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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #904 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, May 8 2002 Volume 03 : Number 904 In this issue: - Re: Costello question Vandermark 5 double CDs Re: best bootleg in world ever Re: best bootleg in world ever Re: Tom Cora Re: Re: best bootleg in world ever Re: Vandermark 5 double CDs AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE &ELECTRONIC MUSIC Re: Don Cherry "Actions" + new surprise topic!!!!!!!! save internet radio Re: save internet radio Star Wars and the Ring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:51:24 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Costello question - --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Hi, Costello's Warner years are somewhat controversial in that both hardcore and= =20 casual fans generally either love or hate the releases from that era. =20 Personally speaking, I find the songs on "Spike" and "MLAR" to be diverse --= =20 ranging from Irish ballads, Dixieland romps, Beach Boys layered sugar pop,=20 and funk to straight-up rock and roll -- but over produced. =20 If you are seriously considering purchases, I'd recommend the recent 2CD=20 Rhino reissue of "Spike" which includes demos of almost every song, plus som= e=20 nice bonus material. The demos show the strength of the songs without the=20 sugar coating of the layered production. Similarly, Rhino is about to=20 release a 2CD version of MLAR with demos and bonus material. The Rhinos are= =20 a good deal as they only charge a single CD price. "Spike" is Costello playing a kid in a candy store, the hefty Warner's=20 recording budget letting him indulge every whim. MLAR (a "bearded year"=20 release) sees Costello pissed off and contemplative, aiming barbs the record= =20 industry ("Invasion Hit Parade"), at former Attraction bassist Bruce Thomas=20 (on "How To Be Dumb") and John Lennon, Roger Waters, Sting and Bowie ("The=20 Other Side of Summer"). If you're like me and think Costello is the best=20 lyricist this side of Dylan, then you won't be disappointed. If you are=20 among those who feel Costello's ambition far exceeds his talents and that hi= s=20 lyrics are too opaque and "clever," you might want to steer clear. As for Ribot's playing, he contributes about as much as he did on the Tom=20 Waits albums. Sometimes he merely solos and fills; other times his angular=20 melody drives the songs.=20 Tom Tom=20 In a message dated 5/8/02 10:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.e= s=20 writes: > Hi, >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve been curious about =E2=80=9CSpike=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CMight= y Like a > Rose=E2=80=9D for quite a long time. OK, in the beginning > because of Ribot=E2=80=99s presence on both of them but now > Costello=E2=80=99s talent stands for itself to me. Are they > recommendable? Brief descriptions are welcome. >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Efr=C3=A9n del Valle > n.p: Chicago Underground Duo "Axis and Alignment" > (thrill jockey) ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,=20 and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <HTML>Hi, Costello's Warner years are somewhat controversial in that both hardcore and= casual fans generally either love or hate the releases from that era. = Personally speaking, I find the songs on "Spike" and "MLAR" to be diverse -= - - ranging from Irish ballads, Dixieland romps, Beach Boys layered sugar pop,= and funk to straight-up rock and roll -- but over produced. If you are seriously considering purchases, I'd recommend the recent 2CD Rhi= no reissue of "Spike" which includes demos of almost every song, plus some n= ice bonus material. The demos show the strength of the songs without t= he sugar coating of the layered production. Similarly, Rhino is about=20= to release a 2CD version of MLAR with demos and bonus material. The Rh= inos are a good deal as they only charge a single CD price. "Spike" is Costello playing a kid in a candy store, the hefty Warner's recor= ding budget letting him indulge every whim. MLAR (a "bearded year" rel= ease) sees Costello pissed off and contemplative, aiming barbs the record in= dustry ("Invasion Hit Parade"), at former Attraction bassist Bruce Thomas (o= n "How To Be Dumb") and John Lennon, Roger Waters, Sting and Bowie ("The Oth= er Side of Summer"). If you're like me and think Costello is the best=20= lyricist this side of Dylan, then you won't be disappointed. If you ar= e among those who feel Costello's ambition far exceeds his talents and that=20= his lyrics are too opaque and "clever," you might want to steer clear. As for Ribot's playing, he contributes about as much as he did on the Tom Wa= its albums. Sometimes he merely solos and fills; other times his angul= ar melody drives the songs. Tom Tom In a message dated 5/8/02 10:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.e= s writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi, I=E2=80=99ve been curious about =E2=80=9CSpike=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CMighty=20= Like a Rose=E2=80=9D for quite a long time. OK, in the beginning because of Ribot=E2=80=99s presence on both of them but now Costello=E2=80=99s talent stands for itself to me. Are they recommendable? Brief descriptions are welcome. Thanks in advance. Best, Efr=C3=A9n del Valle n.p: Chicago Underground Duo "Axis and Alignment" (thrill jockey)</BLOCKQUOTE> ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, a= nd enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."</HTML> - --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:54:05 +0000 From: "David Evans" <davidcerievans@hotmail.com> Subject: Vandermark 5 double CDs Does anyone know anything about the double CD versions of Burn the Incline and Acoustic Machine? What's on the second disc? Thanks Dave. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ethan Clauset <eclauset@webslingerZ.com> Subject: Re: best bootleg in world ever http://www.boomselection.n3.net/ I think this is what you're talking about.. the CD itself, is of course a bootleg, and none of the bootleggers contained therein are getting paid. much less the original artists. what goes around, etc. most of it's available as MP3s at the site above, though. e - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:08:12 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com> Subject: Re: best bootleg in world ever > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:23:42 -0400 > Subject: best bootleg in world ever > > OK, after hearing selections from this on WFMU for a while and seeing a couple of reviews, now I wanna know where to get > a copy. Any ideas? > In NYC, Kim's Underground and Other Music carries it. In London, the Rough Trade shop would have it. Great album but it's actually a bootleg (a poor copy of online files) of the bootlegs themselves. These guys are called 'bootleg remixers' though I've heard Simon Reynolds call this 'bastard pop' too. As it so happens, I'm trying to find venues from one of the DJ's featured on there (Grant McSleazy). Anyone have ideas for good venues for mid-August? See <http://www.mcsleazy.co.uk/> Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:14:32 -0400 From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Cora >>Now, if _anyone_ knows how to get hold of these japanese-only >>CDs with Tom (or any japanese only downtown-related music!), for anyone interested, we stock the following item: Pigdin Combo - The Long Vacation This documents a previously unknown-to-me collaboration in Japan of cellist/ composer Tom Cora with the legendary Japanese underground band Luna Park Ensemble. A mixture of firmly scored tunes & improvisations & often a mixture of both! Some great playing by Tom, & the others as well. The sax player has a sound reminiscent of Danny Finney (Rattlemouth), so sometimes this actually sounds like the never-made Rattlemouth/Tom Cora album... www.waysidemusic.com Steve - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:18:50 -0400 From: <wlt4@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re: best bootleg in world ever >it. Great album but it's actually a bootleg (a >poor copy of online files) of the bootlegs I may try Other Music. So is the CD worse quality than the MP3s? I'm guessing it was burned directly from those. I'm still on a dial-up connection so downloading is a major hassle for me; also I've never found a track listing for this particular collection. Thanks for the Boom Selection site; that's the kind of thing I'd been looking for but had trouble locating. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:47:51 EDT From: Scott32x@aol.com Subject: Re: Vandermark 5 double CDs - --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bonus disc on Burn The Incline is Free Jazz Classics vol. 1--- 1)Happy House (ornette coleman) 2)69L (anthony braxton) 3)Conquistador pt.2 (cecil taylor) 4)Goodbye, Tom B. (joe mcphee) 5)Saturn (sun ra) 6)Gazzelloni (eric dolphy) 7)New York Is Full Of Lonely People (art ensemble of chicago) Acoustic Machine has Free Jazz Classics vol. 2--- 1)Wherever June Bugs Go (archie shepp) 2)King Korn/Calls (carla bley) 3)The Earth/Jerry (The Moon) (frank wright) 4)Scootin' About (jimmy giuffre) 5)C.M.E./G Song (julius hemphill) 6)There Is The Bomb (don cherry) - --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>bonus disc on Burn The Incline is Free Jazz Classics vol. 1--- 1)Happy House (ornette coleman) 2)69L (anthony braxton) 3)Conquistador pt.2 (cecil taylor) 4)Goodbye, Tom B. (joe mcphee) 5)Saturn (sun ra) 6)Gazzelloni (eric dolphy) 7)New York Is Full Of Lonely People (art ensemble of chicago) Acoustic Machine has Free Jazz Classics vol. 2--- 1)Wherever June Bugs Go (archie shepp) 2)King Korn/Calls (carla bley) 3)The Earth/Jerry (The Moon) (frank wright) 4)Scootin' About (jimmy giuffre) 5)C.M.E./G Song (julius hemphill) 6)There Is The Bomb (don cherry)</HTML> - --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 13:41:32 +0200 From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" <mail@chromasoom.be> Subject: AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE &ELECTRONIC MUSIC > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. - --MS_Mac_OE_3103450892_90362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable i received this some time ago from the sub rosa maillist. since the ohm-discs are discussed, i guess this will interest everyone... jan Weynants=20 VA : AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE & ELECTRONIC MUSIC * an anthology of noise & electronic music * first a-chronology 1921-2001 * volume 1 - ---------------------------------------- digipack 2 cd + 24 pages booklet SR190 =20 barcode 5411867111900 EFA 27680-2 ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ AN UNPUBLISHED HISTORY this is the great beginning of a vast anthology of "noise and electronic music" that we plan for the following years in 7 double volumes. this volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Var=E8se, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers = - - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some piece= s on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. This volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Var=E8se, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some pieces on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. in fact, more than the half of what we listen here is unreleased and unpublished. ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ THE GATHERING OF ECLECTIC NOISE MAKERS whereas composers like Stockhausen, Berio or Pousseur had come from serialism and began making electronic music as a continuation of their work with traditional instruments, others such as Boehmer or Oliveros composed right away on electronic bases; there were those who invented new methods, like Schaeffer and concrete music, others were outsiders, revolutionaries or visionaries like Xenakis or Cage, without forgetting the branch of sound derived from dada, the complex forms of free jazz, John Coltrane, the acoustic and electronic improvisation scene, rock of the alternative, psychedelic and industrial varieties, the German wave of the 1970s, the last generation of electronic musicians from the beginning or middle of the 1990s, DJs, reinventors of drones, painters or sculptors usin= g sound, and process or software creators. The noise goes on=8A ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ WHAT CONTAINS THIS FIRST EDITION=8A Luigi and Antonio Russolo * 1921 John Cage * 1965=20 Sonic Youth * 1983=20 Einsturzende Neubauten * 1998 Walter Ruttman * 1930 Pierre Schaeffer * 1948 Iannis Xenakis * 1958 Paul D. Miller aka dj Spooky That Subliminal Kid * 2001 Gordon Mumma * 1965 Angus Maclise, Tony Conrad and John Cale * 1965 Philip Jeck, Otomo Yoshihide and Martin T=E9treault * 2000 Survival Research Laboratories * 1992 Konrad Boehmer * 1966 Nam June Paik * 1958-59 Henri Pousseur * 1957 Edgard Var=E8se * 1958 Pauline Oliveros * 1966 Ryoji Ikeda * 1997 curated by guy-marc hinant ___________________________________________________________________________= _ __ file under: early electronic ref: SR190 full lenght 2cd street release date: late April 2002 ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ * sub rosa 45 avenue de woluwe st lambert 1200 brussels belgium - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:05:26 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Don Cherry "Actions" + new surprise topic!!!!!!!! On Wed, 08 May 2002 12:24:54 +0000 "Arthur Gadney" wrote: > > Another of my big regrets is that Mengelberg didn't piano on "Machine Gun". > If he had, it might well deserve the status it today have. Now, it's merely > amazing. But don't you think that Fred Van Hove is a better player in such context? I love both Misha and Fred, but I really don't see Misha playing on MACHINE GUN. In fact, is there any full-blowing record with Misha (I really mean full-blowing-guts-on-the-table, not just getting your shirt wet)? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com> Subject: save internet radio i'm a dj at a local college radio station. we broadcast over the internet in addition to over fm radio. the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) requires a sound recordings performance royalty rate. this rate, as recommended by the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP) is set to be finalised may 21st. this royalty rate is higher than any royalty currently being paid by am and fm radio broadcasters and is set at a fixed price per song per listener. our station averages approximately 40,000 listeners per day. at $0.0014 for independent web-broadcasters, or $0.0007 for simulcast air/web broadcast per song per listener, this is a huge sum. and that royalty is retroactive to 1998. in addition, royalty accounting, record keeping and reporting requirements have been requested by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) that are beyond the abilities of most small college and independent webcasters and broadcasters. if the royalties do not bankrupt us, the cost of administering the royalty rate will. this may not have much effect to broadcasters outside the United States (unless your broadcasts are being transmitted by stations here in the states), but it will have a chilling effect on the future of internet radio. there's a huge amount of information on this issue at: http://www.saveinternetradio.org we also have a link to a form where you can fax your U.S. representative, urging them to take action with the Copyright Office and see that this ruling does not stick. incredible radio stations like WFMU, WREK, KTRU, WZBC and KFJC would be affected by this. if you have a moment, please go to our website and fill out the form to fax your representantive. and pass this message on. tell your friends and family. it is very important. http://www.kfjc.org/save.internet.radio.html thanks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:53:42 -0400 From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> Subject: Re: save internet radio >I don't mean to quibble, but I think that $0.15 per song per listener is >incorrect. It's actually more like $0.0014 for independent >web-broadcasters, and $0.0007 for simulcast air/web broadcast. I'm not >sure how college radio stations fit into these categories. 15 Cents or 14/100ths, It's especially sad that the artists discussed here rarely, if ever, see any of this money, - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:26:41 EDT From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: Star Wars and the Ring Does anyone know where I can get the score for the star wars films? I am in NYC. I am most interested the new Attack of the Clones score but I doubt that is available yet. The Star Wars Saga reminds me a great deal of Wagner's Ring. The development of themes is similar and I noticed that the theme that the Attack of the Clones uses for Anakin and his girlfriend's love theme is very similar to the renounciation of love theme in the Ring. They both start off with a minor 6th using the same rhythmic pattern. I wonder if that was coincidence. Also, like Sigfried and Gotterdammerung, now that we are this far along in the story, John Williams has plenty of familiar themes to work with from the past to tell the story musically. I think I have a pretty good idea of what happens from listening to the music alone. I will find out of May 17. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #904 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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