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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #645
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Zorn List Digest Monday, December 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 645
In this issue:
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Re: Sonny Sharrock/Last Exit
Re: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP
RE: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP
New Directions From Tzadik
Re: New Directions From Tzadik
Re: New Directions From Tzadik
Odp: New Directions From Tzadik
Odp: Sonny Sharrock
Odp: Sonny Sharrock
Open, Coma
Re: New Directions From Tzadik
Vietnam and China: audioturism [NZC]
Review: Fushitsusha - Origin's Hesitation
Re: Review: Fushitsusha - Origin's Hesitation
Re: Sonny Sharrock/Last Exit
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:26:34
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sonny Sharrock/Last Exit
>I never saw Last Exit live and I'm sure this could make a difference, >so I
>can imagine why someone might be scratching their head about why >Laswell
>would produce Iron Path the way he did, but I think it's one
>of the best. Didn't Lester Bangs or somebody call it one of the >greatest
>heavy metal records ever? :~)
Well, it couldn't have been Lester Bangs b/c he was dead several years
before then. Maybe it was that guy Chuck Eddy who did that snide 500 Best
Metal Albums book or whatever it was called. But Iron Path? Heavy??? He
(whoever it was) would have to deaf ...
Speaking of heavy, crazy, noisy, wall-of-sound, losing-your-mind sort of
stuff, if you are into that and the group Wolf Eyes comes to your town, do
not miss them. I saw them last night (third time this week, they are on tour
from Michigan and in California now) and it was absolutely amazing. Not that
they sound like Last Exit or anything, but some of the overall spirit is the
same (I'm speaking of the first Lat Exit album, that is -- not Iron Path!).
WY
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:21:46 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 05:08:51PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> Moving backward, pick up a disc by Last Exit, the punk-free jazz supergroup
> that also included Peter Brotzmann, Laswell and Ronald Shannon Jackson. The
> studio disc 'Iron Path' is to be avoided by all but the utmost Laswell fan
> (and those who own all the other discs), but aside from that, it's hard to
> go wrong.
Really? That's the one I enjoy most, though perhaps the most
conventional-sounding recording.
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:02:59 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP
>Avoid at all costs (like you'd even find a copy) 'Bird of Paradise,'
This is rare? (Title is just "Paradise.") I picked up a used copy a few
years ago for two or three bucks and think I've seen more around. You're
right about it being bad, though: I listed to the first side once and
couldn't do any more....
LT
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:14:27 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: New Directions From Tzadik
responding to a thread from about a month ago:
i'd love to see tzadik begin an archival reissue program centering on zorn's
work in japan during the 80s. top contenders would include zorn's
performances with masayuki takayangi, yuji takahashi, and keiji haino along
with john's ensemble works "pandora's box," "ruan ling yu," and "five
hundred statues."
a 3" cd single of zorn's "blue of noon" would also be a very welcome
reissue.
- - rdf
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:09:39 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: New Directions From Tzadik
Revue des Fossiles wrote:
i'd love to see tzadik begin an archival reissue program centering on zorn's
work in japan during the 80s.
- ------------------------------
I guess there's always someone saying 'give me more, tell me more'. I am
wrestling myself through the Parachute Years lately (1977-1980), and I feel
a Japanese box set could be a cool follow-up. I had never heard the old
Parachute vinyl, and I am completely unaware of the 80s Japanese records, so
I am very curious.
On the other hand: boxes like ParachuteYears are extremely expensive, you
don't easily buy two of those babies. So to be curious for another cool
project, is a different thing than to actually buy it;-)
Regards, Remco Takken
np: another piece of archival stuff (found second hand): Miles & Gil's
complete recordings: Miles Ahead, the reconstructed stereo mix.
nr: Cook & Morton's jazz guide (3rd edition)
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:29:37 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New Directions From Tzadik
> responding to a thread from about a month ago:
>
> i'd love to see tzadik begin an archival reissue program centering on zorn's
> work in japan during the 80s. top contenders would include zorn's
> performances with masayuki takayangi, yuji takahashi, and keiji haino along
> with john's ensemble works "pandora's box," "ruan ling yu," and "five
> hundred statues."
>
> a 3" cd single of zorn's "blue of noon" would also be a very welcome
> reissue.
>
> - rdf
What's "Blue At Noon"?
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:29:03 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: New Directions From Tzadik
> On the other hand: boxes like ParachuteYears are extremely expensive, you
> don't easily buy two of those babies. So to be curious for another cool
> project, is a different thing than to actually buy it;-)
I've just bought a second hand copy, and I paid about 50 USD for the whole
thing. Got a vinyl playter the same day, and a frith 'live in Japan' d 2LP
deluxe edition. :-))))
> np: another piece of archival stuff (found second hand): Miles & Gil's
> complete recordings: Miles Ahead, the reconstructed stereo mix.
>
we all love all that second hand stuff don't we? I wonder who could sell
such stuff. I mean, if someone actually buys a parachutre years box, he pays
a lot for it. Doesn't he know what he buys? To the point of selling in mint
condition, unused - and if I paid 50 bucks for it, he got at most 30 bucks
from the 2hand dealer for the box. I also got a davis-trane box for the
same cash.
> nr: Cook & Morton's jazz guide (3rd edition)
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:34:56 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Sonny Sharrock
BTW, a box of 'tribute to JJ' sessions is supposed to be release in near
future. Does anyone has any info about that?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: William York <william_york@hotmail.com>
> I also read in a great, very in-depth interview with Sharrock in Guitar
> Player magazine (!) from like 1990 that he is on Miles Davis' 'Tribute to
> Jack Johnson' towards the end of the second track, and listening to it
that
> makes sense. Apolgies if this is common knowledge, but he is uncredited on
> that album ...
- -
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:34:56 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Sonny Sharrock
BTW, a box of 'tribute to JJ' sessions is supposed to be release in near
future. Does anyone has any info about that?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: William York <william_york@hotmail.com>
> I also read in a great, very in-depth interview with Sharrock in Guitar
> Player magazine (!) from like 1990 that he is on Miles Davis' 'Tribute to
> Jack Johnson' towards the end of the second track, and listening to it
that
> makes sense. Apolgies if this is common knowledge, but he is uncredited on
> that album ...
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:11:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig Matsumoto <ctm@sonic.net>
Subject: Open, Coma
Just got Tim Berne's "Open, Coma" in the mail yesterday - woo hoo!
Haven't been able to listen to the whole thing yet, unfortunately, but the
first track, the title track, is awesome: tight ensemble passages,
well-meshed open-improv passages, great sound fidelity (warning: i have no
ear for sound fidelity and may be wrong on this last part).
Lots of 12/8 meter in the first track too -- very nice piece. "The Legend
of P-1" is on here, too - can't wait to give that a listen.
Very elegant packaging, too.
Not much else to say so far -- I just wanted to brag that i was the first
on my block to get one. :)
- -- Craig Matsumoto
Jazz Director, KZSU-FM (Stanford University)
jazz@kzsu.stanford.edu
KZSU - 90.1 FM
P.O. Box 20510
Stanford, Calif. 94309
(+1) 650-623-4839
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:34:59 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Directions From Tzadik
Skip Heller Wrote:
<<What's "Blue At Noon"?>>
094 - WHAT ELSE DO YOU DO ? A Compilation of Quiet Music
This record features songs by Pale Face, Dean Wareham, Bongwater, Dogbowl,
Suzie Unger, Daniel Johnston, David Keener, Tuli Kupferberg, Christian
Marclay & Catherine Jauniaux, Azalia Snail, King Missile, Mr. Elk & Mr.
Seal, Men & Volts, The Tinklers, Fred Lane, The Hat Brothers, Rebby Sharp,
False Prophets, Tamela Glenn, Daved Hild, Lida Husik, Kramer, John Zorn.
23/ Blue Of Noon (Zorn)
1:05
No recording information
Wayne Horvitz: keyboards; David Hofstra: bass; Carol Emanuel: harp; Jim
Staley: trombone; Robert Previte: drums; Anthony Coleman; organ; David
Weinstein: keyboards.
1990 - Shimmy Disc, SDE 9021 (CD)
199? - Shimmy Disc (USA), SHM5034 (CD)
Note: (23) is only available on the CD pressings.
its a beautiful piece of music. i don't know if zorn wanted to develop this
idea further or if this is his final statement regarding the novel by
bataille. whatever the case, the version here is a real winner.
Remco Takken Wrote:
<<I guess there's always someone saying 'give me more, tell me more'. I am
wrestling myself through the Parachute Years lately (1977-1980), and I feel
a Japanese box set could be a cool follow-up. I had never heard the old
Parachute vinyl, and I am completely unaware of the 80s Japanese records, so
I am very curious.>>
given the sheer number of performances that zorn was involved with inside of
japan which have never even seen official release, i think a comprehensive
boxset is definitely out ot the question. something not out of the question
would be starting up another "tzadik series" and releasing these recordings
slowly to avoid market saturation and consumer confusion.
while on the topic of the parachute box set, i've always wondered why "duo,"
"school," "2000 statues," and "there'll be no tears tonight." weren't
included. is there some kind of bad blood between chadbourne and zorn, or
is this stuff slated for a "parachute years box two set" sometime in the
future?
- - rdf.
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:41:44 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Vietnam and China: audioturism [NZC]
Hi, i'm still catching up with a lot of digest posts and don't
know if anyone already mentioned this:
"Vietnam and China", an eight track CD resulting from the
recollection between June 2000 and May 2001 of sounds in Vietnam and
China. These were them "processed" and "compiled" (sampled?) providing an
interesting way to make audioturism. besides the good music, the booklet
brings amazing photos and a map of where these where taken (in China and
Vietnam) along with audio samples location. last page brings a table
depicting the several instruments and the songs in which they were used.
Being very interested in sounds that i usually associate with asia
(in a traditional or non traditional context [and by the way, does the
concept "shamisen rockabilly" brings anything to your mind? got a weird
dream last night with such kind of band...]), i found this record very
interesting, associating the sounds in a electro atmosphere (more as a
suport, felt in the sampling technic and beat) without loosing their
nature.
(ouh yes, the disc is issued by Quatermass but the link they
provide in the booklet (http://www.quatermass.net) takes one to Sub Rosa
were the disc is not listed...)
greets,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:15:22 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: Review: Fushitsusha - Origin's Hesitation
Artist: Fushitsusha
Title: Origin's Hesitation
Label: PSF
Catalog #: PSFD 8010
Release Date: November 25, 2001
By my reckoning, "Origin's Hesitation" is the fifteenth Fushitsusha album
released, and the eleventh in the past seven years. Many (but not all) of
these albums have been stylistically very similar to each other (not to
mention indistinguishable in terms of packaging). The notable exception to
date being "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (Avant, 1993). Without a shred
of marketing research analysis to substantiate my wild hypotheses, I
suspect that the power trio called Fushitsusha was the most inviting or
accessible or at least commercially successful of the various ensembles,
which feature Keiji Haino as the frontman. The plentiful releases by
Fushitsusha on Japanese, European, and North American labels, both
independent and major, capitalized on this popularity, to the exclusion of
the various other projects in which Haino was involved. Haino himself has
discussed the necessity of this in various interviews.
So we come to number fifteen. The current Fushitsusha release, Origin's
Hesitation, is the most drastic departure from the Fushitsusha norm to
date. Most noticeably, the power trio is (i) no longer a trio and (ii) no
longer powerful. There is no guitar whatsoever. The longtime Fushitsusha
member, Yasushi Ozawa, plays bass on some tracks, but even when he does it
is a very muted bass. (To be perfectly honest, I have yet to listen to
this album on a superior sound system, so my missing the bass may be
exaggerated.) For the most part, this disc features Haino on drum kit and
voice. A drum kit and voice (even Haino's voice) are not able to match the
deafening intensity of Haino's electric guitar on previous Fushitsusha
releases. The sound is sparse and absent of melody; even Ozawa's bass is
at best erratic.
This disc is most similar to the second, percussion cd released as "Abandon
all words at a stroke, so that prayer can come spilling out" (Alien 8
Recordings, 2001), which one might note is a Haino solo release. The last
track of "Origin's Hesitation" is somewhat like Haino's other voice and
percussion album "Tenshi no Gijinka" (Tzadik, 1995) because "Tenshi no
Gijinka" was a very contemplative and moody album. Several of the tracks
contains obvious multi-layering (at least triple layering) of Haino's voice.
My suspicion is that this record will receive a great panning. Or,
perhaps, only a minor panning as the audience interested in Fushitsusha has
(it appears) dwindled over the past several years. Those characteristics
that defined Fushitsusha as Fushitsusha are almost entirely absent.
Presumably, Haino would disagree or he wouldn't have called it a
Fushitsusha album. There may be some common thread between this album and
the denser Fushitsusha efforts, but, if that link exists, it is a tenuous
and subtle one at best, difficult to recognize with the ear alone.
On the other hand, one might want to cheer on this new development in
Fushitsusha. Haino is, after all, the captain of his own ship. It is not
as if this new direction is anything but Haino exploring new territory.
Perhaps, this release signals a renewed intent to focus on Haino's
ensembles outside the rock idiom. That would be a welcome change. There
are numerous recent performances traveling along the bootleg circuit that
are simply staggering, showing sides of Haino not documented in any
official releases. Shows in the late nineties with Ayuo Takahashi (who has
released solo albums on Tzadik and PSF) really stand out. Or, shows with
koto (Michiyo Yagi, solo cd on Tzadik) or with noh flute (Isso Yukihiro),
where Haino creates a kind of new folk music, much as he has done with the
hurdy gurdy, are begging to be given the careful recording and mastering
attention due an official release.
I suppose we will have to wait and see. Right now, we are left with
"Origin's Hesitation", which, it must be clear now after having read this
review, I can make neither heads nor tails of.
David K.
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:06:56 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Review: Fushitsusha - Origin's Hesitation
"origin's hesitation" is a return to form for fushitsusha - the guitar trio
format probably being on overdocumented deviation. if tamio shiraishi or
yuji takahashi were on this album i'd almost be under the impression that
keiji haino had decided to go "retro."
thanks for the review.
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:13:51 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Sonny Sharrock/Last Exit
A bit more on Sharrock/Exit;
The Much-maligned "Paradise" was on Atco. It was produced by
Ilhan Mimaroglu(!), engineered by Phil Ramone(!), and is indeed
populated by Fuzak-hack studio musicians....though 1953 Blue Boogie
Children and Peaceful come off fairly well. Hey, the front cover pic
of Linda is gorgeous, even though the music aint. ;-) Interestingly,
the live band Sonny worked with at the time featured David Gross, and
Steve Jordan(!). After Paradise, Atlantic let its option lapse, and
paid Sonny to sit home and NOT record
The original poster seemed to like the Marzette LP, so should
probably check out Don Cherry's Eternal Rhythm, Byard Lancasters "Its
Not Up To Us, and of course "Black Woman". Someday someone will
release the tapes of the 68 Berlin Jazz Fest which feature Sonny in a
variety of different settings, including a no-holds-barred duet with
Sunny Murray. (wishful thinking, I know)
There have been reissues of most of the Herbie Mann discs
Sonny played on, "Stone Flute", "Live at The Whisky", and Concerto
Grosso are all worth a listen.
The first Exit LP, as good as it is, is a bit of a fraud.
It's a live album, but it was razor edited, and in at least one case,
they overdubbed different parts of the concert onto each other to
create what you hear on the record.
Most Exit performances consisted of very long Improvisations, after
the tours, they would listen back and slice the improvs into "Songs"
, The titles being a source for much amusement, (Believe me when I
say You dont want to know what Needles=Balls really means) As Steve
pointed out, Cassette Recordings 87, is a great disc, mostly for the
uninterrupted tour de force "Line Of Fire" from the North Sea Jazz
Fest.
I really like Iron Path, but it has nothing to do with the
live Exit. I hear it as more of a laswell disc. According to Sonny,
they originally attempted to do a live-in -the-studio band recording,
which was abandoned, then Iron Path was built up as a typical Laswell
Studio disc.......And dont let anyone tell you that "Detonator" isn't
heavy! that, and the fuzz and reverb drowned Laswell/Brotzman duet
from Iron Path frequently rattle the walls at my house.
I'm particulaly fond of the early Enemy releases ;-) just
stay away from "Live in NY" , IMO its worse than Paradise, just a
live tape from the knits archives, most Sharrock boots are better.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned F.Robert Lloyd's "Think
About Brooklyn" an uneven disc that has some really nice rock/melodic
work from Sonny, and forshadows the direction he was going in when he
passed.
It was Chuck Eddy who made the "greatest heavy Metal album"
comment, though Christgau has made similar comparisons. Lester Bangs
did write a piece for Musician(!) around 1980 that drew lines from
free-jazz to punk/noise rock
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