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Zorn List Digest         Saturday, May 4 2002         Volume 03 : Number 895



In this issue:
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       Buzzcocks on Film
       absynth
       New Tim Sparks
       Re: the early gurus of electronic music
       Antw: naked city live - listening...
       Ground Zero Plays Standards
       NC at the KF
       Re: the early gurus of electronic music
       RE: NC at the KF
       Re: the early gurus of electronic music
       Naked City live date
       Re: Ground Zero Plays Standards
       Re: NC at the KF
       Naked City live
       Pop Song
       MASADA "First Live 1993"
       RE: the early gurus of electronic music
       RE: NC at the KF

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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 10:02:45 +0100
From: Philip Clarkson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Buzzcocks on Film

I think someone was asking about the existence of footage of the Buzzzcocks
in their heyday, well - next month at the National Film Theatre in London,
there is a season of punk films to celebrate the punk's Silver Jubilee. On
June 9th the following is showing :

"Punk" : assembled in 1991, "Punk" (tx 18.10.91) includes the key moments
from "So It Goes", Granada TV's music series that provided regular &
thorough coverage of Punk. Beginning with the first ever Sex Pistols TV
appearance from September 1976, this haphazardly networked show featured
many Punk groups in the studio  or in especially arranged live shows. Plus
"B'Dum B'Dum", a 1978 documentary made about buzzcocks by Granada's local
programme unit."

I imagine that the extracts of the Pistols, Buzzcocks, Siouxsie & the
Banshees, Iggy Pop, the Jam & the Clash that appeared in "24 Hour PArty
People" are taken from this archive. Further details at www.bfi.org.uk.nft.

Phil Clarkson


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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 11:41:50 +0200
From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: absynth

finally, I also spent the money for the japan improv box, expecting it to
arrive next week from Metamkine.
Can't wait for that 'smell'...

another question:
Does anybody use or know the program 'Absynth', a software synthesizer from
Native Instruments?
Why is it that after approx. 10 mins the sound fades out, and I have to
restart the program?
Is that normal? Well, I guess not...
Any tips on this?
Absynth produces great sound, I want it to work good!


Jan Weynants



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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:10:09 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Tim Sparks

This just came on the Aquarius Records mailing list. Pretty funny comment,
but I actually do like the sounds clip... Any commets on the rest of the CD?
How does it work with the cello added?

SPARKS, TIMá "At The Rebbe's Table"á (Tzadik)á cdá 16.98
ááááá Inoffensive classical guitar jazz in John Zorn's new series of
background music for upscale dinner parties, in which the horrors of
globalization are discussed without being aware of the irony that all
of the guests are sporting clothes from The Gap.
RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksreturning.rm
RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksathe.rm
RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksbeautiful.rm



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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 10:11:56 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music

Hi David,

I can't be objective about this since I'm one of the people who put this
together.  I can tell you that I wanted a 4th CD because I thought we left
out a lot of other worthy people.  Sadly, the record company said the
logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen.  This would have
probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger
Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma,
Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard
Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne,
Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius.

Best,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:12:12 -0700
From: "Marcel Kranendonk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Antw: naked city live - listening...

> overall great to hear them live. Does anyone know anything about this
> gig? Sounds like they were getting ready to record the first album
> because the beginning of the set starts like the album.
>
If I recall correctly NC was playing two shows a night on saturday and
sunday in two weekends (so eight shows in total). In the week between the
weekends they recorded there first album(s?)
I saw seven of these show. Guests on the concerts included Michael Stipe and
maybe Arto L. (long time ago: memory fades...)
There was also a lady who filmed all the concerts for a PBS documentary on
KnitFacory. So there is some DVD-material out there.


Marcel

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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:39:12 -0400
From: "richard ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ground Zero Plays Standards

Does anyone know if this is still commercially available?  I am having a
hell of a time finding it.  Any help, opinions on the album etc. would be
greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail me privately if you know a way I can
obtain this also...

Thanks


Rich Ladew

np: Dave Douglas "Soul On Soul"


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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:41:09 -0400
From: "richard ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: NC at the KF

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What do people think of the first Naked City Live?

I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and =
extra Morricone track were pretty cool.  Hope there are remaining live =
discs that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE.  I'd love to have =
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Rich Ladew

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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:53:23 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music

On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 10:11:56AM -0400, Perfect Sound Forever wrote:

> I can't be objective about this since I'm one of the people who put this
> together.  I can tell you that I wanted a 4th CD because I thought we left
> out a lot of other worthy people.  Sadly, the record company said the
> logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen.  This would have
> probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger
> Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma,
> Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard
> Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne,
> Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius.

Did you get as far as creating a proposed tracklist for the fourth CD?
I'm curious as to what pieces you would have included and in what
order.  (Also curious as to how much of this material I already have,
and whether I could put it together for my own listening.)

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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:23:04 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: NC at the KF

There used to be two concerts on the Bunglefever ftp site of Naked City
with Mike Patton.  I know one was in Vienna, but can't remember where
the other one was.  I don't think they are still there, but you may be
able to find someone that has them.  The sound quality isn't very good,
but there were some good covers...possible a Parliament song among them.

Zach

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of richard ladew
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:41 PM
To: zorn
Subject: NC at the KF

What do people think of the first Naked City Live?
=A0
I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and
extra Morricone track were pretty cool.=A0 Hope there are remaining live
discs that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE.=A0 I'd love to have
that.
=A0
=A0
Rich Ladew



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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 14:49:49 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music

At 01:53 PM 5/4/2002 -0500, Joseph Zitt wrote:
>Sadly, the record company said the
> > logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen.  This would have
> > probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger
> > Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma,
> > Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard
> > Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne,
> > Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius.
>
>Did you get as far as creating a proposed tracklist for the fourth CD?
>I'm curious as to what pieces you would have included and in what
>order.  (Also curious as to how much of this material I already have,
>and whether I could put it together for my own listening.)

Hi Joseph,

Unfortunately, we never got that far.  If I was going to make some
recommendations off-hand, I'd say that the series on BV Haast/Acousmatrix
is a great resource for Posseur, Berio and Koenig: each of their CD's in
the series is called "Electronic Works."  We might have actually picked out
pieces for Budd ("The Oak of Golden Dreams" from the same titled CD with
Richard Maxfield on New World) and Roedelius ("Im suden" from "Cluster II")
because I vaguely remember interviewing each of them.

For everyone else mentioned, a great place to find their music is the
Electronic Music Foundation at <http://www.emf.org>

By the way, the record company wanted to also include Tangerine Dream and
Kraftwerk.  I got the contact information for their management, wrote
half-hearted queries to them and didn't cry too much when they both
declined as I suspected they would.  I actually like both groups but it
didn't seem really appropriate to have them there (other than commercial
reasons).

Best,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:11:29 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked City live date

Hello,

What date was the Naked City live CD recorded?

Thanks.



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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:22:02 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero Plays Standards

Hello.

>Does anyone know if this is still commercially available?  I am having a
>hell of a time finding it.  Any help, opinions on the album etc. would be
>greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail me privately if you know a way I can
>obtain this also...

It's a masterpiece. Extremely different from what Otomo is doing now. Quite
similiar to Naked City, perhaps. Very good selection of compositions, and
some of the best musicians in the world. How can you go wrong?

You can order it here: http://www.rermegacorp.com/

Cheers.



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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:26:48 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NC at the KF

Hello.

>What do people think of the first Naked City Live?
>
>I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and extra
>Morricone track were pretty cool.  >Hope there are remaining live discs
>that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE.  I'd love to have that.

I always thought that EYE was far better than Patton. Allright, Patton was
better on the "Super Stupid" cover, since it demanded almost "singing" but
for freaking out, which most of the vocals were, EYE was far supiriour.

I hope there will be live CDs with vocals, though. I think they once played
"Leng T'che" with two vocalists, either Eye and Kevin Sharp, or Kevin Sharp
and Patton. Either way, it should be a blast.
Oh, of course, Zorn often did vocals as well, and he is a very underrated
screamer as well. In fact, he is one of the best.

Cheers.

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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:29:23 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked City live

Hello.

>I saw seven of these show. Guests on the concerts included Michael Stipe
>and
>maybe Arto L. (long time ago: memory fades...)

Michael Stipe?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

>There was also a lady who filmed all the concerts for a PBS documentary on
>KnitFacory. So there is some DVD-material out there.

Okay, lots flood the Tzadik mailbox....

Cheers.




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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:44:40 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pop Song

Have there been any writings seeking to find what makes a pop song
successful?  Looking into chords, rhythms, lyrical themes, etc.  It
seems that pop songs from yesteryear share similarities with modern day
pop songs. That could just be my own flawed observation.  Thanks.

Zach



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Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 03:05:01 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: MASADA "First Live 1993"

I thought this from the new arrivals list at Aquarius
Records would be of interest :

MASADA First Live 1993 (Tzadik) cd 16.98
Though an interesting and wonderful document of John
Zorn's Ornette Coleman inspired quartet -- fabulously
rendered by four of the most amazing performers in the
Downtown scene -- we think Tzadik have outdone
themselves with the obi strip comments this time
around: "How many times do you get the chance to hear
the initial meeting of a legendary band? This CD is
just that. A diamond in the rough. The absolutely
first time the original quartet Masada ever played the
music that has made them one of the most exciting
bands of modern Jewish music. It's all here -- the
fireworks, the telepathic communication -- the Masada
magic. Experience the same excitement the musicians
felt when they realized the possibilities this very
special evening at the old Knitting Factory back in
1993. It all started this night." Sounds like an
advert for a major theme park or Vegas attraction.
Despite these ridiculous self-applauding comments,
this is a fine record by one of the hardest working
and tastefully virtuosic jazz outfits of our time. And
why is it that Joey Baron is always so damn happy?
Maybe Tzadik should put out a video of just him
performing. That'd be sweet.

They have a point about the obi strip...




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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:43:12 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: the early gurus of electronic music

Interestingly, from page 10 of the May issue of The Wire:

"The Belgian Sub Rosa label is about to release the first instalment of a
planned seven volume series of double CDs covering the history of electronic
and noise music. 'An Anthology of Noise and Electronic Music Volume 1'
includes pieces from Luigi and Antonio Russolo, John Cage, Walter Ruttmann,
Pierre Schaeffer, Iannis Xenakis, Gordon Mumma, Nam June Paik, Pauline
Oliveros, Konrad Boehmer, Sonic Youth, Ryoji Ikeda, Survival Research
Laboratories, Einsturzende Neubauten and many, many more. Roughly half of
the material featured in the series has been previously unissued."

On the same page, another interesting series is noted:

"The American Thirsty Ear label is instigating a small series of
collaborative 'man meets machine' CDs. In the pipeline are records featuring
Anti-Pop Consortium vs. Matthew Shipp; DJ Spooky with Shipp, William Parker,
Guillermo Brown and Joe McPhee; and Spring Heel Jack with Derek Bailey, Han
Bennink, Kenny Wheeler and Jason Pierce from Spiritualized."

Finally, there's a great big article on cover boy John Oswald, an Invisible
Jukebox with El-P (formerly of Company Flow) in which he admits to being a
King Crimson fan (!), and a huge review in the back running down most of the
recent Derek Bailey issues and reissues. Great job, Rob.

Steve Smith
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:47:26 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: NC at the KF

Think I might have heard about that Eye/Sharp "Leng T'che" as well. When I
heard "Leng T'che" in September '93, I *think* it was just with Eye. Kevin
Sharp did, however, join Pain Killer on another evening during that month,
so I might well be remembering incorrectly about the Naked City gig... maybe
Sharp was there, too.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik)

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Arthur Gadney
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:27 PM

I always thought that EYE was far better than Patton. Allright, Patton was
better on the "Super Stupid" cover, since it demanded almost "singing" but
for freaking out, which most of the vocals were, EYE was far supiriour.

I hope there will be live CDs with vocals, though. I think they once played
"Leng T'che" with two vocalists, either Eye and Kevin Sharp, or Kevin Sharp
and Patton. Either way, it should be a blast.
Oh, of course, Zorn often did vocals as well, and he is a very underrated
screamer as well. In fact, he is one of the best.
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