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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #542
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, August 23 2001 Volume 03 : Number 542
In this issue:
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Re: groundbreaking
Re: summer reading
Off-topic metal post and Anthony Braxton info, all in one
Re: Fwd: Zorn & ?Zionism?
Re: late Coltrane
re: summer reading
AMM & more (no Zorn)
Re: writing about music is like...
Re: Anthony Braxton comedy
Re: summer reading
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:03:28 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: groundbreaking
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Actually, wasn't the band that contained Wes in the early 60's, like 1961?
Didn't I read somewhere that one live version of the band was the classic
quartet, plus Dolphy AND Wes Montgomery?
Wes sat in a few times. Trane invited him to join the band. he said no and
went onto greener pastures. By greener, I mean the color of money.
Another Tangent: Do tapes exist of the same quintet plus Joe Henderson, a
configuration that's been reported before?
Not so far, and I have LOOKED!!
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:06:19 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: summer reading
"Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> A bit more complex, and sometimes a bit gory for my tastes, were Maurice G.
> Dantec's Racines du mal
Is this in English yet? I can only find an Italian copy online ...
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"I mean, you realise that Throbbing Gristle could have been
as successful as the Nolan Sisters if they'd understood
structure and procedure."
-- Kim Fowley
np:
nr: R.A. Lafferty, _Apocalypses_
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 06:30:39
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Off-topic metal post and Anthony Braxton info, all in one
>Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com
>NP - Witchery, ""Resurrection," 'Dead, Hot and Ready' (Necropolis)
>(which I'd nominate as a potential Spinal Tap of death metal, if >Dimmu
>Borgir didn't have such a tight hold on that honor...)
Six Feet Under? Witchery? Dimmu Borgir? Are you going through and listening
to everything on that giant "Metallinium" (sp) tour roster? And did you PAY
for all this? Hopefully you at least wound up w/ one of the Soilent Green
CDs too ...
Actaully, I might nominate someone like Krisiun (who are amazing, just also
kind of funny since they are so gung-ho and over the top) as the Spinal Tap
of DM. Or that Necrophagist CD that Aquarius Recs has been big on, for
anyone who follows that kind of stuff. Although death metal (and black
metal, which is, or at least was, more Dimmu Borgir's territory) is full of
Spinal Taps (minus the "sexy" stuff), which of course is part of what makes
it great, at least sometimes.
Speaking of Aquarius, I passed on the reviews of that Anthony Braxton/Alex
Horwitz CD that were circlated here a while back to them, and they have now
have a review of it on their site (www.aquariusrecords.org/) that is pretty
funny, looking at from a different perspective than the norm, I guess:
"BRAXTON, ANTHONY W/ ALEX HORWITZ Four Compositions (Duets) 2000 (CIMP) cd
16.98
Imagine Neil Hamburger backed up by a drunk Albert Ayler. Imagine the worst
comedian you've ever seen competing for your attention with an avant jazz
musician in the same room. Imagine a 10 minute comedy sketch based on the
assumption that DVD stands for digital -versatile- disc ("I mean, I imagine
the DVD wearing a dress and singing a song or painting a picture" or
something like that) all to the strains of atonal horns.
I mean, we're well aware that there's a healthy chunk of Aquarius
customers that scan our lists specifically for things we describe as
'fucked' or 'ridiculous' or 'bizarre' or even just 'stupid'. Well, you're in
for it now. You have been warned.
Anthony Braxton, much revered performer/composer/improviser, in yet
another incomprehensible collaborative epiphany, has finally teamed up
with...a stand up comedian.
It's true. And of course, it wouldn't be true improvisation if the comedian
weren't improvising as well, so what we're left with, is a series of skronks
and squeals, and a series of witty (read: fucking stupid) riffs on newspaper
headlines that are NOT FUNNY. REALLY NOT FUNNY.
I don't mean Neil Hamburger not funny, I mean plain old bad not
funny...unbearably painful. So painful in fact that our own Andee qualifies
this as a must own!!"
I really should buy this from them, but if anyone is dying to get this disc
off his/her hands, I might me able to help ...
WY
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:22:02 +0200 (MET DST)
From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Zorn & ?Zionism?
Robert A. Pleshar said much of what I would have but here=B4s a few personal
thoughts on the subject:
>Zorn's own Radical Jewish CUlture music is often about the Jewish
>experience, >but usually has almost nothing (overtly) to do with
>traditional Jewish music.
A lot of the tunes on various albums by various artists delve very deeply
into Jewish liturgy, cantorial sounds, klezmer and theatre music. A lot is
new - was e.g. Monk=B4s jazz less "Afro-American" because of its newness?
>Despite this, the players are exclusively Jewish
You know, they may even be in the minority....
>All of this without a mention of the crimes being done in the name of
>Judaism >as we speak.
? And these tragic events occurring the Middle East have what to do with
music gnerated almost entirely on the American east coast? Must e.g. all
Balkan musicians address the situation in the former Jugoslavia? (Moreover,
and strictly politically speaking, in _all_ inter-ethnic conflicts, there
are always at least four side - hawks and doves on both sides.)
>Besides, how can someone be the vanguard of a downtown/international
>Radical >music scene and also claim to be 'non-political.' A
>non-political, RADICAL >Jewish outlook is absurd. What does it mean?
You seem to think that "Jewish" is in someway identical with a political
entity or stance. The Jews living in Israel and those who support them or
are interested in the state are involved in its politics (and they stretch
across the entire political spectrum, like in any nation); the rest
(majority) of world Jewry comprise a religious, ethnic and/or cultural
group. Or some mix of all or some of the above.
Is it absurd to speak of "radical" culture? I would say the course which
arts and letters has taken over past hundred years or so shows clearly that
"radical" is not a strictly political term.
>How is Ahad Ha-am's "cultural Zionism" different from what we find in
>Israel's >government today? I'm not challenging this, I'd just like to
>know.
=46or one, cultural Zionism in strictly non-political and like Zorn, wished
to generate and (after the war) regenerate Jewish culture throughout the
Diaspora. I doubt the listers want a lecture on Ahad Ha-am=B4s thought, even
in capsule form, but I=B4d be glad to provide one to you off-list if you
wish.
Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:09:12 -0400
From: "Alan Lankin" <lankina@att.net>
Subject: Re: late Coltrane
And speaking of mid-Coltrane, Fantasy is releasing a 7-CD set of live
Coltrane from European concerts from 1961-63. Half the material is
unissued.
Alan Lankin
lankina@att.net
http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Sent: August 23, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: late Coltrane
> Apres nothing but likely to please more than a few, Impulse is marking
> Coltrane's 75th birthday this year. [...]
>
> Steve Smith
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:15:26 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: re: summer reading
Hello all...
Since I'm also addicted to reading, I too love the discussion of books
on this list.
Here are some of the books I've read recently and that I enjoyed very
much:
01. Irvine Welsh: Glue
I've been into Welsh ever since his first publication, and have read all
of them. I did enjoy his one from about two years ago, Filth, but most
of the people I know didn't.
Glue, I feel, is a step further in his development. It starts in the
60s, introducing four male characters, goes into the 70s, in which those
guys' sons take over the lead in the story, then they take us into the
80s, on into the 90s - when they are still around - but also some of
their younger brothers are introduced. The story sheds a light on how
life (in Britain) has changed over the course of those decades - very
interesting, and also very well written. Another thing I love about
Welsh is how some of the personas one knows from his previous novels
re-appear in his new books. So be prepared to meet Renton, Spud and
Begby again...
02. Eiji Yoshikawa: Taiko
Some might remember Yoshikawa's Musashi - often described as Japan's
"Gone With The Wind". Well - definitely his books are epic, and in both
Musashi and Taiko the main character is very heroic. I did enjoy reading
this very much, even though from around page 500 to page 700 I did
struggle a bit...
03. Jeroen Lamers: Japonius Tyrannus - The Japanese Warlord Oda Nobunaga
Reconsidered
Oda Nobunaga plays an important role in Yoshikawa's Taiko. This
publication here is the latest attempt of a biography on Nobunaga. Very
well researched.
04. Juzo Suzuki: Kuniyoshi - Exhibition To Commemorate The 200th
Anniversary...
05. Juzo Suzuki: Ukiyo-e Arts Spanning 20 Years
06. Timothy Clark: Ukiyo-e Paintings In The British Museum
For a while now I've been into Japanese woodblock prints, and the three
books here are very nice. (Not much reading, but lots of stuff to look
at...)
07. Ryunosuke Akutagawa: Rashomon & Other Stories
Read this shortly after seeing the film version by Kurosawa.
Entertaining.
08. Yasunari Kawabata: Palm-Of-The-Hand Stories (Short Stories)
Kawabata has been one of my favourites ever since I've read my first
book by him. Must admit though that I must be in the right mood for his
works, because they tend to make me feel a little depressed and/or
melancholic. This publication here is a collection of early short
stories, and I find them to be very good.
09. Haruki Murakami: Underground
This is not a novel by Murakami. It's based on interviews he did with
people who were affected by the Tokyo Underground gas attack. I didn't
get past the first 30 pages - way too depressing...
10. Haruki Murakami: Sputnik Sweetheart
Like others have said before: nice work by HM.
11. Haruki Murakami: Dance, Dance, Dance
Another enjoyable read by HM. Apart from Underground I have so far
enjoyed every single publication by him.
12. Toshio Saeki: The Early Works
Not exactly for the faint-hearted... ;-)
13. Takahiro Kitamura (Horitaka): Bushido - Legacies Of The Japanese
Tattoo
Well - I've been heavily into the art of tattooing for a few years now.
Traditional Japanese tattooing is considered to be the best there is out
there. And this book is about today's leading artist: Horiyoshi III from
Yokohama, written by one of his disciples - with lots of full-page
colour photographs. Breathtaking...
14. Samuel M. Steward: Bad Boys And Tough Tattoos
S. M. Steward was more widely known as Phil Sparrow, one of the
granddaddies of traditional American tattooing. No pix, just a
recollection of his life as a tattoo artist. I find the fact interesting
that Steward was a professor at a University before going into the
tattooing trade...
Already ordered, but not received yet:
Kobo Abe: The Box Man
Tao Tao Liu Sanders: Dragons, Gods & Spirits From Chinese Mythology
Don Ed Hardy: Tattooing The Invisible Man
patRice
np: New Order, True Faith
nr: Japan Tattoo Artist Horiyoshi's World, Vol. 2
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:15:41 -0400
From: "Alan Kayser" <alankayser@hotmail.com>
Subject: AMM & more (no Zorn)
Jon Abbey wrote:
"as most people here know, I'm always willing to discuss anything
AMM-related, so here goes:
Alan said:
<<Maybe it's just AMoreMellow AMM.>>
let's not go overboard. they've been fairly mellow for a while now, but
Tunes Without Measure and End is just not a very representative performance.
I saw AMM play seven shows in April, and probably six of them were better
than this CD. and the show they played in the Autumn Uprising festival in
Boston last fall was as good as any improv set I've ever seen. the problem
here isn't that the band is declining, it's in the material they chose to
release. since I'm fairly close to the situation, I'll just leave it at
that."
Thanks for your input Jon. Most of us are not so fortunate to be able to
attend so many (or any at all) AMM performances. I would not characterize
them as declining as individuals, quite the opposite as indicated in their
work apart from AMM. I suppose my expectations were high due to their
pre-release statements that this was one of their best performances EVER!
This is a 35 year history, and why they would select this one is a mystery
to me. It's not bad, it's just not very exciting, especially after a five
year wait since their last release. I suppose, too, that their three duo
projects with Evan Parker raised my hopes for their AMM project.
As an aside, Prevost's Matchless is a classy label. Very informative liner
notes, added new material, etc. But I do miss that snappy artwork. The new
stuff is pretty weak.
Thanks for the MIMEO input.
Alan E Kayser
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: writing about music is like...
Books:
Paul Bely's volume is a little self-agrandizing, but
what autobiography isn't? Bley has led a fascinating
musical life though, probably not as well planned as
he suggests in the book, however.
He does have good stories about his experiences with
Charlie Parker Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman et. al -- and
how many others (Canadians to boot) can say they
played with that many original folk.
Another book worth investigating is pianist Burton
Greene's bio (Cadence Books), Memoirs of a Musical
"Pesty Mystic". It too runs off the track a few times,
but also provides an insight into the life of another
pioneering free jazz pianist. And look out for the
pages of jokes at the end.
Ken Waxman
- --- mwisckol@ocregister.com wrote:
> anybody read and have any comment on:
>
> 2. Paul Bley (auto?) biography
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:48:50 -0400
From: "Ajda Snyder" <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton comedy
Hmmm...
>Imagine the worst comedian you've ever seen competing for your attention
>with an avant jazz musician in the same room. Anthony Braxton, much revered
> performer/composer/improviser, in yet another incomprehensible
>collaborative epiphany, has finally teamed up
>with...a stand up comedian. It's true. And of course, it wouldn't be true
>improvisation if the comedian weren't improvising as well, so what we're
>left with, is a series of skronks and squeals, and a series of witty (read:
>fucking stupid) riffs on newspaper headlines that are NOT FUNNY. REALLY NOT
>FUNNY.
This totally reminds me of Don Byron's stage banter. Headlines, politics,
Clinton jokes (gag - well this was a few years back).
Ajda the Turkish Queen
http://mp3.com/turkishqueen
http://wmbr.mit.edu/schedesc.html#binge
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:15:42 -0700
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: summer reading
There seems to be that some on this list are fans of Japanese literature.
May I suggest reading the works of Osamu Dazai.
He was a fascinating character and in image and lifestyle totally the
opposite of Yukio Mishima. Dazai came from a well-connected political
family in Japan who went to an University in Tokyo and became totally
left-wing plus developed a taste for hard drugs, drinks, and geishas. My
favorite book of Dazai's is his short story collection called 'Self
Portraits.' The stories are great, plus there is commentary by its
translator and editor on what really took place in these stories. His
novels are 'The Setting Sun' and 'No Longer Human.' In his early years
Dazai attempted to commit suicide with his girlfriend at the time. He
survived the suicide attempt, but unfortunately his girlfriend didn't. In
1947, he committed suicide with another woman. I believed both drowned in a
river nearby Tokyo.
Mishima in his early career hated Dazai, because he thought of him weak. At
a literary party that Mishima attended, he zeroed on to Dazai who was then
surrounded by his fellow writers - commented to Dazai 'that he didn't like
his work.' To say this in such a circle was shocking. But Dazai just
commented that 'for him to say that means that he really loves me.' Mishima
was totally taken back by Dazai's comment.
Dazai's work is very witty and charming, but also has a taste of poison.
- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
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