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From: [e-mail]
Subject: low quality Zorn?
Date: 01 Sep 1997 20:02:38 -0700

This being in reference to the recent posts that a) Zorn may be working
to capitalize on his own recent success, and b) his recent work is
suffering , perhaps as a result of the quantity of pieces being put
out.

I don't buy it really.   It seems to me that whenever new Zorn records
have come out in the past four years or so, I have thought them to be
more interesting, more listenable (not a term synonomous with quality OR
beauty), and more diverse and even fun than when I first came across his
music 10 years ago.   Part of that is surely that my own tastes keep
expanding in what I wil listen to I suppose, but why assume that the
recent success/ popularity of his work has caused him to be more
prolific to capitalize on it?  It seems to make more sense that with the
large number of recent releases, his label, live shows (but being in
L.A. his live shows only exist in theory and heresay), and the vast
diversity of the content, that THAT is what has caused more people to
take more notice of his work.

I have the feeling that in 20 years time, music fans will look at the
mid-90's as one of those famous "Periods of Intense Creativity" for John
Zorn.  When Miles Davis was tossing out Prestige Recordings every few
months (and many of those were hurried for financial reasons; so he
could finish his contract and move on to Columbia) those are still some
of the finest pieces of their era.

I'm simply glad that I'm into his music right now, when so much of it is
coming out.  It's exciting.  And not being able to digest it all fast
enough; well... That's a problem I'm willing to live with.
Mark Mauer



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Gainsbourg tribute
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:26:45 -0400 (EDT)

Ok, i guess i'll be the first to ask what's on Great Jewish Music: Serge
Gainsbourg.

Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm



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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Leng T'che date, Slim's in SF, etc.
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT)

A Long Time Ago Allen Gittelson, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>The other somewhat offshoot experience is that the Boredoms once stayed
>in my apartment for about 4 days.  They are about the most quiet
>peaceful people I ever met in my life.  I thought they'd be very loud.
>Yoshimi had a cute little Guinea Pig.  Eye sleeps about 18 hours a day,
>so I hardly got to even say hello to him.  They were opening for Sonic
>Youth in Cleveland, and Sonic Youth was headed up to Canada and the

    Small World. That was the first time I ever
    saw the Boredoms live. Being a Hanatarash and
    Boredoms fan for years, I was psyched to
    discover they were playing 4 dates opening
    for Sonic Youth in the Northeast.

    Since I was flush with frequent flyer miles
    at the time, me and my partner flew from
    Oakland to Cleveland to see that show. It
    was outstanding, especially given that most
    of the audience had NO idea what they were
    about to experience (Sonic Youth had their
    big commercial radio hit about this time).

    Watching Yoshikawa bouncing off of Eye
    and playing effects taped to a pizza box
    was amazing. Within the first 30 seconds
    of the first song, the audience went from
    stunned silence into a frenetic bouncing
    reminiscent of the old punk rock pogoing
    days (before slam dancing).

    One of the best live shows I've ever
    experienced...and I'm not prone to such
    exclamations.

    mike


--
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                   "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Pieces
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:48:30 -0700 (PDT)

A Million Miles Ago Jeff Spirer, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.

    Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double
    CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday.

    mike the record scout

[e-mail] -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com
                   "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
-------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 -------



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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bucketheadland
Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:06:12 +1000

>He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.

Speaking of how masturbatory this is, I was looking at cdnow and saw an up
and coming release called "Buckethead Land" - anyone know if there's any
difference?




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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Baron & Bowie?
Date: 02 Sep 1997 21:07:22 +1000

Was anyone aware that Joey Baron played on David Bowie's album "Outside"?
If this is common knowledge, can someone tell me what sort of playing was
involved, and whether he made any other albums with Bowie...




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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baron & Bowie?
Date: 02 Sep 1997 15:39:30 +0200 (MESZ)

i realized that some days before a masada show in april......i took that
CD to the gig to get it signed by baron and asked him about it......
as far as i remember he just did a few pieces on the album and never
played on any other bowie record....

BJOERN

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Julian wrote:

> Was anyone aware that Joey Baron played on David Bowie's album "Outside"?
> If this is common knowledge, can someone tell me what sort of playing was
> involved, and whether he made any other albums with Bowie...
>
>
>



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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:13:46 -0400

> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:13:23 -0700
> From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #114
>
> At 12:47 AM 8/31/97 -0400, Perfect Sound Forever wrote:
>
> >the second time TR has had a show cancelled in a month in New York- there
> >was one that was supposed to happen at Tramps a month ago that was
> >cancelled because they hadn't sold any advanced tickets.
>
> This is not why the show was cancelled.  The show had been cancelled before
> the ads ran.

My apologies- my sources screwed up.  I do know that there were ads in
the papers for both shows before they were cancelled.  What actually
happened then?

> >Also sad since
> >the show's they've done in California are supposed to have been great.
>
> Well the San Francisco show was certainly great.  Bill didn't seem as
> enthusiastic about the one in LA, which I missed.

Nevertheless, seeing Ulmer, Laswell and Worrell in a group would still
be great even on an 'off' night.  Having the Last Poets on the same bill
would make it even more exciting.  I really hope they do get a chance to
do a show here in New York.

Jason

--
Perfect Sound Forever
Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect



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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions
Date: 02 Sep 1997 08:43:31 -0600

Wow, what an interesting exchange. Being into Henry Cow, long before I was
into Zorn, but liking Zorn better ---this was really enlightening. Issues of
"accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political
statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part? Also, and I know
that everyone does not agree with me, I find this interesting because I feel
that the Zorn/Frith disc is one of his weakest.

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****




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From: Your Name <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baron & Bowie?
Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:24:53 -0400

BJOERN wrote:
>
> i realized that some days before a masada show in april......i took that
> CD to the gig to get it signed by baron and asked him about it......
> as far as i remember he just did a few pieces on the album and never
> played on any other bowie record....
>
Don't know if he's on any other Bowie albums, but he did play on the
tour (at least at the show in D.C.).  I always thought it was pretty
common knowledge....the Washington Post made a point of mentioning his
inclusion in both the album review and the concert review, and they are
often pretty clueless about less mainstream artists.

Matt



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From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (amb) third rail
Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:22:07 PDT

My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza
and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to
lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to
another venue, like the Knitting Factory.

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From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pieces
Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:25:47 PDT

>A Million Miles Ago Jeff Spirer, demi-God and Icon sez:
>>
>>He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>>_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.
>
>    Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double
>    CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday.
>
Buckethead had been selling copies also, for $20.00 (i think) plus
shipping.  I don't know if he still has any, though.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pieces
Date: 02 Sep 1997 15:57:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 02:50:58 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

> >
>  >He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>  >_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.
>
>      Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double
>      CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday.
>

Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new.  If you go to his
official website, I think there is an order form there, and you can also
order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases.

Jody



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions
Date: 02 Sep 1997 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, dennis summers wrote:

> Wow, what an interesting exchange.

Agreed.  Thanks for posting this, Patrice.

> Issues of
> "accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political
> statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part?

Maybe, maybe not.  The talk about politics was joking enough that I'm not
sure how to take Zorn's comments.  There's certainly something political
about Masada. but there's also something political about allowing
improvisers a great deal of freedom within a compositional structure.
Perhaps the difference between Zorn's politics and Cow's is summed up by
the difference netween the Gershom Scholem quote, which graces the covers
of the Masada series and speaks of "a treasure hunt within tradition", and
the John Grierson quote taken as a motto by Cow on _In Praise of
Learning_:  "Art is not a mirror -- It is a hammer"  The latter suggests
the certainty of an  agenda (although it's vague about which one).  The
former suggests a refusal to accept any orthodoxy.  There's a tension
between the two.
     In fairness to Cow, Frith's comments in the exchange Patrice posted
suggest that their agenda mandated an absolute openness to self-criticism.
But their work is sometimes marred by the unquestioning agitprop of the
lyrics.

Chris Hamilton





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (amb) third rail
Date: 02 Sep 1997 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 14:39:18 EDT, [e-mail] (David Brunelle)
writes:

> My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza
>  and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to
>  lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to
>  another venue, like the Knitting Factory.
>

Yes, this is a good idea.  If you book a show in a larger venue like Irving
Plaza or Tramps, and few (or no) advance tickets are sold, the promoter will
get scared and cancel.   And besides, Praxis drew less than 300 people at
their last NYC show, so I think it would be wise for Third Rail to play a
smaller venue.



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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: film-project (fwd)
Date: 03 Sep 1997 00:50:34 -0700 (PDT)


    Thought I would forward this message
    I got...if anyone can help this dear
    man, please email him privately.
    thanks,
    mike

>02.09.1997
>
>Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
>for the purpose of an avantgarde-film-project, which will take place in
>Frankfurt/Main (Germany) in November/December 1997, we intend to present
>several motion pictures in combination with the appropriate soundtracks
>by John Zorn. In this case it is concerning the pictures äElegant
>Spankingô, äA Lot of Fun for the Evil Oneô, directed by Maria Beatty
>and äHeretic. Jeux des Dames Cruellesô.
>Our problem is, that we havenÆt gotten the movies yet, but we already
>have the music at our disposal. Our inquiries have all been unsuccessful
>so far, thus we are trying to get some information to attain the
>pictures via the web.
>
>The above-mentioned project is planned by the äF÷rderverein Film
>Frankfurt am Mainô (Frankfurt Film Foundation), represented by the
>musicologist Michael Rebhahn and the film-historian Dr. Harald
>Englmeier, who is also the chairman of the foundation.
>
>If you know of any possibility of how to get the motion pictures,
>we would be very grateful if you would contact us.
>
>Thank you very much for your consideration.
>
>Yours sincerely
>Michael Rebhahn
>
>Please mail to:  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Microtonal music at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival.
Date: 03 Sep 1997 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT)

Just a quick note...

I'll be performing my guitar synth. & tape work
"The Tyranny of Equal Tempermant"
at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival on Sept. 6, 1997.
I should be playing at Joe's Mill Hill Bar sometime between 12 and 6pm.

The synthesizer will be tuned in a harmonic series just
intonation. For those interested in these kind of things,
the prime limit of 37, but it could get higher. Special
appearance by 7/6, the septimal third. I'll be improvising
and on tape I'll be reading
selections from Walter Piston's textbooks Harmony and
Orchestration with analog and digital sound processing.
Title from Harry Partch's Genesis of a Music.

Let me know if you need directions. The festival is of course free.

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   http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm    *    .  .  .
. ..         .*..  *  . .  .       .*       ..*.   .   ..  . *.




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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUCKETHEAD/DISK show
Date: 03 Sep 1997 08:19:23 -0700


Buckethead and DJ Disk will be performing at 205 Club in NYC next Tuesday,  9
September.

That's at 205 Chrystie Street, corner of Stanton and Chrystie one block
south of Houston.

Ion will be recording for a live CD at this show.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
Date: 03 Sep 1997 09:52:29 -0700

At 06:32 PM 8/30/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>So!
>It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a
>re-schedual?

Here is the story on the Third Rail concert.  I wanted to get some details.

The concert has been cancelled, and Irving Plaza was disappointed with
advance ticket sales.  However, advance ticket sales for the show in San
Francisco were extremely low (the club wanted to cancel) but the show sold
out.  The show probably would have done well if they had let it happen.

There have been some comparisons to the Praxis show, which didn't sell real
well.  The Praxis show was barely promoted, nobody knew where to get
tickets (I got a lot of inquiries), the location was not particularly
convenient or well-known.

There is an effort going on to reschedule the concert at another venue.  As
soon as I hear there is some progress, I will post it here.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
Date: 03 Sep 1997 18:46:57 -0500



> >It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a
> >re-schedual?
>
> Here is the story on the Third Rail concert.  I wanted to get some
details.
>
> Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !   Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of
Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example....

glenn



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
Date: 03 Sep 1997 23:05:17 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Glenn Astarita wrote:

> > Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
> disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
> stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !   Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of
> Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example....

Hmmm...  I was pleasantly surprised myself, given how much I hated
_America - Do You Remember the Love?_.  I definitely think, in terms of
quality of material and playing, it's Ulmer's best blues/rock-oriented
work since _Odyssey_.  And, while nothing he's done since _Odyssey_ has
been really groundbreaking, I'd rate the recent Music Revelation Ensemble
albums much higher than the Ornette tribute as jazz-oriented work.  The
playing just seems more intense, and the ensembles more integrated.

     I do think Ulmer's work has suffered in general since he started
separating the various strands of his music into genre-oriented records.

Chris Hamilton





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From: [e-mail] (Holtby)
Subject: New Misha Mengelberg Trio
Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT)


    -Being a large fan of Mengelberg's "Who's Bridge" trio recording with Joey
Baron and Brad Jones, I was delighted to see that Cadence's center section
offers a new Mengelberg trio disc entitled "No Idea".  Apparently Mengelberg
has switched from Avant to DIW for this one, and, while retaining Joey
Baron, has replaced Jones with G. Cohen.

    Begore biting the bullet, I wonder if anyone has heard this and might give
a recommendation.  Are these Mengelberg compositions?

Thanks-
Doug H.




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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: preZorn
Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000

Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
etc.?




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From: Matt Jukins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute Years Box Set
Date: 04 Sep 1997 07:52:22 -0400

Hi all,

FYI, the Parachute years box can be pre-ordered at www.cdnow.com.
It costs $89.95 plus shipping.

-Matt



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
Date: 04 Sep 1997 07:24:09 -0700

At 06:46 PM 9/3/97 -0500, Glenn Astarita wrote:

> Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
>disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
>stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !

This seems to be one of those albums that draws reactions like this or the
polar opposite.  I think it is its minimalism.  I liked it as soon as I
heard it because it instantly reminded me of Booker T and the MGs (!), a
favorite band when I was a kid.

The live show in San Francisco was quite a contrast, so if the play in NYC,
impressions of the disc should not keep anyone from going.  It was a
blistering funk show, much more dense that the CD,  with Blood grinding
ecstasy out of his guitar.  The high point was a cover of Portishead
(another !) that Amina sang.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html



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From: ⌠° <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500

Julian wrote:
>
> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
> etc.?


    Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so,
I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra,
Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I
believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio
Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then.
    You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your
Life" for a good overview of this stuff.
    As far as experimental music, I would mention Cage, Subotnick,
Labarbara, and especially Moondog, one of the most interesting
characters ever to prowl the streets of Manhattan.



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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rivbea
Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:20:23 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, =F4=F8 wrote:

> =09Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so,
> I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra,
> Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I
> believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio
> Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then.=20

Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that=20
preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower"=20
series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft.  The one I have=20
features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton,=20
Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake.  These haven't been=20
reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and=20
I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if=20
only for taping purposes).

b



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Frisell dates
Date: 04 Sep 1997 17:21:06 -0400 (EDT)

Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested.

PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO
Tues Sept. 16 thru
Sun. Sept. 21         Village Vanguard, NYC
BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG)
Wed, Sept. 24        Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL
Thur, Sept. 25        Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA
Fri, Sept. 26        Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN
Sun, Sept. 28        Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Mon, Sept. 29         Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Wed, Oct. 1         Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM
Fri, Oct. 3          Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO
Sat, Oct. 4         Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX
JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER
Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16    Knitting Factory, NYC
BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS
Wed, Oct. 22         Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN
Thur, Oct. 23         The Walker, Minneapolis, MN
Fri, Oct. 24        Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA
Sat, Oct. 25        St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY
BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO
Sat, Nov. 1        Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN
Mon, Nov. 3        Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY
Tues, Nov. 4        Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY
Wed, Nov. 5        Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK
Thu, Nov. 6        Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM
Sat, Nov. 8        Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND
Sun, Nov. 9        pending Koln, GERMANY
Mon, Nov. 10        pending The Hague, HOLLAND
Tues, Nov. 11        pending Firenze, ITALY
Wed, Nov. 12        pending Catanzaro, ITALY
Thur, Nov. 13        Strasbourg, FRANCE
Fri, Nov. 14        Nevers, FRANCE
Sat, Nov. 15        Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Frisell dates
Date: 04 Sep 1997 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT)

Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested.

PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO
Tues Sept. 16 thru
Sun. Sept. 21         Village Vanguard, NYC
BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG)
Wed, Sept. 24        Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL
Thur, Sept. 25        Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA
Fri, Sept. 26        Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN
Sun, Sept. 28        Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Mon, Sept. 29         Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Wed, Oct. 1         Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM
Fri, Oct. 3          Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO
Sat, Oct. 4         Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX
JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER
Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16    Knitting Factory, NYC
BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS
Wed, Oct. 22         Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN
Thur, Oct. 23         The Walker, Minneapolis, MN
Fri, Oct. 24        Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA
Sat, Oct. 25        St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY
BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO
Sat, Nov. 1        Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN
Mon, Nov. 3        Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY
Tues, Nov. 4        Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY
Wed, Nov. 5        Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK
Thu, Nov. 6        Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM
Sat, Nov. 8        Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND
Sun, Nov. 9        pending Koln, GERMANY
Mon, Nov. 10        pending The Hague, HOLLAND
Tues, Nov. 11        pending Firenze, ITALY
Wed, Nov. 12        pending Catanzaro, ITALY
Thur, Nov. 13        Strasbourg, FRANCE
Fri, Nov. 14        Nevers, FRANCE
Sat, Nov. 15        Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND




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From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  preZorn
Date: 04 Sep 1997 19:15:03 -0800

>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000
>From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: preZorn
>
>Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
>experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
>etc.?

Other people have already covered the improvised music scene pretty well,
so I'll just limit my comments to the experimental side of things

Non-academic new music composers active before Zorn included folks
associated with John Cage, both composers writing for "classical
instruments like Morton Feldman, Christian Wolff, etc. & those creating
pieces for live elctronics like David Tudor, the MEVgang (Alvin Curran,
Richard Teitelbaum) minimalists (including lots of people who didn't &
still don't use repetitive patterns), Robert Ashley & people associated
with the 1960s ONCE group and/or the Center for Contemporary Music in Bay
area during the 1970s (many recording on the label Lovely Music document
these folks).

Performing venues in NY included Experimental Intermedia Foundation (still
sctive in the same place on Centre St in Chinatown) the Kitchen (now in
Chelsea), and lots of loft spaces that don't exist anymore.  While Roulette
may be best known as a venue for downtown improvisors, it also presented
many composers & performers who had (& still have) little to do with this
scene.

Some libraries will have a couple of books that cover this material: the
Voice of New Music by Tom Johnson (composer & critic for the Village
Voice), published by Apollohuis in Eindhoven, the Netherlands.  &
Experimental Music by Michael Nyman, published by Schirmer, I think.  The
current Village Voice new music critic, Kyle Gann, has a forthcoming book
that sounds like it will deal with this in part, though unlike the Johnson
book, it isnt' a collection of columns from the Voice.

Looking at the new music scene in NY in reference to the downtown
improvisors skews things to the extent that there was, and continues to be,
a prety strong scene there that existed prior to the arrival of this set of
folks.


Herb Levy
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Zorn Scores?
Date: 04 Sep 1997 21:11:01 -0700

Greetings:

I am involved in a newly formed contemporary music ensemble that is
attempting to bring the work of composers of the last 20-30 years to the
ears of America's heartland.  (Greeley, Colorado to be exact.)  I have a
particular interest in bringing the works of the more cutting edge
"underground" New York composers to light.

Does anybody know if there are any Zorn scores available?  I remember
somebody on the list saying that they had the scores to a game piece or
two.  Are there "scores" available for any of the Cobra stuff or perhaps
Bar Kokhba/Masada Chamber Ensemble scores floating around out there?

We would also be interested in scores of Wayne Horwitz's music, Bill
Laswell's music, Joey Baron's music (e.g. _Raised Pleasure Dot_), etc.

If anyone has access to this type of material or knows where I might be
able to find it, I would be much in your debt if you would e-mail me to let
me know.  Our first date is set for Oct. 12, and it would be great to have
at least one Zorn piece on this concert.

Thanks,


Doug Tapia
General Manager, MTP

UNC Music Tech Press
University of Northern Colorado
Fraiser 108
Greeley, CO 80639

Voice: 970-351-2614
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

http://arts.univnorthco.edu/mtp





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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell dates
Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:31:24 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:

> JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON
> CARTER
> Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16  Knitting Factory, NYC

I got a look at the September/October Knitting Factory program guide
today (pathetic skimpy skinny little thing...) and I noticed that while
Frisell and Carter are confirmed, the saxophonist is listed as TBA.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  preZorn
Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT)



On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Herb Levy wrote:

> the MEVgang (Alvin Curran,
> Richard Teitelbaum)

Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?  I'm aware of
recent work by Curran and Teitelbaum, but my only familiarity with MEV is
a short film of a late-60's performance which really knowcked me on my
ass.

Chris Hamilton






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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rivbea
Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:30:41 -0400 (EDT)



On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote:

> Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that
> preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower"
> series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft.  The one I have
> features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton,
> Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake.  These haven't been
> reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and
> I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if
> only for taping purposes).

These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity.  The volume I
own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French
label.  More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and
_Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series.
These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd
Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate
Zorn's emergence.  But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft
scene was like.  (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't
there.)  _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight
minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave.

Chris Hamilton





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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT)



In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recommend
checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impact on
the NYC scene in the mid-70's.

Chris Hamilton





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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  preZorn
Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?

unfortunately, i don't know much
about MEV (would like to know
more!), but i do knwo there is a
CD from an old performance that
is available through Anomalous
and Forced Exposure.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.




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From: joshua herrin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116
Date: 05 Sep 1997 01:05:29 -0600

Jody wrote:

> Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new.  If you go
> to his official website, I think there is an order form there, and
> you can also order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases.

Where is his official website located? I did a net search  for about 20
minutes and found nothing.



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From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Official Buckethead Web site
Date: 05 Sep 1997 07:48:08 -0400

http://www.spiderwerks.com/bucketheadland/




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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: RMB
Date: 05 Sep 1997 08:59:44 -0400

Hey!

Following is an excerpt from rec.music.bluenote from a thread about the
attitude of big chain record store employees.

> >
> >"This is Memphis Slim, Lonnie Johnson, Lightnin' Hopkins.  They're
> >hardly obscure."  I should have apologized that these discs weren't
> >European electronica/trance/dub remixes of something I already bought
> >last month, i.e., the sort of music Tower likes to blast over their
> >sound systems to ensure brief visits by anyone under twenty.
>
> Hey, you can thank Laswell for some of this.  Really hard shit to be open minded
> about...

Geez, these folks are such narrow minded a**holes. This follows another
thread about how bad it is to do dub remixes of "classic" jazz.

Anybody wonder about whether Coltrane's version of My Favorite Things
(for example) was an expansion of an existing "classic"? How about the
myriad of other "classic" jazz tunes that are in fact reworkings of
older tunes? That sure seems OK. I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay
these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok.

Happily, someone responded to the dreck above:

>(In best Ronald Reagan voice)-- "Well, there you go again, George..."
>
>C'mon. Cut this ridiculous crap out. Really. C'mon.
>
>(This time as Tina Turner [the most happening looking 50ish/nearly 60ish
>woman on Earth])--
>"What's Laswell, got to do, got to do with it?"
>"What's Laswell, but a Jazz-Re-cord-Produ-cer?..."
>
>C'mon man. Laswell has nothing to do with "spoiling the musical tastes of
>America".
>And he has nothing whatsoever to do with bad management and customer
>service at Virgin, Tower, Sam Goody, or Media Play. He really doesn't.
>
It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some
open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music.



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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: MEV
Date: 05 Sep 1997 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:

> > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?

I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point,"
although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album.  I also know that
MEV member Richard Teitelbaum has also released some rekkids with Anthony
Braxton.

b



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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 05 Sep 1997 12:41:52 -0400

>Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500
>From: tx <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: preZorn
>
>Julian wrote:
>>
>> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
>> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
>> etc.?

>    You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your
>Life" for a good overview of this stuff.

God yes!  This is one of the best books about music that I've ever read-
great stories, details and history everywhere.  The only thing I could ask
for is an updated edition.  Recently, she did an excellent article about
Sun Ra in the lastest issue of the Wire.

Jason




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RMB
Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT)



On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Sean Terwilliger wrote:

> I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay
> these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok.

I imagine many of them probably would.  Most RMBers seem to like to think
of the recording process as transparent.  I was especially amused by the
guy on the other thread you mentioned who wrote something like, "Dub's
fine, but wouldn't you rather hear an original piece of that kind of
music?"  An exceptional case of cluelessness.  I do still find RMB a good
source of info on jazz, though, as long as I stay away from the obvious
hot buttons (Laswell, electric Miles, Marsalis).

Chris Hamilton





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: painkiller re-release
Date: 05 Sep 1997 16:20:40 -0500 (CDT)

I've been putting off buying Painkiller's Execution Ground album ever since I
started hearing rumours that it was going to be re-released in a three disc
format on the Tzadik label. It's been a while since I heard anything about
this so I was wondering if anyone had any information regarding weather or not
it will see the light before the end of the year.

Thanks,

Jesse



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BCMA Fall Schedule, w/ Cul de Sac's Faust soundtrack
Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:54:45 -0400 (EDT)

Hey folks!  The Boston Creative Music Alliance is gearing up for an amazing
Fall Season at our new location!  Hope to see you at some if not all of the
shows!
Jonathan LaMaster
BCMA & UnSound Productions

The Boston Creative Music Alliance, winner of a 1997 Best of Boston Award
for its New Histories music series at the ICA, is pleased to announce an
expanded season of programming in a new venue. The fall season includes a
special monthly series featuring Boston-area performers, as well as
concerts by Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble, and the Equal
Interest trio, featuring Joseph Jarman, Leroy Jenkins, and Myra Melford,
and the Dave Douglas Sextet.

All concerts will take place at the Dante Alighieri Society Cultural Center
at 41 Hampshire St., Cambridge. Conveniently located at the corner of
Hampshire and Portland St., near the Kendall Square cinema complex and the
pubs and restaurants at One Kendall Square, the Center seats more than 200
in an intimate performance space designed by world-renowned architect,
Pietro Belluschi. Only a five minute walk from the Kendall Square stop on
the Red Line, the Dante also had free parking in its adjoining lot. "We are
very pleased with our new home," says BCMA Director Gillian Levine, "The
Dante Alighieri Center is a beautiful facility with acoustic qualities that
are especially well suited to the kinds of bands we like to present."

All concerts will begin at 8pm. Tickets for the Boston Series are $10.
Tickets for all other concerts are $15. Tickets are available in advance at
Twisted Village, 12 Elliot St., Cambridge. [phone]. For further
information, photographs and press kits, call the BCMA [phone].

The BCMA Fall 1997 season includes:

Boston Series Thursday, September 11. Cul de Sac play a their soundtrack to
the silent film classic "Faust", by F.W. Murnau. Instrumental rock-based
improvisation from an iconoclastic quartet featuring Robin Amos on
synthesizer; Chris Fujiwara on bass; Glenn Jones on guitar; and Michael
Knoblach on drums.

Boston Series. Sunday, October 5. The Dave Bryant Quintet featuring George
Garzone. The concert debut of a dynamic harmolodic quintet led by the
keyboardist for Ornette Coleman and Prime Time. The band features
saxophonist George Garzone, bassist John Turner, and drummers Chris Bowman
and Bob Gullotti.

November 1. Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble. In their Boston
debut, Ehrlich's chamber jazz ensemble, featuring cellist Eric Friedlander
and bassist Mark Helias, will play material from their recently released
double CD Live Wood (Music & Arts), recorded live during their 1996
European tour.

November 7. Equal Interest, featuring saxophonist Joseph Jarman, violinist
Leroy Jenkins, and pianist Myra Melford (Last heard in a sellout BCMA
concert with her own quintet, The Same River, Twice). The Boston debut of a
collaborative trio of new music masters whose self-titled CD debut, with
Lindsey Horner and Jeffry Shanzer is due in October from Ocean Records.

Boston Series. Thursday, November 13. Kobold. Saxophonist Steve Norton,
trombonist Tom Plsek, bassist Craig Schildhauer, and drummer Laurence Cook
celebrate the release of their debut CD on Eighth Day Records.

Wednesday, December 3, Dave Douglas Sextet. New music phenomenon Douglas,
impressive in his appearance with John Zorn's Masada at last year's BCMA
concert at the ICA, now brings his own sextet, featuring saxophonist Chris
Speed, trombonist Josh Roseman, pianist Uri Caine, bassist James Genus, and
drummer Ben Perowsky, for their Boston debut. Their new CD, Stargazer, a
tribute to Wayne Shorter, is scheduled for release in October. Exploring
the jazz tradition fresh, creative approach to the jazz tradition of the
1960s.

Boston series. Thursday December 11. Either/Orchestra. The BCMA is proud to
present the first Boston appearance by the Either/Orchestra  in a year. A
corner stone of new music in Boston and one of the leading big bands in the
US, this 10-piece ensemble .

The Boston Creative Music Alliance, a nonprofit corporation dedicated to
presenting new improvised music, gratefully acknowledges the support of the
Englehard Foundation, anonymous private donations,. Funded in part by a
grant from the New England Foundation for the Arts, and Meet the Composer,
Inc., with support from the Metropolitan Life Foundation and ASCAP, with
additional support from the Massachusetts Cultural Council, and the
National Endowment for the Arts. Design consultants: Tabula Rasa.




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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rivbea
Date: 05 Sep 1997 21:51:37 -0400

Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote:
>
> > Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that
> > preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower"
> > series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft.  The one I have
> > features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton,
> > Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake.  These haven't been
> > reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and
> > I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if
> > only for taping purposes).
>
> These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity.  The volume I
> own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French
> label.  More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and
> _Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series.
> These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd
> Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate
> Zorn's emergence.  But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft
> scene was like.  (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't
> there.)  _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight
> minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave.
>
> Chris Hamilton

one of those 'Live From soundscape' albums has a recording of an
improvisation by George Lewis and Derek Bailey which I really like.
Those are some cool albums. Ed Blackwell is on one and Don Cherry etc.

            -Tom Pratt



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 06 Sep 1997 15:43:48 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Julian wrote:

> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
> etc.?

there's a book what compiles articles/reviews of some guy (forgot the
name) who (used to?) write to village voice... the title? forgot... i
know i'm all too helpful today... :)  'writings about new music' or
something pretty boring... but it was a great book. a slight emphasis
towards minimalism - reich, glass, brancha, chatham, la monte young all
get covered - althought non-minimalist artists like zorn appear on later
articles.

i loaned it from somewhere long time ago. hmmm, better dig it up. has
some quite entertaining stuff, quite long article about music on pinball
machines for example...


 teemu, i think...

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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117
Date: 06 Sep 1997 09:52:55 -0400

At 07:39 PM 9/5/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:15:03 -0800
>From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re:  preZorn
>
>Some libraries will have a couple of books that cover this material: the
>Voice of New Music by Tom Johnson (composer & critic for the Village
>Voice), published by Apollohuis in Eindhoven, the Netherlands.  &
>Experimental Music by Michael Nyman, published by Schirmer, I think.  The
>current Village Voice new music critic, Kyle Gann, has a forthcoming book
>that sounds like it will deal with this in part, though unlike the Johnson
>book, it isnt' a collection of columns from the Voice.

Great info here.  Do you have these books?  Which artists are described there?

I would also recommend John Rockwell's ALL-AMERICAN MUSIC.  It features
chapters on Milton Babbitt, Elliott Carter, John Cage, Robert Ashley, David
Behrman, Max Neuhaus and others.

Jason



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From: Jason Edward Kocol <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote
Date: 06 Sep 1997 09:12:30 -0700

> It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some
> open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music.

     You know, I have never checked out that newsgroup, but if the
content was how you put it, I don't plan on doing it anytime soon.  :)
     However, the term "open-mined" can be very much misunderstood.  How
I like to see it, and maybe others do to, is that you'll at least give
something a chance BEFORE you either love it to death or can't stand it
and feel the need to put it down (even though I am not for insulting
anyone's artistic expression).  I DON'T see open-minded as being
required by some unwritten rule that you have to like EVERYTHING. No one
can be rightfully EXPECTED to like everything.  There is music that is
out there that I cannot stand, yet how did I get that way?  Well, I
carefully listened and payed attention, and through that form of
"research" I found my reasons for not liking it, and that's the end of
it.
     Some of us who enjoy music that either pushes the limits or
experiments choose to call others that don't enjoy what we like
close-minded.  That, I believe, is just writing them off.  Sure, most
people don't give it a chance, and there's your close-mindedness, but
for those who DID hear it first and then decided, no one can persecute
them for trying.  At least they did the music a favor by giving it a
listen.
     Sorry if this is considered a rant, but I think it's something that
may need to be addressed and thought about.  Take care all.

-Jason
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy



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From: AndrΘ Godin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117
Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:19:09 -0300

> In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recommend
> checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impact on
> the NYC scene in the mid-70's.
>
> Chris Hamilton

I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader
Henry Threadgill a few years back.  I read that they use to tune their
drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly.  Anyways, anyone
known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd?  And if so, who
distributes it?

Andre Godin



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From: [e-mail] (joel lewis)
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116
Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:44:16 -0400 (EDT)

>
>Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
>experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
>etc.?

yowie! big subject.... but the main venue in the mid-seventies was the
Kitchen, where zorn often played.... biggies were steve reich and philip
glass who played often and cheaply (saw reich's music for 18 musicians for
free at old custom house in '78)... jazz was struggling in the period, but
there was a big loft jazz scene in noho at ladies's fort sam rivers' studio
rivbea and others-- david murray geys his start here (stanley crouch was
playing drums w/ him at the time!).. this scene was a definite influence on
downtown boys as the loft scene were definite d.iy. types w/ their
ownlabels and concert promtions.. and let's not forget glen branca and the
whole scene around john cage that included folks like philip corner,
etc.... also cage himself-- saw his 65th b'day concert at whitnet where two
works were premiered (tickets: 2 dollars!!) bottom l;line was that there
was much availible stuff if you knew where to look,, in fact, my best emory
of zorn in the period was his working at the soho music gallery , a record
store on broome street, as his music was not paying the bills at the
time..... zorn has often talked about how exciting the non-trad music scene
of the 70's was....

joellewis






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From: ⌠⌠ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116
Date: 06 Sep 1997 15:34:30 -0500

joel lewis wrote:
> in fact, my best memory
> of zorn in the period was his working at the soho music gallery , a
> record store on broome street, as his music was not paying the bills
> at the time...

     What a great store! besides the downtown stuff they had an amazing
jazz section. I was allways able to find the latest OGUN Lp's there.
I actually bought my copy of Archery from jz at SMG, and I remember
Anton Fier working there too. Zorn was allways happy to point out
recordings he was fond of,  and make suggestions to those who asked.
That store is definitly missed. Downtown Music is just too small to
carry all the stuff SMG did, and Tower is the pits, although its worth
noting that Guitarist Myles Boisen, and Bassist Melvin Gibbs both worked
in the Tower Jazz dept, during the early 80's. Kind of ironic, given the
ongoing thread (here and in rmb), about today's moronic record store
employees.



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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117
Date: 06 Sep 1997 13:47:11 -0700



Andr=E9 Godin wrote:

> > In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recomme=
nd
> > checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impac=
t on
> > the NYC scene in the mid-70's.
> >
> > Chris Hamilton
>
> I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader
> Henry Threadgill a few years back.  I read that they use to tune their
> drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly.  Anyways, anyone
> known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd?  And if so, who
> distributes it?
>
> Andre Godin

When the going gets tough, I recommend Cadence Northcountry for tracking =
things
down.  They have a wonderful person on staff, "Slim," whose job is to fin=
d hard
to find things.

Phone:  [phone]
http://cadencebuilding.com
Slim:  [e-mail]
orders: [e-mail]





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From: max <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rashaan Roland Kirk
Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:32:49 -0400

It seems to me that Zorn must have been influenced by Kirk's attitude
towards music, and his role in expanding the limits of traditional jazz.
Has anyone read or heard interviews where Zorn lists him as an
influence?

Max



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From: max <[e-mail]>
Subject: Step Across the Border
Date: 06 Sep 1997 20:11:53 -0400

Has Anyone seen this film? It has such a great soundtrack (Frith,
Parkins, Cora, Laswell, Zorn, et. al.). Has it been released on video?

Max



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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: "downtown"
Date: 07 Sep 1997 23:10:56 +1000

Thankyou very much to everyone who answered my question about the pre-Zorn
era in New York. Now, I have a much shorter and probably simpler-to-answer
question.
Recently, I've been hearing a lot about the word "downtown". Is this term:

- used to describe the area in New York
- used to describe the music style
  or
- both of the above...?

And also, when did this term come into use? (sorry for all these lame
questions, I'm doing research for a project.)

Thanks,
Research Boy




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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Step Across the Border
Date: 07 Sep 1997 15:36:40 +0200 (MESZ)


> Has Anyone seen this film? It has such a great soundtrack (Frith,
> Parkins, Cora, Laswell, Zorn, et. al.). Has it been released on video?
>
> Max
>
yepp here in germany it is available.......i dont know exactly what
company released it but i`ll find out...

BJOERN



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From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
Subject: How do I subscribe to the Digest Format?
Date: 07 Sep 1997 20:54:55 -0400 (EDT)

Zorniacs:
I need help.  I cant read all these messages fast enough, and I need to turn
over to the digest format.  I would've emailed Mike Rizzi, but I lost the
address.  Please help!!!

Much Respect,
Rich




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From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp
Date: 08 Sep 1997 17:29:39 +0900

That is a Duchamp`s last work.

See http://www.val.net/~tim/duchamp-aug96.html

But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ?

--
katsuhiro hayasaka  [e-mail]
Tokyo, Japan.

[e-mail] wrote
>Hi,
>
>I just bought Duras:Duchamp today and enjoying it as well, when I saw
>behind the CD holder some colours. I removed the holder to find a
>picture of a naked woman (possibly dead) lying on the ground with a
>candle in her hand. Just sharing info.
>
>Jeremy
>Harry
>CUSTOM T-CLUB
>[e-mail]
>1-888-TEE-CLUB (1-888-533-2582)
>Tel:[phone]  Fax: [phone]
>980 Alness St., Unit #30,
>Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
>M3J 2S2
>
>



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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Speedfreaks
Date: 09 Sep 1997 00:08:59 +1000

I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some
fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks.
Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it
really just excellent playing. At first I thought well they're great
musicians, they could handle those changes, since even I after a few
listens could spot the changes and play along. But then I thought maybe
they didn't put that much into the song, maybe they did just cut and paste.
Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting)
theories?




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From: "David J. Strauss" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rhino charged
Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT)


> > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?

I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point,"
although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album.

True. And Rhino just re-released the Zabriske soundtrack as a 2 CD set,
with no MEV. In fact, the first disc actually has LESS music than the LP,
as they don't include a Roy Orbison song that wasn't hip-pie enough.
Rather than include MEV or more of John Fahey's unused improvisations
(they may have dissappeared, actually), they dedicate the 2nd disc to
out-takes by Jerry Garcia and Pink Floyd. At least they spent some money
on the packaging.

DS
[e-mail]






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From: mike burma <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Speedfreaks
Date: 08 Sep 1997 09:39:12 -0700

>I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some
>fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks.
>Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it
>really just excellent playing.

>Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting)
>theories?

    At a live performance in San Francisco, they played 'Speedfreaks'
    perfectly. I just stood there with the bottom of my jaw touching
    the top of my shoes. Twas remarkable.

    burma






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From: Mason Wendell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Speedfreaks
Date: 08 Sep 1997 12:46:43 -0400

At 12:08 AM 9/9/97 +1000, you wrote:
>I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some
>fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks.
>Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it
>really just excellent playing. At first I thought well they're great
>musicians, they could handle those changes, since even I after a few
>listens could spot the changes and play along. But then I thought maybe
>they didn't put that much into the song, maybe they did just cut and paste.
>Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting)
>theories?
>
>
>
>

None of the music that Naked City played was recorded using
Cut'n'Paste-style overdubs. Including Speedfreaks. During rehearsal, the
band would decide on specific arrangement points, (like who would play
which particular line, what samples for Horvitz to play, etc) and and work
the tune up to where they could play it in one go live or in he studio. NC,
like Masada and unlike projcts like Spillane and Elegy, was Zorn's live
band at the time. And what really makes the pieces work is that they are
each played wholly and completly and not pieced together in the studio.

Also, I'm putting my band Prelapse back together now. Those of you who've
been on the list since the early days might remember us as the band that
played the music of Naked City from Zorn's scores. Well, that's ezactly
what we're doing now but we're also adding new original works of our own
into the mix. So if anyone out there could give me a lead on any possible
gigs in the northeast US, we'd really appreciate it.
                        Mason Wendell
    Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html
               Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv
Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble
              Freelance Computer Music Copying



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From: "David J. Strauss" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rhino charged
Date: 08 Sep 1997 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT)


> > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?

> I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point,"
> although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album.

True. And Rhino just re-released the Zabriske soundtrack as a 2 CD set,
with no MEV. In fact, the first disc actually has LESS music than the LP,
as they don't include a Roy Orbison song that wasn't hip-pie enough.
Rather than include MEV or more of John Fahey's unused improvisations
(they may have dissappeared, actually), they dedicate the 2nd disc to
sub-par out-takes by Jerry Garcia and Pink Floyd. At least they spent
some money on the packaging.

DS
[e-mail]





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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: New York In Los Angeles
Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:21:18 -0700

the owner of the Knitting Factory is guest DJ on KCRW [Santa Monica]
even as I type...tomorrow Bill Laswell will be doing the same from
11am-noon...

Sz




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From: "kevin cornish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada 8
Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:10:46 +0100

hi all

can anyone tell me where to get masada 8 on DIW lable
on the internet

cd now only sell on EVA lable

many thanks [e-mail]




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From: "Anthony 'Twizzler' Saunders" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Speedfreaks
Date: 08 Sep 1997 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Julian wrote:

> I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately...

 Always a good thing...

> maybe they did just cut and paste.
> Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting)
> theories?

 Well, someone I knew saw them live twice, and they pulled it off live, so
I assume it was actually played. Its too smooth for 89 to be cut ups... I
think...

 anthony (who just moved back to college and still owes people tapes,
dreadfully sorry, I'll get right on it...)

"You know, Arthur, when evil is afoot, and you don't have any arms,
you've gotta use your head.  And when evil is ahead and you're behind,
you've gotta do the legwork.  But, (dramatic pause) when you can't get a
leg up, you gotta be hip.  You gotta keep your chin up, and kick some..."
"Tick, we get the idea."
 - "Armless not harmless" espisode of The Tick




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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: pfMENTUM
Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:51:15 -0700

For any interested SoCalifornians, and anyone else interested in
newsletter discussions:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PRESS RELEASE

RE:  Ventura New Music Concert Series
FROM: Co-Directors Jeff Kaiser and Keith McMullen

We are pleased to announce the resurrection of the Ventura New Music
Concert Series (VNMCS) and the inauguration of a newsletter designed to
promote the series.

VNMCS began under the direction of Mr. Kaiser in 1989.  Over its initial
6 year existence, the series hosted world-class performances by West
Coast artists in a variety of locations throughout Ventura, from Art
City to City Hall.  The series has focused on contemporary music, from
chamber opera to creative improvised music.  Following a two-year
hiatus, we are excited to announce events upcoming.

The newsletter, pfMENTUM, will be published prior to each performance
and will provide information on upcoming events, interviews, and
music-related editorials.  We hope to stimulate interest in, and
dialogue about, the continuing vitality of music in contemporary
culture.  Subscriptions are free.

To receive the initial copy, please contact Jeff Kaiser in one of the
following ways:

Phone:  [phone]
Mail:   PO Box 1653, Ventura CA 93002
E-Mail: [e-mail]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The first performance will be in November...a double-quartet featuring
Vinnie Golia on reeds, performing a composition by Jeff Kaiser...first
newsletter mid-October...

Sz




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From: Jacques Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Misha Mengelberg Trio
Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:03:02 +0200 (MET DST)


>On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
>From: [e-mail] (Holtby)
>
>    -Being a large fan of Mengelberg's "Who's Bridge" trio recording
>with Joey
>Baron and Brad Jones, I was delighted to see that Cadence's center section
>offers a new Mengelberg trio disc entitled "No Idea".  Apparently Mengelberg
>has switched from Avant to DIW for this one, and, while retaining Joey
>Baron, has replaced Jones with G. Cohen.
>
>    Begore biting the bullet, I wonder if anyone has heard this and
>might give
>a recommendation.  Are these Mengelberg compositions?
>
>Thanks-
>Doug H.

Yes it is a very good, highly recommendable record.
There are jazz standards (including one Ellington's composition), an
original by Mengelberg (called 'No Idea'), and the great Herbie Nichol's
composition called 'House Party Starting'.

Jacques





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From: Vince Kargatis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote
Date: 09 Sep 1997 15:04:14 -0400 (EDT)

> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 09:12:30 -0700
> From: Jason Edward Kocol <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote
>
> > It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some
> > open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music.
>
>      You know, I have never checked out that newsgroup, but if the
> content was how you put it, I don't plan on doing it anytime soon.  :)

Please.  Why would you think that one post could typify a decade-old
newsgroup?  As will all public discussions on the net, there're good and
bad threads.  If you're an experienced net reader, you ignore the bad
ones with ease.

>      However, the term "open-mined" can be very much misunderstood.

The discussion of the term "open-minded" is slightly ironic when deciding
not to investigate things for yourself.

vince



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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: lots of zorn-list people
Date: 09 Sep 1997 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT)


Howdy,

I just did a subscription check for the zorn-list and digest.
There are now 518 subscribers! That's our first time cresting
the 500 mark, pretty amazing how many of y'all are out there.

cheers,
mike rizzi
zorn-list-statistician

--
[e-mail] -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com
                   "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
-------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 -------



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From: slawlor <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn questions
Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there.  I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht,
(sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis.  I have both of these
disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings.
It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn.  Is this
available by itself on cd?  and, I'm still not sure what the point of
locus solis is?  I like the experimentalism of it.  Can anyone recommend
anything else by zorn in the same vain as ls? thanks for the information.





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From: slawlor <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn questions
Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there.  I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht,
(sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis.  I have both of these
disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings.
It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn.  Is this
available by itself on cd?  and, I'm still not sure what the point of
locus solis is?  I like the experimentalism of it.  Can anyone recommend
anything else by zorn in the same vain as ls? thanks for the information.





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From: Dwight Haden <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Masada 8
Date: 10 Sep 1997 02:35:29 +0000

>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:10:46 +0100
>From: "kevin cornish" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: masada 8
>
>can anyone tell me where to get masada 8 on DIW lable
>on the internet
>
>cd now only sell on EVA lable
>
Yes, what's up with that?  I noticed last week that CDNow had
Masada's 1 thru 7 in stock with EVA product numbers.  Are these
still DIW discs, or have the Masada's been released on an
alternate label?  Anybody know?

The only place I know of to get Masada 8 at present is the Downtown Music
Gallery in NYC.  They don't have a web site / secure order function
but you can order by plain email (feeling lucky?)  And yes, they have the
DIW discs, not EVA.

The email addr is [e-mail]

Here's a reply I got from them last week:
>We have all of the Masadas (incl. 8) in stock and they're all $16 except for
>Masada 4-$15. S&H is $3 for a single disc and $1 for each add'l disc. To
>order just Call, Fax or Email your order and include your Name, Ph. #,
>Address and CC info. Be advised that
>Email is not the safest way to do CC transactions, so if you go that way
>it's at your own risk.
>
>Downtown Music Gallery
>211 E. 5th St.
>New York, N.Y.
>10003
>
>[phone]
>[phone] Fax
>
>Store Hours:
>Sun-Wed 12-9
>Thu 12-10
>Fri/Sat 12-11

  Dwight Haden === [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (James T Graves)
Subject: New Guy
Date: 09 Sep 1997 22:35:00 EDT

Hey, I just signed up for the Zorn list, and am very interested in
talking about his music. So, here's a little bit about me. I'm a high
school senior who got into jazz about two years ago, then started moving
towards the more "free" stuff. This has ultimately led me to a lot of
avant-garde in general, regardless of jazz roots. A couple friends
introduced me to the whole Knitting Factory/downtown scene a few months
ago, and I've been gobbling up stuff ever since. I must admit, I know
very little about Zorn. I own a Naked City and a Masada cd, have read a
few internet interviews with Zorn, and have heard a couple things from
some friends, but that's about it. So, I guess my first question is,
where do I go from here? Everything I've heard I like, but what should I
start looking at now? Filmworks? His earlier stuff? Maybe some
collaboration he's done with somebody? Any suggestions appreciated.

Jamie



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lots of zorn-list people
Date: 09 Sep 1997 23:00:20 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, m. rizzi wrote:

> There are now 518 subscribers! That's our first time cresting
> the 500 mark, pretty amazing how many of y'all are out there.

It's time to seize power!  We have the numbers!

Chris Hamilton





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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn questions
Date: 09 Sep 1997 22:56:55 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, slawlor wrote:

> Hi there.  I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht,
> (sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis.  I have both of these
> disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings.
> It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn.

I think you're looking at a list of other recordings available from
Tzadik in the Archival series.

> and, I'm still not sure what the point of
> locus solis is?

The impression I get from Zorn's liner notes to the Eva CD (are these
reprinted on the Tzadik CD? if not, i could post them) is that Locus Solus
was an attempt to do free improvised punk rock.  I think I've read
somewhere that DNA was the specific model.  That sounds plausible to me,
and of course Arto Lindsay and Ikue Mori both play on the record.  This is
probably my favorite Zorn record, although I wouldn't say it's his best
work.

Chris Hamilton





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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117
Date: 09 Sep 1997 23:11:19 -0400 (EDT)



On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Andr Godin wrote:

> I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader
> Henry Threadgill a few years back.  I read that they use to tune their
> drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly.  Anyways, anyone
> known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd?  And if so, who
> distributes it?

There have definitely been CD reissues on RCA, Nessa, and
Black Saint.  The August _Cadence_ lists the excellent Nessa _Air Time_ as
in stock.  The RCA _Air Lore_ with Threadgill's arrangements of classic
tunes by Scott Joplin and Jelly Roll Morton is probably theideal starting
point, but I think it's out of print.

Chris Hamilton





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Still Melvins
Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:04:35 UT

Sorry I'm late on this.
1) Bassists: Matt Lukin of Mudhoney was the Melvins first bassist and I think he
did the Deep Six stuff and the 10 Songs LP on C/Z.  Then came Lorax, or Laurie
Black, herion-soaked daughter of Shirley Temple Black (yes).  She started with
Gluey Porch Treatments and Ozma (which were produced by current bassist Mark
Deutrom) Then Joe Preston, who CAME from the band Earth, who I believe continued
on without him which is why Earth 3 sounds so wimpy.  (Earth 1 has Kurt Kobain
on it, for those who care.)  Then Mark, who joined for Stoner Witch, because
Lorax's heroin problem got to much of a pain to deal with.  Lots of times they
toured without her because she couldn't handle the road with her addiction.
2) Best albums: Everyone's overlooking Bullhead which is I believe the seminal
Melvin's album, along with maybe EggNog and Ozma.  However, if you are looking
for the most Zorn-esque stuff, Ozma is probably the best bet.  The stop-start
choppy prog of this album is the closest match to Naked City of them all,
probably.  In fact, I think I'll listen to it right now.
3) New stuff: I think experimentation is fine and they are doing it, but I wish
they'd produce better experiments.  I'm a longtime Melvin's fan and I think that
they have done some great different experimental stuff (Charmicarmicat, Lysol,
Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle, most of the middle 'ambientish' songs on Stag)
but Honky blows and Prick is pretty much insufferable.  A lot of good ideas and
great sounds, but just poor execution.  They could have shaped the songs much
better I think.  Put out an 'album' rather than a collection of four-track
doodlings.

My two cents on the Melvins issue.



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From: "k.   drudge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn questions
Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:04:01 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> The impression I get from Zorn's liner notes to the Eva CD (are these
> reprinted on the Tzadik CD? if not, i could post them) is that Locus Solus
> was an attempt to do free improvised punk rock.  I think I've read
> somewhere that DNA was the specific model.  That sounds plausible to me,

(the tzadik release does indeed have (presumably the same) liner notes.)
This seems to suggest that DNA would be worth checking out, at least
for fans of locus solus.  Does anyone have anything to say about this
band?
Keldon




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From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: DNA
Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, k. drudge wrote:

> This seems to suggest that DNA would be worth checking out, at least
> for fans of locus solus.  Does anyone have anything to say about this
> band?

The only DNA (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) record
in print right now is the "Live at CBGB's" CD on Avant.  This is very
late in DNA's career and the sound isn't stellar, but you can definitely
hear where Zorn got his inspiration for projects like Locus Solus.
DNA took rock out just about as far as possible while still rocking.

DNA (along with Mars, The Contortions and Teenage Jesus & the Jerks[?])
were also included on the Brian Eno-produced "No New York" compilation
album.  In recent yrs this document has taken on collector status and the
last time I saw a copy, the owner wanted $60.  You'd be better off spending
$18 on the Avant CD and then buying the Mars compilation on Atavistic if yr
still interested in the No Wave scene.

b



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From: Olivier NGUYEN VAN TAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: No Idea, Misha Mengelberg
Date: 10 Sep 1997 09:18:11 +0200

Hi,

I 've just bought the new Misha Mengelberg CD : No Idea with Baron and =
Cohen. The music is very cool : a kind of Herbie Nichols jazz with great =
moments from Joey Baron and Greg Cohen.

Very quite but with some lyrical moments full of grace !

Track Listing :
No idea : Misha Mengelberg
Begin the beguine : Cole Porter
You don't know what love is : Don Raye_Gene Depaul
House party starting : Herbie Nichols
I 'm getting sentimental over you : Ned Washignton
The mooche : Duke Ellington
September song : Maxwell Anderson - Kurt Weill
Someone to watch over me : Georges Gershin




Olivier




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From: Anish Kejariwal <[e-mail]>
Subject: opinions on Shea's new CD?
Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:46:51 -0700

Does anyone have an opinion on the newest David Shea CD, Satyricon?  I'm
trying to decide whether I should buy it or save money (I'm strapped for
cash right now).  Thanks.

Anish





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: opinions on Shea's new CD?
Date: 10 Sep 1997 16:08:32 -0700

>Does anyone have an opinion on the newest David Shea CD, Satyricon?  I'm
>trying to decide whether I should buy it or save money (I'm strapped for
>cash right now).  Thanks.

well, the fact that i've only played it once since getting it two months
ago might imply that i wasn't as excited about this one as with the
previous several albums.  my recollection is that this one had less
jazz/exotica flavorings and more string based soundscapes.

on the other hand, mike at dropbeat (where i think you can get it for
$14.98 or $13.98) tells me that it's his favorite and that he was blown
away to not hear samplers and turntables for a change.  i imagine that if
you head into dropbeat he'll let you listen to it so you can decide.

alexander





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From: Brian Carlson <[e-mail]>
Subject: back to bacharach
Date: 10 Sep 1997 18:26:49 -0600

For those of you who don't get the Knitting Factory Knotes, this was
advertised there this month.


Radical Jewish Culture

Do you know the way to San Jose?  John Zorn & friends point the way & honor
the great Jewish-American composer Burt Bacharach.

back to bacharach

Sunday, Sept 14th at 4pm and 8pm

John Zorn, curator

4pm-Program A: with Erik Friedlander, Chris Speed, Andrew D'Angelo, Drew
Gress, Dave DOuglas, Myra Melford, Badal Roy, Guy Klucevsek, Marie
McAuliffe, others

8pm-Program B: with Anthony Coleman, Joey Baron, Ellery Eskelln, Josh
Roseman, Marc Ribot, Medeski Martin & Wood, others

Tickets:
2 concert combo: $25; single tickets $17.50

Box Office  212-501-3330

Merkin Concert Hall
Abraham Goodman House  129 W. 67th St.




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DNA
Date: 10 Sep 1997 23:07:55 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote:

> (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass)

An afterthought.  The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from
Pere Ubu.  That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any
others on this list.

Chris Hamilton




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DNA
Date: 10 Sep 1997 23:05:20 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote:

> DNA (along with Mars, The Contortions and Teenage Jesus & the Jerks[?])
> were also included on the Brian Eno-produced "No New York" compilation
> album.  In recent yrs this document has taken on collector status and the
> last time I saw a copy, the owner wanted $60.

Keep an eye out for bargains, though.  A friend of mine got this in a
dollar bin two years ago.  Also unavailable from DNA: _A Taste of DNA_,
the one record (I think) they put out while they were in existence.  If
you find either of these, you should send them to me :^).  One track from
the latter is included on a 2-CD American Clave sampler, which is mostly
Kip Hanrahan tracks.  It's a good buy if you're sure you'll like Kip
Hanrahan, but aren't already a fan.  (If you are a fan, you'll already own
all the Hanrahan tracks, which are readily available.)  There are also
some unusually abstract and unrocklike DNA tracks on a 2LP set called _the
fruit of the original sin_.  To my knowledge, this has never been reissued
on CD, but it's apparently less sought after by collectors than the above
items, as I got it pretty cheaply.  So far as I know, that's it for DNA on
record.  A sadly underrecorded band.

Chris Hamilton





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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pere Ubu
Date: 10 Sep 1997 20:47:34 -0700



Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote:
>
> > (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass)
>
> An afterthought.  The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from
> Pere Ubu.  That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any
> others on this list.
>
> Chris Hamilton

Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
Two Pale boys...wearing a fedora and a big red butcher's apron...playing a
bandoneon taped together with duct tape...swilling liquor from a matal
flask to medicate a very bad cold which only served to stoke his attitude
and his wheezing vocals...telling dadaist stories between songs from the
brilliant EREWHON as well as a brian wilson cover & Tammy Wynette's 'Stand
By Your Man'...brilliant accompaniment by the Pale ones...sounded almost
as good as DUB HOUSING era ubu at the Whiskey a million years ago...he was
playing Luna Park, a trendy Hollywood club..."opening" for a funk-dance
band...when he did not leave the stage "on time" they turned off the stage
lights on him, resulting in a  more than justified Pere Tantrum...I'll
never patronize that establishment again, but I hope the good Mr. Thomas
graces the ungracious SoCalifornia with his wiles again soon...

Sz




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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Art of Remembrance (fwd)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 01:12:21 -0400 (EDT)

forwarded (Bar Kokhba - soundtrack) fyi: Port Washington is 30 minutes
from Manhattan on LIRR...

Our film on Simon Wiesenthal: The Art Of Remembrance will be shown on
September 19, at 12:10 p.m. at the PORT WASHINGTON LIBRARY in Port
Washington, NY 11050. [phone].
Johanna and myself will be there for A&Q after the screening.
Best regards,
Johanna Heer & Werner Schmiedel





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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: advertisement
Date: 11 Sep 1997 01:20:11 -0400 (EDT)


*Back To Bacharach*

John Zorn/Tzadik Records celebration of great Jewish composer Burt
Bacharach -- 2 concerts at the Radical Jewish Culture festival at Merkin
Hall.

Sunday, Sept. 14 at 4 & 8pm
4pm - with Erik Friedlander, Chris Speed, Andrew D'Angelo, Drew Gress,
Dave Douglas, Myra Melford, Badal Roy, Guy Klucevsek, Maria McAuliffe

8pm - with Anthony Coleman, Joey Baron, Ellery Eskelin, Josh Roseman, Marc
Ribot, Medeski Martin & Wood

tickets
2 concert combo: $25, single tickets: $17.50

Merkin Concert Hall
129 W. 67th St. between Broadway & Amsterdam
212-501-3330







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From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp
Date: 11 Sep 1997 06:26:32 -0800

>That is a Duchamp`s last work.
>

Actually, it's only part of the work.  The tableau with the new and gas
lamp is visible only through a hole in a large wooden door selected by
Duchamp & the installation is in an easily overlooked small room adjacent
to the rest of the Philadelphia Museum's Duchamp collection (the largest
single collection anywhere).  The whole thing (tableau, door, & placement)
is Duchamp's last work, which he created in secret after announcing his
retirement from making art 20-30 years earlier.

>
>See http://www.val.net/~tim/duchamp-aug96.html

Thanks for the URL, there's some good things there.

>But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ?
>

My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation
in English.  (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given"
which is certainly more idiomatically elegant)

Oh, yeah, & the site above has a link to a site that has an animation of
the door & the tableau that's kind of cute:

<http://www.jedsp.com/duchamp/>


Herb Levy
[e-mail]





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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Etant donnes (Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 12:06:35 +0200

Herb Levy <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ?

>My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation
>in English.  (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given"
>which is certainly more idiomatically elegant)

"Etant donne" (with an aigu, no final s) does mean "being given",
or "considering", what puzzles me is the final S :-=A6
since "etant donnes" itself doesn't mean much to my knowledge.

Maybe some kind of clever artistry?

Stephane




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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: DNA
Date: 11 Sep 1997 09:19:47 -0400

It's great to see that people remember and appreciate DNA.  They were an
amazing band and I'm really sorry I never got to see them live.  A TASTE
OF DNA is an amazing EP- never heard anything quite like it.  It's such
a shame that this (and the live CD) is the only record that they put
out.  Let's hope this gets reissued (with bonus tracks!)

Before Tim Wright (Ubu), I think Robin Crutchfield (keyboards) was with
them (heard on NO NEW YORK), who later did.... Dark Day(?)

Jason
--
Perfect Sound Forever
Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music
[e-mail]
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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: DNA
Date: 11 Sep 1997 07:28:47 -0600

I have the No New York record, which I think is fantastic. (As an aside,
especially in light of its "collector's status", I had it when it came out,
sold it some time later and picked it up again a few years ago, cause I had
missed it.) I myself am going to have to give Locus Solus another listen,
cause I previously haven't caught the connection between that and DNA. In
addition, I think that most Zorn folks if they already don't listen to James
Chance (aka James Black, aka James White) and Contortions need to check them
out- they would like this band. Just for the "proto-noise" value alone, I
think that all should pick up No New York, assuming you can find it at a
reasonable price. I would suspect that in less hip locals like Detroit,
where I'm at, it would be easy to find. If anyone wants me to tape it, email
me and we'll work something out.
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****




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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: David Thomas
Date: 11 Sep 1997 07:43:24 -0600

>Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
>Two Pale boys...

>Sz

Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably
the  first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight,
they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio
State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would
frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of
the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in
your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere
Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream
success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music.
And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my
opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas'
band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good
wild jazzy stuff that  The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else
entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they
also have a disk out, has anybody heard it?

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #119
Date: 11 Sep 1997 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 9/10/97 11:13:37 PM, you wrote:

<<The only DNA (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) record
in print right now is the "Live at CBGB's" CD on Avant. >>

DNA bassist was Tim Wright...a phenomenal player. It's never made any sense
to me why the long out-of-print DNA record has never been re-issued by
anyone??? Atavistic...if you are out there listening, this is one you should
consider!!!
Yes, the Avant release is cool, but as mentioned, the sound quality isn't so
stellar.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: DNA
Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:27:05 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> An afterthought.  The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from
> Pere Ubu.  That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any
> others on this list.

me too... i've liked pere ubu now and then after discovering a 'modern
dance' cassette on my friendly local library... (!)

'life stinks and i need a drink' or how did that song go... :)

 teemu

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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: David Thomas / 2 pale boys
Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:23:50 +0200

Two Pale boys have one studio CD out I think (Erewhon),
with perhaps more edge than much of the Pedestrians stuff, and
David often on accordion. There is some Midi-trumpet by Andy Diagram, who is
also part of the Spaceheads, a great noise-ambient-technopunk dance
band (2 CDs out I think). Some of the stuff on the TPB CD goes in that
direction. I'm so tired with people doing always the
same thing, that CD was really a *good* surprise. perhaps the best
example of this new dance/mutant_trumpet/david whisper approach
is called something like Highway 69 revisited so don't be put off!
there's also a Live CD of a TPB 1996 concert on the 5 CD Pedestrians
reissue Monster, which is a bit like the Pere Ubu Live album (forgot what the
name was) but played in today's dance context maybe, with lots of great
David vocals. Appropriately enough, it was recorded in a hall called Ubu
something, in Reims, France.

At 07:43 11.09.97 -0600, Dennis Summers wrote:
>>Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
>>Two Pale boys...
>
>>Sz
>
>Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably
>the  first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight,
>they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio
>State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would
>frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of
>the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in
>your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere
>Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream
>success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music.
>And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my
>opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas'
>band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good
>wild jazzy stuff that  The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else
>entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they
>also have a disk out, has anybody heard it?
>
>yours in zornocity --ds
>***Quantum Dance Works***
>****http://ic.net/~denniss****
>
>
>
>



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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: To All Old Wheezers Everywhere
Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0700

somewhere near...somewhere far...
somewhere down the street, past the local bar...
is a [indecipherable] kinda homey place..
and I go inside and show my face
it's someone i barely know...
there's a poet
there's a heart of gold
& they're both lookin' at a glass of foam
I'm not a poet
& you KNOW that I'm not a glass of foam
I've got a heart of gold
I've Heart of gold
I've got a heart of gold...[repeat ad infinitum with increased garbled wheezing
and hoarse whispering over a simple repetitive bass line]
---from 'Kathleen' off the EREWHON CD

dennis summers wrote:

> >Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
> >Two Pale boys...
>
>  I had read an interview with the Pere Ubu guys several years ago that they
> were trying to go for mainstream success; that they were older and wanted to
> make a living from their music. And unfortunately their last several disks
> showed this attitude, and in my
> opinion sucked in a major way.

I was deeply saddened by PU's attempt at mainstream success, although I saw them
last year on tour with Horvitz's PigPen and they were great live.

Is the TPB Thomas' band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to
make?

Not really, although it gets noisy at times.

or his good wild jazzy stuff that  The Pedestrian's used to do?

maybe it could be called Pedestrians for the electronica era...lots of effects
and loops and such...but rather tongue in cheek in Thomas' hands...the Cd
reveals many subtle studio delights on careful listening...

or something else entirely?

almost could say yes, something else entirely...

Could you describe the actual music for me, please?

Thomas plays a melodeon...an old beat up hand held reed organ...it clicks and
clatters and wheezes...sometimes he accompanies himself by just clicking the
keys loudly while singing the best Thomas vocals I have ever heard...very
carefully crafted yet wheeze is the operative word both for the vocals and the
melodeon...my favorite tunes have him in the forefront with the Pale ones adding
atmospherics in the background...then there are some tunes that make more use of
the midi-trumpet and guitars with loops and sampling...labeling this music with
current parlance will suggest [to the suggestible listener]*  something other
than what happens when Thomas uses these DEVICES**...I haven't heard the live
disc on MONSTER yet, but seeing them live was even better than the studio disc,
because they improvise liberally in performance...Andy Diagram was stunning,
using elctronic effects with his trumpet in a way that IMHO puts Toshinori Kondo
to shame...[although THE MARZ COMBO and DIE LIKE A DOG are two of my all time
favorite recordings]...

Sz


* name that tune
**from the same tune








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From: mike burma <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:36:17 -0700


    This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release
    Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight
    at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders
    (a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser
    will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch
    more whose names I forget.

    Mike Burma




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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
Date: 11 Sep 1997 12:28:04 -0700

mike burma wrote:
>
>         This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release
>         Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight
>         at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders
>         (a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser
>         will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch
>         more whose names I forget.

this disc is fantastic. mr. slusser has been doing sound design for films
(david lynch, francis coppola etc) for years, and the scope of this project
reflects that work, as well as his predilection for bizarre electronics, his
abilities as a saxophonist and most of all his imaginative way of organizing
the most disparate of elements into a cohesive suite of music. well worth
checking out!

--



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba



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From: Mike King <[e-mail]>
Subject: David Shea albums and style
Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:00:03 +1200

Can anyone tell me a bit about David Shea, like what his albumns are like
(content and opinions), and what albumns are out there? I've only heard him
on Mr Bungle selftitled and on Elegy I think.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nicky Skopelitis
Date: 11 Sep 1997 14:34:22 PDT

WMI has a self titled CD by Nicky Skopelitis listed, and I was
wondereing if anyone had any information on this. Thanks

Dave Brunelle
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: JZ @ Downtown Music Gallery Celebration
Date: 12 Sep 1997 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)

Just wanted to let everyone know that at last night's DMG Anniversary
Celebration at the Knit, Zorn made an unnannounced appearance during the
Elliott Sharp/Bobby Previte set.  I've seen a lot of the improv sets over the
last year and a half or so, and I've got to say that this set was among the
finest I've witnessed!

take care y'all.  If anyone would care to dialogue with me on this, be sure
to copy me on any follow-up posts, since I only get the digest.

PWKing



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Birdhouse: microtonal ji music at CB's 313 Gallery
Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT)

microtonal just intonation music

Birdhouse
at CB's 313 Gallery
313 Bowery (at Bleecker St.)
NYC, NY

September 19, 1997
9pm

$6 at the door

featuring:

Meredith Borden - soprano

Jon Catler - just intonation guitar (the Catler Bros.,
La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band)

Brad Catler - percussion (the Catler Bros.,
La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band)

Andrew Bolotowsky - flutes (from the American Fetival of Microtonal Music)

"Mr. Catler's Nightbird, with it's exotic harmonies,
sounded like some strange flamenco dance...
Ms. Borden's microtonally tinged singing was
confident and convincing." NY Times, 5/97.

check out the Freenote website at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~freenote/

info: [phone]



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From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins backwards record
Date: 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400

I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention
of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
hallucination or was it some other band?
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm



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From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:25:30 -0500

That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and collect
their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.

At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
>I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention
>of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
>hallucination or was it some other band?
>Lang Thompson
>http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
>
>




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From: "pjm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
Date: 14 Sep 1997 21:17:23 -0700

To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with
the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :}

----------
> From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM
>
> That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and
collect
> their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
> hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
> Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
> backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.
>
> At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
> >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
> >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
mention
> >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
> >hallucination or was it some other band?
> >Lang Thompson
> >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
> >
> >
>



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From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:25:53 -0500

ahhhh, yes...forgot about that one...i'm sure that's what he's thinking of.

clockwise



At 09:17 PM 9/14/97 -0700, pjm wrote:
>To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with
>the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :}
>
>----------
>> From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
>> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM
>>
>> That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and
>collect
>> their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
>> hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
>> Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
>> backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.
>>
>> At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
>> >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>> >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
>mention
>> >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
>> >hallucination or was it some other band?
>> >Lang Thompson
>> >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach
Date: 15 Sep 1997 01:38:09 -0400 (EDT)

Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to
Bacharach" gig.

I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest.

The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc
Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and
Roberto Rodriguez on drums.

Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC?  Awfully quiet if
so!

PWK



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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gino Robair in Europe
Date: 15 Sep 1997 13:12:12 +0200 (MESZ)

just would like to announce the following tourdates of gino robair in
europe......they can also be found on the rastascan homepage........

oct. 2 Amsterdam   , Gran Silo
oct. 5 Muenster, germany     , Cuba
oct. 7 Zurich, switzerland     , WIM
oct. 8 Tuebingen, Germany , Club Voltaire

the club voltaire gig in tuebingen is with Forbidden Planet...
i just mention that because i am part of this project :).......

so if anyone is near any of these places in early october....its worth
seeing

BJOERN



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From: "Joseph Buck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: melvins
Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:03:47 PDT

i had asked my co-worker and melvins maven if he knew of this and he
said he had never heard of any.....
he also added this about the bass players-
"I hate to nit-pick (not true! I love it...) but Lori Black first
appeared on Ozma. Matt Lukin was still in the band for Gluey Porch."

salam,

buck

>
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400
>From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Melvins backwards record
>
>I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
mention
>of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
>hallucination or was it some other band?
>Lang Thompson
>http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm


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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach
Date: 15 Sep 1997 18:05:02 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to
> Bacharach" gig.
>
> I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest.
>
> The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc
> Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and
> Roberto Rodriguez on drums.
>
> Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC?  Awfully quiet if
> so!
>
> PWK

Yep, I was there, and I'll even give a brief review (this is my first
post to this group--hello all)

Briefly, I though the concert was excellent, with some incredible
performances. Highlights, for me were:

1) Chimera--Much inspired playing from all involved. I especially
enjoyed the arrangement of 'The Look of Love' with D'Angelo's gulping
melodic line on bass clarinet.

2) The Douglas/Melford (on harmonium)/Badal Roy Trio. My first
impression was of an updated version of the wonderful Desert Band from
Escalator. Later, it seemed to me that Douglas was structuring the
pieces very much like a traditional Indian ensemble, with Melford in the
tamboura role and himself as sitarist. A lot of his lines struck me as
raga-influenced, which made the occasional emergence of bits of
Bacharach all the more delightful. A great little band.

3) Klucevsek--I can't say enough about him (I think he's one of the
finest musicians on the planet), but the final number, a medley of 'One
Less Bell to Answer' (played way up high, in the manner of his 'Skating
on Thin Air') and 'Wives and Lovers' (if he interpolated 'Raindrops'
here, as the program stated, I couldn't hear it) was one of the single
most beautiful performances I've heard in years.

4) Joey Baron--Anyone who scoffs at the notion of serious jazz
extensions of BB's tunes, should've heard them. Just incredible,
penetrating into Coltrane/Ali territory. The best I've ever heard Ellery
Eskelin play.

Other things were more or less successful; I though McAuliffe's band was
a bit blah (and found singer Kitty Brazilton very aggravating). Ribot's
band, admittedly doing some pretty banal songs, sounded kinda ragged,
with the exception of MR's wonderful playing. Anthony Coleman was fun
(gotta love a barroom blues version of 'Casino Royale'!) as were
Medeski, Martin and Wood.

Hopefully, this was recorded; there was a lot more music packed in there
than appeared on the original disc, and no klunkers (like, imho, the
Lennon/Honda and Kang pieces).

Great show; thank you Mr. Zorn.

PS. Picked up the Gainsbourg CD; sounds nice and varied on first listen.

Brian O.



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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jon Rose
Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:12:19 -0400

How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

            -Tom Pratt



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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:27:28 -0400

Tom Pratt wrote:

> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
>
> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

"Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit.  I'm
always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a
droll English delivery he's got.  Rose ain't too shabby either.  A great
disc IMHO.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


>
>
>                         -Tom Pratt






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From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins backwards solved
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:48:43 -0400

As one recipient (whose name i unfortunately don't remember) reminded me,
the album Prick is actually credited to Snivlem, apparently for contractual
reasons.  None of the music is backwards but this is what i half-remembered.
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm



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From: Michael Howes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose
Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:16:31 -0700

>> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
>> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
>>
>> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
>> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???
>
>"Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit.  I'm
>always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a
>droll English delivery he's got.  Rose ain't too shabby either.  A great
>disc IMHO.
>

 I'll second this!
I am also enjoying one of Rose's new albums a LOT, "://Shopping Live@Victo"
. It is also a "concept" record and is often just out-and-out hilarious.
I'm not familiar with Lauren Newton or Joelle Leandre who are mostly just
voices but Yoshihide, Cutler, and Lee Pui Ming are in top form on this
record. All of it is about shopping and/or department stores and often
includes noises to go along with what is possible to purchase on each floor.
 mike
[e-mail]




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From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose
Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT)

> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been
released on Tzadik, perchance?

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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: KF Live
Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:22:02 -0700

Is the Knitting Factory's nightly cybercast still down, or do I need to
reconfigure my Streamworks?

Sz




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tim Berne/Screwgun Mailing List
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:44:50 -0400

I'm starting a mailing list for Tim Berne and Screwgun -- e-mail and
snail mail.  That's where we'll send out information about gigs, tours,
new releases and whatnot.  If you're interested, please send me your
addresses and I'll get you set up.  If you've ever ordered anything from
Screwgun you're most likely already on the list, but send your
information anyway just to be certain.  We're about to do our first
mailing regarding the three new Screwgun releases for October, as well
as a mini-tour of the Southwest by Berne and Formanek in early October.
Get on board!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]










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From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose
Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:23:02 -0500 (CDT)

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:

> > How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> > mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
> > insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> > understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???
>
> Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been
> released on Tzadik, perchance?

Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related
musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only.  Although depending on how far removed
we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever.
:-)

cya
brian




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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose
Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:22:21 -0700



Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

> Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related
> musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only.  Although depending on how far removed
> we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever.

Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?"

Me either.

Schwitterz

> :-)
>
> cya
> brian






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From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute Years
Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:18:28 -0500

I am a buyer for a pretty small cd store, and I saw in an update from our
supplier that there is a 7-disc box set coming from Mr. Zorn, on Tzadik,
entitled 'The Parachute Years'. I have quite a bit of his stuff already,
and for the money I'll be spending, I really don't want to find out I've
just duplicated part of my collection. Since the idiots at the warehouse
obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here
could shed some light on it's contents.

clockwise




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Parachute Years
Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:16:12 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, clockwise wrote:

> Since the idiots at the warehouse
> obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here
> could shed some light on it's contents.

It contains the complete contents of _Pool_ and _Archery_ plus the
Zorn-composed half of the Chadbourne/Zorn _School_ plus alternate versions
of the four compositions from the above.

Chris Hamilton





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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: offtopic
Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:21:32 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Schwitterz wrote:

> Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?"

Fortunately, it's not his list, because I really don't want to read about
Pearl Jam here.  (I'd think Jon Rose is at least as on-topic as the
Melvins, who, to my mind, are probably the limit of on-topicness for this
list.  Not that it's up to me.)

Chris Hamilton





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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Leng Tche
Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:48:18 +1000

Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Masada break-up?
Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:13:37 -0500 (CDT)

Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true?  I heard the group will
make 10 records and break up.




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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Date: 17 Sep 1997 13:21:33 -0500 (EST)

Hi all,

For anybody in the Chicago area, there is some exciting music happening in
the next month or two. The wonderful Unity Temple series in Oak Park has
its preliminary listings up for the fall, and it sounds great. The reason
I'm posting on this list is because Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio is
playing on November 7 (I believe this is the date). But there's lots more.
Mats Gustafsson/Peter Brotzmann tomorrow night; Sam Rivers on 10/3; Steve
Lacy solo on 11/5; ROVA on 11/6; and Joe Morris on 11/13.
Address and related links can be accessed through the "local programming"
page on WNUR's jazz web. Can't wait for these great shows!

Jason Bivins




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada break-up?
Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:03:10 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:

> Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true?  I heard the group
> will
> make 10 records and break up.

I can't answer this directly but did hear a rumor last night at the Knit
that supposedly the three nights Masada is playing there at the end of
September are the final live gigs for the band...  Not substantiated,
just idle chat from the girl who works the boxoffice.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail] (David Polak)
Subject: Re: Leng Tche
Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:34:43 -0400 (EDT)

Reply to message from [e-mail] of Wed, 17 Sep
>
>Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...?
>
>
>
100 pieces. It was a torture method.

--
"Reality is too harsh.  Imagination makes everything nice.  Use your
 imagination to get out of the most drab places by simply holding on
 to the imagination and making it real." - Sun Ra



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: New Avant and Tzadik releases
Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:43:32 -0700

The new Koch book came out today:  I don't have time to give the details
on everything, but just to wet your whistle: All to be out in October
for the most part.
PACHORA - Pachora, Knitting Factory Works 207:
Chris Speed, Brad Shepik (sazplayer?), Skulli Sverrisoon (bass) and  Jim
Black (percussion).   "Radical Jewish music" is increasing in
popularity, old and new, chaos and order...

FERTILE CRESCENT - Fertile Crescent, Knitting Factory Works 118
Erik Sanko -  the teenage biassist (sic?) in John Lurie's Lounge Lizards
went on to this looser musical endavor (sic!).  Preccursor to Skeleton
Key, his cuurrent band.
From 1992.
hmm. KFW or Koch needs a spellchecker.

BOREDOMS - Wow 2 - Avant 026
Recorded in 1992 at martin Bisi's Brooklyn studio right before the
Boredoms went on Lollapalooza.  Of all their recordings, this is the one
that best represents the live shows...blah blah..John Zorn, Sonic
Youth...

DEREK BAILEY/JOHN ZORN/QILLIAM PARKER - Harras - Avant 056
Music to make your hair stand on end. The 3 met one night in 1993 and
fortunately a digital tape player was present.  A text book of
improvisational interaction or a no-holes- (sic)- barred assault - you
decide.  An essential document of free improvisation at its best.

LEE HYLA - In Double Light - Avant 015
Lee Hyla is is becoming known as one of the premier composers of his
generation, having written music for many of the world's greatest
orchestras and ensambles.  Recorded between 1986 and 1992, this is a
collection os works for small chamber ensambles.  Masterful bass
clarinet work from Tim Smith.
Note: The artwork shown for this piece is  that of  the Tzadik composer
series.

PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE - The Unknown - Avant 037
Many musicians lately have written music  for  silent  films, but few
have done it as well as  Johnston's score for Tod Browning's
masterpiece, The Unknown. Also known for his little big band , The
Microscopic Septet, Phillip has recently been composing music for films
by Paul Schrader and Philip Haas (Music of Chance).  Modern harmonies,
nostalgic old-time feel, and a side-show carnival atmosphere make this
original and distinctive.

VIRGIL MOOREFIELD - The Temperature of Hell Is Over Three Thousand
Degrees - Tzadik 7026 Composer  Series.  With Tom Chiu, David Eggar,
V.M., Tim Otto and Woody Park.
 Moorefield was born in Chapel Hill, grew up in Europe and has recorded
with the Swans, Glenn Branca, Bill Laswell, Elliott Sharp and Damage.
This disc reflects his interest in microtonality minimalism and
improvisation to create a world a world of precision, movement and
surprise.

RONNY SOMECK & ELLIOTT SHARP  - Revenge of the Stuttering Child - Tzadik
7117 Radical Jewish Culture
A meeting of two eclectic Jewish masyers. Someck - a poet born in Iraq
and Sharp create sounds as words and sounds as music; a tangled-up
feedback loop that builds and mutates.  Much more than mere poetry set
to music.  Augmented by pianist Anthony Coleman, the cello and accordian
of the Parkins sisters and percussionist Salifoski.

SERGE GAINSBOURG - Great Jewish Music - Tzadik 7116 - Radical Jewish
Culture
Second installment of the series focuses on the man from France.  Famous
since the 1950's - except in America; or infamous here...  One disc this
time, but 21 artists and 74 minutes long.  Zorn, Mike Patton, Elysian
Fields (?!), Kramer, Ikue, Mori, Ruins, Anthony Coleman, David Shea,
Blond Redhead, Cibo Matto, MM&W, Mark Ribot and others.
note: Not familiar with this guy?  There's re-issues of his stuff now,
but Mick Harvey from the Bad Seeds, and Crime has a collection of his
songs translated very well into English called The Intoxicated Man.
Another volume by Harvey is due out in a month or so.   He was a funny
guy, old Serge.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Parachute Years Box
Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:44:15 -0700

A while back I offered to get some of these for people on the Zorn-list
because I work at a record distributor.  Several people were
interested.   Well, I got them in, we have about 10 left at work, and if
anyone is still interested in buying one of these from me, I would still
be happy to send them out.

Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it  has a
list of $99.98.  Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that
takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt.   Postage is $3 (they ARE
heavy though), so the total is $84.

If your store didn't get it, or it costs too much there; drop me a line.

About the box:
-The packaging IS very nice;  lots of notes to read while listening.
One thing struck me as odd;  Zorn's picture on the front of the set.
Other than the Early Years; it seems rather out of character for him to
put himself on itso literally.  Not that he seems like a modest man
though...  Inside there ARE admittedly many photos of the players; but
this was  late 70s, and MOST people looked REALLY ugly then.  The
personal photos, all candid, contrast poorly with the gorgeous (game of)
pool pictures in the set, and the individual cover art, though it is a
bit small to see clearly.

The notes in Hockey are very short and simple.  In Archery, expanded to
3 CDs  (one of rehersals) the notes are very extensive;  both technical
and anecdotal.   I hate to spend so much time raving about the design of
the thing, but the music is going to take many weeks for me to digest
(and will have to compete with new Cornershop and Southern Culture on
the Skids).  And I've never seen a label care so much about design as
Tzadik.  So far, I must admit that I genuinely like what I've heard more
than I thought I would.
-Mark.



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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)
Date: 18 Sep 1997 12:17:22 -0400

Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty
bound to provide an update:

Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.

He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
lately as they're all so busy.  Regarding the Knit shows, he said it
would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price
they get there is not the price they envision for the future.  But yes,
the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably
mostly at festivals and so on.

And of course Tzadik has promised live material from Cafe Mogador (a
tiny Morrocan restaurant in the East Village where they workshopped the
material every Monday night for a few months at the very beginning, the
crowd spilling out onto the sidewalk and pressed up close to the band, a
very charged atmosphere) and Jerusalem, so the flow of Masada on disc is
in no danger of drying up soon.  And that's not to mention all the tapes
out there being traded...

Dave also mentioned he had just recorded with (if memory serves) Guy
Klucevsek, Mark Feldman and Erik Friedlander for Winter and Winter
(which he says is right on the verge of having an American distribution
deal) and with Chris Potter, James Genus and Ben Perowsky (his
straightahead jazz quartet) for Arabesque.  This in addition to the
recently released "Sanctuary" and the soon-to-be released Wayne Shorter
tribute with his sextet for Arabeque.  And in December he'll take that
latter sextet uptown for a week at the toney Iridium club in New York.
Busy as ever...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]






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From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
Date: 18 Sep 1997 12:38:54 -0400

> Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
> and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.
>
> He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
> the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
> play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
> collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
> lately as they're all so busy.

Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next
"major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down?



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?)
Date: 18 Sep 1997 09:43:11 -0700

So does anyone know if Painkiller will play again?  Bill's response on this
is that it is up to John Zorn.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html



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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: FUNNY GAMES OST
Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:18:43 +0200 (MESZ)

i was told that there are two songs of NAKED CITY in the movie FUNNY
GAMES which is in cinemas in europe at the moment.......
anyone know which songs they are??

BJOERN



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From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: knitting factory tonight
Date: 18 Sep 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT)


KISMET, a ragged group of improvisors from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is
performing tonight at the Alterknit Theater at the Knitting Factory (11pm;
$6).  Appearing with Kismet will be Michael Lytle (of Dr. Nerve) and Ed
Chang.  Kismet has a CD out on Daisy Lane Records; you can listen to it
with Realaudio at http://www.webslingerz.com/daisylane

Here's a review of the CD that will appear in issue # 30 of
IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION:

kismet:  CURIOUS YELLOW - Now, here's some refreshing improv! Yah, I know
FZ said jazz wasn't dead & that it "smelled funny"... well, this stuff
SOUNDS >funny...  movement in perpetua, no long segues or horrendous
stretches of >"nothingness" to bore ya' to tears.  Clearly improvised, but
it >sounds like something you'd expect to hear on yer' first voyage to
Jupiter.  >Real feel of "looseness" in th' playing that makes a surely
"sweet"  >impression on this reviewer's aural appendages.  If yer' lookin'
for >somethin' jazzy, new & (quite) hard to define - GET THIS!  >Dick
Metcalf, aka Rotcod Zzaj >Editor, IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION 'zine &
>Perpetrator, Zzaj Productions tapes >http://www.olywa.net/rotcod







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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Skate Key
Date: 18 Sep 1997 18:23:54 -0400

Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune...

            -Tom Pratt



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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Key
Date: 18 Sep 1997 17:59:32 -0700

Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune...
>
>                         -Tom Pratt
Sure, cut 17 on 'Radio'

Brian O.



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Parachute Years Box
Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it  has a
> list of $99.98.  Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that
> takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt.   Postage is $3 (they ARE
> heavy though), so the total is $84.

Hrmmm.  My retailer charged me $79 plus tax.  Does he just like me a lot
or what?  (Mind you, that still worked out to slightly more than the total
cost of Mark's offer.  Just curious, that's all.)

Chris Hamilton





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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
Date: 18 Sep 1997 22:57:16 -0400

I've been listening to plenty of Ives, Bartok and Penderecki as of late
and want to take it a step further. I want to hear the
always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some
STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have
heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by
each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite
albums by Partch and Reich??????

I haven't seen much talk on Duras:Duchamp which I find very excellent
and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's
name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that...

            -Tom Pratt



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From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
Date: 18 Sep 1997 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT)

> always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some
> STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have
> heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by
> each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite
> albums by Partch and Reich??????

Tom - one of my favorite Reich recordings is the work he did with the Kronos
quartet and Pat Metheney: two pieces on an Elektra/Nonesuch CD called
"Different Trains" and "Electric Counterpoint".

> and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's
> name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that...

Is John Medesky of Polish descent?

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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:35:37 -0700



Tom Pratt wrote:

>  Tell me: what are your favorite
> albums by Partch and Reich??????

Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the
version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC
FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM

Harry Partch:  My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the
recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place
to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his
own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow
and US Highball...

Tied with Sun Ra for my all time favorite live music experiences was seeing
Barstow and Delusion of the Fury performed by Partch's ensemble on his
instruments [how else?] in San Diego many years ago...seeing Reich perform
DRUMMING in its entirety at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion ranks up there as
well...

Schwitterz

>
>






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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
Date: 19 Sep 1997 00:52:06 -0700

Schwitterz wrote:
>
> Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> >  Tell me: what are your favorite
> > albums by Partch and Reich??????
>
> Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the
> version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC
> FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM
>

Agreed, as to 'Drumming' (on DG) being the essential one. I'd also
highly recommend 'Early Works', 'Sextet', and 'Octet/Violin Phase'.

> Harry Partch:  My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the
> recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place
> to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his
> own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow
> and US Highball...

Agreed once again, 'Delusion' easily makes my desert island list and is
most fondly awaited on disc. You might also try CRI's 'The Music of
Harry Partch' which contains several essential pieces including 'The
Letter' and 'On the Seventh Day Petals Fell on Petaluma'.

As to 'Duras:Duchamp', I think the former piece is possibly the best
work yet from JZ in his 'classical' mode, reminding me strongly of both
Messaien and Bryar's relatively unknown 'Hommages' (Disques du
Crepuscule). I enjoy the Duchamp thing also, though it did send both my
wife and dog fleeing from the room...

Brian O.



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From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: PARACHUTE YEARS
Date: 19 Sep 1997 08:24:10 +0200 (MESZ)

well i just have a simple question..please answer privatly......
i really love most of the stuff zorn has done but i am not too sure about
the parachute thing....i mean here in germany it costs more than 100 $
and i am not THAT rich.......
well i love Naked City and most of the Nonsuch stuff i also loved Cynical
Hysterie a lot and maybe stuff like Elegy.......
i am not too much into Masada and Painkiller......Locus Solus took me a
hell lot of time to get into and i still do not know if i like it or
not......
well any guesses if i should buy the Parachute thing (and dont tell me
about its great design and linernotes etc...i saw it in the store
yesterday and it is amazing.....)

BJOERN



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
Date: 19 Sep 1997 04:20:24 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-18 12:46:38 EDT, you write:

>
>  Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next
>  "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down?

More free imrpov stuff, ala recent concerts at the Knit, the Zorn / Previte
disc, etc.
Jody



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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
Date: 19 Sep 1997 10:10:28 -0500

Tehillim (sp?)
Is an excellent Steve Reich Peice.


**************************************************************
" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
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From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)
Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:41:32 -0500 (CDT)

On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Steve Smith wrote:

> Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty
> bound to provide an update:
>
> Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
> and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.
>
> He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
> the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
> play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
> collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
> lately as they're all so busy.  Regarding the Knit shows, he said it
> would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price
> they get there is not the price they envision for the future.  But yes,
> the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably
> mostly at festivals and so on.
>

Of course, I suppose there's always the possibility that Zorn could keep
Masada active with some less pricey sidemen, I've always thought it was a
real shame that none of the other incarnations of the Masada project got
documented.  In fact, I'll admit to it here in this public forum, but I've
always thought that the long ago forgotten "West Coast" group (Zorn, Ben
Goldberg - clarinet, Trevor Dunn - bass, Kenny Wollesen - drums) pretty
much kicked ass all over the main ensemble.  Everyone was just so manic
and over the top, it was really incredible.  The Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Martin
band wasn't too shabby either.

Of course, like a lot of other folks, I'm also looking forward to see if
we can expect another brand spankin' new "working band" from Mr. Z as
Masada sort of comes to a close.  So I think either way here we win...




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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc.
Date: 20 Sep 1997 03:19:54

As far as programmatic music is concerned, Steve Reich's The Desert Music
can't be beat. It's an album length five movement piece with text by
William Carlos Williams. The third movement is astounding. My favorite
piece however is probably Violin Phase which features a soloist playing
against pretaped versions of himself. It's available on an ECM record with
(I believe) Octet.

It's all good though

Jesse




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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e
Date: 20 Sep 1997 03:24:17

There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?

Thanks for your answers,

Jesse




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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e
Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:51:13 -0700

> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?

there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's recorded-- i don't
know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to transcribe,
as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes
--



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba



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From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Paging Tom Pratt
Date: 19 Sep 1997 16:07:44 -0700

I do hope you'll let us know which Reich/Partch you procured and what
you thought of it/them.

Schwitterz




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From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: NYPhilharmonic commission
Date: 19 Sep 1997 22:26:33 -0400

Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York Philharmonic.
(http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org)

Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" Sept. 28.
--- steve




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From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich recommendations
Date: 19 Sep 1997 22:55:16 -0400

I like Music for 18 Musicians a lot but my personal favorite is EARLY WORKS
(Nonesuch) which includes his early tape experiments 'Come Out' and 'It's
Gonna Rain' as well as 'Piano Phase.'  This material isn't just historical-
they're amazingly rich experiments.

Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: PARACHUTE YEARS
Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:43:39 -0400 (EDT)

I would recommend buying it, to have that alternate version of Lacrosse is
almost worth the price alone!  (Naked City used to play Lacrosse..)
Jody




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission
Date: 20 Sep 1997 00:26:17 -0400

stephen drury wrote:

> Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York
> Philharmonic.
> (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org)

That's a very interesting program (for those who didn't want to make the
trip through the NYPhil's website, it's William Schuman's New England
Triptych, Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto, Aaron Copland's
complete Billy the Kid, and the world premiere of a little something
called Orchestra Variations by some guy named Zorn) and I'll be sure to
be there.

But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to
Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and
"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem"
under him last season.  In that concert they sucked stale bathwater
through their collective backdoor.  I have absolutely nothing against
the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often.  But this was possibly
the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra.  Then
Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor
Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class.  Was it Slatkin
they had a problem with?  Who knows?  Anyway, cross your fingers for our
boy Johnny.

Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast.  Any
idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen?

Best,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]

>
>
> Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny"
> Sept. 28.
> --- steve






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From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e
Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:25:33 -0800

John Shiurba wrote:

>>Jesse Simon wrote:

>> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
>> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
>> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
>> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
>> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?
>
>there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's
>recorded-- i don't
>know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to
>transcribe,
>as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes
>- --

John's right that there's a score for the piece, but wrong about counting
sustained whole notes (or maybe I'm misunderstanding his phrase).

The piece is less than a full page long (I think it's about five lines or
so).  It'd be more a matter of counting out sub-divisions of a VERY slow
pulse.


Herb Levy
[e-mail]





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From: "mcbride/turner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: reich recommendations
Date: 20 Sep 1997 08:56:06 -0400

i've heard very little, but i'll second the votes for the
kronos/metheny album, 'different trains/electric counterpoint' and also
for 'music for 18 musicians'.  as i recall, electric counterpoint and
music for 18 musicians are very similar in that they use this same
quick-tempo, regular, pulsing crescendos as intros and
part-delineaters, and if the motive material isn't close to identical
then it's treatment is, but the timbral difference is awesome, and i
think these pieces make a fine pair of bookends.

and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,
you'll love it, if you get my meaning.  (probably means if you dislike
it, you'll hate it.  :))

have fun,
         robert



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From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reich boxset
Date: 20 Sep 1997 20:27:32 -0400

Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new
Reich boxset?  Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions?



Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm



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From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich boxset
Date: 20 Sep 1997 21:09:00 -0500 (CDT)

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Lang Thompson wrote:

> Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new
> Reich boxset?  Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions?

Unfortunately, I can't help out much here, but I thought I'd add my almost
meaningless post anyway. :-)  I've only heard/got the DG _Drumming_, etc.
CDs and I haven't listened to that part of the box, but I have to say that
it would've been nice to have the original recordings, just for the
historical sake of it.  I know this is prob'ly impossible, since the box
is done by Nonesuch and they'll use their own recordings over the others.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help....

cya
brian




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From: "allen huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cds for sale/trade
Date: 21 Sep 1997 09:44:49 UT

greetings fellow zornophiles

here's a quartet of items I have for sale or trade (at bargain rates, info to
follow)
no Zorn content but all artists have been discussed at one point or another on
this list so will (hopefully) be of interest

here we go:


Eyvind Kang "7 NADES" (Tzadik TZ 7013)

Tony Conrad "Slapping Pythagoras" (Table of the Elements 23)
includes Jim O'Rourke, David Grubbs, others

Heiner Goebbels/Alfred 23 Harth "Goebbels Heart" (Eva wwcx2042)
includes Dagmar Krause

various artists "At Close Quarters" (These 7)
live recordings from These Records shop London
includes Steve Beresford, Charles Hayward, David Toop, Nicolas Collins,
Morphogenesis, others


prices are $10 each for any single (or pair) of disc(s)
$25 for any three
$30 for all four
all prices include postage to anywhere in the USofA (outside of USofA trades
are much preferred)

if you have any questions or would like to reserve a disc, PLEASE respond to
me (Allen Huotari) NOT to the zorn-list

you may respond to either of two e-mail addresses:

        [e-mail]
            or
        [e-mail]

that's it, first come, first served
if you are interested in a trade please send your list of items

and beyond this offer, wants lists are welcome at any time


ajh









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From: Robert van Heumen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada scrores?
Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:07:32 +0100


Hi.

First contact...

I'm planning on starting a band to play Masada pieces; does anyone know if
there are scores available somewhere ?
And.. I'm still looking for people to join... so if you're living in the
Netherlands (or am I the only dutch person on this list??) and playing
drums, bass or saxophone (yes, I'm a trumpet player) or any other
instrument you think could be appropiate for this kind of music,  please
contact me!

By the way, I just bought Douglas' Sanctuary. At first I didn't like it
very much (it's so hectic, even if you are used to Zorn) but after some
more listening, I think it's interesting.... but is it beauty?
It also reminded me of Miles Davis' Bitches Brew and Live Evil, which I
like very much.

Ok that's all.

Robert.


*
information is not knowledge
knowledge is not wisdom
wisdom is not truth
truth is not beauty
beauty is not love
love is not music
music is the best
*

*frank vincent zappa*




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From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn/Previte
Date: 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400

When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?

        -Tom Pratt



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 21 Sep 1997 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT)



On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:

> When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?

It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a half.

Chris Hamilton





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From: slawlor <[e-mail]>
Subject: parachute question?
Date: 21 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there.  I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on?  Can someone
give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but
of the original recordings?  Thanks for the information.





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From: [e-mail] (joel lewis)
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc.
Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT)

i reccomend dg drumming & ecm music for 18 musicians, tho' i suppose that
the 10 cd set of reich would satisfy one for a bit.

two best partch intro have yet to be reissued: world of harry partch &
delsuions of the fury, both on cbs. the latter came with a seperate disk
that featured demonstrations of the individual instruments and partch
talking about his music--set also came w/ a beautiful booklet.

right now-- the cri recordings are essential. keep a look out for the
newband recordings under supervision of dean drummond who played on
partch's cbs recordings -- they plan to record entire partch cannon

joel lewis





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From: [e-mail] (joel lewis)
Subject:  Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT)

Re: zorn's future plans.

i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to
indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on
compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule.

joel lewis





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From: Scott T Chamberlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: description of pattons new disk
Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:32:38 -0500 (EST)

I was just listening to Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista on my computer, and
my CD player looks up the disk info off of a database, and the disk
came up listing the band as smell, and the title of the disk as
penile goo.  I think that this is a joke, and not a mistake because
the track listing is all correct.  Just thought I'd add this.
-Scott
[e-mail]



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From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission
Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:53:29 -0400

Steve (and Zornlistgang) --

You know, John Cage once publicly referred to the NYPhilharmonic as
"bandits".  Overpaid bandits, I might add.  Well, one can always hope; see
you there.

At 12:26 AM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to
>Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and
>"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem"
>under him last season.  In that concert they sucked stale bathwater
>through their collective backdoor.  I have absolutely nothing against
>the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often.  But this was possibly
>the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra.  Then
>Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor
>Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class.  Was it Slatkin
>they had a problem with?  Who knows?  Anyway, cross your fingers for our
>boy Johnny.
>
>Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast.  Any
>idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen?
>
Zorn's concerto still has a few segments that need to be dropped in (like
the boy's choir), so who knows.




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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's future plans
Date: 22 Sep 1997 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT)



On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, joel lewis wrote:

> i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to
> indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on
> compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule.

Well, that's good.  He's been kind of slack about putting out new material
recently. 8^)

Chris Hamilton




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: reich recommendations
Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:33:20 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote:

> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
> out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,
> you'll love it, if you get my meaning.  (probably means if you dislike
> it, you'll hate it.  :))

it's early works by electra/nonesuch. also has piano phase, clapping
music and the other superb tape work it's gonna rain.


 teemu

:::: e-mail [e-mail] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -




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From: "Marlene McMullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: reich recommendations
Date: 22 Sep 1997 06:54:37 -0700




>On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote:
>
>> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
>> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
>> out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,

Captain Beefheart uses the phrase 'Come out to show dem' on the tune
"Moonlight On Vermont" which was recorded after Reich's piece...always
wondered if there was a conscious connection. Also, on the "Bruise Blood
Re-Mix" of Tortoise's "DJED," U.N.K.L.E. makes heavy use of samples of
Reich's piece.

Sz





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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 22 Sep 1997 11:57:38 -0400

Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
>
> It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a
> half.
>
> Chris Hamilton

It was officially released last Tuesday.  It should be in the same
stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch.  If
not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and foreign
mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site
(http://members.aol.com/DOField).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]






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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 22 Sep 1997 10:16:10 -0500





On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:
>When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
>
>        -Tom Pratt
>
>

It's been out for a few days here.  Quite the excellent album, in my
opinion.

**************************************************************
" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
**************************************************************



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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: parachute question?
Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0700

slawlor wrote:
>
> Hi there.  I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on?  Can someone
> give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but
> of the original recordings?  Thanks for the information.

Parachute was a label started by Eugene Chadbourne, the releases of this
label include:
Zorn/Chadbourne- School
Zorn/Chadbourne- 2000 Statues/the English Channel
Zorn- Archery
Zorn- Pool
and also records by Eugene Chadbourne, Henry Kaiser, Lesli Dalaba, Polly
Bradfield and surely I've forgotten one or two.
--



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba





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From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 22 Sep 1997 22:03:13 -0400

Steve Smith wrote:

> Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
> >
> > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
> >
> > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a
> > half.
> >
> > Chris Hamilton
>
> It was officially released last Tuesday.  It should be in the same
> stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch.  If
>
> not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and
> foreign
> mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site
> (http://members.aol.com/DOField).
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]

And one excellent recording it is!  For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's
great to hear so much of Bobby.  It's surprising that the duo format
offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess.
Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely.  It's
not at all a speed race ala Naked City.

Alan







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From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: reich
Date: 23 Sep 1997 08:29:45 -0400

I'm not sure how the Reich got started on this list, but IMHO "The Cave"
is worth a listen.  Now it's not something I'm going to sit down with
every day, but I think it was overlooked by critics and fans alike.
Perhaps it's impact is lessened due to length or the fact that it was
originally presented in a visual format, but nevertheless I think it has
many merits.  Takes some concentration and you've got to have the
libretto in front of you, but it's worth the trip.

Alan E Kayser




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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Leng Tche
Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:16:14 -0400


    >>  Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to
    >> mean...?

    > 100 pieces. It was a torture method.

On April 10, 1905, Louis Carpeaux, a western photographer, and
possibly Georges Dumas, an early psychologist, were present at the
execution of Fou Tchou Li, guilty of murder of a prince.  Because of
the merciful benevolence (!) of the emporer, he was not burned as he
had been sentenced, but cut into 100 pieces while still alive (and
given massive doses of opium to prolong the agony).

Carpeaux brought back photos of the execution, one of which was
published by Dumas in his 1923 Treatise of Psychology.  One is also
incorporated into the cover art of the original edition of Leng Tche
-- I don't know if it is in the black box or not.  A number of artists
have been fascinated by the photos, not only for the sheer grisliness,
but because of the expression on the victim's face, which has been
interpreted as being one of ecstasy and joy.

---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

For every complex question there is a simple answer, and it is wrong.
(H. L. Mencken)




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From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tche
Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:13:26 -0500 (CDT)

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Caleb Deupree wrote:

> -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not.

Yeah, it is.  All the original art from Leng Tch'e and Torture Garden is
included in Black Box, plus an extra insert explaining the sources and
signifigance behind each piece of art.  All that plus the delightful music
for only $19.99!

It's worth checking out. - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
*********************************





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From: stickman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada at the Knit.
Date: 23 Sep 1997 19:47:03 -0700

To Steve Smith or someone similarly informed:

What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and saturday?

Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans?

Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played on
the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.)

Also, thanks so much for always giving out the best Zorn info.

regards, Jim



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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.
Date: 23 Sep 1997 22:37:34 -0400

stickman wrote:

> What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and
> saturday?

8 and 10 on Thursday, 9 and 11 on Friday and Saturday.

> Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans?

My thought is that it will most likely be seated, but without tables
most likely since they expect big crowds as the rumor leaks around town
that these are the last Masada shows in New York or ever (remember,
neither is exactly true).

> Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played
> on
> the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.)

I think they'll probably be on the floor, as was the case during the
last two runs in which I saw them.  Which means it would really suck if
the Knit decides it's a standing show.

BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I
"tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
(pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?

Thanks for the compliment... I'm really just a fan who's in a great
position to hear things and loves to share them (a.k.a. a goddamn
bigmouth...)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]





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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.
Date: 23 Sep 1997 20:32:46 -0700

>BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I
>"tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
>(pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
>playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?
>
>>Steve Smith

It was working on all cylinders tonight, for the first time in my household.

Schwitterz
>




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.
Date: 23 Sep 1997 23:52:28 -0400

Steve Smith wrote:

> BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when
> I
> "tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
> (pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
> playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?

If I'd kept my mouth shut a little longer I could have answered my own
question, since right now I'm seeing and hearing Ravi Coltrane,
Mixashawn, Pheeroan ak Laff and Rashied Ali tear it up on a late-period
John Coltrane piece in honor of Trane's 71st birthday tonight.

Of course, that still doesn't necessarily bode well for a netcast of
Masada's shows... if they do play on the floor and nobody thinks to move
the camera from its position next to the mixing board, all you'll see is
audience members sitting on the stage.  Stay tuned...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]






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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lane/Grand Guignol
Date: 24 Sep 1997 17:00:42 +1000

2 Questions:

Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
reading something about this somewhere.

Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy?

Thanks...



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From: "Marc A. Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol
Date: 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500


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If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley Burns
at

http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html

You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with Dr.
Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself. Look at
www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some of his work on
their site, along with a host of other interesting visual artists.

I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited to
Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at:
http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html
Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to me. Can
anyone confirm this?

Marc Foster

Julian wrote:

> 2 Questions:
>
> Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
> Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
> reading something about this somewhere.
>
> Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy?
>
> Thanks...



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If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley
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<P>You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with
Dr. Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself.
Look at www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some
of his work on their site, along with a host of other interesting visual
artists.

<P>I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited
to Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at:
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<BR><I>Portrait of a Dead Man</I> sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo
to me. Can anyone confirm this?

<P>Marc Foster

<P>Julian wrote:
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<P>Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
<BR>Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
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<P>Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this
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From: Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn on Monk
Date: 24 Sep 1997 16:38:46 -0500

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I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big Gundown" and I was
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Zorn played on.  Is it still in print?, or is it available anywhere?
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From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk
Date: 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400

>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]> writes:

    Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big
    Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk
    Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on.  Is it
    Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere?  -Scott

It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by
(who else?) Hal Willner.  I've never seen it on CD.

---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk
Date: 24 Sep 1997 15:13:19 -0700


On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400  Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big
>     Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk
>     Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on.  Is it
>     Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere?  -Scott
>
> It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by
> (who else?) Hal Willner.  I've never seen it on CD.

It is even worse than that: the Zorn track is not on the CD reissue !#!$$@$@#%@#%@#

If you want this astonishing version if SHUFFLE BOIL, you will have to track down the
2xLP.

    Patrice.



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From: "pjm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: somewhat off subject...
Date: 24 Sep 1997 15:57:51 -0700

Sorry to drift off topic, but there is a great local trio here called Pacer
that brings to mind Naked City and James Chance, and i've posted a few
samples at: http://www.memes.com/~pjm/pacer.html
    I've seen them live twice and they are wonderfully tight and passionate.
Luke plays sax, Abi plays bass and Trev plays drums and they all sing. More
like James Chance the more i listen....
                        Cheers
                            pjm



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From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins? Patton?
Date: 24 Sep 1997 22:17:50 -0400

I know this is real old; I just found it, so if anybody still cares:

>On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:31:58 +1000, Julian wrote:
>
>When I purchased my copy of "Leng Tch'e" I was told by the sales guy that
>this piece was performed by John Zorn, the Melvins & Mike Patton as
>Naked City. When I questioned him, he was almost violently sure that this
>was fact. Upon repeated listenings, I found that there were some places
>where it sounds like it could quite definitely be Mike Patton. In others,
>it sounded like Yamatsuka Eye. I'm not sure if this is an often asked
>question, but some friends and I were wondering if it is either Patton or
>Eye? Or perhaps both??


I was there, in the studio when the guitar tracks were being laid down for
Leng Tch'e.  Frith and Frisell.

---  steve drury




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From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
Subject: "Carny" in Boston?
Date: 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT)

        Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at
BU?  Who's performing?  What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)?  Also,
did anyone on the Zorn list in the N.E. area see the info about Dave douglas
in December (Boston) and Bill Frisell in October (Lexington, Mass)?  We
should network at these shows......

Much respect,
Rich Ladew
[e-mail]




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Lies in Zorn's Future...
Date: 25 Sep 1997 00:49:48 -0400

... well, who the hell knows?  But here's another nifty curveball from
the master of suspense.  Zorn will be playing the music of legendary
organist Larry Young, the B3 innovator from Tony Williams Lifetime and a
host of other memorable albums, at the Knitting Factory on Wednesday,
October 22.  He'll be joined by Marc Ribot, John Medeski, Kenny Wollesen
and Cyro Baptista.  Sounds like an evening of serious burn to this
youngster who discovered Young far too late.

(Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the
Knit.  I need a shrink...)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]





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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What Lies in Zorn's Future...
Date: 24 Sep 1997 22:11:23 -0700


>
>(Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the
>Knit.  I need a shrink...)
>
>Steve Smith

I am indeed a psychologist. Perhaps we can work out a trade.
Therapy for tapes. Hey. I think I'm onto something.

Schwitterz

>
>
>
>




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From: Landon Thorpe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller in '98
Date: 25 Sep 1997 01:49:51 -0500 (CDT)

A few weeks ago, someone asked about the activity of Painkiller in the
future. I just read (on the Dub Terrorist page associated with Hyperreal)
that a new album and some touring are expected in 1998. Can anyone confirm
and does anyone know anything more?

Landon Thorpe





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk
Date: 25 Sep 1997 09:06:26 -0400 (EDT)

Hello all...

The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" was definitely on CD,
because I have one. The catalog number is A&M CD 6600. However, in order to
fit the two LP's onto one CD, a few tracks were left off, and for relevance
to the discussion here, unfortunately one of them was the Zorn track. I do
see this pop up on vinyl occasionally though; if anyone wants me to put them
on my want-list for this item (or anything else for that matter) feel free to
email me. IMHO it is a typically quirky and interesting Wilner project.
Looking forward to hearing from you....

Dale.




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From: Christopher John Moon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP
Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:22:56 -0700

The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" is always showing up
around Nashville in stores such as Great Escape and Phonolux.  The fact that
the Zorn track is only available on LP is one of the many reasons I finally
bought a turntable (OK, I know I should own a turntable, but I'm really low
on the $$$).
Anyway, if anyone would like me to keep an eye out for this, I really
wouldn't mind letting you know when one shows up.  Just email me your
request and we'll go from there.

Later,

Christopher Moon




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From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Radio Vol. 2??
Date: 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT

Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
me with :

I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.

Dave Brunelle
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2??
Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:37:23 -0500 (CDT)

I saw yesterday "Radio Vol.I" listed as an import from Germany on Music
Boulevard online shopping.  Maybe this is what you saw.   It was about 35
dollars.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, David Brunelle wrote:

> Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
> me with :
>
> I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
> was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
> apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
> an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
> it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
> owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
> slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
> is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.
>
> Dave Brunelle
> [e-mail]
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2??
Date: 25 Sep 1997 08:38:24 -0700


On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT  "David Brunelle" wrote:
>
> Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
> me with :
>
> I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
> was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
      ^^^^^^^^

It was never recorded to my knowledge and I doubt it will ever be (maybe
with the exception of a Naked City reunion in 15 years...).

> apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
> an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
> it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
> owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
> slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
> is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.

All I know about it:


*** - RADIO, VOL. 2: Naked City

    19?? - Avant (Japan), Avan 005 (CD)

  Note: not released; in fact it has never been recorded.


Supposed content of the record:

NAKED CITY'S "COVER" RECORD. An album of JOHN ZORN's eclectic
arrangements of some of the most important, and often overlooked
compositions of the 20th century.
JERRY GOLDSMITH, ORNETTE COLEMAN, BRIAN WILSON, IGOR STRAVINSKY,
DUKE ELLINGTON, TUSHIMA TOSHIAKI, WILLIAM ORBIT, GEORGE
CLINTON, and many more.

    Patrice.



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:51:44 -0700


On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT)  SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?
>
> unfortunately, i don't know much
> about MEV (would like to know
> more!), but i do knwo there is a
> CD from an old performance that
> is available through Anomalous
> and Forced Exposure.

If it is the following:


*** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva

  Actuel Volume 35.

    1/ Message                                  (M.E.V.)
    2/ Cosmic Communion                         (M.E.V.)

    Recorded June 1970

  Ivan Coaquette; Patricia Coaquette; Birgit Knabe; Nona Howard (side 2 only);
  Stephano Giolitti.

    1971 (?) - Byg Record, 529.335 (LP)
    1997 - Spalax (France), ??? (CD)

  Note: the sleeve is of very strong mystico-Indian inspiration (effect of the
  late 60's, I guess :-).


You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else.

    Patrice.



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From: chad edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Film works question
Date: 25 Sep 1997 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT)



    On one particular JZ filmworks album the last twenty
or so tracks are scores composed for use in commercials
around the globe. I was disappointed that JZ was unable
to list which products used which takes for commercial use.
Does anybody know this info?


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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Ianaro)
Subject: Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP
Date: 25 Sep 1997 16:07:05 -0500

I have this particular Monk tribute on Cassette, and the Zorn song is on
it.  I found it used in the corner bargain bin of a store in Pittsburgh.
Does anyone know if the cassette is the entire recording?  Or did they just
omit a different set of songs from the cassette to the CD?

GLENN





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From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol
Date: 25 Sep 1997 15:01:22 -0500




On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500 "Marc A. Foster"
<[e-mail]> writes:

> Anyway, read the article at:
>http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html
>Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to
>me. Can
>anyone confirm this?
>
>Marc Foster
>


Actually, the photograph in question is an entirely different severed
head on a platter than the Grand Guignol cover.   No joke.


**************************************************************
" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
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From: Valkwitch <[e-mail]>
Subject: radio program featuring zorn and others...
Date: 25 Sep 1997 20:16:16 -0400

For those of you who live in the Buffalo, N.Y. area, there is a new
radio show called Empathatically Difficult: Experimental Composition &
Monumental Improvisation.  It aires on WBNY (91.3 FM) the college radio
station for SUNY school Buffalo State College from 6pm - 9pm Wednesdays.
I contribute almost half of what is played on air, the other half is by
Bryan, the DJ/Host of the show.  We have played selections from John
Zorn's Naked City (the s/t nonesuch/warner release)and Masada 7 so far
(the show is 2 weeks old) and hopefully plenty more in the future. We've
also played tracks by artists like Derek Bailey, The Ruins and others.
We are open to suggestions and requests by sending e-mail to:
[e-mail]
    A webpage for the show has playlists, and a Links page set-up so far,
the address:  http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kaplbd69/
the playlist with John Zorn tracks:
        http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kapbld69/edpl2.html
    Also we are open to submissions of any decent
avant/improvised/free-form home or studio recordings which may be
broadcasted on the air.  More information can be found at the webpage.
                        Scott

                [e-mail]



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From: Valkwitch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn & EyE boxset?
Date: 25 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0400

I heard awhile back about this limited ed. 100 CD box set that was
going to be a collaboration of Yamataka Eye and John Zorn.  Supposedly
many of the discs in the set were to only have 1 track lasting only a
few seconds.  The idea of such a release boggles my mind.
But recently i've found it out that the concept has never materialized,
i guess there are obvious reasons.  Does anyone know anything else about
this?



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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn & EyE boxset?
Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Valkwitch wrote:

> i guess there are obvious reasons.  Does anyone know anything else about
> this?

the label who had planned the
release is no more.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.




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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> If it is the following:
>
> *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva
>
> You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else.

no, not that one.
the MEV i was referring
to are (from the FE catalog):

Title: ?
Label: IRML
Format: CD
Catalog Number: IRML 02
A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an
improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes.
The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet,
percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon
Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first
easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth
wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel
cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to
say the least.


Title: Live '94
Label: STOMACH ACHE
Format: 7"
Price: $3.25
Catalog Number: SA34
That MEV, as in: Alvin Curran (electronics, piano, tin), Frederic
Rzewski (piano), Richard Teitelbaum (electronics), George Lewis
(trombone, electronics).



in going through my old archives,
i found the following info on MEV:
(for what it's worth)

MEV is an acronym for Musica Elettronica Viva, a group dedicated to live
electronic music and which started about the same time that AMM (in
fact, there is a record on Mainstream with AMM on one side, MEV on the
other). The more constant elements of MEV are the great piano player and
composer Frederic Rzewski, Alvin Curran and Richard Teitelbaum.
Occasionaly, people like Karl Berger, Garrett List, Steve Lacy
collaborated with the group.

The Mainstream label, while Earle Brown was its main A&R guy, put out a
number of interesting avant-garde records, including one called Live
Electronic Music Improvised. One side is MEV, the other side is AMM (the
sides as labelled are reversed, btw). The AMM side consists of randomly
chosen fragments from their great second record The Crypt, interspersed
with random lengths of silence (that's "random" as in "random number
generator"; it's not a value judgement). Cardew was a member of AMM when
The Crypt was recorded.


and this was posted to rmb ages
ago when i still read that froop:

I've been looking for MEV material, too--it's pretty rare. George Lewis
was just a babe-in-arms when they were "together" (you know those 60s
collectives), but the rest of the band included Alvin Curran, Frederic
Rzewski, Alan Bryant & Ivan Vandor, along with Teitelbaum. I haven't
heard much, but the music's in the wonderfully eclectic vein that came
out of that period--part Karlheinz Stockhausen, part Albert Ayler, part
Pink Floyd & part AMM, with whom I believe they shared an album (&
perhaps even Cornelius Cardew?) They had a few albums on BYG


hope this helps.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.




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From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Covers on Naked City
Date: 26 Sep 1997 20:35:51 +1000

Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny
Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"?




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From: Mason Wendell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York
Date: 26 Sep 1997 08:49:49 -0400

Hey folks,

I apologise for the generic-ness of this mail but as you may know, nobody
has signed on to any Sigmoid Flexure mailing list because there never has
been one before. If you don't want one of the again just let me know and
you'll never hear from Sigmoid again.

Mon 10/6 9:00 PM - Sigmoid Flexure
     Knitting Factory's Alterknit Theater
     74 Leonard St, NYC   w/ Spooky Actions

Sigmoid Flexure, Mason from Blinder and Prelapse's free improvisation
group, will play the Knitting Factory on Oct 6th. The sound is most quickly
described as Loud Free Improv. If you'd like a more detailed description...
 "Mixing equal parts free jazz and punk rock, Sigmoid Flexure finds a home
between the walls of chaotic ambiance, hard-core composition, and spoken
text rivers" I promise a great show. Come on down!

Megan Gass - vocals, effects (from Blinder)
Emily Weber - tenor sax (from Ever Since Day One)
Chris Lavender - vibraphone
Dane Johnson - fretless guitar (from Prelapse)
Mason Wendell - fretless bass (from Blinder and Prelapse)
Rohin Khemani - drums


Hope to see you in NYC!
Mason




                        Mason Wendell
    Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html
               Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv
Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble
              Freelance Computer Music Copying



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From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Covers on Naked City
Date: 26 Sep 1997 23:16:41

At 08:35 PM 9/26/97 +1000, Julian wrote:
>Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny
>Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"?

Both of these are based on the themes from films. I don't know much about I
Want to Live (although I have seen the record once and the cover makes an
appearance in a recent book about album soundtrack covers).

Contempt on the other hand is a great film by Jean Luc Godard from 1963
with Brigitte Bardot, Michel Piccoli and Jack Palance. The music is by
Georges Delerue who scored hundreds of french films in the sixties. Most of
the music in the film is a variation on the central theme which Zorn
distilled in his excellent Naked City recording.

The original soundtrack for Contempt on vinyl is reasonably difficult to
find (it being a french import and all). However Martin Scorsese recently
rereleased Contempt in america and with any luck the soundtrack has been
issued on domestic CD because of this.

Hope this helps,

Jesse




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From: Dan Kuehn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
Date: 26 Sep 1997 15:07:43 +0000

list-eners

Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show
Friday - just listened to rehearsals 6-7pm iguess - show starts
now - 3pm Maui time 9 in ny - so cool i can hardly standit -
gotta go ....will i get anything thru the dreaded peak hours??
we'll see!

PS  ..who's playing (taped) before the show? vibes bass + steel
drum keyboard???
--
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens





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From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:08:37 -0700

list-eners

Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show
Friday -

Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens

Listening to them live in Ventura CA...pretty amazing...time for an audio
upgrade now that their link is working well...

Sz






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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:47:31 -0700 (PDT)


wow! listening to Masada live right now.
so amazing... <swoon>

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.




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From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Carny" in Boston?
Date: 26 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0400

"Carny" was written by Zorn for solo piano.  About 12 - 13 minutes long;
completely notated.  No, Zorn won't be at the BU performance.  I'll be
playing it again in January at Jordan Hall (New England Conservatory in
Boston) and Zorn won't be there, either.
--  steve

At 09:39 AM 9/25/97 -0600, you wrote:

>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
>From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
>Subject: "Carny" in Boston?
>
>        Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at
>BU?  Who's performing?  What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)?
>
>Much respect,
>Rich Ladew
>[e-mail]
>
>




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From:    [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: preZorn
Date: 27 Sep 1997 08:13:54 -0400

>Title: ?
>Label: IRML
>Format: CD
>Catalog Number: IRML 02
>A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an
>improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes.
>The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet,
>percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon
>Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first
>easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth
>wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel
>cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to
>say the least.

This CD is entitled "The Original MEV" and is available from
Forced Exposure & RRR for $12.


-Patrick





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From: stickman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Gig.
Date: 27 Sep 1997 10:13:04 -0700

Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce
that these were the last Masada shows. Someone at that point screamed out
very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard, but
did not respond. Also it was quite apparent that the shows were being
taped. Joey's solo's seemed shorter than i remember from last year's run,
possibly because they were recording??? Zorn's solos lasted the longest,
and, as with my opinions of the actual CD's, Greg Cohen was barely
audible from where i sat (which was very close) and took only a brief
solo.

The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of scoring
a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months back...it
was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then also.

What's the deal with that parking lot on the corner of Leonard and
Broadway? We parked there...free...no tickets...it was uncanny.

Also, why does the Knit always tell you that you cant wait in the hall
before the doors open, and then they tell you the doors wont open for 20
min., and after you've crushed yourself into the bar seconds later, they
open the doors immediately and all the people streaming in off the street
get better seats than you do because, you followed their orders. This has
happened to me at least 5 times. And it sucks.



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From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn/Previtte blurb
Date: 27 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0800

Here's a little blurb from the latest epulse:

jazz disc of the week:
     It may work for game show jingles and campfire songs, but cramming
standard music into one-minute intervals doesn't usually translate into
memorable listening experiences. JOHN ZORN and BOBBY PREVITE's 'EUCLID'S
NIGHTMARE' (Depth of Field, out now) attempts to do just this, however.
'Euclid's' -- the first release for Previte's Depth of Field (what
noteworthy jazz artist doesn't have his own label these days?) -- is
divvied up into 27 unnamed tracks, all of which clock in at roughly a
minute in length (with a few extended two-minute, don't-stop-now
compositions thrown in). And it works. Zorn's sax and Previte's skin work
are incredibly tight, and the tunes range from hastened interplay to
soulful, Masada-esque melodies. It appears the pair kept the tape running
on these sessions; there's occasional between-tune banter and many tracks
blend perfectly into one another stylistically. And to think, in the minute
it took you to read this, you could've been composing ...

copyright (c) 1997 MTS, Inc.





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Masada songs
Date: 27 Sep 1997 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT)

Does anybody know if Masada's repetoire was composed all at once, or if
the later discs actually contain newer material?




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From: Dan Kuehn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  zorn-liVE
Date: 27 Sep 1997 10:52:48 +0000

Well, folks,
I had to give up before the end of the first set.  At first the
digital hiccups were few and far between and kind of interesting
(wonder how zorn would take to this weird
web's-own-improvizing...), but it just kept getting worse;
finally it was so annoying i had to shut down.  fun while it
lasted tho.

that 2nd number - some kind of masada-vs-spy, huh? hotcha!

If I may stir up a debate,  What happens when we really do have
quality digital live audio feed on the web?  Is it the same as
concerts on the radio? "Personal use" tapes OK?  Not? Greed
aside, how can i sit out here in the middle of nowhere and not
share this event with my not-online friends?  I for one would
gladly fork over cash for a legit 2CD set of these KF Koncerts,
whether i was holding a bootleg or not.  I'm just a hungry fan -
i can't help myself - forgive me!

once again let me say tho that the privilege of being able to
listen to rehearsal/soundcheck and even the crowd noise and
background music in the club was a strange reminder that the KF
is a REAL place, like i didn't know it already.

To all you east coast clubhoppers: LUCKY DOGS!
--
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada Songs
Date: 27 Sep 1997 19:35:44 EST

 the tunes were not all composed at once.....
After a gig in NYC I was talking to Zorn and he mentioned that he had
written a few of the tunes they played that night, the night before the gig....this was about a year after the band started.

If anyone on here attended the Month of Zorn gigs at the old
Knit....remember what Micheal Dorf wrote in the program notes about the
first Naked City gigs in 1989 ??

Dorf: "...The first morning Zorn came in at 10am with the rest of the
band and passed out a booklet of his songs he had prepared.  By 8pm, the
group had learned 25 songs and played them for a standing-room crowd in
our new space.  The next morning, the band came in, John gave them 15
new songs, and by show time they had those down and also played some of
the old material.  This went on each day.  In five days they had a whole
repertoire and went on a European tour as if  they had been together for
years"   Pretty wild, huh!?!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Masada's gigs over the weekend.
Date: 28 Sep 1997 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT)

I went, and it was phenomenal, I loved every minute of it. The crowd was the
biggest I have ever seen at the knit for a show. They were on the floor, I
was right up close, which was very cool. The first night I went on friday,
they played a bunch of songs from the MAsada cd I have #2. Last night, they
played more amazing tunes, Baron's solos  were unbelievable, great vibe in
the room even though it was hot as hell. For the last set they played two
encores including a Bacharach tune. AT the end, Zorn was yelling "Masada!!"
and "The Jews", kinda as a closing point to their career. I've got a feeling
though, that they will play again, they're to good not to.
Matt



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From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cd sale
Date: 28 Sep 1997 11:31:55 -0500

Folks,

I have a list of 76 cd's i'm selling.  Very few of these relate to the NYC
Downtown scene; however, the list is diverse.  Anyone from Jim O' Rourke,
Brotzmann/Laswell, Anthony Coleman,Third Rail, Richard Thompson to Joshua
Redman and Gary Burton.  If anyone
is interested please email me privately for details.....thanks

Glenn



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From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada. . .
Date: 28 Sep 1997 17:16:25 -0500 (CDT)

I saw Masada in Knoxville about a year ago.  I had never even hear them
before, I just knew that Zorn was gonna be there.  Well, you can imagine
my pleasant suprise.

Speaking of Knoxville, about a week and a half ago, I saw Elery Eskellin,
Andrea Parkins, and Jim Black at this little dive called Barley and Hopps.
Anyway, they played 2 sets, including about 5 or 6 new, untitled songs.
It was pretty fresh.  If you guys have a chance to check them out on this
tour, certainly don't pass it up (although, I think that they are in
Europe right now . . .) - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

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From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 28 Sep 1997 21:25:56 -0700

ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:

> And one excellent recording it is!  For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's
> great to hear so much of Bobby.  It's surprising that the duo format
> offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess.
> Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely.  It's
> not at all a speed race ala Naked City.
>
> Alan

If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion...

Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys
could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well and
good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value from
these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the
longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite
cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to
be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as
soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of
improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent of
the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league,
yet.

(Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's
'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same evening--what
an amzing work this one is!)

Brian O.



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From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Date: 28 Sep 1997 22:43:56 -0400

Brian Olewnick wrote:

> ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
>
> > And one excellent recording it is!  For a Previte fan, yours truly,
> it's
> > great to hear so much of Bobby.  It's surprising that the duo format
>
> > offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical
> prowess.
> > Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely.
> It's
> > not at all a speed race ala Naked City.
> >
> > Alan
>
> If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion...
>
> Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys
> could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well
> and
> good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value
> from
> these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the
> longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite
>
> cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to
>
> be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as
> soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of
>
> improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent
> of
> the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league,
> yet.
>
> (Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's
> 'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same
> evening--what
> an amzing work this one is!)
>
> Brian O.

Brian:-

I think the real enjoyment for me is to hear Bobby in this setting.
Never one to take a solo, this is as close as it gets.  I'm sure neither
John nor Bobby would place themselves alongside Braxton or Roach, but
who cares.  Euclid's Nightmare is fun and enjoyable to me, I'm not
making any comparisons.  It does sound very much as though they just sat
down and played, though I'm sure that was probably not the case.  These
are two guys who know what they want, and leave little to chance.  I had
a sense of wholeness about the work, rendering the length of each cut
rather meaningless.  Again, this is all IMHO.

Alan





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From: chad edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Live Videos?
Date: 28 Sep 1997 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT)


    I would love to aquire any live performance videos of
Naked City, Cobra sessions or any Mike Patton projects.
If anyone has any info regarding such items, or is
interested in swaping bootlegs, ( All I have is an
assortment of Mr.Bungle, Ween and Tom Waits boots)let
me know.




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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Gig.
Date: 29 Sep 1997 10:21:22 -0400

stickman wrote:

> Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce
> that these were the last Masada shows.

For a while, anyway.  He's taking about a year off from the band but
plans to reunite it at least once a year.  And once the ten studio
recordings are out, not only is it still rumored that they'll be boxed
into a single set on Tzadik, but also that there are no fewer than ten
live CDs coming after...

> Someone at that point screamed out
> very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard,
> but
> did not respond.

I've heard that the Larry Young Tribute I mentioned a few days ago will
actually be happening a few different times, so that sounds like a
record in the making. I heard that the first of these shows would be
October 22nd, someone else heard it would be the 23rd, and there's
nothing on the Knit's website yet, so it's anyone's guess right now.
Z's also doing the Company-style free improv thing seems like once a
month.  Supposedly wants to take a year off from steady playing to
concentrate on writing.

> The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of
> scoring
> a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months
> back...it
> was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then
> also.

The Knit no longer enjoys its exclusive (or any) arrangement with DIW.
You can easily find Masada 8 at Downtown Music Gallery for $16 or at the
downtown Tower for $22.

> Also, why does the Knit... [snip]

Oh boy, don't get me started ;-).  Maybe next time you should hover just
outside the door and sprint when they open the doors... you won't miss
any exciting new additions to the CD case in the Front Bar anytime soon,
anyway...

On the other hand, twas nice to see that someone at least attempted to
move the camera to let net viewers catch at least a few furtive glimpses
of the band.  A small glimmer of soul...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]






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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Philip Gelb - Purple Wind
Date: 29 Sep 1997 18:07:08 -0400 (EDT)

Philip Gelb plays the Knitting Factory sometimes.

Purple Wind
Philip Gelb
Ryokan 1

This improvised music by Philip Gelb and company
is wild. Blending traditional Japanese instruments
with free jazz percussion and electronics seems
so natural. One minute we're treated to a shakuhachi
solo or a duet with a koto and a split second later
we're assaulted by sampler mayhem, then a peaceful
electronic bed, waves of sound while a
flute and variety of percussion color the picture. And
where else can you find someone credited for playing rubble?

I got my copy at Down Music Gallery.
211 E. 5th Street (between 2nd and 3rd ave.)
N.Y., N.Y. 10003
Email: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
Subject: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:07:39 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings:

This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
potentially do with hip hop in his music?  I'm curious after hearing faint
samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie
aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground.  I know a lot of
other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was
specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop
setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone
equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their
mix??  I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know
I'm reaching with this particular inquiry.


Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect:

Rich Ladew
[e-mail]




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From: chad edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Question regarding Film Works
Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT)






-
>
> >  I really enjoyed the last twenty or so tracks on one of
> >the film works CDs( I dont have it handy and cant remember
> >which one.)
> >that JZ composed for the use in commercials around the world.
> >However I was dissapointed that he was unable to publish the
> >company names for which the scores were used. Does anybody
> >have this info?
>

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From: chad edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tears of Ecstacy
Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:19:13 -0700 (PDT)






--
> >   One other thing. Does anyone know where I can
> >obtain a copy of the film "Tears of ecstacy" from the
> >FilmWorks series?
>

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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:09:41 +0200

Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER
MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including
Zorn  (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)...
It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it
doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance.
As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended.

the other ones with Patrice lists are

  ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP))
  ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD))
  THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD))
  COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk-
    land Music, GKM 3 (CD))
  ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD))

So not much hiphop there either.

Is Zorn really interested in hiphop? perhaps just in the heavy metal samples
used...

Stephane



At 19:07 on 29.09.97 -0400, Lich ladew wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
>potentially do with hip hop in his music?  I'm curious after hearing faint
>samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie
>aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground.  I know a lot of
>other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was
>specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop
>setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone
>equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their
>mix??  I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know
>I'm reaching with this particular inquiry.
>
>
>Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect:
>
>Rich Ladew
>[e-mail]
>
>
>
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:49:44 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Rich Ladew wrote:

> This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
> potentially do with hip hop in his music?

a slight connection would be dj spooky... i don't know whatever he and
zorn have ever colloborated but at least they both have strong
connections to kf. of course spooky operates on a larger area than
'hip-hop' but imo hip-hop is the foundation, at least the technical
foundation (i'll pass the intellectual ramblings about the origin of
cut'n'paste here) of all turtable manipulation.

zorn has worked with christian marclay and david shea - who at least has
stated that he uses the same attitude then scratching for downtown
composers like zorn as he uses on a house/hip-hop gig.

there's was fine article about marclay, shea and some others on keyboard
some years ago... i dig it up and type the irrelevant rap (pun intended,
arf arf) for this this list...


 teemu

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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:52:53 +0200


There's also a HipHop-remix of Dracula by MMW (on the Bubble-house remix ep),
on which Zorn plays sax.

Yves



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From: Zachary <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 16:21:28 -0400

At 09:09 AM 9/30/97 +0200, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER
>MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including
>Zorn  (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)...
>It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it
>doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance.
>As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended.
>
>the other ones with Patrice lists are
>
>  ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP))
>  ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD))
>  THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD))
>  COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk-
>    land Music, GKM 3 (CD))
>  ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD))
>
>So not much hiphop there either.

From what I can tell, Emergency Broadcast Network uses a Zorn sax screech
(from Naked City's "Speedball", I think) repeatedly on the song "Electronic
Behavior Control System" from their _Telecommunication Breakdown_ album.
EBN is in that same sample-heavy vein as Meat Beat Manifesto (EBN's album
was produced by Jack Dangers of MBM), and the beats are pretty much hip-hop
in nature.  Great sample editing, too.

This is my first post,
-Zachary

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From: chad edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins Videos
Date: 30 Sep 1997 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT)




   Does anybody Out there have any Melvins videos?


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From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tears of Ecstacy
Date: 30 Sep 1997 20:19:54 -0400

Don't know about this one but there is another film from the same director
available in the US.  I saw the box in a local (Atlanta) video store that
soon went bankrupt so I never rented it.  The tape was part of a series of
gay-themed "art" films that was called something like Pink Visions (or
maybe I'm misremembering it).  Facets in Chicago might be able to help
track it down.
Lang Thompson
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From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:58:47 -0800

The samples of Public Enemy are part of Wayne Horvitz' sampler set up for a
couple of particular pieces in the Naked City repertoire, I don't know
whether this was at Zorn's request or if it was Wayne's idea.

Zorn did include rap turntable artist Whiz Kid in one of the Locus Solus
trios, but that seems to be the most recent (& so far only) collaboration
with a performer from that end of the music business.

Bests,

Herb


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From: Richard Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Date: 30 Sep 1997 01:28:04 -0500

Rich Ladew wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
> potentially do with hip hop in his music?   I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know
> I'm reaching with this particular inquiry.

 Actually, it's not that far a reach. If anyone  was lucky enough to see
any of the handful of original Golden Palomino's
gigs(Fier,Laswell,Zorn,Lindsay,Tacuma,Moss) they might remember JZ
engaging in some highly danceable James Brownish Funk. Great stuff, much
better than the LP they made. Hard to believe it was 15 years ago.


 BTW, If anyone still has a copy of the 3/25/82 Palomino show at
Danceteria, Pleeeeeeeeeaze, e-mail me privately, my copy got trashed.