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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #263
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Zorn List Digest Monday, January 29 2001 Volume 03 : Number 263
In this issue:
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zorn
Re: cecil taylor recommendations?
Re: cecil taylor recommendations?
Re: You're No Good
Re: You're No Good
GREAT BARCELONA CONCERT
ZORN INTERVIEW
Odp: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content
Re: Avant-garde trombone?
Re: What's he building in there ?
Fwd: ZORN INTERVIEW
Sydney (Australia) bassists/musicians/vague Zorn relation...
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:52:38 EST
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
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would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in
"Arcana: Musicians on Music"?
thanks
ben o.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0500
From: Nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations?
sergio luque <sergio@tomate.com.mx> wrote:
> could you give me some recommendations?
nefertiti, the beautiful one has come (revenant)
- -his trio with jimmy lyons and sunny murray, 11/62
recording live in copenhagen. sound quality is
+/- but the performance is brilliant.
historic concerts (soul note)
- -duo with max roach, 12/79 live at columbia u.
very nice intro to cecil as it serves up both
performers solo, then they go at it together.
suprisingly high level of interaction.
and of course cecil is still going at it, so
there's a lot of material out there.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:06:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations?
- --- sergio luque <sergio@tomate.com.mx> wrote:
> since you are the people i trust, could you give me
> some recommendations?
I love:
1. WINGED SERPENTS (SLIDING QUADRANTS) by Cecil's
"Orchestra of Two Continents," recorded in the earlier
Eighties; a strange ride with undeniable Ellington
Band parallel in the train-like chugging of one track
(second?). Brilliant, essential taylor.
2. The Cecil Taylor Unit recordings on New World.
CECIL TAYLOR UNIT and THREE PHASIS, I believe; maybe a
third as well. Ronald Shannon Jackson drops the depth
charge funk (if you will) all over Taylor's extended
comps for a tremendous band; muscular, joyous, riotous
stuff.
3. CONQUISTADOR and UNIT STRUCTURES (Blue Note).
Mid-late Sixties Taylor; vintage work, excellent
playing; the roots of the recordings on, say, New
World. I personally prefer CONQUISTADOR. Maybe
"more" essential, albeit less refined.
4. Any of the stuff on HatArt, which seems to be more
and more rare. I wish they would reissue the two
GARDEN solo discs before anything "terrible" happens.
Oh well. ONE TOO MANY SALFTY SWIFT AND NOT GOODBYE
might not be the place to start, but it's a doozy; two
and a half hours of strong attack; I really like
Ramsey Ameen's (?) violin playing on these live
recordings, but I get the vibe that his contributions
are generally dismissed as second-rate.
Best,
- ---s
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:13:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: You're No Good
- --- Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> wrote:
> It's a full price double disc, but well worth it,
> imho. As is often the
> case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my
> normally
> Riley-resistant hands.
I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to
my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in
Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included
with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the
beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES,
attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to
recommend some Riley?
BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional,
but is anyone going to the series of Riley
performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers
care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in
the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately.
Best,
- -----s
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:13:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: You're No Good
- --- Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> wrote:
> It's a full price double disc, but well worth it,
> imho. As is often the
> case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my
> normally
> Riley-resistant hands.
I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to
my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in
Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included
with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the
beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES,
attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to
recommend some Riley?
BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional,
but is anyone going to the series of Riley
performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers
care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in
the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately.
Best,
- -----s
__________________________________________________
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http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:31:13 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: GREAT BARCELONA CONCERT
Hi everyone!
After a last moment venue change caused by trouble
with the usual concert room, Ellery Eskelin, Andrea
Parkins and Jim Black performed last Friday 26 an over
2-hour concert at the Teatre Maldß, in Barcelona's
Barri G≥tic -Gothic Quarter-, an old Theatre from the
XVIII century -approximately.
The room was really tiny and quickly packed with
approximately 40/50 people eager of good music in the
city.
The show was divided into two parts. The first one was
devoted to presenting the new CD of the trio HatOlogy
- -"The Secret Museum". They opened with "The Way to Get
There" and continued with past pieces from "Jazz
Trash" and "Five Other Pieces (+2)". They also covered
an Eugene Chadbourne's tune from "Beauty and The
Bloodsucker". They took 15 minutes off and we seized
the opportunity to have a couple of cigarettes in a
row -Eskelin expressly asked not to smoke in the room.
The second part began, if my memory's not that bad,
with their cover of Coltrane's "India". That's where
everyone of us began to get astonished by Black's
playing. Eskelin tried with 3 new yet untitled pieces.
They were increasingly complicated and proved that we
all must look forward to further works by this group.
Another cover followed, this time Mahavishnu
Orchestra's "The Dance of Maya", which was simply
superb.
As a conclusion in comparison to their former visit to
Spain I would say that the trio was much more
balanced. In their previous performance I had the
impression that every movement was leaning on Black
and partly on Eskelin. Last Friday I sensed Parkins
much more integrated and fluid. There was less space
for Black to impress but everyone played its role
perfectly.
Luckily tomorrow, Tuesday 30, we'll enjoy Ribot's
solo. I don't know exactly what to expect and that's
what I like the most.
Greetings,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW
Hi!
I've been trying to send the interview for the whole
weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? Have
there been any problems with the general list address?
Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a
text inside a message? Please let me know.
If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some
friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if
suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message entitled
"ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION".
Regards,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:05:40 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content
- ----- Original Message -----
From: &c. <parksplace@hotmail.com>
> I saw mention to Circle in the round in context of Miles's Fusion days. I
"circle' is a kind of compiltion of unreleased tunes. The disc (actually
it's a double CD) itself was released in the late seventies (but i may be
wrong here). It includes tunes for his first quintet, seciond quintet (an
incredible piece called 'side car', full - about 30 mins - version of which
was released on Quintet box set few years ago), and some 'in a silent way' -
BB period stuff. The 'fusion' stuff, actually a bit more in the vein of
'silent way' is very interesting. But one could also wait for the relesae of
the interim period (parts of 'filles the kilimanjaro', second side of 'water
babies', 'in a silent way') Miles box (does anybody knows something about
its relase date?). This is IMHO the most interesting moment in his playing.
BTW i recently bought an excellent Miles bootleg (forgot th title, on Jazz
Door) from 1969, with DeJohnette, Corea, Holland, and Shorter. Very
interesting: the band plays the bb tunes already along with a Monk tune.
Also got a 2CD boot called 'another bothes brew'. Those are 2 concerts from
Belgrade.The first shortly after DeJohnette had left the band, but before
Foster has replaced arrived - just before the 'live evil' live material. I
forgot the name of the drummer (sorry, i do not have my cds at the place
where i write emails), but if anyone's interested, i'll post the info. It
features Mtume and Alias on percussion, Henderson om bass, Jarret, and Bartz
on sax. Very good. The second one is of his 'guitar' band of Foster, Mtume,
Lucas, Cosey, Henderson, and Liebman, and is as always excellent.
> date makes little sense because Bitches Brew, the alledged first fusion
> release, wasn't until '69. Is the information I'm getting wrong?
Actually, the first band considered as fusion was Tony Williams Lifetime.
Their first disc was released in '67 or '68, and the original lineuconsisted
of TW, John McLaughlin, and Larry Young on drums.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:22:19 -0300
From: "J.A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone?
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Did anybody mention Peter Zummo or David Taylor ?
J.A.
Fastian@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
> writes:
>
>> I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
>> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there
>> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
>> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live
>> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm
>> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> Maurice Rickard
>> http://mauricerickard.com/
>>
>
>
> I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
> left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
> Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have
> a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds
> ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
> playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
> it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
> Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
> back. Cheers,
> John Threadgould
> np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet
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Did anybody mention Peter Zummo or David Taylor ?
<p>J.A.
<p>Fastian@aol.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>In a message
dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>writes:</font></font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>I'm
trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>friend of mine, and I'm
not coming up with any good ideas. Are there</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>any trombonists out there
doing stuff that, well, fits in with the</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>kind of thing we discuss
here? Y'know, improv, maybe live</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>electronics, someone stretching
the vocabulary or something. I'm</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>probably overlooking the
obvious, so any suggestions would be great.</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Thanks!</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>--</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Maurice Rickard</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1><A HREF="http://mauricerickard.com/">http://mauricerickard.com/</A></font></font>
<br> </blockquote>
<p><br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>I think I've gone through
all the suggestions and here are a few I think were</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>left out. Hans Anliker,
Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Christman. Does anyone
know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>a cd he made with Tony Malaby,
Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars
4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>playing. I assume
he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>it. Malaby also made
an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Winds, a band I remember
putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>back. Cheers,</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>
John Threadgould</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers
4tet</font></font></blockquote>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:52 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Re: What's he building in there ?
After thouroughly checking the place... and the lyrics... and a
couple of neighbors... i've reach the conclusion that He... is building a
box with his wife inside (He's pounding nails into a hardwood floor... and
I swear to god I heard someone moaning low... and "I heard he has an
ex-wife in some place called Mayors Income, Tennessee"). she is heavly
drug'd ("But there's also enouth formaldehyde to choke a horse... ").
this because in his time in Indonesia ("he used to have a
consulting business in Indonesia..." ) he got into trouble with Opium
traders... and his wife found out... and she didn't liked it... and...
oh well, do you know that story of E.A.Poe about a fella that
kills an old man and hiddens him under the floor?
greetings,
Ricardo Reis
"NON SERVIAM"
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:24:19 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: ZORN INTERVIEW
- --- efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> escribi≤: >
Fecha: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET)
> De: efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es>
> Asunto: ZORN INTERVIEW
> Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>
> Hi!
>
> I've been trying to send the interview for the whole
> weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine?
> Have
> there been any problems with the general list
> address?
>
> Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a
> text inside a message? Please let me know.
> If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some
> friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if
> suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message
> entitled
> "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION".
>
> Regards,
> EfrΘn del Valle
>
>
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> correo con
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:24:51 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Sydney (Australia) bassists/musicians/vague Zorn relation...
Apologies for the location-specific email...
Firstly, are there any list members from Sydney who play bass (electric or
acoustic) and would like to play interesting music and make lots of money?
Same question for musicians in general, minus the lots of money part : )
And just to get something Zorn-related in here, the What Is Music? festival
is coming up, February 18th-23rd in Sydney and February 25th-March 7th in
Melbourne. Artists include list-related stuff like Tony Buck, Makigami
Koichi, Jon Rose, and of course festival-runners Oren Ambarchi and Robbie
Avenaim. Plus there's some stuff that has nothing to do with this list but
they just have funny names, like the Poo Touchers... So there you go.
Julian.
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