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Zorn List Digest      Tuesday, December 11 2001      Volume 03 : Number 639



In this issue:
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       Masada Song Book
       Re:  Rockers
       Re: Farmers
       Re: List Identity N░2/jazz record mart
       Jazzin' Politics
       New Music for guitars in RealAudio
       Roger, Wilco...
       Re: Roger, Wilco...
       RE: Roger, Wilco...
       Minus
       black compositions
       RE: Zorn with WDR orchestra - Dec 14-15
       Re: black compositions
       DVD region2 question
       Good Idea for Mr Zorn's compositions...
       Re: black compositions
       Fwd: Re: black compositions
       Re: Fwd: Re: black compositions
       Non-JZ FS: Drumm/Rainey + Alboth!, Le Syndicat etc.
       looking for someone who lives in the UK (off topic)
       NYC concert reminder: John Butcher/Phil Durrant tonight

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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:17:54 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Song Book

Does anyone know what has happened to the proposed Masada Songbook. I have
worked my way through some of my favourites but I would really like to see
scores for the whole lot .

Richard Gardner


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:25:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Novak <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Rockers

>  These status seekers are very good for the market,
>so maybe we should =
>leave them be. Perhaps you'll discover a good metal
>album or two in the =
>process.

Because only the metalhead rockers are Zorn
status-seekers?  Give me a break.  And the
status-seekers just become the identity seekers we
have here.  :~)


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:39:49 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Farmers

For those of you who are annoyed that every topic discussed on
this list is not to your liking, there are some great online study
courses designed to help the suggestible lister develop what are
known in the trade as "Scan & Delete Skills." Such skills enable
the trained lister to quickly separate the wheat from the chaff,
as well as the sheep from the goats, while requiring no annoyance
of, nor demands on, the ongoing life of the farm.


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:13:08 -0600
From: "Ben Axelrad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List Identity N░2/jazz record mart

Their used section is great (if a bit pricey).  A few weeks ago I picked up
the Braxton Willisau box set, Brotzmann's "Little Birds Have Fast Hearts 1",
and the Comforts of Madness disc with F Hautzinger.  And they've always got
some rare hats and For4Ears discs in there.


>From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
>On a zorn-inspired topic, and taking a page from Redbird, my wife and I
>just spent a wonderful weekend in Chicago, where we picked up the Feldman
>String Quartet recording on Hat (the Jazz Record Mart is a dangerous place
>-- I got Flutter *and* Anode in the used bin), and she *offered* to put the
>quartet on continuous repeat for a whole weekend.  Doesn't get much better
>than this...
>
>Looking forward to everyone's best-of-2001 lists.


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:55:21 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jazzin' Politics

Unfortunately it's not on the magazine's Web site, but the December
17, 2001 issue of the Nation has a pretty good article by Gene
Santoro that touches on the history of politics in improvised music
in the US through reviewing the recent Don Byron & Dave Douglas CDs.

Subscription copies of the issue are out, & it's on newsstands in
Fort Worth right now, so it may be available throughout the US,
otherwise many (again, US) libraries carry the magazine.

For the many people on the list who aren't in the US, I'm not sure
what kind of distribution this magazine (which is primarily a
left-ish political magazine, with intermittently interesting and/or
relevant coverage of music, film and visual arts) gets outside of the
States.


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:39 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Music for guitars in RealAudio

Hi y'all,

This week on Mappings <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/>,
you'll hear music by Acoustic Guitar Trio (Alex Cline, Jim McAuley,
Rod Poole), Arthur Bull & Daniel He=EFkalo, Loren Mazzacane Connors,
Mario Davidovsky, Nick Didkofsky, Judy Dunaway, David First, Fred
=46rith, Phil Kline, Ren=E9 Lussier, Carolyn Master, Steve Reich, Terry
Riley, Roger Smith, and Davey Williams.

The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0600 GMT) and
will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program,
featuring electro-acoustic music by Maggi Payne is still available in
the Mappings archive
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index1.htm>, where you
can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998.

Hope you tune in to the program.

Bests,

Herb


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:41:56 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Roger, Wilco...

'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot,' the fourth album by alt-country band Wilco which was
rejected by former label Warner Bros, is now set for release in April on
Nonesuch, it was reported in Billboard Bulletins daily news service a few
days ago.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:57:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Roger, Wilco...

In a message dated 12/10/01 10:43:42 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot,' the fourth album by alt-country band Wilco which
was

rejected by former label Warner Bros, is now set for release in April on

Nonesuch, it was reported in Billboard Bulletins daily news service a few

days ago. >>

I don't pay much attention to the label shuffle these days, but the last I
heard Nonesuch was a division of Warner. is that no longer the case?

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:22:35 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Roger, Wilco...

Nonesuch is more or less an independent label distributed and marketed by
Atlantic Records, which is indeed part of the AOL Time Warner conglomerate.
The label is afforded almost complete autonomy, bought through sound fiscal
practice - in essence, selling hundreds of thousands of copies of discs by
the Gypsy Kings and Buena Vista Social Club to underwrite their less
commercial offerings, whether it be Richard Goode playing Mozart, Gidon
Kremer playing Piazzolla, Bill Frisell playing Frisell or simply offbeat pop
acts like Sam Philips, Emmylou Harris and even, it appears, Wilco. This is
the way that the aesthetically concerned and ethical record company has been
believed to act throughout the history of the business, using commerce to
underwrite art (and in Nonesuch's case, uniquely, even their "bestsellers"
could hardly be construed as sell-outs).

Atlantic, on the other hand, is another story altogether. Despite the
presumed successes of their pop division, reportedly they've completely
gutted the jazz division (lately called "Division One") again, with more
"commercial" acts like James Carter and Cyrus Chestnut (not to mention,
obviously their smooth jaz acts) reassigned to the Warner Jazz roster where
they join the likes of Pat Metheny, Brad Mehldau and Joshua Redman. Artists
like Olu Dara and Marc Ribot, the story continues, are now once more outside
looking in. (That last part is unconfirmed but comes from trustworthy
sources.)

At least 'Saints' came out before Ribot was dropped.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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I don't pay much attention to the label shuffle these days, but the last I
heard Nonesuch was a division of Warner. is that no longer the case?


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:45:41 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Minus

Clipped verbatim from the King Crimson newsletter Elephant Talk, for reasons
that will become evident... well, okay, for the new kids on the block, Dave
Trenkel is a LLOOONNNGGG time Zornlister (and did not in any way induce me
to post this). Thought this might appeal to the closet proggies out there.

I am resplendent in divergence,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]

===

Greetings ETers.  I'd like to call your attention to a band I think would
appeal to many who enjoy KC and similar music.

They're called Minus and are from Oregon; bassist/ keyboardist Dave Trenkel
and guitarist Mark France are well known in this part of the state for their
involvement with many jazz, experimental, and "progressive" projects, and
drummer Henry Franzoni was a founding member of Portland's Caveman Shoestore
(which once collaborated w/ Hugh Hopper--but that's another story).  All 3
are extremely talented players.

 Minus is all-instrumental and shares with KC a penchant for dark, heavy
textures and fleet-fingered excursions in odd time signatures.  The first,
self-titled CD is 100% improvised and has more of an industrial/ dark
ambient feel to it (lots of menacing atmospheric stuff); the newest "Dark
Lit" features more composed material and covers a range of styles from
crushing riff-heavy prog metal to dub to quasi-funk/ fusion. Though more
structured than the earlier pure improvs, the tunes are by no means static:
it's not unusual for a 5-minute piece to evolve through several changes of
tempo, dynamics, and texture.

Their CDs are carried by Wayside record distributors, or can be ordered
directly from their label, New & Improv Music.  Email is [e-mail] .


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:31:08 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: black compositions

I've just been admiring Jim Black's composition work on the Pachora releases
(and of course his own AlasNoAxis), and was wondering whether there are any
other recorded examples of his composition?


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:10:08 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Zorn with WDR orchestra - Dec 14-15

you┤re right, Steve. Some months ago there was an entry on
www.wdr.de/radio/orchester/sinfonieorchester/konzerte/index.html concerning
this composition but disappearing meanwhile. It still remains for the
US-tour (obviously false)...

I┤m compiling a concert list for Germany (mostly Rhein-Main area) and some
more distant festivals and someone forwarded this to the z-list. Apology for
this misinformation.

Andreas

PS: if someone is interested in receiving this concert list, drop me a
line...

>From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
>
>Stranger still - I remember reading somewhere... wasn't it here, in fact,
>in
>Ljova's or Jeni Dahmus's recap of the Zorn talk at Miller?... that Zorn's
>Double Piano Concerto had been cancelled outright because Katia and
>Marielle
>LaBecque were meddling too much. I know it's no longer on the WDR
>Orchestra's American tour program...


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:01:31 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: black compositions

Hi,


> I've just been admiring Jim Black's composition work on the Pachora
releases
> (and of course his own AlasNoAxis), and was wondering whether there are
any
> other recorded examples of his composition?

As far as I know, those are Black's only recorded compositions under his own
name. Maybe he also contributed as a composer to other bands in which he's
participated, like Human Feel, but I don't think so.
However, I really think he's much better a drummer than a composer, although
there are tastes for everyone. Many people enjoyed AlasNoAxis, while I found
it very disperse (at least their live performance in BCN). You should be
looking forward to their next release through Winter & Winter soon.

All the best,

EfrΘn del Valle
n.p: Charlie Haden "Liberation Music Orchestra" (Impulse!)




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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:11:04 +0100 (MET)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <[e-mail]>
Subject: DVD region2 question

I have been looking for DVDs lately but couldnt find many of
interest, apart from the Mingus "unleashing the underdog" and another
one that contained among others a ~20 min part of the Coltrane quartet.

Does anyone have an idea about what stuff on free/impro jazz exists
in Europe? I couldn't find the Sun Ra DVD that was mentioned on the list
recently.

Any help is appreciated

manolis


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:37:08 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Good Idea for Mr Zorn's compositions...

have you ever thought about a 5 star tenors composition featuring:

Mike patton
Yamatsuka eye
Blixa Bargeld (from Einsturzende Neubauten)
Masonna
The singer from Residents

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:03:16 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: black compositions

Don't get me wrong, I see him as a drummer first and foremost and would rank
him as one of the most amazing and sensitive drummers (and musicians)
around. I was just impressed by his compositions, more on the Pachora stuff
than AlasNoAxis. While Speed writes some really good stuff, the few Black
compositions are real standouts for me on those albums...

> However, I really think he's much better a drummer than a composer,
although
> there are tastes for everyone. Many people enjoyed AlasNoAxis, while I
found
> it very disperse (at least their live performance in BCN). You should be
> looking forward to their next release through Winter & Winter soon.


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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:57:49 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: black compositions

Hi again,


> Don't get me wrong, I see him as a drummer first and
> foremost and would rank
> him as one of the most amazing and sensitive
> drummers (and musicians)
> around. I was just impressed by his compositions,
> more on the Pachora stuff
> than AlasNoAxis.

Glad to see we're on the same page regarding Black. I
also have those impressions on his playing and
consider him one of the most inventive drummers in the
scene right now, specially among the youngest sector.
I was also really surprised by Michael Sarin in the
Witness performance in BCN. I'd heard him with Thomas
Chapin but he's definitely a "live man" in my opinion.
I found some sort of connection between Sarin and
Black which I hadn't noticed before seeing both on
stage.

While Speed writes some really good
> stuff, the few Black
> compositions are real standouts for me on those
> albums...

Unfortunately, I can't totally agree with you on that.
I think Speed is a good composer when it comes to
Balkans/klezmer-oriented stuff but not when he tries
to write jazz. He's a bit stiffy, IMHO.

Just an opinion.

Best,

EfrΘn del Valle

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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:05:25 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: black compositions

A counter point...

The other speed/black project, Yeah No, I think a great example of
speed's compositional and group leading skills. The most recent record,
emit, touches on the balkans but also gets into a hard angular jazz.
There is one track in specific, #4 I believe, that is a downtempo tune
that starts out with just skuli and black, coung's tone coming into
that song give me the chills.

So what about coung vu as a composer vs. player?

Any news on the new alasnoaxis w&w release [ssmith??]

> Unfortunately, I can't totally agree with you on that.
> I think Speed is a good composer when it comes to
> Balkans/klezmer-oriented stuff but not when he tries
> to write jazz. He's a bit stiffy, IMHO.
>


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Date:
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Non-JZ FS: Drumm/Rainey + Alboth!, Le Syndicat etc.

Hi all,

Brand new/mint copy of the following that I must part with ...
$14 US air mail POSTAGE PAID in North America/$20 US ppd overseas

# Kevin Drumm/Bhob Rainey - "Hasn't (1-5)/6 Standing Desert" ITA LP
  (Fringes: fringes07) 2000  [Drumm uses guitar, synth & laptop to crea=
te
  a nice electroacoustic piece.  It builds from silence using mid-to-hi=
gh
  frequency drones, lots of hiss, and wonderful concr=E8te sounds.  Rai=
ney
  (nmperign) delivers 3 soprano sax cuts: a pleasant mix of skronk, dro=
nes
  and true "micro" sound (using his breath & air).  Ltd. 500 on clear v=
inyl.
  Both sleeve & labels feature b/w photos by Renato Rinaldi.]

Also of possible interest ...
* US$ POSTAGE PAID * in North America (more for overseas)

$20 -- Alboth! - "Liebefeld" GER CD (PDCD: cdppp112) 1992
       [Brilliant sophomore album from this Swiss quartet.  Produced
       by Kevin Martin (God, Ice, Techno Animal).  Feat. Alex Buess
       (16-17), Werner L=FCdi, and Hans Koch.  Deleted.]
$26 -- Carl Stone - "Em:t 1196" UK CD (T:me/Em:t) 1996
$19 -- Le Syndicat - "Ignitur" HOL LP (Staalplaat: sp003) 1992
       [Intense neoclassical, percussive, loop-based musique brut from
       1988-1989.  Limited & numbered (435/1000).  Mint.  Deleted.]
$18 -- Monde Bruits - "Selected Noise Works 93-94" JAP/US CD (Endorphin=
e
       Factory/Charnel: edp-009) 1994  [Excellent harsh noise work.
       Mixed and mastered by Akifumi Nakajima (Aube).]

- -Patrick
[e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:38:02 +0100
From: "Verstraeten Stefan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: looking for someone who lives in the UK (off topic)

Hello,
sorry for this of list message, but I need the help from someone who lives
in the UK.
I want to place an order on a website (Harrods) that unfortunately does not
deliver in the UK.
So if someone -living in the uk- wants to help me with this, please reply me
off list.

Thanks in advance,
Stefan Verstraeten

[e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:41:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: NYC concert reminder: John Butcher/Phil Durrant tonight

just a quick reminder that John Butcher and Phil Durrant bring their
electromanipulation/live processing duo to NYC tonight, to kick off the
Experimental Intermedia festival. it's at 224 Centre St., near Lafayette, a
few blocks above Canal, 3rd floor, 9 PM, $5.

around 8:30, I plan to debut my MIMEO/Tilbury CD (released next March) over
Phill's awesome system, and following the show, there will be free champagne.
how's that for maximizing your entertainment dollar?

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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