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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:10:43 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: threadgill
>he's really a composer that's more rewarding the more you listen. march
rhythms,
>hidden duets, repeated triplets ... there's a lot of components that he
uses
>in different ways.
great comment Kurt. Too much Sugar really revealed that the first time I
listened on headphones. Listening that way made it easier for me to pick
out each players' part, rather than hearing the entire mass of music. it
also demonstrated that everyone is really playing a composed part, it's not
just a blowing session.
sean
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:27:50 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: threadgill
my favorite Threadgill disc, although it's long out of print, is Air Lore on
Novus. the trio with the great Steve McCall deconstructing New Orleans
standards like Buddy Bolden's Blues, very impressive. I have most of his
discs as a leader, which I usually find not as exciting as I'd hoped. if
anyone's desperately looking for any of the out of print ones, e-mail me
privately and we can probably work something out.
on a separate note, the new ones may very well be good (I liked the first
track on Up Popped...), but damn, is the packaging ugly.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:29:08 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: threadgill
Wow, Henry Threadgill is one of my favorite composers, I love the way he
ties all the elements of his groups together and pairs them up or puts them
into other little subgroups playing off of each other. I think it can take
several listens to really sort of break through the density of some of the
bands. That said "nuff nuff" is sort of an embryonic version of VVC and I
think that band really shines on "carry the day" and "too much sugar" in
particular. I love his dirges, marches and blues tunes as well. I'd say
check out either of the 2 above or some of the sextet LPs on novus or about
time before giving up.
Rob
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:18:24 EST
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: threadgill
I actually really like the quirky cover art for 'Everybodys Mouth's a Book.' It's fun and very different than most else out there. Well, to each his own...
jeff
JonAbbey2@aol.com writes:
> on a separate note, the new ones may very well be good (I liked the first
> track on Up Popped...), but damn, is the packaging ugly.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:55:42 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: threadgill
After hearing all of Threadgill's post-Air recordings, the most surprising
thing about seeing Make A Move the first time was HOW thoroughly composed it
is. Even after several years in the band, Brandon Ross was staring holes in
the music.
James Hale
Sean Westergaard wrote:
> great comment Kurt. Too much Sugar really revealed that the first time I
> listened on headphones. Listening that way made it easier for me to pick
> out each players' part, rather than hearing the entire mass of music. it
> also demonstrated that everyone is really playing a composed part, it's not
> just a blowing session.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:59:25 -0800
From: mwisckol@ocregister.com
Subject: crispell, threadgill
I recommend Crispell's "nothing ever was, anyway ... the music of annette
peacock" (ECM) for starters, with motion and peacock. absolutely gorgeous,
fully formed music that reveals nuances of both peacock's and crispell's
personalities. a little gentler than crispell's more CTish work, but very
potent.... for a more fully improvised, spontaneous beauty, more intense,
try the "GAIA"....
as for very very circus, i found the sound of "spirit" difficult for my
ears to swallow, but i was lured in more by the subsequent discs. and then
live, even more seductive. ... the sound of tubas and electric guitars
together is challenging, i think both to capture, and to hear, but HT
created a rich, dramatic soundscape unlike anybody. haunting and perky at
the same time, playful and dangerous. if you find nothing there for you to
gnaw on, you're certainly not alone, judging from how short-lived his stint
was with columbia.... for me, his sextett albums -- especially the ones on
about time -- remain my favorite, although the new "up jumped the two lips"
has been getting plenty of play around mi casa -- and was on my top 10
2002....
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:03:11 -0400
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: at victoriaville
In addition to the other artists that have already been mentioned,
I'm fairly certain that Merzbow will be coming again this year
to Victoriaville. So that's
1.Merzbow
2.Satoki Fuji Duo
3.Rene Lussier/Eugene Chadborne Duo
DId I forget anything that's already been mentioned and does anyone know of
anyone else that's coming?
wudz.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:15:40 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: at victoriaville
In a message dated 1/18/02 2:04:41 PM, mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca writes:
<< DId I forget anything that's already been mentioned and does anyone know
of
anyone else that's coming? >>
Polwechsel will be there also, as will a large-band Keith Tippett project.
there are attempts being made to bring the Tippett project to NYC also, and
Polwechsel will not be playing NYC around that time, as I had been trying to
arrange. I never understand why Michel Levasseur likes to keep the lineup
secret as long as possible, but I guess he has his reasons.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:51:40 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <ecstasymule@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: threadgill
a few years ago, i asked brandon (who was also in vvcircus, so he's been
playing with the man for over a decade) how much of the music was composed
and how much was improvised. he furrowed his brow, looked down for a moment,
looked back at me and smiled and said "it's not really like that."
kg
>After hearing all of Threadgill's post-Air recordings, the most surprising
>thing about seeing Make A Move the first time was HOW thoroughly composed
>it
>is. Even after several years in the band, Brandon Ross was staring holes in
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:59:13 -0500
From: "Dave Smey" <dsmey@mindspring.com>
Subject: re: Threadgill
I'll just continue to "vote" for the most accessible Threadgill's -- Too
Much Sugar and Carry the Day, IMO. Like some on the list I bought Too Much
Sugar based on his HT's reputation and was at first mystified and annoyed,
but man did it grow on me eventually.
After those 2, move on to Makin' a Move or Song Out of My Trees for a few
very interesting chamber pieces.
I must say I miss the Very Very Circus. The new, smaller groups just aren't
as fun.
- -D
np: Magnetic Fields, 69 Love Songs
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:15:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: ibarra quartet personel (maybe)
to whomever it was that has a gift of seeing crispell and ibarra double
bill, when I saw ibarra last april in minneapolis (aside: still looking
for a recording of that show), it was a trio w/ jennifer choi on violin
and the ubiquitous (and native minneapolean) craig taborn on keys. great
music - i think i posted a mini-review on the list at the time.
cheers,
whit
np - the beach boys, today!
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:55:10 -0800 (PST)
From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Zorn List Change? (PLEASE READ)
I've been asked by the kind folks at xmission.com
(hosts of the zorn-list for the last few years)
if we would like to use the new mailing list
software (Mailman) that they have installed.
It appears that this new list software will
make it much easier for y'all to subscribe,
unsubscribe, go on vacation and browse the
archives. Additionally, there are a
bunch of benefits to ease list administration
and bounce management (making my life much
easier...theoretically).
However, I'd like to solicit opinions on
the change before making the move.
The potential issues and areas I'd
like comments on are:
1. Subscribers will only be able to sign
up for regular OR digest emails, NOT BOTH.
This affects 4 out of 700 subscribers,
is this a problem for you folks?
2. Subscribing and unsubscribing will
be done via a web broswer combined with
an emailed confirmation. Is this okay?
3. Your subscription will be protected with
a password, eliminating the possibility of
malicious unsubscriptions (ohhhh, how mean!).
The downside is you have another goddamn
password in your life (though you can have
Mailman email you the password if you
forget it, and this is key, without
my intervention!).
4. The new list archives will be available
via the web rather than with the
current clunky ftp interface. If we
make the archives public, then web crawlers
like google.com will index the archives
making them searchable. If people don't
want this, I can configure the list to
have private archives which precludes
the ability to search them easily.
Comments?
5. Mailman MAY have problems if you are
using Netscape Navigator 4.71 running
on Linux. Is anyone using this email
reader/OS combination?
6. Sadly, Mailman doesn't have the ability
to strip out HTML from incoming messages
(my dream feature!).
If you'd like to see the web interface for
other xmission mailing lists, go to
http://mailman.xmission.com
Click on the "Police" to see what their
archives look like...they can be sorted
by date, subject, thread, and author.
Feel free to discuss this on the zorn-list
or email me privately, whatever you are
most comfortable with.
thanks,
mike rizzi
top-wanker-for-the-zorn-list-wanker-list
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:03:40 -0600
From: "Samuel Quentin" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Coltrane Live In Seattle
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<P> i must say the free period coltrane sounds nice in it's moments touched with stravinsky. </P>
<P> it's the opinion of nisenson and also a friend of mine that this concert is not a particularly strong one. i was curious about other people's opinions.</P>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:34:01 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: Zorn List Change? (PLEASE READ)
At 15:55 18/01/02 -0800, you wrote:
>6. Sadly, Mailman doesn't have the ability
> to strip out HTML from incoming messages
> (my dream feature!).
This SUCKS.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:00:18 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: Zorn List Change? (PLEASE READ)
Sorry my previous wasn't exactly tactful, but it was spontaneous. I was
choking on a pretzel while sending the message.
I would like to elaborate a little bit, and throw in a couple of random
ideas and considerations.
First thing, I'm all for any change that makes the life of our moderator
easier.
Secondly, would the change finally allow to start the messages subject with
"[zorn-list]", or something to that effect?
- - I do know that it is possible to set up filters in most email clients, to
direct the incoming mail in various folders. I am on about 20,000
mailing-lists so I receive a lot of email every day. I don't always check
my email from the same computer. Having a list-specific subject would
somehow make it easier for me.
About your remark that there is no way to strip html code from emails
before they are distributed (in this current version of Mailman).
There are many inconveniences to html email, as you know, especially as it
is now virtually impossible to turn off completely that feature in most
current email clients (eudora, etc, and I pity the forced users of
microsoft outlook for whom it is even much worse).
Anyway, html email means messages two to three times bigger in file size
than plain text emails. It means also that images and pieces of code can be
embedded in the message. (People will be able to start personalizing their
emails with little flowers, hearts, images, ... music files, etc.)
I would prefer not...
The most obvious and recent example of the harmful effects of code embedded
in emails is the infamous, bad, "badtrans" virus.
A really quick search on the Mailman mailing-list reveals that this has
been discussed before and that "third-party" solutions to remove MIME from
