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Zorn List Digest       Friday, January 19 2001       Volume 03 : Number 250



In this issue:
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       is the new KF sampler available?
       Re: Tim Berne
       RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions
       RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions
       Re: Tim Berne
       jeb bishop duets
       Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)
       Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)
       bernard parmegiani recommendations?
       Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)
       |emergency|
       Re: |emergency|
       marty ehrlich
       Re: bernard parmegiani recommendations?

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:17:00 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: is the new KF sampler available?

    The KF advertises the following record:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - VIBES - KNITSAMPLER: various artists

  This record features DJ Spooky, Graham Haynes, Sex Mob, Liminal Lounge,
  Zohar, Pachora, William Hooker/DJ Olive, Friends of Dean Martinez, Gary
  Lucas, Operazone, Rashied Ali and Louie Belogenis, John McLaughlin, Roswell
  Rudd, Thomas Chapin.

    2000 (?) - Knitting Factory Records (USA), ??? (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Any idea if it is really out?

Also, Q is reviewing a new Susan McKeown record (LOWLANDS on Green Linnet).
There is a mention of "clarinet". Could it be Chris Speed?

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:33:54 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0500  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> I'm a huge fan of Marty's, and would gladly recommend all of his discs, but as a
> short list, don't miss last year's fantastic 'Malinke's Dance' on OmniTone and
> 'Can You Hear a Motion?' from '94 on Enja.  He's also got a fine collaborative
> trio with Michael Formanek and Peter Erskine on Enja, 'Relativity.'  There's a
> duo CD on Muse with bassist Anthony Cox that's out of print but highly

Not to mention the gorgeous:

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109 - SOJOURN: Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble

    Recorded at Sacred Noise Studio, in February 1999
    Produced by Marty Ehrlich

  Marty Ehrlich: clarinet, soprano; Erik Friedlander: cello; Mark Helias:
  bass; Marc Ribot: guitar.

    1999 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7136 (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:45:31 -0500
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions

Hi

I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive answer...

1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years (maybe a
little more) with various drummers.  I recall a November 1997 show with Ben
Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain on drums.
I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one other
drummer whom I'm forgetting.

2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny
Wollesen on drums.  After the first few times, they began calling the group
emergency and toured Europe with that lineup.  I'm pretty sure Emergency
defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at Tonic
about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as
Emergency.

Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some way to
search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other venues.

JM

NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> [e-mail]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions
>
>
> my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he has two
> questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn knowledge:
>
> 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio?
>
> 2) how long have they called themselves emergency?
>
> replies offlist or on, thanks.
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
> -
>


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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:50:19 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions

If my hazy memory is correct, I think the name Emergency was first used
when Zorn played at the old KF with John Patton and possibly Ribot and I
don't know who was drumming, maybe Joey Baron. They appeared on one or
maybe 2 of those Live at the Knitting Facotry radio programs (which I have
most of on tape somewhere). I think once they were billed as "John Patton"
though. I don't know who's idea the name was or if perhaps Mr. Zorn has
adapted the name to any organ combo he plays in.

Rob



At 03:45 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Jim McLoughlin wrote:
>Hi
>
>I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive answer...
>
>1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years (maybe a
>little more) with various drummers.  I recall a November 1997 show with Ben
>Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain on drums.
>I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one other
>drummer whom I'm forgetting.
>
>2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny
>Wollesen on drums.  After the first few times, they began calling the group
>emergency and toured Europe with that lineup.  I'm pretty sure Emergency
>defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at Tonic
>about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as
>Emergency.
>
>Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some way to
>search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other venues.
>
>JM
>
>NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill"
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail]
>> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
>> [e-mail]
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions
>>
>>
>> my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he has two
>> questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn knowledge:
>>
>> 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio?
>>
>> 2) how long have they called themselves emergency?
>>
>> replies offlist or on, thanks.
>>
>> Jon
>> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>>
>> -
>>
>
>
>-
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:36:41 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne

"Patrice L. Roussel" wrote:

> Not to mention the gorgeous:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 109 - SOJOURN: Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble

Not to mention that immediately after I wrote my post and hit "send," my mail arrived
and included a new duo CD by Marty and Myra Melford on the Arabesque label, 'Yet Can
Spring.'  It's coming to stores in February.  I'm only one track in and the first
word that comes to my mind is "bluesy," in a real good way.  Includes originals by
both plus covers of Robin Holcomb and Otis Spann.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Marty Ehrlich & Myra Melford, "Yet Can Spring," 'Yet Can Spring' (Arabesque)
...taking a break from listening to all the classical Grammy nominees for a writing
assignment...


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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:45:58
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: jeb bishop duets

>Hey , spotted Jeb Bishop's Duos album on OKKA (I think) for 10$ used, >is
>it worth picking up?

Unless this is the duo CD with Joe McPhee called Brass City, which is on
Okka, it is probably the 98 Duets CD on Wobbly Rail (they have somewhat
similar packaging to Okka, and that disc has a lot of Okka-associated
musicians: Gustaffson, Vandermark, Hamid Drake, etc.).
If I were going to get something on Wobbly Rail, I would get the
AALY/Vandermark discs, the John Butcher/Phil Durrant disc, the George Grawe
disc ... then the solo Steve Lacy and Leo Smith discs ... then one of the
other three which I haven't heard. In other words, the label (from my old
hometown) has some good albums, but I would pass on this one unless you have
a really high tolerance for sparse, pecking-around, feeling-each-other-out
improv (a few decent tracks excepted). Maybe someone disagrees though.

WY




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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:14:38 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)

At 12:45 AM 1/18/01 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>on a related topic, I'd be curious to hear more opinions regarding Ryoji
>Ikeda's Matrix. I was a huge fan of +/- when it was released, as some here
>may recall, but Matrix seems to me like a pretty static installation piece
>which I find a chore to actively listen to. I seem to be in the decided
>minority though, which is what makes me curious.

Probably no one on this list is a bigger fan of drones than I am, but I
haven't 'gotten' the first disk yet either.  I've listened to it on
headphones, without much effect, but this is predictable given that the
instructions are to form one's own intrapersonal musical experience as you
move about the space in which the music is playing.  I've tried that too,
and got bored.  The second disk is better, but nothing we haven't heard
from him before, and not as ground breaking for me as the noisy disk of
Time and Space.

Speaking of avant-garde electronica, I see our friend Fernando Lopez has
started his own distributed label, which will consist exclusively of
collaborations.  The first releases, on the Seattle branch, feature one
with Michael Northam (an up-and-coming drone artist who's worked with ORA
and John Grzinich on some beautiful releases), and one with Amy Denio (!).
Future releases with the likes of John Duncan and Zbigniew Karkowski are
advertised.  Should be interesting.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:27:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)

In a message dated 1/19/01 6:14:38 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I see our friend Fernando Lopez has started his own distributed label >>

Caleb, of course, means Francisco Lopez, unless he's developed a new persona
in which he only does Abba tunes.

OK, speaking of drones, I'm off to the Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Monsters of
Drone extravaganza at Tonic.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:02:55 -0600
From: sergio luque <[e-mail]>
Subject: bernard parmegiani recommendations?

howdy!



      i've just heard the parmegiani track (_phase/hors phase_  from _dedans
dehors_) available on the ohm anthology,  and i do  want to hear more of
him.




     any recommendations?




                        thanks in advance.

____________________________________________________________________________
sergio luque                                            [e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:14:34 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica)

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:14:38 -0500  "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> Speaking of avant-garde electronica, I see our friend Fernando Lopez has
> started his own distributed label, which will consist exclusively of
> collaborations.  The first releases, on the Seattle branch, feature one
> with Michael Northam (an up-and-coming drone artist who's worked with ORA
> and John Grzinich on some beautiful releases), and one with Amy Denio (!).
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

According to Amy Denio's web site, Lopez is her lover (that's the way she
put it).

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:23:12 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: |emergency|

the first time I saw this group at the knit with bobby previte, the
buzz was that the band was a tribute to larry young, the organ player
from tony williams trio with john mclaughlin. The band was titled
emergency. John medeski, at one point with mmw, had a lot of the grungy
sound that young empolyed during his emergency days, imo. Originally
for that first gig [was it the first?] they were billed as playing the
music of larry young, that might have been a KF blunder.

Are there any recordings of this group floating around? I am sure bruce
has copies stockpiled at dmg. What I would give to run through his live
recordings. I feel that perowsky is the most successful drummer to work
with that goup. He is incredibly responsive and limber, and takes the
group in different directions in the segways. I think that kenny tends
to lay out a bit for my taste with a group like that. I have not seen
the recent shows, that might have changed.


- --- "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> If my hazy memory is correct, I think the name Emergency was first
> used
> when Zorn played at the old KF with John Patton and possibly Ribot
> and I
> don't know who was drumming, maybe Joey Baron. They appeared on one
> or
> maybe 2 of those Live at the Knitting Facotry radio programs (which I
> have
> most of on tape somewhere). I think once they were billed as "John
> Patton"
> though. I don't know who's idea the name was or if perhaps Mr. Zorn
> has
> adapted the name to any organ combo he plays in.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> At 03:45 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Jim McLoughlin wrote:
> >Hi
> >
> >I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive
> answer...
> >
> >1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years
> (maybe a
> >little more) with various drummers.  I recall a November 1997 show
> with Ben
> >Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain
> on drums.
> >I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one
> other
> >drummer whom I'm forgetting.
> >
> >2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny
> >Wollesen on drums.  After the first few times, they began calling
> the group
> >emergency and toured Europe with that lineup.  I'm pretty sure
> Emergency
> >defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at
> Tonic
> >about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as
> >Emergency.
> >
> >Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some
> way to
> >search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other
> venues.
> >
> >JM
> >
> >NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill"
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [e-mail]
> >> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> >> [e-mail]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions
> >>
> >>
> >> my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he
> has two
> >> questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn
> knowledge:
> >>
> >> 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as
> a trio?
> >>
> >> 2) how long have they called themselves emergency?
> >>
> >> replies offlist or on, thanks.
> >>
> >> Jon
> >> www.erstwhilerecords.com
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >
> >
> >-
> >
>
> -
>


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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:09:41 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: |emergency|

Hello Jason,

Friday, January 19, 2001, you wrote to me:

jt> Are there any recordings of this group floating around? I am sure bruce
jt> has copies stockpiled at dmg. What I would give to run through his live
jt> recordings.

Well, you can easily find some Emergency live recordings on places
like etree.org, but, according to my conversation with Bruce at their
last show, guys are not going to make an official album ever because
it will kill the energy of the music.

jt> I feel that perowsky is the most successful drummer to work with
jt> that goup. He is incredibly responsive and limber, and takes the
jt> group in different directions in the segways. I think that kenny
jt> tends to lay out a bit for my taste with a group like that. I have
jt> not seen the recent shows, that might have changed.

I actually don't like Perowsky so much, but every time I see him his
playing seems better for me. But I should say that, although this
summer Tonic show with him was great, the one with Kenny Wollesen at
Mercury Lounge was more than much better. It was not only because of
Kenny definitely, but he added a lot of stuff to the music and he also
sounded like a normal member of the group rather than a supporting
person.

BTW, I wonder why Wollesen was not mentioned in any announce or
schedule? I was really upset when people at the show were asking who
is that guy every now and then.

- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/



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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:30:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: marty ehrlich

In a message , the amazing steve smith wrote:

<<I'm a huge fan of Marty's, and would gladly recommend all of his discs, but
as a
short list, don't miss last year's fantastic 'Malinke's Dance' on OmniTone and
'Can You Hear a Motion?' from '94 on Enja.  >>

dear steve, yes indeed.
also, as leader on the 'julius hemphill' ensemble on
new world records' "at dr king's table" probably still
available at broinc.com for 2 bucks.
also, just got in the mail today a new arabesque myra/marty duo.
havent yet played it... all this damn mail,  ya know? LOL.
i also love his playing in the braxton pno quartet on leo,
which, if i may plug myself... i just reviewed with some
other nifty weirdness in my 'incredible risks' column at lafolia.com..
 with many errors still to be corrected.  (dont kill me:
i was drunk when i typed rbt wyatt instead of jack bruce
you'll know where)
....love to all
steve the monkey king koenig
n.p.: hamud al junayd: trad yemenite songs,
nimbus ni 5481 (also $2 @  broinc.com)
incredible stuff, worth at least 25! :)

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:58:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: bernard parmegiani recommendations?

In a message dated 1/19/01 7:03:56 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< i've just heard the parmegiani track (_phase/hors phase_  from _dedans
dehors_) available on the ohm anthology,  and i do  want to hear more of
him.  any recommendations? >>

most of the INA-GRM discs are currently out of print, but de natura sonorum
and la creation du monde are the places to start. the double disc with dedans
dehors (INA-GRM 1012-1013) is also very good. I think at least some of these
are being reissued again soon.

don't start with the Plate Lunch disc even if it's the only one you can find,
it's far from his best work.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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