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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #820
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Zorn List Digest Friday, March 15 2002 Volume 03 : Number 820
In this issue:
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Fwd: Fred Records
Re: ernest dawkins
Re: More metal
Captain Beefheart
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: aesop quartet (was Re: ernest dawkins)
Re: aesop quartet (was Re: ernest dawkins)
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: Magma
Re: More metal
happy birthday to...
throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
Ground-Zero live video?
Re: More metal
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: Captain Beefheart
Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
Gamelan (NZC)
Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:27:58 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Fred Records
Hi,
Talking about FF, his two new releases are already
out, Maybe Monday on W&W and "Freedom in Fragments" on
Tzadik. I already made my reservation but if anyone
heard this and thinks I must cancel them... (which is
unlikely).
Thanks in advance.
Best,
Efrin del Valle
>
> ReR (www.rermegacorp.com/news/fredRecords.shtml)
> made an announcement about
> the release schedule of the long awaited Fred
> records:
>
> Release Schedule:
> Early Spring 2002
> Gravity
> Accidental (Music for Dance Volume 3)
>
> Summer 2002
> Guitar Solos
> Step Across the Border
> Prints (collection of songs and fragments)
>
> Fall 2002
> Middle of the Moment
> Keep the Dog Live (double CD)
> Speechless
>
> Spring 2003
> Helter Skelter
> Skeleton Crew/Learn to Talk & Country of Blinds
> Cheap at Half the Price
>
> Fall 2003
> Portraits d'Inconnus (versions of the
> installation from 1994)
> Massacre/Killing Time
> Propaganda (complete version)
>
>
> Accidental (Music for Dance Volume 3) should be out
> in february - anyone
> heard it?
>
> Andreas
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:55:35 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: ernest dawkins
on 02.03.14 10:46 AM, Kurt Gottschalk at ecstasymule@hotmail.com wrote:
> so rick, you saw kahil, ernest, joe bowie *and* ari brown? that musta been
> hot. when they played the knit, joe wasn't there (although billy bang sat in
> for a cut or two).
No-- it was Kahil, with just the two horns of Brown and Dawkins.
It was a very beautiful evening.
yup,
rl
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP;
D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL;
WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag...
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:03:56 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: More metal
At 10:14 AM 3/14/02 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>great music, probably the closest to Naked
>City that I've heard in a metal band, but the vocals are pretty
>annoying.
You mean, as opposed to Yamantaka Eye's (sorry, couldn't resist...)
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:42:23 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Captain Beefheart
I would like some recommendations on Capt Beefheart albums to check out
both as good starting places and personal favorites. Thanks in advance.
Zach
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:05:08 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
>I would like some recommendations on Capt Beefheart albums to check out
>both as good starting places and personal favorites. Thanks in advance.
I remember years ago reading about Beefheart and thinking he sounded fairly
interesting but since he was a buddy of Zappa decided he couldn't be too
good. But then Beefheart played on Saturday Night Live (those were the
days, eh?) and I was blown away. My roommate screamed to turn that junk
off but it was my TV so Beefheart stayed. The next morning I went out and
bought Doc at the Radar Station so that's always had a sentimental
attachment but my personal favorite is probably Shiny Beast (Bat Chain
Puller). Of course the "masterpiece" is Trout Mask Replica which nobody on
this list should pass up but to be honest I pretty much think all of
Beefheart's albums are good (yes even the "pop" Bluejeans & Moonbeams and
Unconditionally Guaranteed though they certainly should be heard last out
of everything). There's a Rhino double-CD career overview that looks
pretty decent.
Lang
- -----------------------------
Freedom Is Free Form
WFMU http://wfmu.org
Fund Drive March 4 to 17
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:32:19 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
on 3/14/02 7:05 PM, Lang Thompson at wlt4@mindspring.com wrote:
>> I would like some recommendations on Capt Beefheart albums to check out
>> both as good starting places and personal favorites. Thanks in advance.
>
TROUT MASK is everyone's fav, but I prefer the follow-up, LICK MY DECALS OFF
BABY, because the band is playing together intensely.
SAFE AS MILK is really great, too, although maybe not outski enough for
some, and ICE CREAM FOR CROW is about as formidable a late-period record as
anyone ever made.
skip h
- -
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:17:17 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
Safe as Milk. Great tunes, great voice, and great playing. His
'masterpieces' leaves me cold, and I know so many who like 'the
masterpiece' but for personal reasons I think 'Safe as Milk' is as
good as music can be.
- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:43:51 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: Re: aesop quartet (was Re: ernest dawkins)
In a message dated 03.14.02 15.52.51, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes:
>Uh, okay, what is "backup slam-music"
music which does and would back up slam poetry... sorry, i realise after
re-reading my sentence that it's beyond unclear in my typing... go figure.
love,
k8.
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- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:11:08 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: aesop quartet (was Re: ernest dawkins)
there┤s a label website with some mp3 samples:
www.8th-harmonic-breakdown.com/index.shtml
I haven┤t heard this project so far but will trying to get hold of this
item.
Andreas
np: Cinematic Orchestra - Motion
>In a message dated 03.14.02 11.01.53, seawes@allmusic.com writes:
>
> >I don't know how easy this will be to find, but there's a project called
> >the Aesop Quartet consisting of Dawkins, Rollo Radford on bass (Sun Ra,
>Corky
> >Seigel(?!)), Jeff Parker on guitar (Tortoise etc) and Hamid Drake on
>drums.
> >Some Chicago poet does some spoken word on a track, and DJ Rob Swift
>plays
> >turntable on a track as well. it's on the 8th Harmonic Breakdown label,
> >and i thought it was pretty cool.
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:22:55 +0100
From: "Bernie hotmail" <berniecc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
As a Captain Beffheart fan, I'd recommend you almost all his albums except
"Bluejeans & moonbeans", "Unconditionally guaranteed" & "Ice cream for
Crow".
So the list of my recommendations is the following:
Official Albums
==========
DOC AT THE RADAR STATION
LICK MY DECALS OFF, BABY
MIRROR MAN (2 bonus tracks on CD)
SAFE AS MILK (6 bonus tracks on CD)
SHINY BEAST (BAT CHAIN PULLER)
STRICTLY PERSONAL
THE SPOTLIGHT KID / CLEAR SPOT
TROUT MASK REPLICA
Bootlegs & compilations
=================
CAPTAIN HOOK
I MAY BE HUNGRY BUT I SURE AIN'T WEIRD
IF YOU GOT EARS
THE EARLY YEARS 1959 1969
Bernie.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:42 AM
Subject: Captain Beefheart
> I would like some recommendations on Capt Beefheart albums to check out
> both as good starting places and personal favorites. Thanks in advance.
>
> Zach
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:53:08 +0100
From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com
Subject: Re: Magma
> Do a lot of people on this list listen to Magma or other Zeuhl related
> bands? If not, might I recommend getting a hold of the Magma albums 'Udu
> Wudu' ,'1001 Degres Centigrades' and 'K=F6hntark=F6sz'
Surely Kohntarkosz is one of the more outre prog-rock albums of the 1970s,
and comes heavily recommended. When I was at Disk Union in Tokyo, there was
a virtual Magma deification taking place, with Magma discs and parafernalia
on display all over the prog-rock department.
There seems to be a huge interest in prog-rock in Japan, whereas most people
in Europe (at least the self-proclaimed "avant-gardists") either loathe the
genre, or will only admit to liking Yes and King Crimson as a kind of guilty
pleasure.
> As far as other related bands to check out obviously The Ruins and Happy
> Family. Also, the new Flying Luttenbachers album ('Infection and Decline')
> has a cover of 'De Futura' on it that is really amazing.
Ruins are amazing, but Tatsuya Yoshida has various other projects that are
even more Magma-influenced. Most prominent amongst these are Koenjihyakkei aka
Hundred Sights of Koenji (check out their amazing self-titled debut, which is
by far the best of their three releases so far), and Tairikuotoko vs. Sanmyakuonna,
whose "Viva Young Florida" album also comes highly recommended (if you can still
find it). It is silly at times, but when it grows on you it turns out to be an
excellent album.
I recently saw Ruins in The Hague at their sole concert in Holland before a crowd
of 60, and they were absolutely mind-bogglingly excellent. The musicianship is at a
level I have rarely seen before, yet the music has a complete punk feel to it at
times.
Are there any people on this list who are into the kind of prog-rock as evidenced
by Nordic bands like Anglagard, Anekdoten, and Morte Macabre (their ill-titled
"Symphonic Holocaust" album is my favorite soundtrack cover album of all time -
yes, folks, I like it better than Fantomas's "The Director's Cut"; only listen
to THEIR version of "Rosemary's Baby" to hear why).
Frankco
np: Cannibal Ox "The Cold Vein" (a-ma-zing)
nr: The Strugatsky Brothers "Roadside Picnic"
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:29:27 +0100
From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.nl>
Subject: Re: More metal
> annoying. Are there any great, I mean really great, instrumental
> metal bands? I love Meshuggah, Morbid Angel, etc., but find I listen
> around the "cookie monster" vocals. I'm aware of stuff like Blind
> Idiot God, Don Caballero and the whole math-rock scene, and various
> other stuff, but what about true, ultra complex, ultra heavy metal?
> I'd love an instrumental remix of "chaosphere", for example.
Great complex metal with vocals, although unlike cookiemonster, is for
instance Spiral Architect, in my opinion one of the most innovative bands
around. In terms of complexity it's in the vein of Meshuggah and Watchtower.
Ron Jarzombek, Watchtower's guitarist, also has a soloproject named Spastic
Ink.: quite similar to Watchtower, although with more melody.
Another band worth mentioning is Aghora, a post-Cynic project. Their music
is a mixture of deathmetal and progressive rock with female vocals. Another
post-Cynic project, this time without vocals, is Gordian Knot. The music is
by Sean Malone, Cynic's bassplayer.
Jeroen
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- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:45:57 -0500
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: happy birthday to...
Cecil Taylor, today March 15th. The official year is somewhat debatable,
but one source I have states he'd be 69. But who knows really...
It would also be Lightnin' Hopkins birthday, and Ry Cooder's.
Bruno
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:25:09 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
In a message dated 03.15.02 05.29.59, jeroen@cyberslag.nl writes:
>I'm aware of stuff like Blind
>> Idiot God, Don Caballero and the whole math-rock scene,
hey people,
as resident hipster-record store-employee in st. louis, i really feel that i
need a decent definition of what 'math rock' is. satan forbid that there be
any more stupid classifications within rock... post-rock, alt-rock, anything
ending in -core, blah blah blah... but this is one i really want to know the
freakin' meaning of.
thanks.
love,
k8.
- ---
[.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.]
k a t e p e t e r s o n
c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html
http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable)
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:55:12 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
At 9:25 AM -0500 3/15/02, UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote:
>as resident hipster-record store-employee in st. louis, i really feel that i
>need a decent definition of what 'math rock' is.
Lots of unusual time signatures requiring that the whole band keep
count of where they are. (Otherwise the whole "band changes gears on
a dime" effect is lost.) While I guess you could imagine
twee-math-rock or something, it usually tends toward the heavier
side, showing those 70s prog roots.
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:22:44 -0500
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ground-Zero live video?
I was looking around in the Japan Improv website and stumbled upon the
following information in an Otomo Yoshihide discography:
Ground Zero. Last Concert. Videocassette. Valve/Amoebic, AMO-VA-02, not yet
released.
Does anyone here know of any plans for this to be eventually released, or is
this just some old idea that was tossed around but was forgotten and will
never acutally happen?
Thanks,
Bruno
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:01:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: More metal
>Blind Idiot God
Not bad. Everything I've heard by them is "alright".
>Don Caballero
I like 'em alot. Good drummer, and he knows it...
>Watchtower.
FUCKING HELL! I can't believe Watchtower has been
brought up on the Zorn list! Ha Ha.
Incidentally, I don't mind Confessor.
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:04:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
Contary to popular opinion, my favourite album is
"Strictly Personal".
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:19:26 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
As a Captain Beffheart fan, I'd recommend you almost all his
albums except
"Bluejeans & moonbeans", "Unconditionally guaranteed" & "Ice cream
for
Crow".
Do not miss Ice Cream For Crow. Otherwise agreed.
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:25:47 -0500
From: David Beardsley <db@biink.com>
Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
> As a Captain Beffheart fan, I'd recommend you almost all his
> albums except
> "Bluejeans & moonbeans", "Unconditionally guaranteed" & "Ice cream
> for
> Crow".
>
> Do not miss Ice Cream For Crow. Otherwise agreed.
ICFC is a great album. One of his best.
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
- -
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:04:54 -0800 (PST)
From: nme <nearixson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
Also, you spend a lot of time figuring out Least Common Multiples when the piece is being written.
I have no idea where the line between math and prog is drawn, but it seems that math-rock is used
to describe prog-rock made by and 'indie' band.
- -nathan
- --- Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com> wrote:
> At 9:25 AM -0500 3/15/02, UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote:
> >as resident hipster-record store-employee in st. louis, i really feel that i
> >need a decent definition of what 'math rock' is.
>
> Lots of unusual time signatures requiring that the whole band keep
> count of where they are. (Otherwise the whole "band changes gears on
> a dime" effect is lost.) While I guess you could imagine
> twee-math-rock or something, it usually tends toward the heavier
> side, showing those 70s prog roots.
> --
> Maurice Rickard
> http://mauricerickard.com/
>
> -
>
=====
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Are you hoping for a contact?" -GbV
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:12:56 -0800 (PST)
From: nme <nearixson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Gamelan (NZC)
I know someone was looking for Gamelan music recently.
Cdbaby.com has a cd by the Schubert Club's (St Paul, MN) Gamelan ensemble. You can listen before
you buy at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/schubertclub .
- -nathan
=====
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Are you hoping for a contact?" -GbV
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:13:30 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: throw me a word problem. (was Re: More metal)
At 9:04 AM -0800 3/15/02, nme wrote:
>I have no idea where the line between math and prog is drawn, but it
>seems that math-rock is used
>to describe prog-rock made by and 'indie' band.
That seems fair enough. And math-rock tends to be instrumental, as
opposed to having the D&D imagery of prog.
Now, of course, I'm kind of intrigued by the twee-math-rock concept...
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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