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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, August 16 2001       Volume 03 : Number 529



In this issue:
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       Fwd: Seattle Chamber Players: Season Announcement
       RE: The return of JMT
       Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       Re: What are your favorite ten songs to play really loud? / DC Stores
       Re: king ubu
       Re: king ubu
       most dangerous shows
       RE: ugly strippers and dangerous shows
       The Residents (was: most dangerous shows)
       RE: Julee Cruise/Badalamenti
       Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       top ten things to listen to loud
       My top 10 louder list
       Saariaho
       Re: Saariaho

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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:09:34 -0500
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Seattle Chamber Players: Season Announcement

Hi folks,

I just received this & thought y'all'd like to know about it.

In addition to the Zorn premiere on the November concert, there's
also a premiere by Uri Caine in spring (as well as other good music
less relevant to the list at hand).

Bests,

Herb

>The Seattle Chamber Players announce
>
>the 2001-2002 season
>
>New To Your Ears!
>
>All concerts in Nordstrom Recital Hall, Benaroya Hall
>
>The SCP:
>
>Laura DeLuca, clarinet
>David Sabee, cello
>Mikhail Shmidt, violin
>Paul Taub, flute
>
>
>The Seattle Chamber Players continue to set the trend for chamber music
>programming with a season of seven provocative concerts, and its first
>ever festival and conference.
>
>Subscription packages range from $88 to $150; individual tickets are
>$25/$19 students.
>
>To receive a copy of our brochure, order tickets or for further
>information, call 206-286-5052 or email [e-mail]
>
>The season features:
>
>Stephen Drury, piano
>John Duykers, tenor
>Anton Nel, piano
>Lydia Kavina, theremin
>Alexander Ivashkin, cello
>Svetlana Savenko, soprano
>Ivan Sokolov, piano
>Uri Caine, piano
>New works by John Zorn, Laura Kaminsky, Uri Caine,and Seth Krimsky
>
>February 8-10, 2002: Icebreaker: Voices from New Russia
>a three-day festival and conference with premieres of new works by five
>Russian composers
>
>There will be a pre-concert talk starting 45 minutes before each concert.
>All concerts take place at Benaroya Hall's Illsley Ball Nordstrom Recital
>Hall in downtown Seattle
>
>
>The Season
>
>American Mavericks
>
>Sunday, November 11, 2001, 7:00 PM
>Stephen Drury, piano
>John Zorn, new work
>Laura Kaminsky, new work
>other works to be announced
>
>British Invasion
>
>Friday, January 18, 2002, 8:00 PM
>John Duykers, tenor
>Peter Maxwell Davies, Eight Songs for a Mad King, and works by James
>Macmillan and Gavin Bryars
>
>Icebreaker: Voices from New Russia
>A Three-Day Festival / Conference of Contemporary Russian Music
>
>Friday, February 8, 2002, 8:00 PM
>Saturday, February 9, 2002, 2:00 PM
>Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:00 PM
>
>Lydia Kavina, theremin
>Alexander Ivashkin, cello
>Svetlana Savenko, soprano
>Ivan Sokolov, piano
>
>---featuring five premieres by members of the Russian Association of
>Contemporary Music II, the current-day successors of the great 20th
>century Russian composers Shostakovich, Schnittke and Gubaidulina---
>
>Sons Exotiques
>
>Friday, March 14, 2002, 8:00 PM
>Anton Nel, piano
>Claude Debussy, Piano Preludes
>Steve Reich, Vermont Counterpoint
>Pierre Boulez, Dialogue de l'Ombre Double
>Olivier Messaien, Quartet for the End of Time
>
>Uri and Seth's Excellent Adventure
>
>Sunday, April 14, 2002, 7:00 PM
>Uri Caine, piano
>Seth Krimsky, bassoon
>Uri Caine, new work
>Seth Krimsky, new work
>other works to be announced

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Herb Levy
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817  377-2983
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:16:32 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: The return of JMT

I have never seen a CD version, not never ever, not even as a Japanese or
German import, so I've taken special care of my vinyl.  It's a really nice
album.

I'm glad to see the JMT stuff on the verge of reappearing.  There's not much
there that I don't already have, but after years of hearing about some of
this stuff, I bet lots of people who missed these releases the first time
around will love to have a chance to hear them for themselves.

Wonder if this means the ten-year hole in Tim Berne's life will soon be
patched.  He had once wanted to do it himself, via licensing the discs for
Screwgun, but was blocked from doing so.

And it will be nice to get the Bloom/Hersch on shiny disc as well.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Patrice L.
Roussel
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:56 PM
To: Alan Lankin
Cc: zornlist; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The return of JMT

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:42:35 -0400  "Alan Lankin" wrote:
>
> Herb Robertson Transparency (Winter & Winter/JMT) Sept 4=20
> - Robertson's debut from 1985; with Tim Berne, Bill Frisell, Lindsey =
> Horner and Joey Baron

Does anybody know if this record was ever released on CD? I am only aware
of the 1985 vinyl print.


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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:42:37 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

>From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
>
>
>The show I saw of the Buttholes around '85 was pretty much like the one(s)
>described in the Azerrad book (which I recommend also): naked green dancer,
>two drummers standing, home movies, surgery movies,
>strobe lights, smoke machine, singer in lingerie with megaphone in hand.

Now my memory has been slightly more (a)jarred by these postings, during the
show I saw on this tour, Gibby had lit the cymbal on fire with the lighter
fluid, and was hitting it with his hand, causing flaming fluid to fly about,
next thing blood is spurting everywhere from his wrist and/or forearm, and
then he jumps into the audience and gets into a punchup, of course the
audience is freaking but a few seconds later he's back on stage "singing",
like nothing ever happened, no sign of blood. Very strange!

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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:07:34 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What are your favorite ten songs to play really loud? / DC Stores

On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:08:03PM -0500, Ben Axelrad wrote:

> My brother just moved to DC and is looking for some good record stores and
> music clubs.  He's desperate.  Any help would be appreciated.

Good record stores in DC? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

But Now! Music and Fashion (in nearby Arlington, at the Clarendon
Metro) ain't bad, if no match for the good places in NYC.

As far as clubs, if you're looking for zorn-list related stuff, it sorta
floats around. The Sonic Circuits festival is in DC this week (we have
links from the Metatron Press home page at http://www.metatronpress.com/ ).
Good stuff happens at MoCA-DC, a gallery in Georgetown, so keep an eye
of for listings there. (Disclaimer: I book some of it, and am
thereby prejudiced :-])

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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:23:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: king ubu

interesting list of records, Michael. I've only heard some of these fairly
recently (News From The Shed and Loose Music), so I have a different
perspective on them. Random Acoustics was definitely influential on
Erstwhile, though, as evident by the many musicians who overlap the two. some
early faves were the Polwechsel, Pair'A'Dice, and the Earl Howard, still one
of only two records he's done as a leader (the other being an Erstwhile).

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com


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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:25:03 +0200
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: king ubu

>In a message dated 8/13/01 5:53:22 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< are you coming from the point of view of liking the
>
>previous releases, as did Michael? >>
>
>yeah, I really liked Binaurality. never heard the other one, how's that
>compare?

around 15 years ago I saw a concert of King Ubu in Berlin with my girlfriend
of that time and it was her first and probably last jazz concert ever...

Surprisingly this chaotic band is still active.

Andreas

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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:10:39 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: most dangerous shows

this looks like another good "best of" thread!

Alas, I never saw the Buttholes or Neubauten but there are
shows from approx. that time that I still vividly remember:

Virgin Prunes ca 82 Zurich
 extremely aggressive stance, dripping make-up, heavy fruit spitting

Residents ca 84(83?) Zurich
 very tense megahappening, since a large anti-can't remember protest
 demo changed its authorized course to rejoin the venue
 in time for the gig, making police go tear-gas crazy and shove hundreds
 of demonstrators (and I guess residents fans) into the venue for free.

Foetus ca 85 Fribourg
 naked from the waist up, comes in like a blast and kicks in the entire=20
 skinhead frontrow of heads with his doc martens as a shock start.

Fura del Baus ca 87 Basel
 old+large+high indoor military stable venue, actors/musicians=20
 running mad everywhere hassling around the audience (which had to
 keep moving), lighting things up, throwing flour and various liquids,=20
 waving electric saws (probably not real, but pretty=20
 scary looking). The closest to a full-fledged street riot I felt in
 a "concert".=20
=20
St=E9phane

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:55 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Sweat Loaf
>=20
>=20
>=20
> My two dangerous shows were:  1.  Faust's North American=20
> debut where one band member was swinging a chainsaw very=20
> close to audience members (& yes it was real because he'd=20
> been cutting something).  2.  Anybody remember Psychodrama? =20
> Their performance at the Destroy All Music festival featured=20
> one member in nothing but a diaper while the other broke LPs=20
> in half and then zipped them at the audience which could have=20
> easily "put somebody's eye out" among other things. =20

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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:57:11 -0400
From: "josephneff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ugly strippers and dangerous shows

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Hello,
        ...the Buttholian stripper in question was Kathleen Lynch, and =
while I never was afforded the opportunity to glimpse her wares, I did =
get to see her band Beme Seed open for the Surfers at the old DC 9:30 =
club. Swans style pain rock crossed with some Buttholes style psyche. =
The two albums I have by 'em are rather cool.=20

         ...someone mentioned Psychodrama in relation to dangerous =
shows, and I haven't heard that name mentioned in ages. They were =
actually quite controversial back in the 80's due to their blatantly =
racist content. Gerard "Matador" Cosloy would defend them in his long =
gone fanzine Conflict, while Eugene Chadbourne would attack them in =
Maximum Rock n Roll. IIRC, some of the people in Psychodrama also had =
connections to Lisa Carver when she was doing her Suckdog thing. While I =
never experienced Psychodrama outside of the fanzine press, I'd say they =
could be summed up as oddball performance art that was intended to shock =
and anger the politically correct.=20

       ...descriptions of Joe Coleman shows always made 'em sound rather =
dangerous to me.

I remain....

Joseph

NP: Smiley Winters "Smiley Etc." CD
NR: Joseph McElroy "Lookout Cartridge"

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was=20
afforded the opportunity to glimpse her wares, I did get to see her band =
Beme=20
Seed open for the Surfers at the old DC 9:30 club. Swans style pain rock =
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rather cool.=20
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size=3D2>        =20
...someone mentioned Psychodrama in relation to dangerous shows, and I =
haven't=20
heard that name mentioned in ages. They were actually quite =
controversial back=20
in the 80's due to their blatantly racist content. Gerard "Matador" =
Cosloy would=20
defend them in his long gone fanzine Conflict, while Eugene Chadbourne =
would=20
attack them in Maximum Rock n Roll. IIRC, some of the people in =
Psychodrama also=20
had connections to Lisa Carver when she was doing her Suckdog thing. =
While I=20
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could=20
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anger the=20
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...descriptions of Joe Coleman shows always made 'em sound rather =
dangerous to=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
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CD</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:37:03 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Residents (was: most dangerous shows)

"Vuilleumier, StΘphane" wrote:

> Residents ca 84(83?) Zurich
>  very tense megahappening, since a large anti-can't remember protest
>  demo changed its authorized course to rejoin the venue
>  in time for the gig, making police go tear-gas crazy and shove hundreds
>  of demonstrators (and I guess residents fans) into the venue for free.

And they'll be playing Zurich again in September!!!
Missed them last time, but I'll be there this year.

patRice

np: Fela Kuti, Original Sufferhead / I.T.T.
nr: Ogai Mori, Vita Sexualis


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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:10:18 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Julee Cruise/Badalamenti

Julee Cruise had one song, I believe it was on the SCREAM soundtrack.
Haven't heard of it.  And apart from the KHAN contributions, she also did
some vocals to a band/artist named HYBRID.  Has anyone heard any of these?

Neil H. Enet
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NP. Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels/Sunburst and Snowblind


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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:19:56 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

thanks for the butthole reminiscences, steve.

a few years ago, i read a pretty good piece about them in, of all places,
rolling stone. the writer (whose name i forgetted) led the piece with a long
story about gibby playing touch football in his yard, and how he was a star
quarterback in high school. the point of explaining all this, the author
went on to say, was to show where he got the skills required to bean a
heckler in the back of the room in the head with a full can of beer.

yeah, it sucks that they suck now.

there's a time to shit and a time for god,
the last shit i took was pretty fucking hard.

kurt

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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paisley Fripp <[e-mail]>
Subject: top ten things to listen to loud

1.)"Holy Wars/the Punishment Due" - Megadeth
2.) Anything off "Hard Normal Daddy" - Squarepusher
3.) Anything by Napalm Death since 1995
4.) Anything off "Heartwork" - Carcass
5.) "Sympathy for the Devil" and "Gimme
Shelter"-Rolling Stones
6.)"Renunciation" -Secret Chiefs 3
7.)"Angel of Death" - Slayer
8.)Anything by Isis, especially off "Celestial"
9.)Anything by Muslimgauze
10.)Anything by Dead Can Dance

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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:20:04 +0200
From: "Bza" <[e-mail]>
Subject: My top 10 louder list

1)Peace love and pitbulls : (I'm the) radio king kong
2) dEUS : suds & soda
3) Naked City : Contempt
4) Rollins Band : Ghost Rider
5) John Coltrane : India (live at the Village Vanguard, last day)
6) Eric Dolphy : Booker's Waltz
7) NIN : Wish
8) Pantera : Great Southern Trendkill
9) Public Enemy : She watch channel 0
10) The whole "ask question later" album from Cop shoot Cop

....and of course any Squarepusher track !



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:32:55 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Saariaho

Anyone on the list familiar with the works of electroacoustic composer Kaija
Saariaho? Comments? Recommendations?

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:33:11 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Saariaho

At 05:32 AM 8/16/01 +0000, thomas chatterton wrote:
>
>Anyone on the list familiar with the works of electroacoustic composer Kaija
>Saariaho? Comments? Recommendations?

The only album I have of hers is Private Gardens, a collection of four
works for instruments and electronics on Ondine.  One of the 'instruments'
in this case is a soprano, an instrument for which I've never acquired a
taste.  However, the other pieces on the album, one each for cello and
flute and a suite for percussion, are very nice.  The percussion suite in
particular is very delicate and ethereal.

For another opinion, there's a fairly long review of this album posted at
cdnow, where the reviewer gives pride of place to the soprano piece.
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Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

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