding a lot like Cobham wailing across the
toms, Kato starts to go out with the bass and Kang does some more fluid
playing... obviously a lot to hear here, so for right now I'll recommend
it to the already converted and reserve broader judgement for later.

> '???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067)
> Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings.

Title is "Paniots 9" and it's archival material, mostly Maneri's
rejected 1963 demo for Atlantic, made when Gunther Schuller was pushing
the label to record Maneri.  The last track is a longer duet from the
'80s with clarinet and piano.  I haven't heard it yet, but this release
was curated by Harvey Pekar, Zorn fan, Jazziz record reviewer and
creator/writer of the incredible comic "American Splendor."  Harvey
knows more about jazz than I ever will.  (Those who are interested can
find a comic book collecting many of his jazz-related strips, including
one on Maneri, in comic shops right now.)

These are three other recent and upcoming Avants I received last week
and today:

054    Pieces (Buckethead and Brain) - "I Need 5 Minutes Alone"
062    Drums of Death (Ashanti and Ewe Funeral Music of Ghana)
073    EasSide Percussion (Michael Evans, Christine Bard & Jim Pugliese)
- "ESP"

Some of these may have been released yesterday.  The others are going to
be released in February.  That's when Masada 9 is due.  I'll try to find
out what's what among the others.

Track seven, and I still like the Dying Ground disc.  Noise is good.

Steve Smith
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: A note about Zorn's New York Philharmonic premiere
Date: 21 Jan 1998 02:04:32 -0500

This is for anyone who's considering shelling out the big bucks for New
York Philharmonic tickets later this week to hear the premiere of Zorn's
piece "Orchestra Variations" --

1. If, when you order tickets you mention the word "Zorn" as your
ordering code, you can get orchestra level seats for $25 each instead of
the usual price which is a whole lot higher.  They won't ask -- you have
to mention it.  And in my opinion this is a real deal for this program -
Slatkin conducting Copland is always a treat, and I've heard only good
things about Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto - Schwantner
specializes in very colorful and dynamic orchestral writing, even if
it's still pretty conservative by modern standards.

2. The piece is six minutes long, if that influences your financial
thinking.  I ran into Zorn earlier this evening at the Knit - he
indicated that he's extremely pleased with the way the orchestra is
playing his piece judging from that morning's rehearsal, but also
indicated its length - "It's only six minutes... it's a quickie, don't
go expecting too much."  I nevertheless expect that he's packed that six
minutes with worthwhile noise.  Let you know Thursday night.

3. And if we're really lucky, Slatkin will call the composer of the
premiere to the stage and we'll get to gauge the reaction of the typical
NYPO subscriber to the longhaired weirdo in the leather jacket and
camouflage pants (he'll definitely be at the opening night performance
and this IS standard practice at a premiere...). ;-)

Steve Smith
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: concerts in europe
Date: 21 Jan 1998 02:45:29 -0500

Steve Smith wrote:

> [Saudades does] more mainstream stuff, too, which Tim has told me makes
> them
> even better for booking tours for lesser known or avant garde acts - the
> presenter knows he can't screw around with a smaller band or he ain't
> gonna be offered a Diana Krall or a John  Scofield...!

I just read my own post and found it unclear, so to rephrase/reiterate:  Tim
thinks it's a good thing that Saudades also handles big mainstream bookings
because it makes the venues Saudades works with less likely to go back on
the deals they make with little known or avant garde artists if they know
that by doing so they are jeopardizing their chances to be offered a more
mainstream booking that might be a real cash cow.

Over'n'out, I'm toast,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: M.Ho <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: evan lurie
Date: 21 Jan 1998 8:56:56 EST

I obtained Happy? Here? Now? and Pieces for Bandoneon over the
internet through CDNow.com
There are arrangements of Lounge Lizards tunes he wrote for
on Happy?...Same lineup as Selling Water.  Pieces for Bandoneon are
duets between him and the bandoneon player from the other albums.
_Mary

>
> ..from Mark Corroto, Mary, & Patrice comes word that Even Lurie
> contributed scores or songs to at least the below three films....
>
> Johnny Stecchino  (Italian ...)
> Office Killer  (new... Cindy Sherman)
> Trees Lounge (Steve Buschemi)
> --------------------
> Happy? Here  Now? (Crepuscule Records)
> Il Mostro (?)
> Pieces For Bandoneon (Les Disques ...)
> Selling Water by the Shore (Antilles)
>
> I can recommend the Trees Lounge soundtrack (the films a renter...) and
> "Selling Water by the Shore" which is excellent.  I am, along with others,
> on the hunt for the other titles - there is enough here for a Tzadik archival
> compilation I would think...
>
> -=Bob=-
>
> -
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 21 Jan 1998 10:44:26 -0500 (EST)


>Yoshimi has been involved in her OOIOO project, with a debut 12"
>called "00800" on Time Bomb, followed by a full-length LP, if I'm
>not mistaken.  Strange "Neo New Wave" as Japan O/S describes them.

I have a cd of _00800_, at least I think it's that, the title looks more
like two horizontal infinity signs (the "00"'s with a vertical one in the
middle (the "8"), but it's on Polystar Japan.  I don't see a TimeBomb
label.  Do I have the full length (it's around 30minutes long) or the 12"?
Hum?  Anyway, it was fabulously expensive ($28) and I only bought it cause
it looked like a double cd (it's in a clear case and the circular cardboard
backing looks like another cd).
It's pretty good though.  Confirmed Boredoms fans will like it; others
should well be put off by the expense.  Style wise I'd say it triangulates
the difference between Free Kitten, Boredoms proper and _super roots 6_
Bore.  Off-hand in a Free Kitten way, but not as archly "hip"; rocking and
full in a Boredoms way, but not at loud and crashing; "techno aware" like
_super roots 6_, but not as skeletal.



>Of course there's also the new Free Kitten LP "Sentimental Education"
>and We/DJ Spooky remix 12", both on Wiiija.
>

The 12" is repeated on the album, on Kill Rock Stars in the USA.  I think
its a much better album than the last cause Kim and Julie keep the "we're
realy hip and cool and sarcastic" stuff to a minimum and just play.
Yoshimi seems pretty absent here though.

All of which brings up the question, will we ever see a Boredoms proper
album again?  _Super Roots 6_ was ok, but too skeletal and sketchy to
really excite me.  Are they done with straight rocking?

matt


------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: panthalasssa
Date: 21 Jan 1998 08:08:11 -0800

At 01:23 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Brian Whitman wrote:
>
>I am assuming Pantahalassa is the name of that Laswell does Pangea/Agartha
>thing. Is it out? What label if so?

Sony, March 10.  Not Pangea/Agartha, mostly centered around On the COrner.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kato Hideki
Date: 21 Jan 1998 10:05:27 -0800


On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:31:38 -0500  Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
> >
> > what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the
> > list recommend?
>
> I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with
> Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn
> playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the
> whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very tribal
> feel too it. It's really quite good!
>
> He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A Bass Army record has been reissued on Tellus. But I just learnt that Tellus
(and ?What Next?) does not exist anymore. Anyway, OO Disc is supposed to take
care of distributing the defunct labels.

There is also this one:


036 - KARADA WA OTO O DASU MONO: Bass Army

    1994 (?) - Trigram (Japan), TR-P 907 (CD)


Not sure if it is the same reissued on Tellus.

> Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now. I was told by
> someone that he would have a duo album out soon with Calvin Weston but I
> haven't seen anything yet.
>
>             -Tom Pratt
>
> (I have a few discs for sale/trade by Percy Jones Ensemble, Billy
> Harper, Brotzmann/Laswell, Pat Metheny, Einheit/Brotzmann and George
> Colligan Trio. Let me know if you're interested.)
>
> -
>


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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: some david torn live stuff
Date: 21 Jan 1998 13:10:55 -0500

This was posted on the loopers delight mailing list.

------- Start of forwarded message -------
hey, y'all.
since i don't play 'live' too often, methought to letcha know of some upcoming
appearances--- (looping being moot, here, in my ittybitty world):

2/11, nyc: w/ryuichi sakamoto, dj spooky et orchestre chambre @ the world
financial center (marking the release of rs' cd, "discord", on sony classics).
(pretty much ambient-style "looping only", hardly any guitar stuff involved).

2/27, l.a.: i'm giving a 'master' (!hah!) class @ california institute of the
arts.

3/1, l.a.: solo concert @ mccabes, in santa monica.

3/10, nyc: trio performance w/elliott sharp & vernon reid @ the knitting
factory.

4/6-20, japan/usa: w/tony levin, bill bruford & chris botti @ various joints
(letcha know when we do: yeah), playing the stuff from tony's upcoming CD.

maybe seeya &
all best, dontcha know:
david torn
------- End of forwarded message -------

---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:some david torn live stuff
Date: 21 Jan 1998 18:48:22 UT



> This was posted on the loopers delight mailing list.

What is the loopers delight mailing list, and what is the email address?

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From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Peter Epstein
Date: 21 Jan 1998 13:06:13 -0600 (CST)

So I've noticed Peter Epstein name pop up on this list more than a couple
of times lately, for the most part in reference to his work wih Brad
Shepik's group The Commuters and the excellent accompanying album, 'The
Loan'.

My question is this:  Has anyone heard anything of a recently released
album by the Peter Epstein Quartet called 'Staring at the Sun'?  I'm under
the impression that the lineup is Epstein on various saxophones, Jamie
Saft on accordion and organ, Chris Dahlgren on bass, and Jim Black on
drums.  I'm quite a fan of all of these guys individually (Saft plays with
Bobby Previte pretty much nonstop and has released a lovely record on
Avant with trumpet guy Cuong Vu, Dahlgren I haven't heard except his very
nice Enja record 'Slow Commotion', and Jim "Mr. Ubiquitous" Black
obviously needs no introduction to this list).

My interest in these players (as well as my newfound accordion
fascination) has gotten me pretty curious about this record, if anyone
has any impressions of it or so on, I would be delighted to hear them.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Zorn-speak...


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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: some david torn live stuff
Date: 21 Jan 1998 14:10:40 -0500

>>>>> "peter" == peter risser <[e-mail]> writes:

    peter> What is the loopers delight mailing list, and what is the
    peter> email address?

A mailing list devoted to making music via loops.  Mostly gearheads
and technical discussions, very occasional discussion of available
recordings by loopers.  Interested parties should check out
http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html for more info.





---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kato Hideki
Date: 21 Jan 1998 17:24:19 -0500

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> ...There is also this one:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 036 - KARADA WA OTO O DASU MONO: Bass Army
>
>     1994 (?) - Trigram (Japan), TR-P 907 (CD)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Not sure if it is the same reissued on Tellus.

Probably not because 'Karada Wa Oto O Dasu Mono' is listed in the
January '98 Forced Exposure Catalog (indicating Trigram as the label).

            -Tom Pratt

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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 13:08:41 +0100 (MEZ)

please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer please
contact me privatly..
well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

thanx

BJOERN

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From: Corey Marc Fogel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 05:20:53 -0700 (MST)



On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

like....all of them?


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From:    [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 22 Jan 1998 07:29:44 -0500

[e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese) wrote:

>I have a cd of _00800_, at least I think it's that, the title looks more
>like two horizontal infinity signs (the "00"'s with a vertical one in the
>middle (the "8"), but it's on Polystar Japan.  I don't see a TimeBomb
>label.

"00800 (eight)" was a 12" on Time Bomb.  Maybe Polystar (same label
that put out the recent Hanatarash 5 CD) put it on disc ... not sure.

>Do I have the full length (it's around 30minutes long) or the 12"?

I'm thinking you've got the 12", but I'm not positive.  I'm also not
positive that there even was a full-length.  Maybe you've got the 12"
plus extra stuff on a very short "album"?

>Anyway, it was fabulously expensive ($28)

Yup.  That's about what Hana 5 goes for stateside.


-Patrick



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From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:06:09 -0500

BJOERN wrote:

> please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer
> please
> contact me privatly..
> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please
> name
> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????
>
> thanx
>
> BJOERN
>

I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the
top of the list.

Alan


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From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: quintessential Coletrane
Date: 22 Jan 1998 07:23:07 -0700

IT is difficult to depart from ones own experience. My first 'trane album
was Giant Steps. I feel like it was a good jumping off point for me, it
being one of my first jazz records. Actually my first ever jazz record was
Monk and Coletrane live at the .... (can't remember.) This is another one
of the greats as well. Heck, just go out and buy as much Trane as possible.



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From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 09:37:14 -0500

>BJOERN wrote:
>
>> please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer
>> please
>> contact me privatly..
>> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
>> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please
>> name
>> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????
>>
>> thanx
>>
>> BJOERN
>>
>
>I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the
>top of the list.
>
>Alan

In some ways, I would completely agree with this recommendation. Great
stuff, with Eric Dolphy on board as additional catalyst and foil, and you
can hear Trane really reaching, hard, and stretching the boundaries of his
music. Strong, compelling, exciting music. And "John Coltrane at the
Village Vanguard" was my first experience with Coltrane's music that really
stuck for me. Of course, you've got all that and much more in this set.
On the other hand, if you enjoy jazz, you might want to start a bit earlier:
        Coltrane's work with Miles Davis on "Milestones" and, of course,
"Kind of Blue," is not only essential listening IMO, but also provides a
good foundation for grasping the musical ideas that are starting to explode
in the Vanguard sessions. Under Coltrane's leadership, "Soultrane" and
"Blue Train" are important early classics and great music.
        Among the pre-Vanguard Atlantic recordings, "John Coltrane Plays
the Blues" is not to be missed, though "Giant Steps" is officially regarded
as the classic. The others are great too, however.
        Among the Impulse releases, post-Vanguard, two personal faves are
"Coltrane" (with the blue cover) and "Crescent." As for the more far out
stuff towards the end, "Interstellar Space" is especially strong.

Ashley



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From: Saidel Eric J <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:57:29 -0600 (CST)



> > please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer
> > please
> > contact me privatly..
> > well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> > never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please
> > name
> > the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > BJOERN
> >
>
> I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the
> top of the list.
>
> Alan
>

out of lurk mode for a moment ...

The Vanguard set is, of course, fantastic, and well worth picking up,
but it might be a bit much for a starter.  I would start with some earlier
'Trane, either _Blue Train_, some of the music closest to bop that you'll
hear recorded with Trane as a leader, and featuring some great playing
by Lee Morgan and Curtis Fuller, or _Giant Steps_ or _My Favorite Things_
for some seminal playing that shows Trane's evolving sound.  If you can
get ahold of the original live at the Village Vanguard disc, that'll give
you a taste of what the 4CD set is like.

What a wonderful world you're about to enter!

Back into lurk mode ...

- eric

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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:59:20 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

I would say:

A Love Supreme
Giant Steps
My Favorite Things
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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 06:58:05 -0800



>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:
>
>> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
>> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
>> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

>Corey correctly answered:
>like....all of them?

The original A LOVE SUPREME plus the live version recorded in France are a
pair of importance in tracking the Coltrane evolution.

s~Z



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 07:47:52 -0800


On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:06:09 -0500  Alan E Kayser wrote:
>
> BJOERN wrote:
>
> > please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer
> > please
> > contact me privatly..
> > well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> > never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please
> > name
> > the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > BJOERN
> >
>
> I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the
> top of the list.

I would recommend to start with A LOVE SUPREME.

    Patrice.

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From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 09:56:14 -0600

At 01:08 PM 1/22/98 +0100, you wrote:
>please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer please
>contact me privatly..
>well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
>never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
>the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

To hear his ungodly playing at it's finest I'd recommend...

The Complete Village Vanguard Recordings (once again)
A Love Supreme
Miles and Coltrane (late 50's Miles combo lineup)


For the standard studio releases I'd recommend...

My Favorite Things
Giant Steps
Greatest hits (not a bad intro)


For his free jazz works I'd recommmend...

Meditations (my personal favorite)
The Major Works of John Coltrane (this has both versions of Ascension, OM
and another work I can't remember the name of)

my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Nyquist was wrong.


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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:18:49 -0800

>I would recommend to start with A LOVE SUPREME.
>
> Patrice.


And finish with the 4 disc set, LIVE IN JAPAN.

After hearing the originals, you must hear what he does with AFRO BLUE
(38:49'), CRESCENT (54:34'), and MY FAVORITE THINGS (57:19) in 1966. We're
still cathcing up.

s~Z


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From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: More trainspotting of Evan Lurie...
Date: 22 Jan 1998 13:09:37 -0500

I promise no more after this...
... via the IMDB (Internet Movie Database)
Evan Lurie as Composer
( * = soundtracks or songs on soundtracks)
(most others are shorts, tv & film, many Italian...)
1.Office Killer (1997) *
2.Layin' Low (1996)
3.Trees Lounge (1996)  *
4.Phinehas (1995)
5.Mostro, Il (1994) *
     ... aka Monster, The (1994)
6.Salesman and Other Adventures, The (1994)
7.Night We Never Met, The (1993)
8.Johnny Stecchino (1991)  *
     ... aka Johnny Toothpick (1991)
9.Kill-Off (1989)
10.Piccolo diavolo, Il (1988)
    ... aka Little Devil, The (1988)
-=also=-filmography
as Associate Producer  & Writer
1.Hologram Man (1995)
Writer filmography
 1.Hologram Man (1995)
Miscellaneous crew  (fight co-ordinator)
1.Cyborg 3: The Recycler (1995)
Phew - thanks to all the replys and suggestions I received...I'll start tracking
down the CDs I don't have and wait paitently for the Tzadik release.

-=Bob=-

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: films
Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:27:03 -0500

     does anyone know where i can get a copy of any of the films that
zorn has done scores for? also possibly any of the japanese s&m films
that zorn has taken a lot of art from? thanks

[e-mail]


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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane
Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:44:19

A couple years ago I was trying to learn about jazz. I got some Parker and
Monk and liked those. They had an edge. I got a Joshua Redman (don't
remember what - completely forgetable) and Coltrane's "Favorite Things".
Well, the Redman and Coltrane are gone. No edge. I later discovered Zorn
and am now reaching Big Fan status. Even his quiet stuff has that edge.

I heard about Coltrane originally because the guitarist of Helmet said he
was incredible, the greatest. Then I get this CD "Favorite Things" (BMG
club pick) and it's this drippy sweet romantic stuff. Huh? Out the door. I
sang that song when I was in grade school. I figure this can't be
representative of Coltrane. No way. Tell me please it isn't. Because of
that experience he's not up there on my list anymore. Now he's sitting
below Ornette Coleman and Eric Dolphy because these names come up in
relation to Zorn. I haven't heard them either, and I'm hoping they're not
syrup and sweet nothings, which is what jazz too often sounds like, in my
opinion. Despite its "musical depth".

Look, I think Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" is damn close to bubble gum music. I
laughed once in music class during a Haydn string quartet record because it
sounded like all he did was transcribe a symphonie to four instruments and
it was really funny. (It was probably one of his first, when he was still
inventing the form.) I've been known to say that Beethoven's symphonies are
bombastic and overblown (this was years ago - don't hold me to it, I'm just
reminiscing). I like Mozart, but sometimes he should get a little angry,
don't you think? I like the edge of Bartok and Shostokovich, the intimacy
and aggressive compact power of their string quartets. I like Cowboy music.
I like guns and horses and pickups, for that matter, and you'd have to
fight mighty hard to get me in a suit. I like the screech and clatter of
Peking Opera. There is probably no logic to what I like or don't like.
Except I'm looking for that edge. I don't claim musical insight or
aesthetic clarity or socio-political awareness. But that Coleman CD was
like Sunday school put on your loafers (and don't forget the pennies) and
cut your damn hair for Pete's sake kind of stuff.

If Coltrane is incredible (and I'm sure he is - I just had a bad attitude
at the time or made a wrong first choice) tell me what his most on the edge
album is. When I've got a sizable number of Zorn and others, maybe I'll
check him out again. I've still got more Parker and Monk to buy.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Horror Story???
Date: 22 Jan 1998 15:30:37 -0500

So, I've got a PC tech from a local store replacing a power supply on a
broken PC in my office. I'm sitting at my desk across the room. "Hear No
Evil" from Asana is playing (kinda loud). It's about 7 or 8 minutes into
the piece, and he looks over at me and says:
"YANNI?"
"Wh-what???" I say.
"Is that Yanni?" he asks,
"No. Bill Laswell" I reply.
"Oh. Never heard of him"

Later, on his way out he comes over to my desk, picks up the CD case for
Asana, and starts to tell me all about the wonderful special on PBS he
saw over Chrstmas, and how it sounded "just like that stuff that was
on."

Man. Wouldn't it be great if the true innovator got the props that the
mainstream yahoos get. It ALWAYS pissed me off that Paul Simon was
credited with bring 'Afro-Pop' to the US.

Oh well...

-Sean


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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane
Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:44:28 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Doug McKay wrote:

> If Coltrane is incredible (and I'm sure he is - I just had a bad attitude
> at the time or made a wrong first choice) tell me what his most on the edge
> album is. When I've got a sizable number of Zorn and others, maybe I'll
> check him out again. I've still got more Parker and Monk to buy.

Try "Interstellar Space" or "Ascension". Definitely edgier than "My
Favorite Things".

I came in by way of "A Love Supreme", because I was told to listen to it
as minimalism (a lot of the music is derived from a four-note sequence).



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From: Jennifer Roy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joey Baron's Down Home
Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:51:50 -0800

Did you know that Joey Baron has an amazing new album called  Down Home on
Intuition Records On  Down Home,  Joey brings together one of the most
intriguing ensembles:he's brought together some of the best musicians in
jazz and improvised music: Bill Frisell, Arthur Blythe and Ron Carter.
Just recently available in the United States, Down Home is getting rave
reviews from the LA Times to Downbeat.



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Joey Baron's Down Home
Date: 22 Jan 1998 17:08:16 -0600



----------
> From: Jennifer Roy <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Joey Baron's Down Home
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:51 PM
>
> Did you know that Joey Baron has an amazing new album called  Down Home
on
> Intuition Records On  Down Home,  Joey brings together one of the most
> intriguing ensembles:he's brought together some of the best musicians in
> jazz and improvised music: Bill Frisell, Arthur Blythe and Ron Carter.
> Just recently available in the United States, Down Home is getting rave
> reviews from the LA Times to Downbeat.
>
>
> I agree ! ......................Joey should hire you as a PR
person....(just kidding !)

glenn
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>

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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:23:51

At 01:08 PM 1/22/98 +0100, BJOERN wrote:

>well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
>never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
>the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

A tough question.
My pick would probably be _A Love Supreme_ which is generally considered to
be his "classic" release. It's an album of astounding brilliance ... not as
far out as some of the albums which followed, but definitely a step or two
beyond the straight ahead hard bop of the late fifties.

The other essential album is _Ascention_. I'm hesitant to recommend it
because even though it is probably my favorite, it is also not really a
"Coltrane" album as much as a collective improvisation led by Coltrane. It
does, however feature the work of many great musicians, including Pharaoh
Sanders, Archie Shepp and Freddie Hubbard.

Of course, if more traditional jazz is what you're after, you could do much
worse than Blue Train.

off to dig out my copy of _ascention_,
Jesse


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From: [e-mail]
Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:13:45 -0700 MST


Hey All. I'm new on the list. Just saw the post about Coltrane. Yeah "A Love

Supreme" is excellent! You should also check out works by Ornette Coleman.
He
really makes the horn squeal. Great stuff. Bitches Brew by Miles Davis is
also
an intense listen. Just my 2 cents on that. Anybody into Praxis?
I'd love to trade tapes if anybody is interested. Oh yeah, also check out
John
McLaughlin and Carlos Santana's version of " A Love Supreme", it smokes.
Email me if you want to chat at
[e-mail]

I dig all sorts of musick, especially fusion,space-rock,prog,psych,etc etc
Peace......Steve

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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Oxymoron of  the Year
Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:24:35 -0800


Coltrane...No edge.


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:09:02 -0500

BJOERN wrote:

> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i
> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name
> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records????

Bjoern, Bjoern, don't be so hard on yourself.  I'm betting that there aren't
many folks around who got into Coltrane much before age 23, at least not
since Trane was among the living.  I would guess that I was 20-21 myself.
Ain't no disgrace.

Essential Coltrane?  Well, lots of people are going to recommend the new
Village Vanguard box set.  I'm not one of them.  Don't get me wrong, it's
mind altering and essential stuff to the serious fan not just of Coltrane
but of jazz in general.  But four discs with a considerable amount of
repetition could be offputting to the beginner.  Trust me, once you've
absorbed some other stuff you'll find yourself ready for this.

Start with "A Love Supreme."  There exists no other record full of more
simple piety and humility.  It's honest, direct, moving and powerful.  I
just heard it playing in a Tower the other day and was transported all over
again.

You might want to check into earlier material if you're a jazz fan in
general.  "Giant Steps" is typically considered one of those lynchpins of
any jazz collection, and rightfully so.  "My Favorite Things" is notable for
the early emphasis on soprano sax and to triple time modal vamping, a style
to which Coltrane would return again and again ("Greensleeves," "Inchworm,"
"Chim-Chim-Cheree," "Afro-Blue").  "Coltrane Sound" has the early
experiments with multiphonics but these would be better exploited later.
"The Avant Garde" is basically an Ornette Coleman quartet album with
Coltrane filling in for Coleman.  But there's really not a stinker in the
Atlantic batch.

Of other early one-offs (later than his fledgling Prestige dates but prior
to Impulse) there are two in particular to note: "Blue Train" and "Coltrane
Time."  The first is a memorable but very straight-ahead affair with some
great players like Lee Morgan (and the new version comes with alternate
takes and some video clips for CD-ROM), while the second, which by all
rights ought to be fascinating since it's Coltrane's first and only meeting
with Cecil Taylor, is instead stiff and plodding - they don't speak the same
language and not even the great Kenny Dorham can save the day.

The greatest of the "classic quartet" recordings on Impulse (aside from "A
Love Supreme") are "Coltrane" and "Crescent."

And then there's the late period, where Coltrane moved inexorably into the
"New Thing."  Of these, I most highly recommend "Meditations" as the
transitional step on the way out and the logical successor to "Supreme."
Then I'd take the unusual route of recommending "Live at the Village
Vanguard Again" as your intro to the late band, reason being that it's two
full-blown free renditions of two of the most beautiful and melodic tunes of
Coltrane's early days, "Naima" and "My Favorite Things."  If you follow the
band here, then you're ready to follow them out to "Ascension" (only
available as part of a two-CD set with other, lesser material) and "Live in
Japan" (vital and bracing but four CDs long).

You can round off your education with the titanic Coltrane-Ali duets,
"Interstellar Space," and I will also go on the record as saying I think
Coltrane was once again on his way to something new with the recently
released discovery "Stellar Regions."

So, here's my own list:
1. A Love Supreme
2. Giant Steps or My Favorite Things
3. Coltrane or Crescent
4. Meditations
5. Live at the Village Vanguard Again

If you get through 1-3 you are probably right for the Village Vanguard 4 CD
set.  If you get through all five you're probably ready for the entire
catalog.  Whatever the case, I envy your days of discovery ahead.

Steve Smith
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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Horror Story???
Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:12:23 PST


>Man. Wouldn't it be great if the true innovator got the props that the
>mainstream yahoos get. It ALWAYS pissed me off that Paul Simon was
>credited with bring 'Afro-Pop' to the US.
>
In a perfect world.....
It does say something about the world of music as seen through the
mainstream world, though, when someone thinks that the remix on Asana
sounds like Yawni.

SW

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Peter Epstein
Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:35:52 -0500

Tom Benton wrote:

> My question is this:  Has anyone heard anything of a recently released
> album by the Peter Epstein Quartet called 'Staring at the Sun'?

Yes.  It's on the Japanese label M-A and I believe they've recently signed a
deal with Koch for distribution.

> the impression that the lineup is Epstein on various saxophones, Jamie
> Saft on accordion and organ, Chris Dahlgren on bass, and Jim Black on
> drums.

Saft plays only accordion but you're correct otherwise.

>  I'm quite a fan of all of these guys individually (Saft plays with
> Bobby Previte pretty much nonstop and has released a lovely record on
> Avant with trumpet guy Cuong Vu, Dahlgren I haven't heard except his very
> nice Enja record 'Slow Commotion', and Jim "Mr. Ubiquitous" Black
> obviously needs no introduction to this list).

Jamie Saft can name any Bob Dylan tune in two notes (even from boots),
Dahlgren's record is not on Enja but Koch Jazz and its followup is due soon,
and Jim Black is not the Indian of the group.

> My interest in these players (as well as my newfound accordion
> fascination) has gotten me pretty curious about this record, if anyone
> has any impressions of it or so on, I would be delighted to hear them.

The disc is terrific.  The tunes are great, and Bernstein is a very fine young
sax player who's not really outward bound, just a solid melodist in a pomo
world.  He's at least as good on this as on that very fine Shepik record.  Jim
plays with more restraint than usual but is still one of the most distinctive
drummers on the planet.  Saft is a fine keyboardist and this extends to
whatever keyboard he's manning.  Dahlgren is a terrific player who also wrote
the most amazing tune on the disc, "Per."  The rest is catchy originals by
Epstein.  It's catchy, quirky, not especially demanding but plenty rewarding.
And the recording is to DIE for.  It is so crystalline that when I listen on
headphones I start to think that when Jim is playing with his hands I can
recognize each individual finger's sound...  I don't normally sweat sound
quality but this is so good it's surreal... it's the label's trademark, but
sound by itself without good music ain't shit, and this is one of the more
distinguished releases from this extremely weird young label.

Steve Smith
ssmith362sprynet.com


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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane
Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:12:56

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll keep 'em for when I get around to buying
some Coltrane. I want to get some Coleman first, though. On Parker and the
strings: I think I heard some of that. No thanks. Honestly, I hope Coltrane
blows my head wide open. I WANT to find some great intense jazz or jazz
influenced stuff. Zorn is tops right now. But I'm looking for more. I want
shelves of it. I was speaking of disappointments earlier, not eternal
"I know the truth and if you disagree you're a dope" judgements.

Someone asked what Dolphy has to do with Zorn. Beats me. I just came across
his name as a (dead) sax player out there like him. Which makes me think I
should check him out. Am I wrong? (Of course, he doesn't have to have a
smidgeon of a link with Zorn to be worth checking out. Right? But that
wasn't the question.) Actually, now that I think about it, maybe I only
read about him in Ben Webster's book on Zappa. He's mentioned a lot in
there. The album OUT TO LUNCH, for example. I was thinking though that I
came across his name aside from that book, and in connection with Zorn.
Maybe in the archives for this list?

Is there a video series on the history of jazz or even on part of its
history? Sort of like the multivolume history of rock and roll available
now? There should be. I'd love to see it.

Doug McKay
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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: bailey's book
Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:01:22

Today I heard about a book written by Derek Bailey in 1980 in which he
expounds upon his theories of improvised music. Does anyone have any info
about this book, especially who publishes it and weather or not it is still
in print.

thanks,
Jesse


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From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: E#
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:23:51 +0000

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Just a quickie. Anyone interested in exchanging for the following Elliot
Sharp discs before I go and sell 'em?

Amusia
Tocsin
Tectonics

I'm particularly looking for Zorn's Redbird and Arnold Dreyblatt's
Orchestra of excited strings...

Scott Russell

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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: thanx
Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:21:28 +0100 (MEZ)

thanx to all the people out there sending me emails to help me finding
some coltrane stuff for the start...
i dont need anymore emails...got enough...
i guess i`ll start with A LOVE SUPREME...will go to the record store
tomorrow to get my hands on it..

thanx again,,,....

you all rock

BJOERN

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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bailey's book
Date: 23 Jan 1998 07:00:50 -0500

Jesse Simon wrote:
>
> Today I heard about a book written by Derek Bailey in 1980 in which he
> expounds upon his theories of improvised music. Does anyone have any info
> about this book, especially who publishes it and weather or not it is still
> in print.
>
> thanks,
> Jesse
>
> -

That info should be able to be found at
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ so look there.

            -Tom Pratt

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From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bailey's book
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:17:54 -0500 (EST)

At 2:01 AM +0000 1/23/98, Jesse Simon wrote:
>Today I heard about a book written by Derek Bailey in 1980 in which he
>expounds upon his theories of improvised music. Does anyone have any info
>about this book, especially who publishes it and weather or not it is still
>in print.

Actually, a great deal of it is also comments about improvisation from
other folks he knew and interview-like dialogs, including a chapter on The
Composer talking with Zorn. I think it's a very informative book, and it's
to his credit that he tries to be comprehensive, though there is a whole
history of vocal improvised music before 1600 which he doesn't touch on
(but he does refer the reader to an excellent source which, because I've
read that source, contains more information about early improvisation in
music). The book is also very good about sources, and includes a
bibliography.

Plus it was updated in 1992, so I'm positive it's still in print. Here's
the publication information:

    Improvisation: It's Nature and Practice in Music
    Derek Bailey
    Da Capo Press, New York, 1993.
    ISBN 0-306-80528-6

I would bet Amazon.com has it.

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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Oxymoron of the Year
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:58:38 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Schwitterz wrote:

> Coltrane...No edge.

re: oxymoron...

agreed.

b

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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Oxymoron of  the Year
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:35:46 -0600


On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:24:35 -0800 "Schwitterz"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Coltrane...No edge.
>

Oxymoron?  I think that 'no edge' an apt description of someone
who's basically a direct precursor to Kenny G...    <smirk>


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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Oxymoron of  the Year
Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:26:09 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Nathan M Earixson wrote:

> >Coltrane...No edge.
> >
>
> Oxymoron?  I think that 'no edge' an apt description of someone
> who's basically a direct precursor to Kenny G...    <smirk>

It would be for that person. Which makes it still an oxymoron for
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From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nani Nani (or: Does humor belong in music?)
Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:30:29 -0800

I just sat down and listened to my new copy of Nani Nani (Zorn & Eye) and
it struck me how damn funny it was. The second track, "Test Tube", in
particular had me laughing uncontrollably at my desk at work (headphones,
of course.)
This got me thinking about humor in Zorn's work, and Zorn's work with Eye
in particular. It's easy to see the Stalling musical jokes at work -
juxtaposition of wildly contrasting themes, etc. Good example that's
repeated in various places is Zorn playing some generic sax jazz line,
while moans and shrieks in accompaniment.
There's also the little pastiches that pop up to punctuate the chaos (the
NBC call tones on Naked City. )
I know this is wanking, but what the durn?
Has anyone seen any Zorn comments regarding humor in music?

Thank you,

Puddin' Head Jenkins


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From: Coleman Greene <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Doug Mc Kay
Date: 23 Jan 1998 12:39:14 -0500 (EST)

Well Doug,
Like many musicians, Coltrane has different moods/modes for expressing
himself, also has a long progression in the styles he played. (from
jazz-bop-hard bop-free)
'A Few of My Favorite Things' is VERY representative of a certain
vein/period of coltrane, Very melodic, yet pretty commercial, it is
clearly the MOST overplayed radiowise 'Trane number. (i.e. I'ts the only
coltrane song yer grandmother Would'nt change the radio station over.)
If you want some edgy Coltrane, check out Live in Japan, 4 songs, filling
2 albums, Mostly breakneck paced, and Loud, (As Zorn said to me, Besides,
you want it to be LOUD!! (re:sax.))
Or, since that is a pretty pricey CD, just get some Late Coltrane, not
sure when he died, but the later the year, the more aggressive.

And NO, Ornette is NOT drippy, sweet jazz, (Well exc for some of the
Harmelodic Jazz theory stuff he got into later, (even did an album with
Garcia..))  All the ornette Ive heard, Defined Edge, for generations of
jazz musicians to come.
Eric Dolphy, I have no opinion on, as I've never heard Any of his
own compositions, Just heard him with others....

So Straighten Up, check him out again.
I'ts O.K. to hate Fav Things, Many do....

Coleman 'Ornette' Greene....


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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 12:47:58 -0500 (EST)

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Steve Smith wrote:

> The greatest of the "classic quartet" recordings on Impulse (aside from "A
> Love Supreme") are "Coltrane" and "Crescent."

boy, i can't believe that no one has mentioned _impressions._  definitely
my favorite coltrane disc after _a love supreme_.  dolphy and coltrane
kick *ass* all over "india."  which reminds me that fans of dolphy's work
with coltrane should acquiant themselves with _ole_ if not already
familiar.  i know, i know, the title *is* cheesy and if memory serves
correct dolphy plays under a pseudonym on the record (george lane, maybe?),
but trust me it is an overlooked classic.  there's some serious interplay
going on.
maybe the _impressions_ material has been included on the village vanguard
box set.  if so, i'd like to know.

thanks,
b

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 10:30:32 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:47:58 -0500 (EST)  Brent Burton wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> > The greatest of the "classic quartet" recordings on Impulse (aside from "A
> > Love Supreme") are "Coltrane" and "Crescent."
>
> boy, i can't believe that no one has mentioned _impressions._  definitely
> my favorite coltrane disc after _a love supreme_.  dolphy and coltrane
> kick *ass* all over "india."  which reminds me that fans of dolphy's work
> with coltrane should acquiant themselves with _ole_ if not already
> familiar.  i know, i know, the title *is* cheesy and if memory serves
> correct dolphy plays under a pseudonym on the record (george lane, maybe?),
> but trust me it is an overlooked classic.  there's some serious interplay
> going on.
> maybe the _impressions_ material has been included on the village vanguard
> box set.  if so, i'd like to know.

There is one that never gets mentioned and that I love a lot:

    KULU SE MAMA

To me, what makes this record so interesting is the succesful mix of free
playing (as illustrated by MEDITATIONS, LIVE IN SEATTLE, etc), and the
African music. Kind of tribal (ancient) and modern at the same time. Leaves
on me a pretty uncanny feeling.

    Patrice.

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From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:14:48 -0600

At 10:30 AM 1/23/98 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>There is one that never gets mentioned and that I love a lot:
>
>    KULU SE MAMA
>

Where are you guys getting Kulu Se Mama and Ascension???? Are they
available seperately? I only have "the major works of John Coltrane" which
has both versions of Ascension, Kulu Se Mama and OM. I looked a long time
for these albums seperately. Are they even available outside of the set?

Another thing,

I think Dolphy stands out better as a sideman than as a leader. What other
albums does Dolphy play as a sideman on, right now I know of

Trane - Ole
      - Africa Brass
      - Complete VV Recordings

Ornette Coleman
     - Free Jazz

What Mingus albums does he play on? Most of his CD's don't list the lineups
on the outside.

>"YANNI?"
>"Wh-what???" I say.
>"Is that Yanni?" he asks,
>"No. Bill Laswell" I reply.
>"Oh. Never heard of him"
>
I was playing "Ole Coltrane" at work when a co-worker described it as
"relaxing, kinda like Kenny G". I almost hit him.

zube


my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn in the Punk era
Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:46:37

What was Zorn doing during the New York punk scene? I just finished the
book by Legs McNeil and (can't recall her name) called PLEASE KILL ME.
Robert Quine is quoted in there, concerning his work with Richard Hell. I
know Quine worked with Zorn on Spillane. So there's some connection. Is
there more?

I recommend the book. A bunch of junkies fuck up their lives but have a
good time doing it. Interesting reading.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 12:40:53 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:14:48 -0600  JRZ wrote:
>
> At 10:30 AM 1/23/98 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> >There is one that never gets mentioned and that I love a lot:
> >
> >    KULU SE MAMA
> >
>
> Where are you guys getting Kulu Se Mama and Ascension???? Are they
> available seperately? I only have "the major works of John Coltrane" which
> has both versions of Ascension, Kulu Se Mama and OM. I looked a long time
> for these albums seperately. Are they even available outside of the set?

Sure. I have it (KULU SE MAMA) as a separate CD.

> I think Dolphy stands out better as a sideman than as a leader. What other
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I won't comment on that :-).

> albums does Dolphy play as a sideman on, right now I know of
>
> Trane - Ole
>       - Africa Brass
>       - Complete VV Recordings
>
> Ornette Coleman
>      - Free Jazz

The list is very long, but I think about these immediately:

There is THE BODY AND THE SOUL by Freddie Hubbard with a short but
crazy solo from Eric (the one that impressed so much Evan Parker -- and you
can understand why!).

Dolphy is also amazing on STOLEN MOMENTS (a long time favorite) by Oliver
Nelson.

    Patrice.

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From: Tag Yr It <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hard to find Ornette CDs.....
Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:07:12 EST

Excuse the business intrusion all....If anyone on the list would be interested
in Ornette ColemanÆs ôChappaqua Suite,ö a  French double CD, sealed for $25
plus the mailing....please email me privately.....

Thank you.

Dale.

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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:19:14

At 02:14 PM 1/23/98 -0600, JRZ wrote:

>Where are you guys getting Kulu Se Mama and Ascension???? Are they
>available seperately? I only have "the major works of John Coltrane" which
>has both versions of Ascension, Kulu Se Mama and OM. I looked a long time
>for these albums seperately. Are they even available outside of the set?

The best way to get Ascention and Kulu Se Mama is on vinyl. I don't think
ascention has ever been released on cd outside the box set. Old impulse
vinyl isn't usually that hard to track down.
Kulu Se Mama features an excellent track called Vigil which is a fiery duet
between Coltrane and Elvin Jones. Truely incredible, truely impassioned
music. And yes, it has prenty of edge.

>What Mingus albums does [Dolphy] play on? Most of his CD's don't list the
lineups
>on the outside.

Eric Dolphy accompanied Mingus on the historic 1964 european tour. He
stayed after Mingus went home, recorded some albums with Danish (?)
personelle and then died shortly afterwards.

The newly released REVENGE double cd features Dolphy. It is an official
release of the Paris 1964 concert. The first disc features Meditations and
Fables of Faubus as well as two others. The second disc features two songs
each clocking in at about twenty eight minutes. Both are incredible, both
feature really blistering work by Dolphy.

Dolphy also played on Mingus at Antibes (1960 Rhino/Atlantic) and on Mingus
Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1961 Impulse).

Good stuff all around.

Jesse


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From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Re: Coltrane
Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:45:27 -0500

I've heard Coltrane called a lot of things, but "syrup and sweet
nothings" is certainly not one of them. If you're just looking for raw
edge, I'd recomend the four disc  "Live in Japan" from Impulse. I still
have problems listening to this album. It is a series of long, brutally
powerful improvisations, where Coltrane's horn can be likened to a
groaning scream. I've gotten used to Yamatsuka Eye's stuff.  I've never
been able to get comfortable with his playing here. Just about the
definition of edginess. A slightly less grueling album but no less
powerful or "edgy" is Live in Seattle. I'd pretty much say any of his
stuff on Impulse is a good bet, although you don't sound like you'd be
too syked for his Ballads album.

On a side note, your post reminded me that I have to give every musician
people rave about a good chance. My first Miles Davis album was Live
Around the World (I don't know what happened to my copy of that disc...).
If I hadn't stuck with him, I might never have heard Kind of Blue, Miles
Smiles or Pangea.

Jamie

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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dolphy/Laswell
Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:11:51 -0500

The album "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus" is
essential Mingus with Dolphy-it's just Mingus, Dannie
Richmond, Dolphy, and Ted Curson. Wide open, and funky as
hell. Live at Antibes is the same crew +Booker Ervin and
(on one tune) Bud Powell. It cooks hotter, but you should
buy both right away.
Dolphy as leader-Out to Lunch, Iron Man, and Conversations
are awesome, as is the bootleg quintet date with Herbie
Hancock and the Vintage Dolphy set with Gunther Schuller,
etc. The others are worthwhile for Eric's playing, but
often little else. The material on Iron Man and
Conversations has been repackaged a million ways (Alan
Douglas at work!), so it should be easy to find for cheap.

Laswellians-there's a suprisingly lucid conversation with
the man in the new EQ magazine. Lots of gear talk-almost
nothing about Sufi mysticism or the CIA!
--
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Zorn does) Coltrane
Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:19:17 PST

Maybe I cast the net too wide here, but I dearly love the disc of covers
called "Peace on Earth: Music of John Coltrane" (on KFW); Zorn guests on
a couple tracks, and Rashied Ali leads.
>
>I've heard Coltrane called a lot of things, but "syrup and sweet
>nothings" is certainly not one of them. If you're just looking for raw
>edge, I'd recomend the four disc  "Live in Japan" from Impulse. I still
>have problems listening to this album. It is a series of long, brutally
>powerful improvisations, where Coltrane's horn can be likened to a
>groaning scream.

I think that scream would more likely be Pharoah Sanders -Coltrane was
getting pretty sick by then; but yr right - its a great set.

Otherwise; I dunno. I think some of Coltrane's work could easily be
qualified as soft and syrupy, or lacking in edge. But what's wrong with
that? Or are musicians supposed to dedicate themselves to exclusively
making 'edgy', 'horrible', 'noise' (and noise to my granma is syrup to
me). I mean: these values are purely relative after all. And the guy's
been dead thirty years. And I wonder how the wonder-white crew that
lionize something like My Favourite Things, c.1998, would've reacted
towards Ascension way back when...

Anyway: I think Coltrane is fine.

______________________________________________________
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From: "Andrew D. Boyko" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)

Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
Kind Of Blue).

ObZorn: "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands" is really good
and I don't know why it doesn't come up here more often.


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Doug Mc Kay
Date: 24 Jan 1998 02:19:33 -0500

Coleman Greene wrote:

> Eric Dolphy, I have no opinion on, as I've never heard Any of his
> own compositions, Just heard him with others....

Well, sir, run, don't walk, to your local store and pick up "Out to Lunch."
Dolphy made many fine records (and several other merely good records) but
this is one of the cornerstones of adventurous '60s jazz, melodic but
elegantly twisted.  That, and his sometimes seemingly arbitrary intervallic
leaps seem to be echoed in Zorn's own playing sometimes so it's germane to
our little corner of the world here.  It's also a tour de force for young
Tony Williams...

Put it to ya this way: Ornette's quartet music is so songful I "got" it on a
surface level right away (though I'm still digging on the intricacies 15
years later).  "Out to Lunch" *scared* me first time I heard it...

Steve Smith
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dolphy [was Re: COLTRANE]
Date: 24 Jan 1998 02:48:05 -0500

Jesse Simon wrote:

> At 02:14 PM 1/23/98 -0600, JRZ wrote:
>
> >What Mingus albums does [Dolphy] play on? Most of his CD's don't list the
> lineups
> >on the outside.
>
> Eric Dolphy accompanied Mingus on the historic 1964 european tour. He
> stayed after Mingus went home, recorded some albums with Danish (?)
> personelle and then died shortly afterwards.

Notable among these later recordings is "Last Date," which feature the budding
yet already distinctive Misha Mengelberg and Han Bennink.

> The newly released REVENGE double cd features Dolphy. It is an official
> release of the Paris 1964 concert.

From the same tour there are also two officially released volumes recorded in
Germany, simply titled "Mingus in Europe" on Enja, which may be easier to find
in some territories and are of comparable worth.

> Dolphy also played on Mingus at Antibes (1960 Rhino/Atlantic) and on Mingus
> Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1961 Impulse).

"Mingus at Antibes" is for me a high water mark, with its scorching version of
"Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting."  IIRC Dolphy is *not* on "Mingus Mingus
Mingus Mingus Mingus."  He *is* on all four of Mingus's releases on Candid, of
which the most important is "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus," which is
a quartet completed by Ted Curson and Dannie Richmond.  This album rocks.  And
there's a passage in the tune "What Love?" where Dolphy and Mingus toss ideas
back and forth from bass clarinet to string bass in a manner that can only be
called conversational -- sometimes it seems you can even make out the "words"
being spoken.

> Good stuff all around.

Agreed, clearly.

Steve Smith
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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 24 Jan 1998 03:19:13 -0500

Brent Burton wrote:

> boy, i can't believe that no one has mentioned _impressions._  definitely
> my favorite coltrane disc after _a love supreme_.  dolphy and coltrane
> kick *ass* all over "india."  [snip]
> maybe the _impressions_ material has been included on the village vanguard
> box set.  if so, i'd like to know.

"Impressions" did kick my ass early on, too, and it can probably be found used
now more than ever thanks to the box set - bargain hunters take note.  Of its
four tunes, "India" and the title track are both included (in much better sound)
in the new Village Vanguard box set, and "After the Rain" was included in a 1993
disc called "Dear Old Stockholm," which included the complete surviving studio
recordings of the Coltrane quartet with Roy Haynes instead of Elvin Jones.  That
leaves just "Up 'gainst the Wall" unavailable right now (I assume this disc is
out of print but could be wrong), and most of the odds and ends of the catalog
have been included as bonus tracks on chronologically related albums so I'd
count on seeing that track again someday as well.  It's even possible that it's
already available on the new version of "Coltrane" which I don't have yet, but I
couldn't say for sure.

Steve "Talkin' David Wild Blues" Smith
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From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: COLTRANE
Date: 24 Jan 1998 03:47:34 EST


In a message dated 1/24/98 3:22:02 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<That leaves just "Up 'gainst the Wall" unavailable right now (I assume this
disc is out of print but could be wrong), and most of the odds and ends of the
catalog
have been included as bonus tracks on chronologically related albums so I'd
count on seeing that track again someday as well.  It's even possible that
it's
already available on the new version of "Coltrane" which I don't have yet, but
I
couldn't say for sure.>>

You have surmised correctly, Steve; both Big Nick and Up 'Gainst The Wall are
included as bonus tracks on the "Coltrane" reissue.

One thing I'd like to add to the Coltrane discussion is that the recent wave
of remasters on Impulse/GRP is sonically amazing. To my ears, the sound is so
much better than the first wave of Coltrane reissues that I would recommend
avoiding the earlier versions even if they're floating around used and cheap.
The easy way to tell the difference is that the earlier ones are in jewel
boxes while the remastered ones are in cardboard packs. Impulse is currently
in the middle of a program to remaster everything Coltrane did for them, so if
you have a choice, hold out for the new ones.

Jon

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From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: My latest purchases
Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:18:21 -0600

I sorta missed out on the top ten thing, so I thought I'd just throw out my
latest purchases with my initial thoughts and see what others have to say.

1. The Dead C - Tusk:  very interesting stuff.  Sort of like Gate meets KK
Null, or something.  Recommended if you like interesting noise.

2. High Rise - Psychedelic Speed Freaks '84 - '85:  This one is somewhere
between High Rise and Mainliner.  The songs of High Rise done with the
production value (if that's an appropriate term) of Mainliner.  In other
words, loud to the point of total amplifier blowout.  Only recommended if
you like being hurt while you listen, which I sometimes do.

3. Swans - Swans are Dead:  A good capsule of the last years of the Swans.
Disc one is from the final tour in 97 and disc 2 is from 85.  Since I
wasn't able to get a tape of the 97 show, this is a welcome addition to the
collection.

4. The Red Krayola:  So this is what Gastr Del Sol and company sound like
when they aren't in charge.  Actually, I like it quite a bit, but it
definitely has Mayo Thompson's thumbprint on it.  But then again, I'll buy
almost anything that O'Rourke has been involved with.

5. Gary Numan - Exile:  Probably the first album he's put out in years that
I really like.  I've liked a lot of his work in recent years, but
not most of it.  The last entire album I liked was Warriors, and that was
what, 1983?  Oh well.  I guess I'll always be a member of the Tubeway Army.

6. Scorn - Zander:  Mick Harris doing his dub thing.  Like Numan, I guess
I'll always like Harris' stuff, even when it gets a bit repetitive.

7. Masada 7:  Need I say more?

8. Bill Laswell - Sacred System Chapter Two:  I love this.  The mixture of
the subsonic bass with the clarity of the cornet is incredible.  Not to
mention the other sounds and textures.  Recommended.

9. Christian Marclay - More Encores:  Highly Recommended.  What this guy
does with other peoples' work is nothing short of brilliant.  All you have
to do is listen to what he does with Maria Callas' work and you'll forever
be a fan of his abilities.

10. David Shea - Hsi-Yu Chi:  Excellent.  What he does here blew me away.
I've always been a fan of his work, but this piece shows to people (my
friends who think he's just a weird "sampler" guy) that he is very much a
modern composer who knows how to set moods and tell a story with music.

11. Vajra - Sichisiki:  Keiji Haino in one of his bluesiest moments.  Yet
another side to him.

12. Onna-Kodomo - Syuuka:  Bass, Violin, Vocal and some guitar and
percussion.  One of the most ethereal albums I've bought in a long time.
Yuko Hasegawa's voice is incredible, as are the moods that this album
induces.

13. Ground Zero - Plays Standards:  One of the best of the year.  If for no
other reason than it has brought about a whole new interpretation of other
great albums as Massacre's Killing Time and Omoide Hatoba's Kinsei.  I've
played this one so many times that my friends are starting to get annoyed.
I need to find a complete discography of Otomo Yoshihide (although if there
is anything on there that is unavailable, I'll be plenty annoyed).


Anyway, there are a few others, but I haven't had enough time to listen to
them completely yet, such as Lustmord vs Metal Beast, Controlled Bleeding -
The Poisoner, and the compilation Release Your Mind vol. 2.

It's not really fair to call this my top ten of 97, since there were so
many others (and I'm sure not everything can be considered 97 releases),
and there are more than ten on the list, but this is my most recent kick.

By the way, if anyone knows of a good Z'EV disc to start out with, I'd
appreciate the info.

- Currently playing:  Dissecting Table:  Mask  - from Release Your Mind Vol. 2




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From: Age Rotshuizen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane/Coleman/Dolphy
Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:25:34 +0100 (MET)

My recommendations:

Coltrane:
old-Coltrane: Blue Train
middle (=Atlantic) Coltrane: Giant Steps
new Coltrane: A Love Supreme
newest Coltrane: Meditations

Coleman:
The Shape of Jazz to Come
Free Jazz
At the "Golden Circle" Stockholm vols. 1&2

Dolphy:
Live at the Five Spot vols. 1&2
Out to Lunch

Try:
Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra
Charlie Mingus - BLak Saint and Sinner Lady
Charlie Mingus - MingusMingusMingusMingusMingus

Age


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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane with Monk
Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:50:43

Here I was chattering about how I liked Monk and hadn't really heard much
of Coltrane except that one album, and tonight I decided to listen to Monk.
So I take out LIVE AT THE FIVE SPOT and see on it, right there in red: "The
Thelonius Monk Quartet" and below that in smaller letters - "featuring John
Coltrane"!

But then, I'm red/green color blind and that red is damn near invisible to
me. I can't really read what it says unless I get right down there and
stare hard. Geez, can't designers take us color blind guys into account
when they use red or green on their stuff? At least the title's in white,
and there's a picture of Monk on the cover, so I'm not really going to get
very confused and think I'm putting on a Pantera CD or something.

Besides, on the back and on the spine it's just black and white so I should
have known Coltrane was playing on it. There's no excuse for this, I guess.

You people do know about this recording, don't you? It's from a 1957 gig,
and recorded by Coltrane's wife on their mono tape recorder. It's on Blue
Note. CDP 599786

You can hear the audience. Some woman just said something about her drink.


Doug McKay
In Minnesota
Smokin' a stogie, listening to Monk solo on Epistrophy.






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From: Age Rotshuizen <[e-mail]>
Subject: dolphy on mingus
Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:40:41 +0100 (MET)

>What Mingus albums does he play on? Most of his CD's don't list the lineups
>on the outside.

a lot. I know of "Black Saint and Sinner Lady",
"MingusMingusMingusMingusMingus", "Mingus at Antibes",  "Charlie Mingus
presents Charlie Mingus", "Complete Townhall Concert",  "The Great Concert
of Charlie Mingus" - all highly recommended,


Age


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From: "todd furey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane
Date: 24 Jan 1998 08:34:38 -0600



> Is there a video series on the history of jazz or even on part of its
> history? Sort of like the multivolume history of rock and roll available
> now? There should be. I'd love to see it.

There will be in the coming years, I think 2000, is the slated date for a
PBS special.  The same director who did the civil war and baseball
documentaries is working on a ten part series of jazz history.  I was told
it would be a decade by decade approach, the first episode must stretch
farther into the previous century though.

Coltrane Recommendation for avant garde fans, Om, Coltrane recorded this
album under the influence of LSD.  To compare this to My Favorite Things
would be brutal.  Rational thought must be left at the doorstep before
checking this album out.  Great personnel with him:

òMcCoy Tyner piano òJimmy Garrison bass òDonald Garrett bass òElvin Jones
drums òJoe Brazil flute òPharoah Sanderstenor sax


This is coming as sort of an intro for me, I had joined the list about
three weeks ago and have laid back to check out the discussions.  My name
is todd furey and I am a 22 year old student.  I have been studying
American History at the University at Albany, NY.  I have planned on a
career of teaching, to start at the secondary level while I pay off bills
and continue on with graduate work.  I am heavily influenced by early
schools of jazz which I have been listening to for years, recently I have
found an interest in the music of john zorn.    I hope to learn more from
all of you and join in future discussions.  Thank you all
todd furey

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From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn in the Punk era
Date: 24 Jan 1998 09:43:12 -0500

Doug McKay wrote:
>
> What was Zorn doing during the New York punk scene? I just finished the
> book by Legs McNeil and (can't recall her name) called PLEASE KILL ME.
> Robert Quine is quoted in there, concerning his work with Richard Hell. I
> know Quine worked with Zorn on Spillane. So there's some connection. Is
> there more?

        In the late 70's, JZ's "working" group was with Eugene
Chadbourne and Polly Bradfield, and he was beginning to develop his
larger scale game
pieces. The first cross pollination between the free improv and punk
scenes that I remember was the original Golden Palomino's.which in turn
spawned The Locus Solus Trio of Zorn, Lindsay and Fier. This band,
played most of
their concerts at punk rock clubs. Of course, Arto had been in DNA and
Anton had been in The Feelies and Lounge Lizards, but that didn't cut
much with audiences. It was actually quite fun to watch the audience
during these gigs. You'd see everything from stunned silence ,to people
walking out, to shouts of "Bullshit" from club regulars.
        I remember a Material concert at the Kitchen in 1981. Material
at that time, was popular in the punk clubs, and their early EP's were
somewhat in that vein, but when the gig turned out to be
Laswell, Zorn, Sharrock,Frith,Derek Bailey, and Charles Noyes doing free
improvs, they managed to disperse the audience in pretty short order. It
really wasnt until Mr Bungle,Naked City and Painkiller, that Zorn had
much of a following with Rockers.
         The punk scene was, to a certain extent, about fashion, and
these guys were NOT fashionable.


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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Otomo discography (was My latest purchases)
Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:26:22 -0500

At 04:18 AM 1/24/98 -0600, Craig Rath wrote:
>
>I need to find a complete discography of Otomo Yoshihide (although if there
>is anything on there that is unavailable, I'll be plenty annoyed).

Check out http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, which, as I
check this out again, lists a **new Ground Zero** album (pardon me while I
foam at the mouth...  there, I feel better now), actually a live Cassiber
album with one of two disks remixed by Ground Zero.  Anyway, lots of other
Otomo info here, part of a Japanese free improvisers site.

Oh yes, prepare to be plenty annoyed.  Patrice's discography lists over 80
items and stops in April 1997.


--
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Material in the Punk era
Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:35:02 -0500

At 09:43 AM 1/24/98 -0500, Rich Williams wrote:

>        I remember a Material concert at the Kitchen in 1981. Material
>at that time, was popular in the punk clubs, and their early EP's were
>somewhat in that vein, but when the gig turned out to be
>Laswell, Zorn, Sharrock,Frith,Derek Bailey, and Charles Noyes doing free
>improvs, they managed to disperse the audience in pretty short order.

There's a complete live Material concert on DIW-389 that has a similar
lineup, Laswell, Beinhorn, Frith, Noyes, David Moss, and Mark Miller,
recorded at Soundscape on October 16, 1981, sounding much like free improv.
 An interesting footnote to the whole Material experience, very percussion
heavy and not especially well recorded.


--
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Material in the Punk era
Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:00:14 -0500

Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> At 09:43 AM 1/24/98 -0500, Rich Williams wrote:
>
> >        I remember a Material concert at the Kitchen in 1981. Material
> >at that time, was popular in the punk clubs, and their early EP's were
> >somewhat in that vein, but when the gig turned out to be
> >Laswell, Zorn, Sharrock,Frith,Derek Bailey, and Charles Noyes doing free
> >improvs, they managed to disperse the audience in pretty short order.
>
> There's a complete live Material concert on DIW-389 that has a similar
> lineup, Laswell, Beinhorn, Frith, Noyes, David Moss, and Mark Miller,
> recorded at Soundscape on October 16, 1981, sounding much like free improv.
>  An interesting footnote to the whole Material experience, very percussion
> heavy and not especially well recorded.
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> [e-mail]
> [e-mail]
>
> Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
> -- Pablo Picasso
>
> -
There's also the 'Improvised Music, NY 1981' cd on Mu. That's
essentially a Material CD.
Laswell
Sharrock
Bailey
Frith
Zorn
Noyes.

Not sure if you can get it any more as Mu seems to no linger be in
existance.

-Sean

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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn in the Punk era
Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:08:04 -0500

Rich Williams <[e-mail]> sez:

>The first cross pollination between the free improv and punk
>scenes that I remember was the original Golden Palomino's.which in turn
>spawned The Locus Solus Trio of Zorn, Lindsay and Fier. This band,
>played most of
>their concerts at punk rock clubs. Of course, Arto had been in DNA and
>Anton had been in The Feelies and Lounge Lizards, but that didn't cut
>much with audiences.

Great discussion!  Arto played in the Lounge Lizards also while Anton was
there.  As for the Golden Palominos, there was also Bill Laswell and Prime
Time's Jamaaladeen Tacuma playing with them- what an amazing band that was.
 Just to make things confusing, The Lounge Lizards were originally going to
be called the Golden Palominos.  Your point about free improv and punk
coming together here is dead on- that was really ground zero for the whole
meeting of these styles.  I'm sure a lot of people were thrown off by the
whole thing then and I would have loved to see that.

>         The punk scene was, to a certain extent, about fashion, and
>these guys were NOT fashionable.

Lots of arguments to be made here but you're right in a sense- that scene
(like any other) had more than its share of poseurs.

Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
[e-mail]
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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dolphy [was Re: COLTRANE]
Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:11:59

At 02:48 AM 1/24/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> IIRC Dolphy is *not* on "Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus."

My mistake. Most of my CDs and records are in boxes due to an impending
move, so I couldn't actually check out the personelle on Mingus Mingus etc.
I thought I remembered Dolphy doing the clap-solo on Better Get it in Your
Soul, but I can't be certain.

I am pretty sure that Dolphy plays on Mingus' Town Hall Concert album. In
Epitaph Part I, there's that section where the saxophone and bass have a
bit of dialogue and I've always thought that was Dolphy. But I could be wrong.

Jesse


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: PBS / Burns doc. about jazz?
Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:13:13 -0700

Todd Furey worte:
>There will be in the coming years, I think 2000, is the slated date for a
>PBS special.  The same director who did the civil war and baseball
>documentaries is working on a ten part series of jazz history.  I was told
>it would be a decade by decade approach, the first episode must stretch
>farther into the previous century though.

Is this true?  I hope not.  While I liked a bit of the Civil War
documentary, I found it over-rated.  I thought the baseball one was
tedious and the Lewis & Clark  downright unwatchable.   I know  he is
finishing up one on architecture that may or may not be mostly about
Frank Lloyd Wright.   The Civil War may be slightly interesting,  what
(very) little interest baseball held for me was sucked right out by Ken
Burns' doc. and I will now never look more into the lives and travels of
Lewis & Clark...  But Wright was the MAN, and if Ken Burns makes his
life and work as boring as everything else he has done it will be a
travesty.

 Now (back to the subject) JAZZ!?  Whoever did the sprawling rock one at
least was interesting (I know Robert Palmer played a fairly big part in
it, but probably won't be as active in the jazz series what with his new
lighter schedule and all)  I pray it is the Rock guy and not Ken Burns.
Either way, it is something that if done well could be really
illuminating; I wonder how much video footage there is of guys like
Miles (earlier Miles; before he was covered in sequins and shades like a
a cross between Judge Dredd and Liberace) Mingus, Coltrane...  I bet a
lot; but Ken Burns will probably just pan around photos from old LPs and
not even gather any MOVING footage.  Or the earlier guys; Ellington and
Basie who I believe appeared in a lot of feature films of their day
playing their music.

 Icertainly haven't seen much about them though; which is why a
sprawling doc would be great;  Seems like something I would rather let
the big boys at BBC handle though; they always do a much better job it
seems than us surface-scratchin' Americans.   I'd also be very
interested (naturally) in seeing how a documentarian covering the full
scope of jazz would treat (or mistreat, or completely ignore) John
Zorn.  In case there are any other doc. buffs out there, there is an
Austrian film from 1993 about the life of James Ellroy playing in L.A.
in a couple of months.  And Frederick Weissmann's latest - Public
Housing - has been on PBS in the past month or so.

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From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Dolphy [was Re: COLTRANE]
Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:24:02 -0500

>At 02:48 AM 1/24/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>> IIRC Dolphy is *not* on "Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus."

>My mistake. Most of my CDs and records are in boxes due to an impending
>move, so I couldn't actually check out the personelle on Mingus Mingus etc.
>I thought I remembered Dolphy doing the clap-solo on Better Get it in Your
>Soul, but I can't be certain.
>
>I am pretty sure that Dolphy plays on Mingus' Town Hall Concert album. In
>Epitaph Part I, there's that section where the saxophone and bass have a
>bit of dialogue and I've always thought that was Dolphy. But I could be wrong.
>
>Jesse

Actually, Jesse, your memory is pretty good and Steve's mistaken. Dolphy is
most definitely on MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS on all but 2 of the 7
original tracks, plus he appears on the CDs bonus track.

Ashley



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From: Paul Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dolphy [was Re: COLTRANE]
Date: 25 Jan 1998 08:42:32 +1100

Hi, I checked out the discography in the back of Brian Priestley's "Mingus:
A Critical Biography" (Paladin Books 1985) and the following discs have
Dolphy as a sideman with Mingus. I have a Dolphy discography that list's
private recordings etc made of nearly every concert of Mingus' 1964
European, some of which have shown up as bootlegs and semi-legal cd's.


1960 (Year of Recording)

Mingus Revisited - also as Pre Bird (Mercury)
Mingus At Antibes (Atlantic)
Mingus Presents Mingus (Candid)
Mingus (Candid)
The Jazz Life (Candid)
Newport Rebels (Candid)

1962

Town Hall Concert (United Artists)


1963

Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus (Impluse)


1964

Town Hall Concert (Jazz Workshop) - also as Portrait (Prestige)
Mingus Sextet Live in Europe (Unique Jazz)
The Great Concert of Charles Mingus (Prestige)
Live In Europe Vol 1 (Enja)
Live In Europe Vol 2 (Enja)
Mingus In Stutgart (Unique Jazz UJ009)
Mingus In Stutgart (Unique Jazz UJ007/8)


peace

Paul







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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Material in the Punk era
Date: 24 Jan 1998 16:18:25 PST


>>        I remember a Material concert at the Kitchen in 1981. Material
>>at that time, was popular in the punk clubs, and their early EP's were
>>somewhat in that vein, but when the gig turned out to be
>>Laswell, Zorn, Sharrock,Frith,Derek Bailey, and Charles Noyes doing
free
>>improvs, they managed to disperse the audience in pretty short order.

Is it safe to assume that this is the show that produced the _Improvised
Music New York 1981_ disc on MuWorks? I had read somewhere (I think
maybe the Axiom site, or soemthing Jeff Spirer posted) that that disc
was intended as a Material release, but couldn't be for some contractual
reason. I think it's very good, even if only to hear that combination of
players. The quality is poor, though, not to mention that it's only
about 35 min. long and hard to find anything but a slightly expensive
Japanese pressing. Well worth it though.

SW
A semi-complete Laswell discography @
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: FWD:Want List
Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:38:12 -0700 MST


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                                                            Message# 639249
                                        Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:01:50 -0700 MST

Hi there. I'm really interested in checking out some musick by the following
bands listed below, I know not all of them would be considered the style of
this list, but if anybody out there has any of this and could maybe swap me
a tape of some, or just give me a description of what the group is like, I'd
be most appreciative. Thanx. You can email me at [e-mail]

Asha Vida
Azusa Plane
Bevis Frond
Electric Frankenstein
Faust
Flying Saucer Attack
Fretless AZM
Fuxa
Ghost
Glide
Keiji Haino-Fushitsusha
High Rise
The Joykiller
Legendary Pink Dots ( I've only got 2 of their cd's)
Manic Street Preachers
Ruins
Saints
7% Solution
Transient Waves
Wesley Willis
YBO2-Alienation
Yellow Magic Orchestra
Zodiac

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From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laswell Newsgroup?
Date: 25 Jan 1998 00:12:41 -0500

The following newsgroup appeared on my server(Super Zippo) this
afternoon

alt.music.bill-laswell

WooHoo!

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: My latest purchases
Date: 25 Jan 1998 02:43:17 -0500

Craig Rath wrote:

> 3. Swans - Swans are Dead:  A good capsule of the last years of the Swans.
> Disc one is from the final tour in 97 and disc 2 is from 85.  Since I
> wasn't able to get a tape of the 97 show, this is a welcome addition to the
> collection.

Just saw this today and noticed that Vudi, the amazingly textural guitarist from
American Music Club, was present on the second disc (which I'd thought to have
read was from 1995, not '85.  But I only looked quickly so I'll take your word for
it).  Anyway, how is the second disc?  To what else in the Swans ouevre would you
(or anyone else out there) compare it?  I haven't heard anything by the Swans
since "Love of Life" if that helps...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dolphy [was Re: COLTRANE]
Date: 25 Jan 1998 03:04:50 -0500

ashley capps wrote:

> Actually, Jesse, your memory is pretty good and Steve's mistaken. Dolphy is
> most definitely on MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS MINGUS on all but 2 of the 7
> original tracks, plus he appears on the CDs bonus track.

Serves me right for referring to the goddamned Penguin Guide (third ed., page 911)
instead of the CD itself.

Jesse - here's notice that once in a while I blow it... ;-)

And Ashley, thanks for adding one more item to my ridiculously long "must purchase"
list... grrrrr... ;-)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cujo - "Adventures in Foam"
Date: 25 Jan 1998 03:15:40 -0500

My thanks to Yves Dewulf and Dave Trenkel for their recent posts
regarding Cujo (Amon Tobin)'s disc "Adventures in Foam."  I went out and
bought it tonight, and it's one of the most interesting and innovative
d'n'b releases I've ever heard.  Many Zornlisters will remember me as
being somewhat of an an outspoken Luddite regarding d'n'b (thanks mainly
to spending a lot of money on a certain Spring Heel Jack import after it
was featured [and favorably reviewed] by a certain 65 year old Village
Voice rock critic), but I've since been converted by Squarepusher,
Photek and Mu-ziq, and this here Cujo album is *the shit*, Zorn sample
or no Zorn sample.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
np:  Oval, "Systemisch" (thanks again Vince)


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From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cujo - "Adventures in Foam"
Date: 25 Jan 1998 02:27:33 -0600

It may sound cheesy, but if you LIKE Cujo, you'll *LOVE* Amon
Tobin.....'Bricolage' was one of the greatest albums of '97 in my
not-so-humble-opinion.

clockwise



At 03:15 AM 1/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>My thanks to Yves Dewulf and Dave Trenkel for their recent posts
>regarding Cujo (Amon Tobin)'s disc "Adventures in Foam."  I went out and
>bought it tonight, and it's one of the most interesting and innovative
>d'n'b releases I've ever heard.  Many Zornlisters will remember me as
>being somewhat of an an outspoken Luddite regarding d'n'b (thanks mainly
>to spending a lot of money on a certain Spring Heel Jack import after it
>was featured [and favorably reviewed] by a certain 65 year old Village
>Voice rock critic), but I've since been converted by Squarepusher,
>Photek and Mu-ziq, and this here Cujo album is *the shit*, Zorn sample
>or no Zorn sample.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>np:  Oval, "Systemisch" (thanks again Vince)
>
>
>-
>
>


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From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rough Assemblage
Date: 26 Jan 1998 06:58:24 +0000

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Dear all

Further to my recent E# posting I forgot to mention I alos have the
Rough Assemblage disc, Construction and Deconstruction (or suchlike) for
exchange. It's on the Avant label and falls into the quirky, percussive,
modern composition type category.

Any suggestions, lemme know.

Scott Russell

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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: videos....film and music..?
Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:19:29 +0100 (MEZ)

anyone know of a website like cdnow which is specialized in videos???
important: i am from europe so it should be a european site which sells
videos in PAL format

BJOERN

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From: Zachary <[e-mail]>
Subject: SWANS (was: Re: My latest purchases)
Date: 25 Jan 1998 16:24:35 -0500

At 02:43 AM 1/25/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:


>> 3. Swans - Swans are Dead:  A good capsule of the last years of the Swans.
>> Disc one is from the final tour in 97 and disc 2 is from 85.  Since I
>> wasn't able to get a tape of the 97 show, this is a welcome addition to the
>> collection.
>
>Just saw this today and noticed that Vudi, the amazingly textural
guitarist from
>American Music Club, was present on the second disc (which I'd thought to
have
>read was from 1995, not '85.  But I only looked quickly so I'll take your
word for
>it).  Anyway, how is the second disc?  To what else in the Swans ouevre
would you
>(or anyone else out there) compare it?  I haven't heard anything by the Swans
>since "Love of Life" if that helps...

Ahh, SWANS...

_Love of Life_ was followed by _Omniscience_ (1992, Young God/Sky Records),
a quasi-live album of material from the previous tour.  It's all right, but
highly experimental and adventurous.  It completes some thought that were
laid out with _Love of Life_ and especially _White Light From the Mouth of
Infinity_.

This was followed by the utterly mindblowing _The Great Annihilator_ (1994,
Invisible Records), which to me is the pinnacle of SWANS lifespan.  It
continues to produce beauty from noise, and it begins to delve into the
"sonic landscapes" that would dominate their live shows and subsequent
recordings.  Disc 2 of _SWANS Are Dead_ is recorded from this tour, 1995.

Just when things couldn't get any better, M. Gira and Jarboe simultaneously
released solo records (Gira with _Drainland_ and Jarboe with _Sacrificial
Cake_, both 1995, Alternative Tentacles Records).  _Drainland_ continued
with M. Gira's sonic experimentation and expounded his minimalist nature (a
lot of semi-acoustic songs), while Jarboe's work was to me, well, weird.
She herself admitted that many people, mainly the male listening audience,
wouldn't get it.

SWANS prepared their fans for the end with _Die Tur ist Zu_ (several
versions released, mine is 1996 RTD Records).  Most of the songs are sung
in German, and many reappeared in English on the final SWANS studio album,
_Soundtracks For the Blind_ (1996, Young God Records).  Two CDs of noise,
texture, and new material that is completely unlike anything I'd run across
(including previous SWANS).  Quite slow and loud.

Young God Records are starting to re-release the entire back catalogue of
SWANS and SWANS-related material, all in deluxe 2-CD packaging with extra
tracks where appropriate.  Already reissued are _Children of God_/_World of
Skin_ (1986-1988),
soon to be followed by _Cop_/_Young God_/_Greed_/_Holy Money_ (1984-1986),
which encompasses their more abrasive days as a New York sonic nightmare;
_Filth_/_Body to Body, Job to Job_/_1982 EP_ (1982-1986), which totals
their first studio recording, a collection of live samples and tape loops,
and what I'm assuming is their cover EP of Joy Division's "Love Will Tear
Us Apart"; the change of attitude that makes up _The Burning World_/_Ten
Songs From Another World_/_White Light From the Mouth of Infinity_/_Love of
Life_; then later in the year a CD of rarities and more solo projects from
M. Gira and Jarboe.

Of course, you could have found all this out at <http://www.swans.pair.com>.

-Zachary (who apologizes for the lack of Zorn in this horribly long message)

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From: "Chris Barrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:24:51 -0500

I believe Dolphy is also on the Mingus Complete Town Hall Concert.
>
>Dolphy also played on Mingus at Antibes (1960 Rhino/Atlantic) and on Mingus
>Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1961 Impulse).
>
>Good stuff all around.
>
>Jesse
>
>
>-



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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: COLTRANE
Date: 26 Jan 1998 07:24:55 -0800

Thanks to the original requester of Coltrane info.

Got me back into my Coltrane collection.

This morning...crisp cool dawn...fire roaring in the hearth...Coltrane and
Sanders burning the airwaves from LIVE IN JAPAN...

Cannot be beat.

(There was even a Coltrane thread recently on a book discussion list).

s~Z




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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: COLTRANE
Date: 26 Jan 1998 07:24:55 -0800

Thanks to the original requester of Coltrane info.

Got me back into my Coltrane collection.

This morning...crisp cool dawn...fire roaring in the hearth...Coltrane and
Sanders burning the airwaves from LIVE IN JAPAN...

Cannot be beat.

(There was even a Coltrane thread recently on a book discussion list).

s~Z




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)  "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).

Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.

    Patrice.

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From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 26 Jan 1998 11:59:03 -0600

At 08:27 AM 1/26/98 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)  "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>>
>> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
>> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
>> quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
>> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
>> but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
>> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
>> Kind Of Blue).
>
>Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
>Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
>modal structures.


On the Ole CD I have, Dolphy IS credited.

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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Zorn Radio Hour
Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:57:01 -0500

Just saw JZ radio hour being offered at auction at this url:

http://www.ab-cd.com/auction.html

I'm not affiliated with these guys, but have done business with them.
(never the auction)

It's going at 27.00 now...

-Sean


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Doctor Nerve European tour
Date: 26 Jan 1998 14:20:23 EST

Sorry to be a little late getting this out, but there's a tour by Doctor Nerve
starting in about 1 week:

February 4th Roma, Italy

February 5th Florence (or) Padova , Italy

February 6th Schio (near Vicenza), Italy

February 7th Meldola (near Forli), Italy

February 8th Bologna, Italy

February 9th TBA

February 10th Roxy - Ulm, Germany

February 11th Desi - Nurnberg, Germany

February 12th Moritzbastei - Leipzig, Germany

February 13th ZV-Bunker - Chemnitz, Germany

February 14th Engelskeller - Gera, Germany

February 15th Faust e.V. - Hannover, Germany

February 16th Paradox - Tilburg, Netherlands

February 17th Musikbunker - Aachen, Germany

February 18th AKW - Wurzburg, Germany

February 19th Porgy & Bess - Wien, Austria

February 20th Alter Schlachthof - Wels, Austria

February 21st St. Johann in Tirol, Germany

February 22nd Grabenhalle - St. Gallen, Switzerland

The personnel of Doctor Nerve is:
Nick Didkovsky - guitar
Greg Anderson - bass
Leo Ciesa - drums
Kathleen Supove - keyboards
Michael Lytle - bass clarinet
Rob Henke - trumpet
Yves Duboin - soprano sax

[David Douglas had to leave the group due to his many many commitments
elsewhere, but there's still plenty of interest about the group to the reader
of this group]

Steve F.

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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn's favorite albums
Date: 26 Jan 1998 14:37:28

In the latest DOWNBEAT several people list their favorite albums. Zorn
participates. I scanned it in the store. He mentiones Frank Sinatra. The
others I can't remember. The mag wasn't interesting otherwise, so I'm not
going to buy it.

If someone would post Zorn's list, I think it'd be a good topic for
discussion.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 26 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 (EST)


Okay, last night a friend of mine (bless his heart) played me a bit of
Alice Coltrane's 'journey to satchadananda' (or something like that...).
It was, it is, so cool, so funky, and so beautifull...i must find my own.
Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first time
i'd heard anything by her.

-jascha








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From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favorite albums
Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:19:30 -0600 (CST)

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Doug McKay wrote:

> In the latest DOWNBEAT several people list their favorite albums. Zorn
> participates. I scanned it in the store. He mentiones Frank Sinatra. The
> others I can't remember. The mag wasn't interesting otherwise, so I'm not
> going to buy it.

Select "Zorn's Top 10" at http://www.tzadik.com/ for a current list.
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From: R & T Cummings <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands"
Date: 26 Jan 1998 17:26:33 -0500

I've also enjoyed these recordings - especially HWANG CHIN-EE with Samm
Bennett and Joey Baron (I am a drummer so this may explain my preferences=
).

Although I think I know Joey Baron's "sound" rather well from various
recordings, I nonetheless have problems distinguishing the two drummers
here. =

Which brings me to my question.
Does Samm Bennett really sound like Baron or was he using samples from
Baron's kit? I've been wondering about this and how they managed to play =
so
"tightly" together. Great stuff. Anyways, this list lurker must return to=

lurking. Bye.

Rob

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn's favorite albums
Date: 26 Jan 1998 17:21:36 EST

<HTML>Actually, a better topic for discussion would be exactly why Downbeat
<B><I>IS</B></I> so boring lately.<BR>
<BR>
Dale.<BR>
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 26 Jan 1998 17:05:30 -0600


On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Okay, last night a friend of mine (bless his heart) played me a bit of
>Alice Coltrane's 'journey to satchadananda' (or something like
>that...).
>It was, it is, so cool, so funky, and so beautifull...i must find my
>own.
>Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first
>time
>i'd heard anything by her.
>
>-jascha


Alice Coltrane  Rules.  If you liked that album, you would do well to
check out "Ptah, the El Daoud"  Which is the other one I've heard.  You
can get them both on impulse. (Recently Remastered?)




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From: Toby Dodds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Torture Garden Live!
Date: 26 Jan 1998 14:50:18 -0800 (PST)

I just realized I may not have posted this to the Zorn List..  I recently
uploaded a 27 minute Real Audio file of a live performance
by Zony Mash & guests performing Zorn's Torture Garden.  The players include:

Zony Mash:
Wayne Horvitz - Keyboards
Timothy Young - Guitar
Fred Chalenor - Bass
Andy Roth - Drums

w/guests
Eyvind Kang - Violin
Skerik - Tenor Sax
Briggan Krauss - Alto Sax
Mike Stone - Drums
& Brad Mowen - Vocals

It's a pretty inspiring performance especially considering they rehearsed
it primarily the day of the show!  Hope you like,
Toby

www.zonymash.com

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Otomo discography (was My latest purchases)
Date: 26 Jan 1998 08:35:16 -0800


On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:26:22 -0500  Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> At 04:18 AM 1/24/98 -0600, Craig Rath wrote:
> >
> >I need to find a complete discography of Otomo Yoshihide (although if there
> >is anything on there that is unavailable, I'll be plenty annoyed).
>
> Check out http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, which, as I
> check this out again, lists a **new Ground Zero** album (pardon me while I
> foam at the mouth...  there, I feel better now), actually a live Cassiber
> album with one of two disks remixed by Ground Zero.  Anyway, lots of other
> Otomo info here, part of a Japanese free improvisers site.
>
> Oh yes, prepare to be plenty annoyed.  Patrice's discography lists over 80
> items and stops in April 1997.

In fact, the counter is currently 99. 1997 has been a very productive year for
him! I will update the WNUR version soon.

    Patrice.


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)  "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).

Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.

    Patrice.

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)  "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).

Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.

    Patrice.

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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Just Checking
Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:58:20 -0800

I'm getting multiple copies of posts to the list, and they come several
hours apart. Sometimes I get as many as 3 copies. Ziss happening to others?

s~Z



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From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SWANS (was: Re: My latest purchases)
Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:53:00 -0500

>Just saw this today and noticed that Vudi, the amazingly textural
guitarist from
>American Music Club, was present on the second disc.
>Anyway, how is the second disc?
>Steve Smith

Regarding "SWANS ARE DEAD", that second disc is basically straight from
"Soundtracks for the Blind", the last (1996) part-studio/part-live 2cd.
Both "Dead"
and "Blind" have a live version of "One Small Sacrifice" (from the 1987
Skin album "Shame, Humility, Revenge") retitled "The Final Sacrifice"
which is done in a brutal Children of God style. I think the version on
"Blind" is much much better, simply staggering, and that one 11-minute track
alone makes the whole disc worthwhile.  And "Blind" also features Vudi
on quite a few tracks.  Plus "Blind" has five or six other great long
tracks.  It's THE late-era SWANS album to get.

>This was followed by the utterly mindblowing _The Great Annihilator_ (1994,
>Invisible Records), which to me is the pinnacle of SWANS lifespan.
>- -Zachary

Just to provide a second opinion:
"The Great Annihilator" is the only shitty album SWANS ever released.
They have 20 some fantastic records and this one piece of crap.
On "Annihilator", they made grave compromises to the SWANS esthetic
in a shameful attempt to insert themselves into the "college-rock"
market.  Can you imagine an album where Gira's beautiful, deep, and
sonorous voice is totally absent and the "hit single" is called
"Celebrity Lifestyle", a self-parody of the life of a rock-star, a song
the likes of which we should expect from no less than Morrissey?
That's how it is.  As a long-time SWANS fan, I shook my head in
dismay when I heard that album.  However, subsequent releases
like "Soundtracks for the Blind" restored my faith in SWANS.
I'm done now; I just had a violent reaction to a difference of
musical tastes.

These preposterous opinions provided gratis by David K.

p.s.  this message is not zorn unrelated since SWANS have had
musicians play on their albums including Fred Frith, Anton Fier,
Bill Laswell... :)

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Date: 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800


On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST)  "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out".  (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.")  MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).

Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.

    Patrice.

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Date: 27 Jan 1998 02:17:34 -0500

ia zha nah er vesen wrote:

> Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first time
> i'd heard anything by her.

Historically she's always taken a lot of crap (kinda like Yoko, when you get
right down to it), but I can hardly imagine a finer pianist for Coltrane's
later days and consider "Live at the Village Vanguard Again," "Live in
Japan," "Expression" and "Stellar Regions" to be the proof.

As for solo stuff I know little but aside from the lovely "Satchidananda,"
you could hardly go wrong with Pharoah Sanders, Joe Henderson, Ron Carter and
Ben Riley, the lineup Alice has on the recently reissued "Ptah, the El Daoud"
(which also features a really cool cover, somewhere between Santana and the
Metalheadz logo, but actually sounds a lot like Coltrane's modal period
immediately prior to the free stuff).

And I've read fine things about "A Monastic Trio," recently reissued in Japan
and thus way too expensive at Virgin in Times Square.  I keep hoping that
somehow, someday, the U.S. operation will become as cool and/or as completist
as the Japanese branch, where you can get at least two of the three last
Albert Ayler records, lots of interesting Shepp, and even discs by Marion
Brown and Roswell Rudd that fans here are slobbering over (myself included).
There are hints of it happening, as I've read on rec.music.bluenose that a
considerable portion of the Shepp catalog (including the vital "Mama Too
Tight") is due for imminent release.

Steve Smith
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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: golden palominos
Date: 27 Jan 1998 03:11:20 -0500 (EST)

Jason wrote:
>Just to make things confusing, The Lounge Lizards were originally going
>to be called the Golden Palominos.

To add to the confusion: Fier used the name Golden Palominos on 2 tracks
on David Thomas' 1981 "The Sound Of The Sand" (2nd post-Pere Ubu release)
Golden Palominos:
David Thomas - vocals
Richard Thompson - guitar, dulcimer
John Greaves - bass, piano
Anton Fier - drums, percussion
Allen Ravenstine - EML synthesizers

(I think a different 'Golden Palominos' line-up also appeared on Kip
Hanrahan's first or 2nd album)

Fier's mid-70s Cleveland days can be heard on two CDs:
The Styrenes "It's Artastic" (Homestead)
Styrenes/Mirrors/Electric Eels "Those Were Different Times" (Scat)
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From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #215
Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:23:00 GMT0BST

Jesse, (Ashley, Paul, Steve)

Just back from long holiday and horrified to find out that you guys
have been discussing Dolphy without me.  Glad you've cleared up the
1963 question (haven't played that one in a while)

It surely is Eric on Epitaph on Town Hall Concert 1962.  There's
even a better alternate take of this piece on the CD.

There're loads more recordings from the 1964 European tour, whioch
was bootlegged on a scale that belies the date of the tour.  Sue
Mingus is trying to do something about it and released the
(first) Paris Concert (2CDs) at a very reasonable price.  It's called
Revenge!

Only of interest to Dolphy-philes, but I came across a Benny Golson
CD (on Fresh Sound with an obviously incorrect recording date of
1957) which features Dolphy, Bill Evans, Wayne Shorter, Hubbard and
others, as soloists, playing standard bebop materials
(Dolphy has five? solos).  Anyone know about this?  I think it might
have been 1962, and wasn't there a string section overdubbed (not on
the CD) playing the original tunes (I Got Rhythm, Indiana, etc.)????

Dr. Sean Wilkie.

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From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: Zorn's favourite album(s)
Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:34:18 GMT0BST

I saw this Downbeat in Barnes and Noble: they asked people to list
ONE favourite album: Dave Douglas gave No Blues (the Davis Quintet
1967 on JMY), Myra Melford gave the complete Herbie Nichols set, the
complete Andrew Hill Blue Note set on Mosaic, and the Ornette/Joachim
Kuhn "Colors"; Zorn (like Martin Scorcese who, once asked for his top
ten films, provided a list of 200) gave so many that I can barely
remember any.  What I do remember are the Herbie Nichols set
(which he, I and Myra are 100% together on); and Jimmy Giuffre's Free
Fall (which he's on his own with as far as I'm concerned).  on
Giuffre, he raved about the squeaky clarinet tone and the group
interaction - for me there isn't enough group, it's mostly solo
and a few duos, so it doesn't come close to Thesis, Fusion or the
live 1961 recordings.

PS All you Coltrane fans - what about Coltrane's Sound and Plays The
Blues (ca. MFT)?? And, good as OLE is, I reckon AFRICA/BRASS is
two degrees better.

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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: SWANS
Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:46:13 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, David J. Keffer wrote:

> Regarding "SWANS ARE DEAD", that second disc is basically straight from
> "Soundtracks for the Blind", the last (1996) part-studio/part-live 2cd.

with all this talk about swans, i thought i might get in a question.  i
recently picked up the _cop_ cd which also includes the "raping a slave"
e.p. and i've been revisiting it quite a lot.  what else is good from that
time period (i guess early 80's) and is any of it still available?

b

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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: golden palominos
Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:11:48 -0500

> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:11:20 -0500 (EST)
> From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
> Subject: golden palominos
>
> To add to the confusion: Fier used the name Golden Palominos on 2 tracks
> on David Thomas' 1981 "The Sound Of The Sand" (2nd post-Pere Ubu release)
> Golden Palominos:
>

Jeez, you really DO need a score card for this.  I wonder if what else Anton calls Golden
Palominos?

>
>
> (I think a different 'Golden Palominos' line-up also appeared on Kip
> Hanrahan's first or 2nd album)
>
> Fier's mid-70s Cleveland days can be heard on two CDs:
> The Styrenes "It's Artastic" (Homestead)
> Styrenes/Mirrors/Electric Eels "Those Were Different Times" (Scat)
> and several singles by Styrenes and X-X

The Scat CD is a really interesting piece of history- not to mention the unique packaging.  The NYC
scene has been pretty well documented by now but this was something very different that literally
came out of nowhere (kind of like the Athens scene).  Didn't realize until now that Anton and Ubu
were a natural pairing since they had similar roots.

BTW, someone on the list was saying that they multiple postings and I've seen this too.

Jason
--

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Milk Cilt
Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:13:54 UT

I know this is sort of off-Zorn, but there is sort of a three degrees of
separation, as Mike Patton does some vocals.  Could someone who knows something
about them mail me privately with some history, etc.?
I'd sure appreciate it, and I didn't know where else to ask.

Thanks,
Peter

[e-mail]

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From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject:
Date: 27 Jan 1998 11:35:48 PST

I didn't see this posted yet, and most of you probably already get the
Downtown Music Gallery newsletter, but for those who have not heard,
this is the Victoriaville festival lineup for 1998, given to us by the
eminent Mr Bruce Gallanter:
>
>Here it is!  The much anticipated VICTORIAVILLE festival schedule for
this
>year, May 14th to 18th:
>1.JOHN ZORN chamber works w/ Friedlander, Shea, Feldman, Coleman,
Winant
>2.ACCORDIAN TRIBE w/ Lars Hollmer, Guy Klucevsek, Maria Kalanemi
>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
>4.CLUSONE TRIO w/ Micheal Moore, Ernst Reijseger, Han Bennink
>5.GERRY HEMINGWAY QUINT. w/ Ray Anderson, Ellery Eskelin, Mark Dresser
>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache
>8.The EX!!
>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio
>10.IKUE MORI/JOHN ZORN/MIKE PATTON
>11.MATTHEW SHIPP TRIO
>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart
>13.THE NIHILIST SPASM BAND
>14.MIKE PATTON UNIT w/ Shea, Friedlander, Feldman, Winant, Pugliese
>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser
>19.KLETKA RED yiddish punk w/ member(s) of the Ex
>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis  Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin
>     pretty fucking amazing!!   This will be my 10th year going up to
>Victo, can't wait!!  --Bruce
>

It does rock the mind, does it not?

KSH

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From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: I think I'm turning japanese
Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:41:44 PST

Dumb joke, but I need guidance on 1.)Good Fushitsusha/Heino to get;
2.)where can Japanese stuff be bought cheap (esp. PSF stuff)--or rather
cheapER.  Apologies if I am missing leads that run through the list, but
I'm rather new and I need loving guidance.  After all, I missed punk
altogether.  I feel that I don't even know what's been happening in the
undercurrents of "rock" for the past thirty years.  Feel free to pass
your own picks along to me, if you have the time.

Oh, and of course e-mail me privately so none of this clutters the list
with redundancies.

Thanks and salutations,

KSH

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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: well...who's good?
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:54:57 -0500 (EST)

I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the victo festival, and since I
only have marginal interest in the Zorn related projects it'll depend on
the quality of the other folks.  And it's good excuse for some talk of
unknowns (to me at least).
So any one got any information and opinions on the below people?


>>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
>>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache

>>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio

>>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart

>>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
>>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
>>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
>>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser

>>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
>>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis  Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
>>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
>>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
>>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
>>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
>>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin

matt



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
Date: 27 Jan 1998 13:05:56 -0800


On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:54:57 -0500 (EST)  Matthew Colonnese wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the victo festival, and since I
> only have marginal interest in the Zorn related projects it'll depend on
> the quality of the other folks.  And it's good excuse for some talk of
> unknowns (to me at least).
> So any one got any information and opinions on the below people?
>
>
> >>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
> >>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache
>
> >>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio

Urs is a fantastic sax player from Switzerland. If you like people such
as Evan Parker or John Butcher, you should check him.

The record with Marilyn Crispell mentioned recently on this list (can't
remember either the title or label... but can't forget the music -- an
outstading improv record) shows him at his best.

> >>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just when you thought that nobody could go beyond Evan Parker, come
people like Urs and John. John was initially very influenced by Parker
but this is not the case anymore. He has developped his own style and
I think that he really succeeded in extending sax technique not just for
the sake of extending it, but really to create a new language.

On the other side, I still can't stand John Russell. I did not like him
15 years ago; I still don't. But many people whose taste I respect are
nuts about him. I guess I might have missed something (which would not
be the first time...).

> >>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
> >>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
> >>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
> >>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser
>
> >>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
> >>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis  Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
> >>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
> >>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
> >>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
> >>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
> >>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin
>
> matt
>
>
>
> ------
> "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
> kept them apart, spatially."
>
>
>
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>


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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:14:52 -0500

>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Colonnese <[e-mail]> writes:

    >>> 3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
    >>>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Leandre is a bass player specializing in new classical music (Cage et
al) as well as improvised.  Hauser is an extremely meticulous, and
extremely accomplished Swiss percussionist, also working both in
classical and improvised.  Sounds like a pretty good piano trio to me,
but might be a little cerebral for some tastes.

    >>> 15.RENE LUSSIER solo

Guitarist with large sense of humor, often plays with Fred Frith and
Nick Didkovsky (Dr. Nerve), used to be with Conventum, an early
folk-rock-jazz group at the center of the Montreal-based Ambience
Magnetiques group.  I'd expect lively, offbeat, possibly quirky,
guitar based.

    >>> 17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables

Turntable/vinyl wizard very similar to Christian Marclay.  He cuts up
records and puts individual pieces together, chaotic and noisy (this
is a good thing).

    >>> 21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis Dhomont, Robert
    >>> Normandeau

This sounds fabulous!  Both are well known electroacoustic composers,
although I haven't yet heard any recent work by Dhomont (just received
Frankenstein Symphony today, but haven't listened to it yet).  I'd
expect unearthly sounds the likes of which you've never heard before,
hopefully with some kind of multimedia accompaniment (tapes of
computer music can make a dull concert).

---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dolphy
Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:33:45 -0500 (EST)

I don't know if anybody else has posted this, but to whoever was asking
about Dolphy I've got to recommend "Far Cry". Others might not like this
one so much, but it's got "Ode to Charlie Parker", "Mrs. Parker of K.C."
and "Miss Ann". Not only great music in its own right, but it gives some
good insight into where Dave Douglas is coming from (i.e. great playing
from Booker Little -- another deserving discographical conversation), as
well as Marty Ehrlich (see his killer album "Can You Hear A Motion?".
Anyway, I just had to throw that in -- it's probably my favorite after
"Out to Lunch".

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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Laswell in EQ
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:09:59 -0700

hey all!

just beating around my office pondering the true nature of beauty, Wynton,
Keith Jarrett, and my favorite Coltrane album (was going to respond to that
one, but. . .  Where to start?)

Anyway, a fellow freak from the studio down the hall handed me a copy of
the January 1998 issue of EQ magizine.  There, on the cover, looking just a
bit too much like Castro is EQ's coverboy:  Bill Laswell!  Haven't gotten
to read much of the artical, but Zorn is mentioned in the first paragraph
as one of Bill's long list of credits.

Is downtown music moving uptown?  Probably not, but it's still nice to see
someone with a soul in one of the industry rags. . .(Wonder if that will
spark anything?!?)  Check it out!

As a complete side note, does anyone know what tape/delay/sample thingie
Bill Frisell has been using all these years?  Somebody said that he had it
made specially for him.  If anyone knows, drop me a line, I'd love to know.


later,

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From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Sets
Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:21:34 -0600

Hi there,

I'm new to this list... but that doesn't matter.

I heard a rumor that Masada is done.  Also I heard that after releasing
Nine and Ten, he's going to release two boxed sets.  One would be the ten
disc studio set of all the albums and the other one would be another ten
disc set of live material.  Is this true?  I shudder to think about how
much I'll have to spend if it is...

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From: Scott Gilliam <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laswell d'n'b remixes
Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:34:57 -0500

Hey all,

I've been super lax in keeping up with the posts to the mailing list, so
this may have already been mentioned.  Anyway, I picked up an album of
remixes of Bill Laswell's Oscillations.  I had purchased Oscillations
already and was disappointed so I decided to pick up the remixes on
vinyl instead of CD (and save the extra buck).  I like it pretty well.
There's several styles of drum 'n bass on it.

However there is a particular track that fucking rocks.  I don't have
the info with me -- I'm at work, but whoever did this track is a genius.
It uses empty space between single beats in a cut up break so that the
beats sound like rhythmic static.  This gradually builds to a full beat
augmented with pitch-bent rolls reminiscent of Squarepusher.  The track
rolls on (or staggers on, hopping) until it breaks down into a
slowed-down, simplified version of the same beat.  Very mellow.  This
goes on for a while until the original beat, or some flavor of it, comes
back full force.  The DJ plays with this to the outro where the beat
breaks down to static like beats and noise.


Best,
Scott A. Gilliam
Forklift Daddy
ALIEN SKIN SOFTWARE, LLC


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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Date: 27 Jan 1998 14:53:12 -0800 (PST)


surprised no one has mentioned
the BOpoint web site, which
features the amazing Boredoms
and related discographies by
wizard Dave Watson.

http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ngzF92/bo/point.html

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm turning japanese
Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:42:14

At 12:41 PM 1/27/98 PST, Scott Handley wrote:
> I need guidance on 1.)Good Fushitsusha/Heino to get;

Don't know why but I can never resist trying to turn people onto
Fushitsusha. So with that in mind:

PURPLE TRAP (Blast First) is an exciting and somewhat more widely available
double album which features all the marshall stacks turned up to eleven.

ALLEGORICAL MISUNDERSTANDING (Avant) Much darker and colder in tone than
the above, this album features music of real beauty and passion (esp track
no. 9).

THE CAUTION APPEARS (Disques du Soleil et L'Acier) A french import, this
album is all instrumental and very very intense.

And of Course: PSF 3/4 and PSF 15/16 if you can find them.

You might also want to check out the album Keiji Haino recorded with Derek
Bailey. Seventy minutes of wonderful guitar improvisations.

All the best,
Jesse


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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn 's favourite records (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:58:15 PST

>From [e-mail] Sat Dec 13 17:32:53 1997

>
>Herbie Nichols - The Complete Blue Note Recordings (Blue Note)
>Sonny Rollins - Sonny Meets Hawk! (RCA Victor)
>Jimmy Giuffre 3 - Free Fall (Columbia)
>Kim So-Hee - P'ansori II Saeng (Jigu)
>Frank Sinatra - The Reprise Years (Warner/Reprise)
>Les Baxter - The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter (Capitol)
>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon)
>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack
>Listeners Communication)
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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coltrane & Dolphy
Date: 27 Jan 1998 23:04:30 PST


>From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>

(snip)
>
>PS All you Coltrane fans - what about Coltrane's Sound and Plays The
>Blues (ca. MFT)?? And, good as OLE is, I reckon AFRICA/BRASS is
>two degrees better.
>
For sure, Africa/Brass is a killer! And I seem to recall that Dolphy did
some arrangements for these sessions (and playing too? I'll have to
check). I've read Lester Bangs waxing hysterical about this set, and it
deserved every bit. Magical sound quality on the new 20-bit 2CD
re-issue, too.


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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
Date: 28 Jan 1998 03:18:32 -0500 (EST)

> >>15.RENE LUSSIER solo

i saw him in Toronto with a drummer, and i had a lot of fun.  He's not
only a really fine player who goes way way out most of the time (he played
his guitar with so many household objects...my favorite was the pocket
battery-powered fan for tremolo), but he's really, genuinely, consciously
funny.  His style the night i saw him had a lot of sound-gags in it, and a
few sight-gags as well for those of us with good seats, but then again he
had another player to bounce off of...his solo stuff might be more
'concerty'...?...

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From: "John Q Citizen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn>>>Baxter>>>Ra
Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:23:19 PST

>>
>>Herbie Nichols - The Complete Blue Note Recordings (Blue Note)
>>Sonny Rollins - Sonny Meets Hawk! (RCA Victor)
>>Jimmy Giuffre 3 - Free Fall (Columbia)
>>Kim So-Hee - P'ansori II Saeng (Jigu)
>>Frank Sinatra - The Reprise Years (Warner/Reprise)
>>Les Baxter - The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter (Capitol)

I've read Zorn lionising Baxter's work before; I know its become easy to
dismiss him as part of that whole retro-kitsch fad, but Baxter did some
great stuff - coupla records of *jungle jazz*, lotsa soundtracks. I
guess Baxter might've been using the same West Coast session jazz-men as
Esquivel; and at least some of Baxter's work employs that same kind of
block-structure that Zorn has noted in the work of Esquivel, Stallings
and Stravinsky.

Don't know hardly anything about it myself, but I'm intruiged by this
'50s West Coast jazz connection - some really fantastic stuff was
recorded; v cinematic, louche, noirish, etc. I've always reckoned the
edits in Zorn's "Spillane" are anticipated by the cuts in the jazz
sequences of "The Man With The Golden Arm" S/T. I think Skip Diamond's
"Mike Hammer" Lp has been re-issued by RCA in Spain; but I can only
guess at how that might relate.

As for Baxter's exotica; I've always reckoned Sun Ra was listening to
Baxter's early LPs - the whole roots of the Saturn aesthetic are there -
electronics, crypto-tribal percussion, chants (well, sort of - choral
stuff at least), *strange strings*, not to mention (but most important
of all) Baxter's foregrounding of
electronics-as-the-sounds-of-outer-space aesthetic. Just discovered (in
Szwed's Ra survey in an issue of the Wire last year) that Ra covered a
Baxter tune (that had Harry Revel on theremin) for one of his own
earliest LPs.

Unnh; dunno if anyone really cares about this stuff - sorry if I've
wasted your time.

>>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon)

Anyone know anything about this title? Patrice??

>>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack
>>Listeners Communication)
>>


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From: Michel Rondeau <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #217
Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:47:06 -0500

>I'm interested in knowing what you guys think of =ABSanctuary=BB, the Dave
>Douglas double CD set on Avant.  I haven't been hooked up on the
>zornophiliac file for long, so I must have missed your comments when it
>first came out. I tried to find info or reviews about it on the web
>without succeeding. Thanks in advance.

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From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sanctuary (Zorn List Digest V2 #217)
Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:37:14 -0600

Hi,

I really enjoy Sanctuary.  The part about it that I like the best is the
presence of samplers.  Because it was all recorded live at the Knitting
=46actory, I especially like the samplers.  I like the idea of using them in
a live context rather than in a programmed fashion.  I got it at the time
when I was really getting into Chris Speed's playing as well and he is
great on this album.  In case you didn't know, it's like a double-band kind
of thing, two trumpets, two basses, two samplers, one drummer, and tenor
sax.  The basses are kind of hard to hear unless they're taking solos, but
that's sometimes the way things go.  There are parts where the samplers
will take over the beat and the real drummer is just doing fills and other
random things.  Dave Douglas is, of course, amazing... I recommend checking
it out...

Now you're making me wish I brought it with me today so I could listen to it=
!

Dan

>>I'm interested in knowing what you guys think of =ABSanctuary=BB, the Dave
>>Douglas double CD set on Avant.  I haven't been hooked up on the
>>zornophiliac file for long, so I must have missed your comments when it
>>first came out. I tried to find info or reviews about it on the web
>>without succeeding. Thanks in advance.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Variations
Date: 28 Jan 1998 12:22:50 -0500

hello list people.....

I was just wondering if anyone attended the NYPO performances this past
week.......
If so....any thoughts on Zorn's piece??

I was there for the saturday and tuesday performances, hearing his
peace(and Schwantner's) just once wasn't enough.

I liked Zorn's piece alot.....it seemed different to me from his other
orchestral pieces.
I loved the way he had the brass playing real quiet in one
passage.....the strings too in another......it definitely has some
Bernstein influence....and...all in all it was a great piece.  Im not
very good with words....so, hopefully you'll all get to hear it sometime
soon!!!

Geoff

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From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: concerts in europe
Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:01:49 +0100

Like a life ago, they wrote :
>From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
>Subject: re: concerts in europe
>
>Thomas Fischer jr. wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering if someone can give me some information
>> about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe
>(Germany/Suisse/Italy).
>> are there any links in the www? Thanks.


Germany, Suisse and Italy : I really don't know !!!  :(((

But, in France, you can go to :
Le Site Web du Fennec pour les musiques creatives
http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr


You 'll find some info about a club in Paris called "Les Instants Chavires"
where Tim Berne 's Blood Count will play in February...
Some other infos about gigs in France also...

See you there !!


Olivier, fennec parmi les Fennecs



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From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Fahey
Date: 28 Jan 1998 11:48:20 -0800

Hullo.

I recently borrowed a John Fahey CD - City of Refuge - from a friend of
mine and enjoyed it quite a bit, especially the musique concrete stuff.

What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a letter that
Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic complaining that people brand
him as "new age", when in fact he hangs out with punks and insists on being
called "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on about? Did he
do George Winston - type stuff at one point?

What gives?

Greg Mills

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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: John Fahey
Date: 28 Jan 1998 15:44:16 -0500

>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Mills <[e-mail]> writes:

    Greg> What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a
    Greg> letter that Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic
    Greg> complaining that people brand him as "new age", when in fact
    Greg> he hangs out with punks and insists on being called
    Greg> "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on
    Greg> about? Did he do George Winston - type stuff at one point?

    Greg> What gives?

Fahey's earliest work, originally released on his own private label
(Takoma) was a unique brand of fingerstyle guitar.  He was one of the
first postwar guitarists to investigate in a serious manner
alternative tunings, and I remember the challenge of learning his
pieces was usually figuring out what tuning he was using rather than
any inherent difficulty in the pieces themselves.  Straight guitar
works from this period include Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death
(from 1959, not 1969 as mentioned in some sources); one with more
electronics would be Voice of the Turtle.  Many of these works have
not yet been reissued on CD.

After a decade or so of works like this, sometimes with some mild
electronic manipulation (this was the 60s and very low budget), he got
a major label contract on Reprise, for which he released a couple of
albums with Dixieland and vaudeville type accompaniment and much
better recordings (Of Rivers and Religion and After the Ball were on
Reprise).

After departing from Reprise, there wasn't much output for another
decade or so, until the recent revival of interest, and these albums
are more generally available.

I would not call any Fahey that I've heard (which covers the early
years pretty well) newage (rhymes with sewage), although the
guitarists that signed with Windham Hill in its early years had
certainly listened quite closely to Fahey.  I think this is partially
a technology issue; the 20 years between Fahey's early albums and
Windham Hill's early albums enabled all kinds of recording tricks,
letting the WH producers give everything a soft focus, whereas Fahey
was deliberately establishing continuity with the country blues
tradition and going for a more primitive look and sound, even if he
could have afforded a fancy studio.

But there was also much more variety and experimentation in Fahey's
releases, something which is completely lacking in newage music
generally, so it was possible to be surprised (and sometimes very
surprised) when Fahey came out with a new album.  Fahey's music was
(and still is) about experimentation and personal expression,
confounding expectations and leaving the audience perhaps a bit
bewildered.  So while it might be possible to find one Fahey piece out
of context and consider it newage, his overall output could not be
further from that genre.


---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey
Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:09:51 -0800 (PST)


On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:

> works from this period include Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death
> (from 1959, not 1969 as mentioned in some sources); one with more
> electronics would be Voice of the Turtle.  Many of these works have
> not yet been reissued on CD.

not so.

Takoma re-issued two discs in 1996.
one is "The Legend of Blind Joe Death"
which features tracks from his
first record as well as some odds
and ends and previously unreleased
material. the other disc, the title
escapes me because i don't own it,
but it's where he began the inclusion
of tapes and such into his
playing.

there's been a slew of his other
records from the middle period that
have made their way to CD medium.

in addition to this, Revenant
will be releasing the original
"Blind Joe Death" this month,
according to an ad on the back of
Halana.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dragon Blue?
Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:43:55 -0500

Has anybody heard or heard anything about this new Avant disc?

DRAGON BLUE - Hades Park (AVAN-075)

discs for sale:
Billy Harper - Somalia
George Colligan Trio - Activism
Pat Metheny - Zero Tolerance For Silence
F.M. Einheit/Caspar Brotzmann - Merry Christmas

            -Tom Pratt

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From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Re: Dolphy
Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:51:39 -0500

>I don't know if anybody else has posted this, but to whoever was asking
>about Dolphy I've got to recommend "Far Cry"

I second this wholeheartedly. The lineup on this album is phenomenal.
Dolphy is on reeds, Booker Little plays trumpet, Jaki Byard plays piano,
then comes the dynamite rhythm section of Ron Carter and Roy Haynes. This
was before Ron had really come into his own, he's doing a lot of arco
stuff a la Chambers, but I'm convinced that any project this man touches
is golden. Roy Haynes needs no introduction, his driving style makes him
one of my favorite jazz drummers. I've also found this to be one of the
most listenable and pumped Dolphy albums. This is jazz at its best.

Jamie

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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada catalog #'s
Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:23:12 PST

Hey all,

Would someone mind sending me DIW's catalog numbers for Masada 4,7 & 8.
Thanks.

SW

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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: derek bailey book
Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:05:23 +0100 (MEZ)


i just tried to order the derek bailey book from here (germany)...they
had it in the computer at the book store but called me yesterday that it
isnt available anymore....
anyone who has access to this book (who knows a store where one can get
it) who would buy it for me...i`ll send you the money..
please answer privately

BJOERN

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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: derek bailey book
Date: 29 Jan 1998 10:08:54 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> i just tried to order the derek bailey book from here (germany)...they
> had it in the computer at the book store but called me yesterday that it
> isnt available anymore....
> anyone who has access to this book (who knows a store where one can get
> it) who would buy it for me...i`ll send you the money..
> please answer privately

forced exposure has this book.  just go to www.forcedexposure.com and look
for da capo under the labels.

b

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From: Sai <[e-mail]>
Subject: misc. cds fs
Date: 29 Jan 1998 16:23:24 -0500 (EST)

You HAVE to include the post:

all transactions in US will be $3 flat rate (2-3 day Priority)

Amon Duul 2- Utopia $12 uk
C Brotzman-Koksofen, Home $8 each
BOREDOMS- Soul Discharge '99 (Japan) $14, Onanie Bonb meets the Sex
Pistols $9
CAN- Inner Space $8 uk
Cypher 7- Security $6
Charles Hayward- Survive the Gesture, Tribute to Mark Rothko $10 each
Jah wobble- Heaven and Earth uk $12
H Kaiser/S Kuriokhin- Popular Science $9
Lounge Lizards (Arto Lindsay, S Piccolo, A. Frier, J+E Lurie +)- Live 1979-81
$12  digipack
L Lunch/T Moore/L Hamilton- In Limbo/Drowning $9
L Lunch/T Moore/Clint Ruin- Stinkfist $9
John Zorn- Elegy (eva Japan) new and in original wrap $15, Kristallnacht $11
Laswell- Sacred System chapter 1 new $10
    Sacred System chapter 2 new $10

Chaos in Expansion- Coil, Ligeti/Kazan, C Hayward (sub rosa) $11
Sub Rosa stuff
$11 each except where noted
 Dead Heads and Roses (Controlled bleeding.....) $9,
Majoon Traveller (I Cohen, O Coleman, Lights in Fat City.....),
 Lilith (S Gibbons)- Stone,
Thierry De May- undo, Antonyms (S Lacy, N Rothenberg....),
 X Legged Sally- Eggs and Ashes,
D Shea- Prisoner,  i,
 Stone Cold Heart (soundtracks to SR films).


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From: David Slusser <[e-mail]>
Subject: one more Coltrane
Date: 29 Jan 1998 13:50:58 -0800

Sun Ship.  On Impulse.  I used to hide it before I took any LSD.



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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: one more Coltrane
Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:34:08 -0800


David tripped:


>Sun Ship.  On Impulse.  I used to hide it before I took any LSD.

You say "used to."

Now do you listen to it when you take LSD?

s~Z



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From: "coleman francis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Sound Of Summer Running
Date: 29 Jan 1998 19:54:50 PST

Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm 4 digests behind right now),
but i just saw that there will be a Marc Johnson album released in
Feburary called The Sound Of Summer Running. It features Bill Frisell,
Pat Metheny, and Joey Baron. Sounds like a good time to me. :)

I've been on the list for a few weeks, and this is my first post. I'm
relatively new to the world of Zorn (about 2 or 3 years now.) I have
several of his albums, but am missing as many more. I particularly love
the first Naked City, and the Filmworks albums (I have all but the
first).

Been enjoying the Coltrane/Dolphy threads. A Love Supreme and Out To
Lunch are my faves of each, but again, my collections are far from
complete.
I'm primarily a fan of 70s prog-rock, but I've hugely enjoyed these
guys' works, and am enjoying being on this list.

Have a great day, everyone.

Doug

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Date: 30 Jan 1998 05:00:18 -0700

I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in
any context. Any one else experience this?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: zorn,laswell,live?
Date: 30 Jan 1998 08:55:23 EST

does anyone have any info on live dates for anyone related to avant zorny type
stuff?

i live right now in a shit hole town(wilkes-crotch)pa

i travel to nyc as often as i can,although never seeing anything related to a
nice show any experimentalist would enjoy.


many thanks---lightbeing

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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey
Date: 30 Jan 1998 10:06:00 -0500

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:48:20 -0800
> From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
>
> What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a letter that
> Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic complaining that people brand
> him as "new age", when in fact he hangs out with punks and insists on being
> called "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on about? Did he
> do George Winston - type stuff at one point?
>

 He's pretty dismissive about his earlier work nowadays, seeing himself as
'alternative' or 'punk.'  I wouldn't call his earlier stuff new age- it's got more
thought and body to it though I'd still say it's really nice and relaxing to
hear.  If you want a good sample of this, I recommend RETURN OF THE REPRESSED, a
two-CD set on Rhino.

Funny that you mention George Winston as they happen to be pals- Fahey admits that
George's stuff is pretty wishy-washy but still insists that the guy's got a wild
and mischievous streak to him that doesn't come out in his recordings and
concerts.

Jason
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Sound Of Summer Running
Date: 30 Jan 1998 08:34:35 -0800


    Doug,

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:50 PST  "coleman francis" wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm 4 digests behind right now),
> but i just saw that there will be a Marc Johnson album released in
> Feburary called The Sound Of Summer Running. It features Bill Frisell,
> Pat Metheny, and Joey Baron. Sounds like a good time to me. :)

Do you know on what label?

    Thanks for mentioning it!

    Patrice.

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Date: 30 Jan 1998 08:45:08 -0800


On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:00:18 -0700  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
> shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
> recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
> the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
> something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in

"experimental noise stuff of something like Elegy"?

Are we really buying the same records?

> any context. Any one else experience this?

    Patrice.

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From:    ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Date: 30 Jan 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST)

i think this CD is trying to comment on the fate of the traditional music
which inspired it, which was once a living tradition, and is now relegated
to a bunch of scratchy old 78s on library shelves....etc....

i don't listen to it much, though...i don't think it's a very sincere
attempt at music making.  It's still just another zorn/eye joke, to
me, cloaked though it may be in an aura of meaningful social commentary.
Yawn.

-jascha

> I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
> shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
> recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
> the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
> something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in
> any context. Any one else experience this?
>
> -
>


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From: ROLAND JOST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:02:07 -0500

i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't
concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of
listening to john zorn's cd's/lp's takes you deeper into his music. don't=

expect anything from john zorn and you'll be rewarded with lots of
interesting music and stuff.

cheers
roland

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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Angelus Novus
Date: 30 Jan 1998 13:32:50

So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday...

I'm just listening to it, and so far it's pretty good. In fact the first
composition "For Your Eyes Only" is one of the most kinetic pieces I've
heard from Mr. Zorn in quite a while. It's got some pretty funny musical
paraphrases, some good twelve tone stuff and on the whole is a satisfying,
coherent piece.

Right now I'm listening to Carny for solo piano. It's excellent. It's kind
of reminiscnent of early twentieth century piano works, especially those by
Schoenberg, Poulenc and Messiaen ... yet there are also some brief
interjections of jazzier themes.

If Angelus Novus is any indication, I'd say it's going to be a good year
for Zorn related music.

Jesse


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From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trying to "turn on" others to Zorn
Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:46:40

I look at people and wonder: would this person like Zorn? I don't have many
of Zorn's CDs so I think of NAKED CITY as a test case. I told a guy (in his
early 20's) at work about Zorn, saying how he's a sax player in New York;
that he's been influenced by Ornette Coleman and Anthony Braxton, but also
punk; that he has quick changes in the music and uses a variety of musical
styles; that he's versatile and uses the "post-modern" approach of
quotation within his work. I said if you like "stomp on your face, kick
your head" music you might like it. His eyes get wide, his mouth opens in
a smile: YEAH. So I bring him NAKED CITY and he takes it home for the
night.

He got through "about the first four songs and checked a couple others."
Too much quick changing, too wild, too much "angst" - this last point being
said thrice, clearly being something he felt encapsulated his complaint.

I bet he didn't even get to the Bond theme.

Good thing I didn't give him Pain Killer.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota

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From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Angelus Novus
Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:56:24 -0600

>So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday...
So did I, a few days ago...

I put it on and listened for a while and the best way I can describe "For
Your Eyes Only" is Naked City for classical.  It seems to be interrupting
itself repeatedly, just like the Naked City stuff.  My roomate turned me on
to "New York Flat Top Box" a few weeks ago, that's a tune I relly enjoy.
It fucks with itself but remains coherent.  This is not to say I don't like
it though... Sometimes I wish it had a longer attention span.  I know Zorn
can do it too, take Bar Kohkba for example, these are full pieces.  The
solo piano piece is similar but it's on solo piano.

I realized that I missed the second piece entirely as I was in
conversation.  The only part I remember is the part where a person is half
playing, half grunting through his flute...

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From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Filmworks 8
Date: 30 Jan 1998 16:16:44 -0500

Anybody know what the projected US
release date for Filmworks 8 is?

Also, is it just me or do other people have
problems accessing the news sections at
www.tzadik.com?

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From: "The Platypus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any Aussie Zorn Fans Out There?
Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:33:28 PST

Just wondering whether there were any JOHN ZORN or NAKED CITY fans out
there living in Australia? Let me know privately if possible but in the
meantime check this out!: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8730


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From: [e-mail] (Matthias Hoffmann)
Date: 30 Jan 1998 20:35:49 GMT

Hallo,
I am a novice of the 'Zorn List' and I want to introduce myself with a rather
profane question:
what equipment (horn+mouthpiece) does John use?

Thanks a lot
Matthias

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From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: VICTO 98
Date: 31 Jan 1998 10:32:59 -0500

Would someone be kind enough to post the lineup for this year's
Victoriaville Festival again?
Thanks.

James Hale

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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arto Lindsay, Robert Quine, Ikue Mori interviews
Date: 31 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500

Greetings,

For the new year (which isn't so new anymore), we have these new articles
at  the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>

ARTO LINDSAY INTERVIEW
    Shronk meets samba in a fixture of downtown music
ROBERT QUINE INTERVIEW
    'Side man' extraordinary
IKUE MORI INTERVIEW
    Funky drummer machine virtuoso

A special thanks goes out to the people here on the Zorn list who wrote in
about Quine- thanks to you, we were able to talk him into doing an interview.

As always, we're looking for material for future issues of Perfect Sound,
so let us know if you have any brainstorms or contributions to share with
the online world.

See you in cyberspace,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
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From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Follow up to Jill Kroesen
Date: 31 Jan 1998 20:50:50 PST

Thought I'd follow up on my post for info on Jill Kroesen's "Stop
Vicious Cycles". I found that, even after 16 years, it's still available
on vinyl from Lovely Music at :

http://www.lovely.com

Just in case anyone was interested. It's far from a great album IMHO,
but worth the buy, if only just to hear Bill Laswell wailing away on sax
during the 9+ minute "Fay Shism Blues". A somewhat funny coincidence to
me getting the album this week, as the first song is about the leading
politicians in America needing an insatiable sex-drive!

SW
Want List and Laswell Discography at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093

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