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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:25:51 EST
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: Boston listings
indeed. check out that tautology lisiting for boston improv shows:
- -http://members.aol.com/tautology3
also eventworks has some related shows coming up....
- -www.massart.edu/~eventworks
jason
<<Can anyone on the list direct me to some good online source for concert listings in and around Boston??>>
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:34:38 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: Re: The Bunglefever FTP
Well,
all I'm sure is that the Mr.Bungle demos that are there are completely legal,since the band said that they didn't want people (i.e the assholes on ebay) to make money out of them,so they spread it over the internet.As for the other stuff,most of it is just bootlegs,so,I guess no one got hurt by this.
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:13:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zappa/Patton/Zorn...
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Has this list been turned into a Zappa/Patton list? Not that I mind, really... I see no relation or influence between Zorn and Zappa... I must have 40 Zappa albums, 60 Zorn albums, and the relationship seems almost nil... I'm not suggesting that Zorn's never listened to Zappa, but the styles are totally different... Anyone thinking that Zorn and Zappa are alike would probably think that Bill Frisell's Material from '89 to '93 was influenced by Zappa as well... Anyone heard Frisell's "The Lone Ranger" from the Before we were born album? Probably the best 7 and a half minutes of music commited to Analog tape..........
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You don't think there's any relation? I think there's some, but I don't think it filters from Zappa to Zorn; I think they were just interested in similar things. I agree that they don't sound much alike, but you have to admit, they borrow from similar influences--except I don't see Zappa being inspired by Japanese films.
Steve Spangler
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:14:16 -0500
From: "Richard Allen" <richardfallen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Artist's label:are they reliable?
I wouldn't go that far. A lot of really great artists have releases on
Alternative Tentacles -- Zeni Geva, Ultra BidΘ, Wesley Willis, the Butthole
Surfers, etc. I don't know Biafra, but a lot of people talk a lot of shit
about him. I still haven't heard the full story about the other Dead
Kennedys suing him over royalties. He said something about not wanting a DK
song in a Levi's commercial. Does anyone know the story behind this?
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From: "Fag music"
To: richardfallen@hotmail.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Artist's label:are they reliable?
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:04 -0800
There's always an exception,
and,in this case (artist with a label),I'd say Jello Biafra with his
Alternative tentacles label is not the one to be trusted.
Jellos,
Green Jellos
P.S.:Did anyone remember when Greg Werckman used to run AT along with
Jello?Well,now he's with Patton on Ipecac...hmmmmmmm
>From: "Richard Allen" To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Show me
>your talent,babe Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:59:14 -0500
>
>I'd consider any artist-owned or operated label to be worth a degree of
>trust -- Mike Patton's Ipecac, Neil Young's Vapor, Thurston Moore's
>Ecstatic Peace, any of Boredoms' imprints (Shock City and Yamamoto's label,
>which I can't think of off hand), the Butthole Surfers' Latino Bugger Veil
>(and King Coffey's Trance Syndicate). I'd also put faith in Sub Pop, Drag
>City and Touch & Go.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows---- From: "Fag music" To: pattonsucks@37.com,
>jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Show me
>your talent,babe Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:03:42 -0800
>
>Yeah, but that's how it's always been,is't it?I think so...but this brings
>us to another topic:which labels do you guys think that are really in it
>for the music,not for the money?I know a few of them that aren't doing this
>just for pleasure,and I'd have to say that Tzadik,Earache,Relapse and even
>Ipecac are in it just for the pleasure of seeing obscure stuff that is
>considered to be ''commercial suicide'' getting listened.Could anyone
>recommend me any others???? Labels, Black label society
>
> >From: "Julian" >To: "Fag music" , >Subject: Re: Patton: Under the
>influence >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:51:44 +1100 > ><< you mean,FNM made
>the industry looked the other way,yeah...but were they >the only one??? >>
> > >Well yeah, probably. They don't look for talent, just money, so this
>number >one is all it would have taken... > >You know how every few months
>there's a few new Britney wannabes? That's >because the big record
>companies have figured it out, they don't overdo it, >they just get a
>couple of them out there, milk them for all their worth, and >then when
>they're past their use-by date, they forget about them, get >another one
>and repeat process ad nauseum (them, not you)... and meanwhile, >what's
>happening to the artists with actual talent? Well, nothing much... > > >-
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:35:14 EST
From: OnionPalac@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zappa/Zorn...
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Mr. Zorn has told me himself that Frank Zappa's "Uncle Meat" is one of the
all time great albums. He had a lot to say about Frank in particular. I have
to say a lot of the game pieces, Cobra especially, remind me of Zappa's early
Mother's directed improvisations. Compare "Did'ja Get Any On Ya?" from
"Weasels Rip My Flesh" to Cobra pieces. Cha cha cha. And "Lumpy Gravy," AH,
one of my favorites, reminds me of Godard, Spilline, ect. For comparisons
sake.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Mr. Zorn has told me himself that Frank Zappa's "Uncle Meat" is one of the
<BR>all time great albums. He had a lot to say about Frank in particular. I have
<BR>to say a lot of the game pieces, Cobra especially, remind me of Zappa's early
<BR>Mother's directed improvisations. Compare "Did'ja Get Any On Ya?" from
<BR>"Weasels Rip My Flesh" to Cobra pieces. Cha cha cha. And "Lumpy Gravy," AH,
<BR>one of my favorites, reminds me of Godard, Spilline, ect. For comparisons
<BR>sake.
<BR>
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Date: 16 Feb 2001 15:06:47 -0800
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@altavista.com>
Subject: Bailey/Prevost CD available
Sorry for the commercial nature of this post, but it is in response to a question someone asked a couple of months ago.
The Derek Bailey/Eddie Prevost duo recording ORE is now available, after a few delays. The label is Arrival Records, based in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I won't bother with any sort of review of the disc -- it is Bailey and Prevost, and the result is what is to be expected when you put two musicians of that caliber together. The label is run by a friend of mine, and while brainstorming about marketing issues, we decided to offer it here to zorn list people before it hits any distributor.
So, for a limited time, until deals are made with Cadence, Verge, etc on sales, anyone interested can email arrivalrecords@canada.com and order one for $13 US, shipping included to in North America, $15 US shipped elsewhere. This price will be in effect until the end of February only (when the price will probably jump a couple of dollars).
Also available is the second release on Arrival Records, warp & woof by Montreal guitar/percussion duo Detention (Sam Shalabi - guitar, and Alexander MacSween - drums). Detention play an often noisy brand of improvised music that borrows heavily from both rock and jazz, with a bit of the Quebec music actuelle esthetic of not falling into any genre. I'm not a big fan of guitar players, don't often listen to them, so can't really make a comparison of who Shalabi might sound like. But I do really like this album, and it may be because Shalabi's guitar doesn't call to mind any of the guitar players I have heard. And I am saying this as a listener, who has no affiliation with the label. Same deal as the Bailey/Prevost disc -- the price is in effect until distributors get it.
As I mentioned above, don't contact me if you are interested in either of these recordings -- email arrivalrecords@canada.com but be sure to say that you are doing it because of this posting.
Dan
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