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Zorn List Digest       Monday, February 11 2002       Volume 03 : Number 773



In this issue:
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       Re: Miles ("On the corner") off list
       Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY/ JAZZIZ
       Re: nordine?
       Re: take the coltrane
       RE: sex muzik.
       RE: Carter Scholz's RADIANCE
       Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY/ JAZZIZ
       SexMuzik
       NZ: Carter Scholz's RADIANCE
       piazzolla.
       Odp: Sex Music (Most of you don't know how to fuck!)
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?=28My_Recap=29:_Britney=2C_Glenn_Gould=2C_Bj=F6rk?=
       Previte
       Re: sex muzik - jazziz
       Re: Sex Music
       Re: Doublemoon (was: Burhan Ocal and Jamaaladeen Tacuma)
       Bill Frisell/Brian Blade - Alas No Axis.
       Absinthe trip suggestion...

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:38:19 -0800
From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles ("On the corner") off list

skip heller

> Is that David Creamer?
> I always wondered what happened to him.

He teaches and gigs occasionally in Northerm CA, last I heard.

skip h


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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:40:05 -0800
From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY/ JAZZIZ

skip heller

> This seems to be a recurring theme in a LOT of entertainers and performers of
> borderline-popular music.

Perhaps.  maybe that's why it's generally a disappointment when folks like
that do a "serious" recording of some some.

skip h


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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:41:59 -0800
From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: nordine?

skip heller

>
> Or rather.....I hate Nordine within the current cultural context, i.e., it's
> "cool" to like "funny" and "kitschy" stuff like "Colors."

Actually, COLORS was commercials for a paint store.

And as for my "cred", call it what you will, but Ken is one hell of a nice
guy and a creative thinker, and you tend to defend people like that.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:03:20 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: take the coltrane

>From: Fred Heller <[e-mail]>

> > I always felt Led Zeppelin had a great producer and guitar player in
>Jimmy
> > Page.
>
>I felt they had a great kick drum in Bonham, but nothing else.  Plant is a
>very polite fella, tho.

They also had a great knack for plagarism (Whole Lotta Love from Willie
Dixon, When The Levee Breaks from Memphis Minnie, Dazed and Confused from
Jake Holmes, Lemon Song from Robert Johnson, Black Mountain Side from Bert
Jansch, Stairway intro from Spirit, etc., etc.)

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:04:19 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: sex muzik.

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Seconded; though I'd rather choose Astor's "La Camorra" (Nonesuch). A =
masterpiece.

Just my 2 pesos argentinos...

Hugo Linares
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  Yeah, but if you use the real thing - Astor's own recording 'Tango: =
Zero
  Hour' - you don't even need the wine and candles.

  Steve Smith
  [e-mail]

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  gidon kremer - homage a piazzolla.  this album, a little red wine, =
candles,
  you're gonna get laid.


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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:26:18 -0500
From: "josephneff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Carter Scholz's RADIANCE

Hello,
     ...actually, the Scribner's Paperback Fiction issue of the Gaddis novel
"A Frolic of His Own" has a small b&w snapshot of the man, looking quite
suave. Indeed, none of his other paperback's include pics. He's easily one
of the most blindingly brilliant prose writers that I've ever encountered.
Hell, this bit from "The Recognitions" made me shake my head in disbelief
and pure admiration:

    "science assures us that it is getting nearer to the solution of life, what
life IS, that is ("the ultimate mystery"), and offers anonymously
promulgated submicroscopic chemistry in eager substantiation. But no one has
even begun to explain what happened at the dirt track in Langhorne,
Pennsylvania about twenty years ago, when Jimmy Concannon's car threw a
wheel, and in a crowd of eleven thousand, it killed his mother."

    The Scholz looks promising.

    I remain...

    Joseph

    NP: Erica Pomerance- "You Used To Think" CD
    NR: John Barth- "Lost in the Funhouse"

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of s~Z
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:08 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NZ: Carter Scholz's RADIANCE


>From the Gaddis-list:


"Members of this list might be interested in the new(first?) novel
by Carter Scholz, RADIANCE, just published by Picador USA. It's
very much in the vein of Gaddis/DeLillo/Pynchon/McElroy/Powers.
The dialogue is especially Gaddisian, (snip)
(And like Gaddis's novels, there's no photo of the author.)"




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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:27:32 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY/ JAZZIZ

Fred Heller([e-mail])@Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 07:40:05PM -0800:
> Perhaps.  maybe that's why it's generally a disappointment when folks like
> that do a "serious" recording of some some.

actually i think it's the sign of a great artist if he or she can cross over
well and actually have a "serious" recording gain the same kind of respect and
admiration that the "pop" one does. it probably depends heavily on the styles
in question.

m


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Date: Sun Feb 10 23:42:00 2002
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SexMuzik

ididn't guess we were talking about partners...    that changes EVERYTHING.

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:42:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: NZ: Carter Scholz's RADIANCE

This is definitely not a first novel.  SCholz published something in an Ace
sci-fi series that appeared in the wake of the first cyber-punk sci-fi.  Taht
was back in the middle 1980s.  I was impressed enough with it that I still
remember his name,  but more than that.....

jb


 "Members of this list might be interested in the new(first?) novel
 by Carter Scholz, RADIANCE, just published by Picador USA.  >>

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:11:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: piazzolla.

i pick the gidon kremer recording(s) over piazzolla's own, simply because i
think that gidon kremer's violin playing is perfectly dirty and
sexy/beautiful at the same time, and i love the arrangements on his CDs.
maybe the one exception i would make is the live disc, "adios nonino", which
completely rules.


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[ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

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(roundtable)

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:51:12 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Sex Music (Most of you don't know how to fuck!)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Schuller <[e-mail]>

> Damn, what the hell kind of sex are some of you having? Filmworks????

Give Filmworks II a try, and have fun ;-)


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:38:13 -0500
From: "Lev \"Ljova\" Zhurbin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=28My_Recap=29:_Britney=2C_Glenn_Gould=2C_Bj=F6rk?=

Hi Y'all,

Happy New-Year!

I've been busy, but I saved all the Bj÷rk-related digests and just read
through them.

Patrice Roussel said:
>Britney Spears is at the top in a category with a lot of contenders and
very
>few elected. She does not do everything (like unloading the trucks, tune
the
>guitars, write the songs, etc), but the big boss at Ford does not put all
the
>screws on every car that leaves the plant... You see what I mean: she is
the
>top of the iceberg of a very popular act, the equivalent of a heavy
industry.
>Judging her with the criteria that you apply to experimental/improv/etc
does
>not make any sense. She is in a different league. You might not like what
she
>does, but to be where she is, she definitely have something.

You should hear her song "Slave 4 U". Sure, the lyrics suck.
But aside from that, the song has no harmony, no tonality.
And there's lots of "subliminal" overdubbed whispering.
What's not avant about it? I think "they tried".

I feel great pity for Britney. her contract probably says "we take 99%, you
keep 1%. It'll be more than your family ever made."
why else would someone make a girl from Louisiana famous, if she didn't even
win the Mickey Mouse club?
Surely there could've been better answers to the Aguilera motion than
plain-jane Britney.
I think Britney was cheaper than alternatives.



Skip H mused:
>Glenn Gould once said that it would be interesting to see what happened if
>musicians were completely annonymous and had no concept of who was
listening
>to them, why, or how much it sold.  Then, he opined, the artist would have
>to rely solely on his own artistic judgement.

You can (sort of) do that at Garageband.com


My thoughts re Bj÷rk:
A few days ago I had the corrupt pleasure of downloading the
first track from Bj÷rk's 1977 album (Bj÷rk was 12 years old), as well as her
short multi-flute composition, "Gl÷ra".
The track from 1977 is pure cheesy-pop, the flute composition is very
touching and though it tries to use complex chords, it's actually quite
simple (and once again, very touching).

So -- a cheezy-pop record at 12 years old, a classical flute piece, a jazz
album ("Gling-Glo"), Kukl, Sugarcubes, and solo Bjork.  There's also a
one-minute clip of Bj÷rk singing "Pierrot Lunaire", floating about the 'net.
(I've not been able to verify that this is INDEED Bj÷rk singing, so let's
say "attributed to".)  She's done a lot of diverse stuff over her
30-something years as a human.

Watching her New York concerts during the tour in October, I noticed a
simple trend -- most fans were comparatively complacent when she performed
songs from "Vespertine", but they cheered loudly when she did songs from
"Homogenic" and earlier albums.  It was a strange phenomenon -- seeing all
live musicians on stage, and audience barely reacting, then cut to some
early techno track with only Bjork onstage and soundtrack coming from the
speakers, and the crowd went wild. Silly people.

In November 2001, Bjork mentioned something about a New tour in 2002, this
time without orchestra, here:
http://www.bjork.com/grapewire/?id=182&year=2001#news


I like her work. It's passionate, scholarly and courageous. It's
exploratory, and for all the diversity of collaborators, very personal.

(Let's hope her Elektra contract runs out soon, and she can join the
Tzadikim).

Warmest,

Ljova

- --------
Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
http://Ljova.com/

"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
        -Miles Davis


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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:47:44 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Previte

>Um - quite a few of you have been singing the praises of Bobby Previte
>lately (justifiably so) but no one responded to my enquiry about his new
Bump
>the Renaisance release...has no one out there in Zorn land heard it yet?

I have the privilege of holding the first copy of this album, which I've
bought from Previte himself during his BTR tour in Istanbul.

I see it as a not to be missed album and one of the best albums Previte had
released. It rocks and swings big time. Their live performance was great
also.

Cheers,
Umit.




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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:45:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: sex muzik - jazziz

In the new JAZZIZ, (the one with Diana Krall on the cover.... trying to look
extra sexy to sell more records...)    Flip to the next to the last page.
Theres a really funny article by a writer named Michelle Mercer, in which she
talks all about how jazz music is really sexually stimulating.... then at the
end, she mentions a specific gig she saw a couple of years ago at the
Internet Cafe in NYC, a duet between William parker and Ellery Eskelin.   She
goes on about how it was a hot August night, the tension was building, people
were pulling icecubes from their drinks and rubbing them on their necks, so
on and so forth.  The music was just sooooo sexy.  Then they all went outside
and had a smoke.  I was AT that gig !  For some reason i wasnt picking up on
that vibe ..... but thats not surprising.  I also have a recording of that
gig.  Now i know what i'm going to play next time I have a lady over.  Who
wants to place bets on whether or not i score.

- -Jody

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:58:18 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sex Music

on 11/2/02 3:34 AM, Zorn List Digest at
[e-mail] wrote:

> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:57:09 -0600
> From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: sex music... well, sorta
>
> It's not necessarily 'sex music', per se, but my wife and I had our first
> dance
> in our wedding to Bill Frisell's rendition of Have a Little Faith in Me.
>
> m

At the risk of sounding unbearably schmaltzy, the first day my partner and I
got together we happened to buy the 12 inch single version of Sun Ra
"Nuclear War". That night we danced many times to be the B side "Sometimes
I'm Happy". We both still love that record.

The Coltrane album that first made me "get" his music (and like a bolt from
the blue) was "Sun Ship". I know its not seen as one of the great earth
shaking Coltrane albums but it has always remained one of my favourites.

During the Jazz is Dead debate I couldn't help thinking of Derek Bailey's
excellent book "Improvisation". It's probably been discussed before on the
List. If not let me say that I think it was last updated in the early 90's
but still remains bang on the button today. It covers all the aspects of
Jazz/Improv development from the beginnings through to the kind of stuff
that Derek is involved with. It has a good objective viewpoint. And, by the
way, includes an interview with Zorn in which he discusses quite carefully
what is going on in Cobra and how he is fascinated by the way different
musicians behave.  (Frisell was not a motivator or troublemaker he just sat
back, let others do the decision making 'and played his ass off'). Highly
recommended to all those in the debate.

Richard Gardner


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Date:
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Doublemoon (was: Burhan Ocal and Jamaaladeen Tacuma)

### "Groove alla Turca" by Burhan Ocal and Jamaaladeen Tacuma ###

* Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]> wrote:

>That's out on Doublemoon Records:
>http://www.doublemoon.com.tr/eng/home_eng.htm
>http://www.doublemoon.com.tr/eng/catalogue/catalouge.htm
>Amazon sells some of his other releases but not this one

Right, so does anyone know where one can get the Doublemoon catalog
OUTSIDE of ordering from Turkey?  I have a few titles that I've been
lucky to find, and have seen _a few_ as imports in North American
stores, but nothing else.  The artwork for the the Birds & Blues
(UK?) issue of "Groove alla Turca" that seems to be everywhere is
horrendous, so I wouldn't mind the original ...

Thanks


- -Patrick




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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:28:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bill Frisell/Brian Blade - Alas No Axis.

    There was a date last year that included Brian
Blade sitting in the Bill Frisell Trio...  I've heard
one of the recordings for the some "big shoe" and I'm
looking to get more of the tunes they played...  Does
anyone have the other tunes they could send me via
e-mail?  Thanks in advance...

- -Theo

    Due date for the new Alaxnoaxis (Jim Black) album
is May 7th for North America...  I hear it's March for Europe...

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:46:29 +0100
From: Alban Jacques <[e-mail]>
Subject: Absinthe trip suggestion...

Hi,
this week end, i was listening the great album of naked city
Absinthe, it was really wonderful, an amazing dream for me... If you
have not listened this album for a longtime. Try again and travel in
this beautiful absinthe world...
A

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