> Zorn considers himself a transgressive auteur. He
> thinks that music, if
> it's worth anything, should always test the
> boundaries of the possible.
Speaking of said boundaries, I remember reading
(albeit not throroughly, unfortunately, and a few
years ago) an essay by Michel Foucault called "A
Preface to Transgression"---I believe it's been
anthologized in POWER/KNOWLEDGE and AESTHETICS; since
that deals with Bataille, etc, maybe it'd be of
interest to folks. Easier than much other Foucault.
Bill, did you make the point _why_ Bataille (cf.
EROTISM) makes "shock value" a moot point? I don't
quite get that.
And since I read this years (?) ago and it popped back
into my head, here's a tidbit from our favorite Paul
Auster lookalike, Marc Ribot:
"A lot of my favorite music has been transgressive in
some way so a lot of my favorite bands have also been
transgressive in some way. . . One type of performance
that I admire is one that transgresses against a
commonly accepted falsehood. I mean not blind
transgression, like if I went up and stabbed somebody
in the audience, that would be transgressing norms of
behavior. On the other hand I think if you can
successfully transgress some piece of bullshit that
people don't even know is their assumption then it can
come to create powerful music. I'm always on the
lookout for that....
I sensed a boundary and I thought 'What happens if you
transgress it?' It's more interesting to transgress
something once you've found it. So I tried to and you
know I wrote a couple of tunes on this record. I wrote
this tune called "Yo! I Killed You're God." . . . As
it turns out a lot of my friends also are Jewish. So
there was sort of a conversation started. Zorn is also
very interested in transgression. And Zorn had sort of
an opportunity to curate this two days of a [Radical
Jewish Culture] festival in Munich, two days of an art
projectïI think in 1992. And what better place to be
transgressive than in Munich. I mean it's almost
guaranteed." (source:
http://www.jsps.com/stories/ribot1.shtml)
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"Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life...
Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!"
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:02:16 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Re: atlanta
>There's also a couple of *great* radio stations there on the left of >the dial. Last time I was in the city (a few years ago), one of
Yep, WREK is wonderful free-form; you can get an idea from the fact that its two longest-running shows (almost 20 years for each!) are a very nice swing retrospective and "Destroy All Music" (pretty much what it sounds like). A few years back some of the student government people decided the station was out of control and tried to make it more mainstream. Basically that only resulted in some broad guidelines of mostly rock (actually "rock") in the afternoon: it's still quite common to hear Peter Brotzmann, Tony Conrad, Sun Ra, Derek Bailey, etc, not to mention Led Zepplin bootlegs, Israeli pop, obscure rap, entire ragas, death metal, SubGenius propaganda, 18th century string quartets from composers you (or at least I) have never heard of, and so on. Imagine a disorganized WFMU and you've got the idea. Check for yourself (live streaming and archived shows) at http://www.wrek.org
The George Tech station is WRAS and five or six years ago it was pretty standard college radio, mainly playing major label "alternative" stuff. Now there's rarely any major labels around and they're playing way more than the CMJ picks ranging from seven-inches to anything they think interesting. Nothing too extreme--no Merzbow--but you can hear Blackalicious bumped up against Hank Williams, Serge Gainsbourg against the Teletubbies, Spanish-language rap against Mouse on Mars. Some great specialty shows too.
Also of occasional interest but more sporadic are WCLK (all jazz though mostly schlock, a PD change two or three years ago really dumbed it down), WRFG ("community" programming with some decent music shows, esp a great blues show), WABE (typical NPR).
>I wish I could say that the music-buying scene was good. Unless >anything's changed recently, the music selection sucks for a city >the size of Atlanta.
This is pretty much true. However, check out Wuxtry for a good indie and jazz selection and Criminal Records also for indies/slipstream stuff. The legendary Wax n Facts is so cramped that shopping there isn't really worth the trouble. Because of all the label offices here, there's often some great stuff showing up in used stores. There's also a Tower but it's perpetually mismanaged and way too pricey. The best overall selection though also a bit pricey is Borders, particularly the Buckhead store.
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:16:58 +0100
From: Dirlack@t-online.de (Bjoern Dirlack)
Subject: Re: Georg Katzer
> (1) Does anyone have any more information on his work
I am not very familiar to his work.
All I can say is that he is still working (aged around 65) and his works were
performed quite often in Berlin.
He collaborated with improvising musicians since the 70s.
At my first Katzer concert in the late 80s (with Wolfgang Fuchs and Bill Smith)
I saw a computer on stage in a musical context for the first time.
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:49:08 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <degan1@telisphere.com>
Subject: FW: RE: Frisell/Sex Mob (was: Wall to Wall Miles Davis)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Egan [mailto:degan@telisphere.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:48 PM
To: Zorn List; ssmith36@sprynet.com
Subject: RE: Frisell/Sex Mob (was: Wall to Wall Miles Davis)
Yes, Bill did sit in with Sex Mob in a show in Seattle last December. It
was quite a scream! Bill would play a little, and then Steven B. would
yell, "More notes! More notes!" Bill just looked at him in his own way,
and played just a little more. They did mostly some blues-improv. Nice
tape of this - traders, contact me off-list.
- - Dave
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> I think that Frisell might have sat in on a Sex Mob
> date in Seattle at some point - the Seattle Zony Mashers
> could probably confirm this...
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:17:21 EST
From: DKuper9200@aol.com
Subject: Dead Ringer
Dear Zorn-listers,
My name is David. I am a relative newcomer to the Zorn list, and this is my
first post.
I recently attended a marvelous piano recital by Mia Chung, at Merkin Hall in
New York City. She included a very short piano piece by John Zorn entitled
"Dead Ringer." The program notes had a brief biography of Zorn, but no
information about the piece. Do any of you know anything about it? Also, if
any of you were at the recital, and would like to share your thoughts about
it, please do.
On another subject, is there a published score for "Sebastopol?" If so, who
is the publisher? I tried to order it from Patelson's, and they did not have
it in any of their catalogs. Besides, the salesperson who helped me never
even heard of John Zorn!
Thank you for your help,
David
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:58:26 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Transformative Auteurism
>>>...and throw the listener out of
immersion.<<<
....i.e., help the listener get his or
her head out of his or her ass.
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:39:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: online store comparisons?
- --- "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" > lately forced
exposure takes about one week to get
> around to doing anthing
> about your order...
And even then, in my experience, you might nor might
not get all that you ordered. I can see why they
might not want to screw with inquiries on "is it in
right _now_?" but two weeks go by and you get, say
most or part of your order. The rest...try again. My
experiences with the superhumanly patient staff at
Downtown Music Gallery, Anomalous, and Verge (who will
tell you if something they distrib is not in, and
offer to order) has been tops. Right now a favorite
is Riouxs, who ship almost as promptly as Bruce (no
one ships more promptly than Bruce) and are very
cheerful. Two cents, or less, as always.
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"Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life...
Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!"
