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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #385
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 385
In this issue:
-
good news/bad news/melvins
RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
Re: good news/bad news/melvins
RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
Re: Masada 4/14/01
Re: Masada 4/14/01
Re: Masada 4/14/01
Re: good news/bad news/melvins
Re: Avant Strings, etc
Re: good news/bad news/melvins
RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
Re: Soft Machine/Melvins
Re: More strings
Re: Soft Machine/Melvins
Re: More strings
Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Toop/Eastley, Ensemble Sondarc ...
Peter Brotzmann
Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT)
New Music in RealAudio
Guilty Choices
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:06:46 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: good news/bad news/melvins
good news: Matador Records Re-issued the Soft Boys record "Underwater
Moonlight."
bad news: I suddenly became childishly enraged when i saw a picture of
Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it.
I wonder if that's healthy...
melvins: i noticed in the Leng Tch'e liner notes (a long time ago actually, i
am just now getting around to mentioning it though) that Zorn thanks the
melvins. i saw them a while ago, and a lot of stuff they played was like Leng
Tch'e. Are their records like this too? i would be interested in hearing them
in any case. what is a good place to start?
ben o.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:12:19
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
>I dont' know enough of the Melvins work to NOT like the new album - I >have
>heard very little other material by which to judge it. It's not >what I
>expected, true, and from what I can gather, it's not even >a "proper"
>Melvins performance per se. It's credited to Buzz, >Dale, "Korny Ass
>Joker" and Adam Jones, recorded live in Cupertino on >December 13, 1998.
>Seems like a one-off or a side project to me, given >the little that I know
>of the band.
>Am I mistaken?
No, you're right. Here is what their web site says:
"The live CD "COLLOSUS OF DESTINY" should be coming out soon on IPECAC. It's
a live set we did a year or two ago that was recorded straight to DAT. It
was me, Dale Buzz and Adam Jones from TOOL. It should be out mid-April on
IPECAC. The music is "out in the tall weeds" as we like to sayùthat is, a
tad abstractùlive and vicious and then resolving into a light and fluffy
version of Eye Flys. We were opening for ourselves, and played a loud, loud
attack style music. The audience had their fingers in their ears, and
couldn't leave because that wasn't allowed by the club. It went on for an
hour and then evolved into our "normal " set. It was quite lovely. The
promoter asked us not to do that set again, even though we sold the place
out 2 nights in a row. We don't play there anymore thanks to their misplaced
artistic guidance."
>I'm curious to know more, but since there was already a Melvins
>survey on the Zornlist within the last coupla years, I figured I'd go >dig
>through the archives at some point. But hey, if anyone wants to >send me
>recommendations through private mail instead of clogging up the >list, feel
>free.
At the risk of getting on people's nerves (hopefully this won't), I would
say the Ozma/Gluey Porch Treatments CD is my favorite, but is not the most
accessible. Slow, thudding, ugly, etc. Bullhead is also in this vein but has
longer songs including the great "Zodiac." Houdini has some great stuff,
plus a little screwing around sort of stuff near the end. But you can find
it cheap used since it was on a major label. I haven't heard the Maggot yet
actually but from what I understand it was a "return to form" toward the
old, heavier style, not like the stuff on their later major label albums.
WY
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:37:34 -0400
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins
>Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it.
>I wonder if that's healthy...
Depends on whether it was a way-too-tight shirt or not.
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:50:43 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
So "Korny Ass Joker" = Kevin, huh? I'd wondered if it was someone else,
like maybe Patton.
Thanks for the tips. Think I'll download those MP3s from their site as
well.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nada
- -----Original Message-----
From: William York [mailto:william_york@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:12 PM
To: ssmith36@sprynet.com; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
No, you're right. Here is what their web site says:
"The live CD "COLLOSUS OF DESTINY" should be coming out soon on IPECAC. It's
a live set we did a year or two ago that was recorded straight to DAT. It
was me, Dale Buzz and Adam Jones from TOOL.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:06:29 -0500
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01
At 14:16 16-04-01 -0400, Jan wrote:
>Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? Anywhere
>near me (AL)?
>Jan
Jan,
The following are two/three events in the Birmingham/Atlanta area for the
next few weeks:
Euphonic Productions & WREK
present
Evan Parker - tenor & soprano saxophones
8:30pm, Saturday, April 21st
$10 at the door
First Existentialist Congregation
470 Candler Park Drive, NE
404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com
Evan Parker solo
Pilgrim Congregational
1024 Center Street
Birmingham AL
Sunday, 22 April @ 8:00 PM
Creative Music Association
presents
Peter Brotzmann - reeds
Hamid Drake - percussion
8pm, Friday, April 27th
$10 at the door
First Congregational Church
105 Courtland Avenue
404-659-6255 or cmai2@hotmail.com
See you there (either/both)?
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:11:39 -0600 (MDT)
From: Matt Plummer <Matthew.Plummer@Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01
David,
where was the show in Minneapolis?
thanks,
matt
Matt Plummer
Coalition for Creative Music
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Royko <davidroyko@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01
- --- Matt Plummer <Matthew.Plummer@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
> David,
> where was the show in Minneapolis?
Ted Mann Auditorium, on the UofM campus.
Dave
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:46:15 -0700
From: h e a t h e r <effiedarrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins
you know what, there are women on this list. perhaps blatantly offensive
comments about teenage girls, regardless of their pop icon status, would
better be suited for off list commentary.
h
On 4/16/01 12:37 PM, "wlt4@mindspring.com" <wlt4@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it.
>> I wonder if that's healthy...
>
> Depends on whether it was a way-too-tight shirt or not.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:57:09 -0400
From: Craig S Nixon <revinsound@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Avant Strings, etc
Ken Waxman spake of Herb Levy's avant string recs...
>>Can't begin to parallel Herb's encyclopedic string recs...
Me neither, but I'll throw a few more into the hat that weren't mentioned
yet (I think)..
Carlos Zingaro's "Solo", on the ADDA imprint of in situ records.
Absolutely amazing solo set, beuatifully captured in a large, empty hall.
The availability of ADDA imprint discs is questionable, however.
Bassist Leon Francioli's "Acoustic Ladyland", on a French label the name
of which I forget and can't access the disc now....
Harpist Elizabeth Panzer's fine solo recording on the O.O. Discs label.,
which covers several other composers in addition to some original works.
Also, Panzer's more improvisational trio Talking Harp, with Bruce Gremo
on wood flutes and Ed Ware on drums....
Craig Nixon
Revolution In Sound
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:16:06 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins
> you know what, there are women on this list. perhaps blatantly offensive
> comments about teenage girls, regardless of their pop icon status, would
> better be suited for off list commentary.
how about humour? are we allowed to have humour? please?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:31:29 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins
At 2:49 PM 4/16/01, Steve Smith wrote:
>I dont' know enough of the Melvins work to NOT like the new album - I have
>heard very little other material by which to judge it. It's not what I
>expected, true, and from what I can gather, it's not even a "proper" Melvins
>performance per se. It's credited to Buzz, Dale, "Korny Ass Joker" and Adam
>Jones, recorded live in Cupertino on December 13, 1998. Seems like a
>one-off or a side project to me, given the little that I know of the band.
>Am I mistaken?
>
>And given that it's one long track of rumbling noise, feedback and porn
>samples, I think it's gonna be one of those "only once in a while" listens,
>like 'Leng T'che,' actually. The only other Melvins disc I've got is 'The
>Maggot.' I'm curious to know more, but since there was already a Melvins
>survey on the Zornlist within the last coupla years, I figured I'd go dig
>through the archives at some point. But hey, if anyone wants to send me
>recommendations through private mail instead of clogging up the list, feel
>free.
>
The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about
"Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins
disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off their
audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And
they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off
their audience. I've never left one of their shows unhappy. I think they
tend to use things like the stuff on Colossus, the extended feedback and
gong solos, etc, as a test: if you make it through that, they'll give you
the rock.
That said, I do like just about every Melvins disc I own. I even like their
major label stuff, just as heavy as the earlier stuff, but better recorded.
"Honky" has a great summation of their major label experience.
____________________________________________
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New & Improv Media
http://www.newandimprov.com
Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub
____________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:35:45 -0400
From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins
> The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about
> "Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins
> disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off
their
> audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And
> they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off
> their audience.
The first (and only) time I saw them, the first words Buzz said were "We're
gonna give you a headache." I was in 7th or 8th grade at the time and I
fucking ate it up. It was actually at Lollapalooza, where I also saw The
Ramones.
Nirav,
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- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:00:36 EDT
From: DvdBelkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: More strings
> The Satako Fuji - Mark Feldman release due out later this year ought to be
a
> great addition to the avant piano - violin repertoire.
Funny - mere hours after I wrote this, Bruce at DMG tells me that it's just
been released in Japan, will be here (New York) soon.
David
PS. One of the tracks on the Arvo Part / Tabula Rasa disk mentioned earlier
is "Fratres," performed by the 12 Cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic. I
just want to add that their recording of Beatles songs (Cello Submarine) is
really not to be missed.
np: Sleater-Kinney, "i wanna be your joey ramone"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:01:21 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins
>> The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about
>> "Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins
>> disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off
>their
>> audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And
>> they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off
>> their audience.
>
>The first (and only) time I saw them, the first words Buzz said were "We're
>gonna give you a headache." I was in 7th or 8th grade at the time and I
>fucking ate it up. It was actually at Lollapalooza, where I also saw The
>Ramones.
>
First time I saw them, years ago, they were opening for some doctrinaire
punk rock band, I don't remember whom, I left after the Melvins. They came
onstage, and with 30 minutes of feedback at extreme volume, emptied the
room. I was one of about 5-6 left. Then they played about 15 minutes of
totally crushing rock. I was hooked for life....
____________________________________________
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New & Improv Media
http://www.newandimprov.com
Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub
____________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:08:42 -0500
From: ripleyjames@home.com
Subject: Re: More strings
Yep, the CD is called April Shower. It was released a few weeks ago by
ewe records in Japan and I've heard that Buzz records is very interested in
releasing it for
US and European audiences in the near future. Half of the CD is devoted to
Satoko
Fujii's solo and dubbed piano duets with herself and the rest to her duets
with
Mark Feldman. A profoundly deep listening experience for me. It's nice to
hear Fujii and
Feldman intertwine so perfectly on these wonderful songs! Should be
available from Cadence
soon, if not already.
James
At 10:00 PM 4/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > The Satako Fuji - Mark Feldman release due out later this year ought
> to be
>a
> > great addition to the avant piano - violin repertoire.
>
>Funny - mere hours after I wrote this, Bruce at DMG tells me that it's just
>been released in Japan, will be here (New York) soon.
>
>David
>
>PS. One of the tracks on the Arvo Part / Tabula Rasa disk mentioned earlier
>is "Fratres," performed by the 12 Cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic. I
>just want to add that their recording of Beatles songs (Cello Submarine) is
>really not to be missed.
>
>np: Sleater-Kinney, "i wanna be your joey ramone"
>
>-
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:13:44 +0100
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Toop/Eastley, Ensemble Sondarc ...
I have the following items for sale that
some on this list may be interested in.
Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.
$25 -- Blind Idiot God - "Undertow" JAP CD (Tokuma) 1990
[Japanese pressing of the Laswell produced Enemy CD from 1988.
Hawkins, Katz & Epstein w/ a George Clinton cover, and the
track, "Purged Specimen", featuring Zorn on sax.]
OFFERS -- David Toop & Max Eastley - "Buried Dreams" UK CD
(Beyond: rbadcd6) 1994 [An environmental ambient masterpiece
of digitally manipulated field recordings, found sounds and
traditional acoustic instruments. Long out of print.]
$16 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997
[66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.]
OFFERS -- 23 Skidoo - "The Culling Is Coming" AUS CD (L.A.Y.L.A.H.
Antirecords: lay23cd) 1989 [CD of Skidoo's most unorthodox
LP from 1983. Pt. 1 - improvised live w/ scrap metal perc.,
gas pipes/cylinders, tape loops & Tibetan thighbone trumpet
by D. Tibet (7/82, WOMAD). Pt. 2 - trad. gamelan (10/82,
Dartington College). Brilliant, and currently deleted.]
Thanks for looking.
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:41:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Adam Taylor Tierney <attierne@indiana.edu>
Subject: Peter Brotzmann
This is very last-minute, but for those of you (if any) who live in the
Midwest:
Peter Brotzmann's Die Like a Dog Trio is playing at the Waldron Arts
Center in Bloomington for free tomorrow (Tuesday) at 8:00 PM. Promises to
be a good time.
- --Adam Tierney
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:11:45 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT)
Thanks to everyone who shared their comments/thoughts on the Toop books
with me.
Very much appreciated.
I'll order one of them pretty soon, I think...
Yours,
patRice
np: Art Pepper & Eleven, Modern Jazz Classics
nr: Juzo Suzuki, Utagawa Kuniyoshi - 250 Years
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:41:42 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: New Music in RealAudio
This week's Mappings features duets by John Cage, Elliott Carter;
John Corbett, Fred Lonberg-Holm, & Torsten Mueller; Morton Feldman,
Jin Hi Kim; Guy Klucevsek, Steve Nelson-Raney & Jon Mueller; Reza
Vali; and Veryan Weston & Caroline Kraabel. Available online for a
week: http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/.
Hope to see y'all there.
Bests,
Herb
- --
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Mappings
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: HirakeMike <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Guilty Choices
So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred times,
would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they
normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty
choice? Something in the norm, not even closely
related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed.
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