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Zorn List Digest         Monday, June 11 2001         Volume 03 : Number 460



In this issue:
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       Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times
       Zorn's Top 10 for April 2001
       Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: change
       Fire Martyrs/happnings in Atlanta, GA
       Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Radiohead
       Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times

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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:26:30 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times

At 02:19 PM 6/9/2001 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:
>it's easy to complain about the music writing in the Times, but trying to
>actually come up with someone they should hire is much more difficult. the
>person needs to be a good, insightful writer who lives in NYC and is
>willing to cover concerts 3 or 4 nights a week, then write up reviews on a
>short deadline, many of which will never run in the paper. it's very hard
>to do that for a while, coupled with all of the outside pressures you face
>as the Times critic, and not burn out creatively. imagine trying to come
>up with something original and/or interesting to say about the Lincoln
>Center Jazz Orchestra the tenth time you write about them.

Excellent point.  Trying to aesthetically enjoy a show while you have to
write about it and think of interesting, thought-provoking things to say is
a demanding task.  Try doing that for ten nights, even for something as
high quality as the VF, and you'll see what I mean.

Best,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:38:13 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn's Top 10 for April 2001

Hi y'all...

If anyone is interested in the following book

Ozuma Kaname "Tattooing",

which Zorn lists in his Top 10, here's where you can order it:

http://keibunsha.com
(Price: US$ 199.-)

But BEWARE!!!
It is the shittiest company I've ever had to deal with in my whole life,

run by the biggest *=3D*=3D/"=E7%=E7**"=E7=E7*"=3D one can imagine...

If anyone considers ordering from them and wants to find out more
details - contact me privately...

"Unfortunately", the paintings shown in that book are VERY good.
Ozuma Kaname is a painter who is very highly respected in the tattooing
community.

patRice

np: Depeche Mode, Exciter
nr: Horitaka, Bushido - Legacies of the Japanese Tattoo


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:24:02 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Radiohead

I was very impressed by Ok Computer and then Kid A and felt that Radiohead
was going somewhere.  That's confirmed with Amnesiac.  They're leaving
behind a lot of the "rock" aspects of their sound and incorporating more
free form compositions and of course techno.  I've read some nasty reviews
of Amnesiac which I think are unfounded.  I stayed up until midnight to get
a copy of it with my girlfriend at Tower (she's actually the bigger fan,
though).  I'd like to know if anyone likes the shift in style or feels, as
many critics do, that they should revert to the classic Radiohead sound.
Zach

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:12:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Radiohead

oh man.  the experimental attitude that radiohead exposed to mainstream rock
is what brought me around eventually to john zorn.  from radiohead to
portishead, from portishead to miles davis, and so on.  so called classic
radiohead first of all was more a product of their environment than anything
else.  they were britpop punks when they started out.  ok computer totally
blew me away, and though theyve left alternative rock almost completely
behind, i think it's unfounded to call their more recent sound really
surprising or unexpected or much of a total diversion.  theres no spontaneous
jump from creep to national anthem, ok computer is a perfect transitional
album, and the twins (kid a/ amnesiac) are just the next evolution.  i love
what theyre doing now, theyve freed themselves from the confines of single
instruments, theyve removed the pop filters from their fingers and stopped
looking to please the commercial public.  the best music comes from the
players only trying to satisfy themselves.  and god, i thought ok computer
was a height, totally blew me away, changed the way i even thought about
music.  wait 3 more years and see what they come up with next.

and critics always hate when an established band does something we aren't
used to hearing from them.  every good band in history was like ripped on
when they first showed up.  why are we listening to critics now anyway?
plus, i think it's fair for us to say that there's no such thing as "the
classic radiohead sound."  pablo honey was explosive alt.punk, the bends was
melodic folkrock, ok computer was, well, ok computer, i think we can all
agree on this.  im really looking forward to their next few albums, in ten
years when they start playing god knows what, critics will be crying "what
happened to the jazz savvy technofreaks we've come to know and love?"

~fishy

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:15:48 -0700
From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radiohead

I like Radiohead, but I don't feel any emotional ties with them or their
music.  Plus their stuff reminds me of Miles, Robert Wyatt, etc.  Plus the
Apex Twin - and I think the original sources are much more interesting.
Saying that I think their recent records are good - I am just not that
knocked out and dragged away with their music.


> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:56:29 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radiohead

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Choate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radiohead

i came to radiohead through kid a.  my friend was
dissing on it so i borrowed it to see what he was
talking abuot...then i bought it from him.  i like kid
a more than Am as of now...but all things need time to
grow....
after Kid a i got ok PC.

funny...the same guy now loves the album now..
but also intersting, me and his drummer both thought
that each of the amnesiac songs were good ideas, but
they only took them so far...
they could have expanded they ideas farther...
but if you knew that band/group of people, then this
would be self explaining...
they have the same brilliance that has kept fans since
...whenever..
but where are the strange "paranoid android" epics..
of course i have my bitches brew and my progrock
side..
speaking of..

is anyone into tool?
their latest is a hardcore challenge for radio/pop to
get into...full of off rythym and well, toolness.
like radiohead, their current location isn't a
surprise..they have always been moving...
there are some really great moments in lateralus...
they cover all the sides of their sound...except
without as many segues as before (which isnt bad..just
less trying).

amor fati,
thomas



- --- "&c." <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I was very impressed by Ok Computer and then Kid A
> and felt that Radiohead
> was going somewhere.  That's confirmed with
> Amnesiac.  They're leaving
> behind a lot of the "rock" aspects of their sound
> and incorporating more
> free form compositions and of course techno.  I've
> read some nasty reviews
> of Amnesiac which I think are unfounded.  I stayed
> up until midnight to get
> a copy of it with my girlfriend at Tower (she's
> actually the bigger fan,
> though).  I'd like to know if anyone likes the shift
> in style or feels, as
> many critics do, that they should revert to the
> classic Radiohead sound.
> Zach
>
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>


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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:05:18 -0400
From: "marc elzweig" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radiohead

radiohead should have stayed exactly as they were with 'the bends' and never
changed.  change only confuses people.

no, as perfect an album as 'the bends' is for what it is (and i do still
listen often and genuinely enjoy it), i like where they are now far more.
the thoughtfully layered motivic electronic/rock/composition things on 'kid
a' consistently floor me, and i'm just getting into 'amnesiac' now.  hearing
the evolution from one album to the next is nice as well.

what amazes me is that they're still as popular as they are, it gives me
hope...


questions:  on the electronica side, what do people hear as influences?  i'm
not so into that and keep seeing, say, aphix twin refered to.  (aphex
maybe?)  what are good starting points there?


ta,
marc


n.p. amnesiac, naturally.


>From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Radiohead
>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:24:02 -0400
>
>I was very impressed by Ok Computer and then Kid A and felt that Radiohead
>was going somewhere.  That's confirmed with Amnesiac.  They're leaving
>behind a lot of the "rock" aspects of their sound and incorporating more
>free form compositions and of course techno.  I've read some nasty reviews
>of Amnesiac which I think are unfounded.  I stayed up until midnight to get
>a copy of it with my girlfriend at Tower (she's actually the bigger fan,
>though).  I'd like to know if anyone likes the shift in style or feels, as
>many critics do, that they should revert to the classic Radiohead sound.
>Zach
>
>-
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:35:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: change

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In a message dated 6/11/01 12:34:26 AM, Eriedell writes:

<< In a message dated 6/11/01 12:06:37 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< [whoever] should have stayed exactly as they were with [whatever] and
never
changed.  change only confuses people.
 >>

This is the last place i would've expected to hear something like this.
~eriedell


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In a message dated 6/11/01 12:06:37 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< [whoever] should have stayed exactly as they were with [whatever] and
never
changed.  change only confuses people.
 >>

This is the last place i would've expected to hear something like this.
~eriedell

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:50:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fire Martyrs/happnings in Atlanta, GA

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Thought there might be some interested parties here...

<< FIRE MARTYRS TOUR
 9pm, Friday, June 15th
 $6 at the door
 Eyedrum
 253 Trinity Avenue, NW
 404-522-0655 or www.eyedrum.org

 Einleitungszeit (Slovakia) - late 80s-sounding industrial/power
 electronics a la Dissecting Table, Genocide Organ, Maschinenzimmer 412,
 Sigillum S, Brighter Death Now. Compare to the Cold Meat Industry roster.

 Skrol (Czech Republic) - dark martial and orchestral bombast-industrial,
 compare to Laibach, In the Nursery, Le Syndicat, Der Blutharsch.
 "a Slavic symphony of mayhem."

 Schloss Tegal (Washington D.C.) - very cinematic dark ambient and
 hallucinatory power electronics. long-running and well known for nearly 15
 years in the noise underground. 5 CDs on labels such as Cold Spring, Noise
 Museum and Artware with a total of over 12,000 copies sold. Latest CD "Black
 Static Transmission" reviewed in Outburn Magazine: "A tendency for the
 atmospheres to sound as if they're being electronically scanned, kind of a
 sonar blipping responses from the ectoplasm currents at the edge of a
 formless infinity thought eons dead, but alive everything exists within us
 all, traces of the limbic mind. Ingenious!"

 Joe Christ (Atlanta) - experienced underground filmmaker will show a
 30 minute video. Depraved gore flicks with a sense of humor, one of his
 recent efforts featured Genesis P-Orridge. Richard Kern-esque. He's
 originally from Philadelphia.

 Ars Morta Universum: www.macabre.cz (Czech/Slovak artists)
 Interzone Music: www.interzonemusic.com (Schloss Tegal)


 Upcoming Euphonic Productions

 June 18th, Mats Gustafsson/Paul Lovens
 July 1st, Windy & Carl, Landing CANCELLED
 July 13th, The Flakes
 August 19th, Triage

 Earthshaking Music (www.earthshakingmusic.com)
 543 Stokeswood Avenue
 404-622-3355 or [e-mail]


 tmj/ep
    ______________________________________________________
   |euphonic productions is a not-for-profit organization
   |dedicated to presenting diverse perspectives in music.
   *
  >>


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FIRE MARTYRS TOUR
9pm, Friday, June 15th
$6 at the door
Eyedrum
253 Trinity Avenue, NW
404-522-0655 or www.eyedrum.org

Einleitungszeit (Slovakia) - late 80s-sounding industrial/power
electronics a la Dissecting Table, Genocide Organ, Maschinenzimmer 412,
Sigillum S, Brighter Death Now. Compare to the Cold Meat Industry roster.

Skrol (Czech Republic) - dark martial and orchestral bombast-industrial,
compare to Laibach, In the Nursery, Le Syndicat, Der Blutharsch.
"a Slavic symphony of mayhem."

Schloss Tegal (Washington D.C.) - very cinematic dark ambient and
hallucinatory power electronics. long-running and well known for nearly 15
years in the noise underground. 5 CDs on labels such as Cold Spring, Noise
Museum and Artware with a total of over 12,000 copies sold. Latest CD "Black
Static Transmission" reviewed in Outburn Magazine: "A tendency for the
atmospheres to sound as if they're being electronically scanned, kind of a
sonar blipping responses from the ectoplasm currents at the edge of a
formless infinity thought eons dead, but alive everything exists within us
all, traces of the limbic mind. Ingenious!"

Joe Christ (Atlanta) - experienced underground filmmaker will show a
30 minute video. Depraved gore flicks with a sense of humor, one of his
recent efforts featured Genesis P-Orridge. Richard Kern-esque. He's
originally from Philadelphia.

Ars Morta Universum: www.macabre.cz (Czech/Slovak artists)
Interzone Music: www.interzonemusic.com (Schloss Tegal)


Upcoming Euphonic Productions

June 18th, Mats Gustafsson/Paul Lovens
July 1st, Windy & Carl, Landing CANCELLED
July 13th, The Flakes
August 19th, Triage

Earthshaking Music (www.earthshakingmusic.com)
543 Stokeswood Avenue
404-622-3355 or [e-mail]


tmj/ep
   ______________________________________________________
  |euphonic productions is a not-for-profit organization
  |dedicated to presenting diverse perspectives in music.
  *



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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:07:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times

In a message dated 09/06/01 23:30:41 GMT Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Trying to aesthetically enjoy a show while you have to
 write about it and think of interesting, thought-provoking things to say is
 a demanding task.  >>

Of course, as Gigi Pidienti, (he is at [e-mail]) has pointed
out in the past, there is another way: exercise the discretion NOT TO
'aesthetically enjoy a show while you have to write about it and think of
interesting, thought-provoking things to say'.
Best regards
Roger P

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:36:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Radiohead

i just recently got into tool.  i was listening to rock radio and i heard
stinkfist for teh first time in like years and suddenly i realized that i had
no justification for not owning aenema.  so i went out and grabbed it and its
brilliant, it's hard to find bands in the liek dark/industrial metal genre
who really write beautiful complex albums, and aenema is not a singles album
any more than lateralus.  any 1 song is just an incomplete piece of the
whole.  schism is to lateralus, i think we can say, what optimistic was to
kid a, a modest and misrepresentative sampling.

~fishy

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:40:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Radiohead

in an interview, thom yorke cited some of radiohead's most prominent and more
recent influences to be Can, Kraftwerk, Faust, Olivier Messian, Penderecki
and the 13th floor Elevators.  i know about as much about these musicians as
my grandmother

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:59:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times

In a message dated 6/11/01 5:10:32 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Of course, as Gigi Pidienti, (he is at [e-mail]) has
pointed
out in the past, there is another way: exercise the discretion NOT TO
'aesthetically enjoy a show while you have to write about it and think of
interesting, thought-provoking things to say'. >>

Roger, ever since you joined this list a few months ago, you continually post
statements like this. well, I'd like elaboration on this one. what's your
point? are you saying no one should write about music? I don't understand the
purpose of this post, or many of your others, for that matter. I feel like
sometimes they're implicitly condescending, as if no one else here has ever
considered the possibilities you suggest (whoa! adding the words NOT TO to
Jason's post make me see things in a whole new light! there's another
possible path!) do you think you could enlighten me by answering in English,
rather than some pseudo-insightful epigrammatical statement? thanks!

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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