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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #513
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Zorn List Digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 513
In this issue:
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RE: minutemen's ghost dog
G. Hurley
Re: nick cave on night music
Re: G. Hurley
Dogspinning.
Dogspinning.
Dogspinning.
Dogspinning.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:16:30 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: minutemen's ghost dog
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fIREHOSE was indeed a great live band, but ultimately its greatest
significance was in getting Watt to play again after the tragic loss of
Boon. Saw them on the 'Ragin', Full On' tour, opening for Sonic Youth and
the Butthole Surfers in San Antonio. Those were the days...
Watt's solo stuff is a bit hit and miss (though who wouldn't love "Piss
Bottle Man"?), but the live shows for 'Engine Room' were indeed tremendous,
especially with Nels. Anyone heard the new band Watt's sharing with J.
Mascis?
I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm
section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all at
once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as they'll
ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the Watt/Hurley
rhythm monster.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Ingram Marshall, 'In My Beginning Is My End' (New Albion)
P.S. Haven't heard the Stangl set that folks was dissin', but pace Jon, my
own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the year-so-far" is the
Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid out what amounts to a
dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and backgrounds.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:34:08 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: G. Hurley
Steve Smith wrote:
> I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm
> section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all
> at once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as
> they'll ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the
> Watt/Hurley rhythm monster.
Does anyone know what George Hurley's been up to since fIREHOSE? Of
all the instrumental performances on all the records I've ever heard,
his drumming on Double Nickels on the Dime may be my favorite. Totally
grabs me by the chakras.
William Crump
PS - Sorry, Steve, meant to send that one to the list as a whole.
- -
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:38:25 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: nick cave on night music
>
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:36:48 -0700 Skip Heller wrote:
>>
>>> More important: does he have "shelve credibility" in your record collection?
>>
>> None whatsover. He's filed right next to the Velvet Underground in my
>> "things critics lie about" section.
>
> Can you give us some example of artists on whom critics don't lie?
>
> Patrice.
>
> -
>
Certainly:
Zorn really got the critical props for doing something amazing during the
SPILLANE period, and rightfully so.
Dave Douglas has certainly been steadily on the recieving end of great press
for quite some time, and he's certainly worthy.
Cecil Taylor, Don Cherry, and Curtis Mayfield, even when their latest
release didn't hit home. They still got the respect.
Glenn Gould, Joey Baron, Wayne Kramer, and Joe Henderson -- there's no
better way to make your point than to play technically spotless music with
so much blood in the performance. Amazingly, this has not happened without
critical recognition.
Caetano Veloso, Dave Alvin, Merle Haggard -- Songs still mean something.
In the critical lie category -- and I'm sure this will arouse great anger
among some-- the Velvet Underground, Iggy, Big Star, Jane's Addiction, NIN,
Ornette Coleman, Albert Ayler, any Tom Waits album after RAIN DOGS, and
about 60% of what I've seen in NO DEPRESSION.
And, on the opposite side, how many great records does one have to make
before he gets "important" status? Where are the major props for Pere Ubu,
Hank Jones, Mandrill, the Contortions, Blue Mitchell, Mark Feldman, Johnny
"Guitar" Watson, and a great many other people who have time and again made
music that is as fulfilling as any we'll ever hear? They don't get the same
kind of "cred" in the groovy magazines where they tell you who got
citizenship in THE WORLD OF HOT. Obviously, there are critics out there who
really do beat the bushes for the stuff they believe in, but, in the bigger
magazines (where advertisers wind up dictating editorial content more often
than anyone cares to admit), it takes a major ad campaign and a really
bitchen publicist to generate feature articles on guys like Joe Henderson
and Charlie Haden, who -- shock of shocks -- got scant notice in the
national press before Verve signed them. Zorn pointed out that he got
little critical respect until he signed to a major, and he's right. Unless
you're on the "right" label, with the "right" publicist, getting you the
"right kind of press", kiss your f*****g cred goodbye.
skip h
np: Bar Kokhba
- -
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:41:19 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: G. Hurley
>
> Steve Smith wrote:
>
>> I always thought Watt and Hurley would have been an incredible rhythm
>> section for Ornette. They were so tight and so multi-directional all
>> at once. I guess the Boodlers disc with Elliott Sharp is as close as
>> they'll ever get, which isn't very close, actually. I do miss the
>> Watt/Hurley rhythm monster.
>
> Does anyone know what George Hurley's been up to since fIREHOSE? Of
> all the instrumental performances on all the records I've ever heard,
> his drumming on Double Nickels on the Dime may be my favorite. Totally
> grabs me by the chakras.
>
> William Crump
>
> PS - Sorry, Steve, meant to send that one to the list as a whole.
>
>
> -
>
In 1995, he, Tom Troccoli, and Dez Cadena mounted a band called Vida, who
put out one fairly good disc. He's since been playing with Mayo Thompson's
reformed Red Crayola.
skip h
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:54:16 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>
Subject: Dogspinning.
MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
>my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the
>year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid
>out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and
>backgrounds.
Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly
compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing
out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of
a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the
sound of this one.
In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime,
so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet:
- Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this
album!);
- Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?);
- Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has
been stuck in my head for days);
- v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop
covers!);
- Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed
so far);
- Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty);
- Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my
favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...);
- Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi
punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...);
- Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around
the block to work with this guy is beyond me);
- Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic,
but also playful at times);
- John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon
filing chores quite nicely);
- Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder);
- Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert
recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture)
Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my
no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to
this thread almost a week after it got started.
Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm
going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings
tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of
the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album.
- -me
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST)
From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>
Subject: Dogspinning.
MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
>my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the
>year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid
>out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and
>backgrounds.
Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly
compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing
out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of
a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the
sound of this one.
In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime,
so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet:
- Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this
album!);
- Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?);
- Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has
been stuck in my head for days);
- v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop
covers!);
- Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed
so far);
- Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty);
- Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my
favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...);
- Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi
punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...);
- Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around
the block to work with this guy is beyond me);
- Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic,
but also playful at times);
- John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon
filing chores quite nicely);
- Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder);
- Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert
recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture)
Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my
no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to
this thread almost a week after it got started.
Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm
going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings
tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of
the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album.
- -me
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST)
From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>
Subject: Dogspinning.
MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
>my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the
>year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid
>out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and
>backgrounds.
Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly
compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing
out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of
a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the
sound of this one.
In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime,
so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet:
- Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this
album!);
- Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?);
- Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has
been stuck in my head for days);
- v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop
covers!);
- Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed
so far);
- Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty);
- Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my
favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...);
- Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi
punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...);
- Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around
the block to work with this guy is beyond me);
- Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic,
but also playful at times);
- John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon
filing chores quite nicely);
- Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder);
- Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert
recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture)
Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my
no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to
this thread almost a week after it got started.
Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm
going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings
tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of
the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album.
- -me
- -
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:54:16 +0200 (CEST)
From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>
Subject: Dogspinning.
MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
>my own candidate for "biggest disappointment of the
>year-so-far" is the Japanese 'Ghost Dog' soundtrack CD, for which I laid
>out what amounts to a dollar per minute of second-hand Wu Tang tracks and
>backgrounds.
Did I miss something somewhere, or was there supposed to be a particularly
compelling reason for buying the Japanese CD when Sony/Epic put the thing
out on vinyl for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $16US? Not being much of
a fan of the vocal side of the 'Clan, I'm actually pretty happy with the
sound of this one.
In terms of other stuff that has been spinning lately, it's summertime,
so my standards have largely gone right down the toilet:
- Pop Will Eat Itself: Cure for Sanity (somebody PLEASE remaster this
album!);
- Merlin: Merlin's Arcade (where did he disappear to, I wonder?);
- Sonic Youth: 100% single (haven't actually played it, but "Genetic" has
been stuck in my head for days);
- v/a: Operation Beatbox (hooray for industrial-dance bands doing hip-hop
covers!);
- Sensational: Heavyweighter (by far the best production job he's managed
so far);
- Swans: Various Failures (melodramatic in the extreme, but awfully pretty);
- Tetreault/Drumm: Particles and Smears (snap-crackly-poppy goodness... my
favourite Erstwhile disc other than the Haunted House one...);
- Thunderinas: Blower! (I've learned my lesson... no more crappy no-fi
punk schlock from Homewrecker for me...);
- Mick Harris: Hed Nod Sessions 2 and 3 (why MCs aren't lined up around
the block to work with this guy is beyond me);
- Einsturzende Neubauten: Silence is Sexy (not only frilly and romantic,
but also playful at times);
- John Zorn: Songs from the Hermetic Theater (accompanies late-afternoon
filing chores quite nicely);
- Cubanate: Barbarossa (better-than-average British club fodder);
- Vandermark 5 and Chicks on Speed: assorted quasi-recent concert
recordings (and an entertaining idea for a collaborative recording venture)
Oh, and also the sweet, sweet purring of the quiet new power supply in my
no-longer-constantly-shorting-out computer, which is why I'm posting to
this thread almost a week after it got started.
Many thanks, by the way, for the bass clarinet suggestions... I think I'm
going to head out in search of some Marty Erlich and Eric Dolphy recordings
tomorrow afternoon, even though I'll probably just end up buying a copy of
the Moulin Rouge soundtrack album.
- -me
- -
- -
------------------------------
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