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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #248
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 248
In this issue:
-
Re: Sun Ra Album
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Hot Fives
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
ZORN COMPLETE INTERVIEW
ANOTHER ZORN EXCERPT-ZORN'S CONTRADICTIONS
SPANISH SCENE
Re: SPANISH SCENE
FS: Painkiller, Schutze, Vidna Obmana
Re: SPANISH SCENE
november/ giuffre
Re: SPANISH SCENE
top 10 cds of 2001
apologies -- no JZ
Update re: Koch and Tzadik
Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik
Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik
Louis Armstrong
music in paris
Re: Louis Armstrong JSR box
Louis Armstrong
barry guy in NYC
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:37:43 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Re: Sun Ra Album
I'd say that a super double album introduction to Sun Ra would be "Live at
Montreux," which came out on the Inner City label in the early 70s. Don't know
if it's on disc.
Nice, insane synth noise, piano sweetness, and beautiful saxophone blasting.
"&c." wrote:
> A Sun Ra double album was mentioned several monthes ago. It was billed as a
> good introduction to his music. I lost the email that contained the
> recomendation. To who ever gave me the original recommendation, could you
> jog my memory?
>
> Zach
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:39:26 -0500
From: Pierre Toussaint <m223024@er.uqam.ca>
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuellec=
d.com
Maybe not exactly electronic music, but anyway. His last concerts in
Montr=E9al were certainly more electronic than his first turntable
experiments.
David Kristian- Cricklewood http://www.alien8recordings.com
David Kristian- Room Tone http://www.alien8recordings.com
Most of is stuff is interesting.
Oval- ovalprocess http://www.thrilljockey.com
It's the only one I know but I was told that it's not is best.
Speedy J- A Shocking Hobby
Speedy J- Public Energy no. 1
Maybee not that avant-garde, but noisy enough for some.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:22:00 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Hot Fives
In a message dated 1/17/01 2:29:21 AM, you wrote:
<< Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say
> something about the Columbia remasters being inferior>>
tho i havent done a 1-on1 comparison,
i love the sound on my c.1978 UK 5 Lp box from EMI/World records
steve koenig
n.p.: david krakauer: a new hot one (label bleu)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:57:51 -0500
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Hello,
>Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuelle=
cd.com
I still have to hear this one, but their previous album, _Dur Noyau Dur_,=
was=20
quite nice in my opinion...
>Maybe not exactly electronic music, but anyway. His last concerts in
>Montr=E9al were certainly more electronic than his first turntable
>experiments.
Do mean the one at Casa del Popolo with Jason Talbot (thank you very much=
by=20
the way), Howard Stezler and Michael Bullock? His set was nice, but I fou=
nd=20
the improvs with Jason Talbot and Howard Stezler more interesting.
Tschuss,
Mathieu
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:45:11 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
In a message dated 1/18/01 12:00:26 AM, belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA write=
s:
<< >Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuelle=
cd.com
I still have to hear this one, but their previous album, _Dur Noyau Dur_, wa=
s=20
quite nice in my opinion... >>
it should be noted that on Dur Noyau Dur, they play their primary=20
instruments, guitars and turntables respectively, while on Qu'ou=EFs-je?, th=
ey=20
play daxophone and synth, so they're not especially comparable.=20
avant-garde electronic music is a pretty vast field currently, as=20
demonstrated by the range of responses to the initial query. there's a=20
recommended list on my site, listing my favorite releases from last year.=20
shockingly, most of them involve electronics in some way.
on a related topic, I'd be curious to hear more opinions regarding Ryoji=20
Ikeda's Matrix. I was a huge fan of +/- when it was released, as some here=20
may recall, but Matrix seems to me like a pretty static installation piece=20
which I find a chore to actively listen to. I seem to be in the decided=20
minority though, which is what makes me curious.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:40:58 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: ZORN COMPLETE INTERVIEW
Hi there!
I'll be happy to send the complete interview to all
who asked for it. I should say though, that you will
have to be a little patient since I'll have a couple
of really busy weeks: exams at the University and lots
of work in my job -I'm an Acquisitions and Sales agent
in a Film Distribution Company.
Please be patient! I promise I'll send as soon as
possible.
Also note that the issue of that magazine is pretty
devastated. No pictures on it anymore.
Again, don't worry about the delay, I'll send it!
Greetings,
EfrΘn
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:52:07 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: ANOTHER ZORN EXCERPT-ZORN'S CONTRADICTIONS
Hi everyone!
Here goes another excerpt taken from the book
ITINERARI OLTRE IL SUONO: JOHN ZORN (Materiali
Sonori). From a Zorn's article from 1992 entitled:
"L'Atalante".
"...visually, L'Atalante is without doubt Vigo's most
supreme achievement, and one of the pinnacles of film.
He has mysteriously found a way to express our deepest
feelings in strange surrealistic images- AND UNLIKE
THE SELF-INDULGENT ARTISTIC POSING OF A DIRECTOR LIKE
DAVID LYNCH, WHOSE IMAGES ARE SHALLOW AND PRETENTIOUS-
VIGO'S IMAGES HAVE A RESONANCE..."
Can anyone imagine why Mr. Lynch appeared in Elegy's
acknowledgements? Note that the article and the piece
were released the same year!!!
See you,
EfrΘn
P.D: You can find more info on this book at:
http//:www.matson.it
e-mail: matinfo@matson.it
It's a bilingual edition in Italian and English.
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:07:30 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: SPANISH SCENE
Dear Rudy,
Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish
scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you
asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single
record by any Spanish artists.
There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small
group of musicians that was quite into
avant-garde/electronic music. Within that group the
most household name is Mark Cunningham, from NYC and
former member of the defunct MARS, who moved to
Catalu±a many years ago- a decision I cannot
understand at all. He's played with RAEO, a collective
that blends electronics and improvisation that never
made a dent on me. I would say that their music is
pretty gratuitous.
Sorry about my awful impressions. I can assure that my
economy suffers the "import fever" but I'd rather
spend double the price of a domestic release than
listening to so much garbage.
As a conclusion, I would say that most of the Spanish
bands were trying to be Sonic Youth about five years
ago. Right now they're either bad imitations of
Tortoise or directly mainstream pop with no interest.
Worst of all is when they try to be "modernly
electronic".
Maybe you heard about Pascal Comelade. Not that bad
but he's a French-born musician despite his living in
Northern Catalonia.
Greetings,
EfrΘn
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:47:20 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE
At 10:07 AM 1/18/01 +0100, efr=E9n del valle wrote:
>Dear Rudy,
>
>Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish
>scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you
>asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single
>record by any Spanish artists.
>
>There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small
>group of musicians that was quite into
>avant-garde/electronic music.=20
Isn't Pan Sonic based in Barcelona (I know they're originally from
Scandinavia)? And how about everyone's favorite ultra-minimalist,
Francisco Lopez?
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
------------------------------
Date:
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: FS: Painkiller, Schutze, Vidna Obmana
I have the following items for sale that
some on this list may be interested in.
Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.
If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER.
$28 -- Painkiller - "Execution Ground" US 2CD (Subharmonic) 1995
[Autographed by Zorn, Laswell & Harris (not personalized).]
$20 -- Paul Sch=FCtze - "Deus Ex Machina" AUS CD (Extreme: cd001) 1989
[Excellent debut for Extreme. A 59 minute soundtrack piece,
"Panic Heat Vengeance", for the "DEM" installation. Out of prin=
t.]
$25 -- Vidna Obmana - "Revealed By Composed Nature" ITA CD
(Hic Sunt Leones: hsl005) 1993 [Early work by this
Belgian ambient artist. Guest appearance by PBK.]
Thanks for looking.
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:20:19 +0100
From: "Ari" <ari.h@wol.be>
Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE
>>Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish
>>scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you
>>asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single
>>record by any Spanish artists.
> Isn't Pan Sonic based in Barcelona (I know they're originally from
> Scandinavia)? And how about everyone's favorite ultra-minimalist,
> Francisco Lopez?
And the pianist Agusti Fernandez...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:28:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Hywel Davies <hywel99@yahoo.com>
Subject: november/ giuffre
Has anyone heard releases on the November label, apart
from the "theremin noir" cd which has been mentioned
here previously?
also, has anyone got details of a Jimmy Giuffre
release "Olympia 1960-66"? thanks...
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE
Far be it from me to but in about the scene in
Barcelona, since I was only there once about a decade
ago and didn't even see any music --or signs of any
outside of pop-rock.
However, Efran and others, what about the improvising
pianist Augusti Fernßndez?
He has recorded discs with Evan Parker, Marilyn
Croispell, William Parker and Susie Ibarra that IMHO
sounds quiet good.
Ken Waxman
- --- efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es> wrote:
> Dear Rudy,
>
> Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish
> scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you
> asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a
> single
> record by any Spanish artists.
>
> There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small
> group of musicians that was quite into
> avant-garde/electronic music. Within that group the
> most household name is Mark Cunningham, from NYC and
> former member of the defunct MARS, who moved to
> Catalu±a many years ago- a decision I cannot
> understand at all. He's played with RAEO, a
> collective
> that blends electronics and improvisation that never
> made a dent on me. I would say that their music is
> pretty gratuitous.
>
> Sorry about my awful impressions. I can assure that
> my
> economy suffers the "import fever" but I'd rather
> spend double the price of a domestic release than
> listening to so much garbage.
>
> As a conclusion, I would say that most of the
> Spanish
> bands were trying to be Sonic Youth about five years
> ago. Right now they're either bad imitations of
> Tortoise or directly mainstream pop with no
> interest.
> Worst of all is when they try to be "modernly
> electronic".
>
> Maybe you heard about Pascal Comelade. Not that bad
> but he's a French-born musician despite his living
> in
> Northern Catalonia.
>
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:46:40 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: top 10 cds of 2001
1. Matthew Shipp's New Orbit
..to be continued.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:20:06 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com>
Subject: apologies -- no JZ
i have been notified that james genus the bassist is not james janisse the
deeJay. i will clam up now.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:55:00 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Update re: Koch and Tzadik
As it turns out, your mole on the downtown scene was handed a duff piece
of info. Koch International is still "proudly" distributing Tzadik,
Avant, DIW and Knitting Factory. I've got this straight from the VP for
whom I used to work five years ago, so it's reliable. The only label
dropped was Table of the Elements/Xeric.
Sorry about the panic.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:43:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik
- --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
[re: Koch] The only label
> dropped was Table of the Elements/Xeric.
When you mentioned in your earlier post that the TotE
stock had been effectively "impounded" by Koch, what
does that mean? Sorry, I don't know music
distribution very well; why isn't the stock returned
to the label? And BTW, does anyone know what the
status on the Table of the Elements website? I mean,
it's been vacant for weeks now, maybe months; I'm
curious if anyone knows what's happening.
Best,
- ----s
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------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:56:12 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik
In a message dated 1/18/01 2:44:31 PM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes:
<< And BTW, does anyone know what the
status on the Table of the Elements website? I mean,
it's been vacant for weeks now, maybe months; I'm
curious if anyone knows what's happening. >>
what web site is this? the only one I ever recall seeing from them was
www.tonyconrad.com which was up when they released his box set, and had info
about other TOTE stuff, but was never updated.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:25:09 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Louis Armstrong
Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4
on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon?
Zach
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:04:15 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: music in paris
Hi!
I was just wondering, does anyone know of a good place or two in Paris to
get "our" kind of music (hehehe, whatever that is. Well, I suppose any
zorny, matt shippish, brotzmanny avant-jazzish downtown music gallery kind
of stuff will do)? Also, any tips on used CD stores there in general would
be quite cool.
thanks,
- -Matt Teichman
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:44:36 -0600
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: Louis Armstrong JSR box
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>Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4
>on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon?
>
>Zach
>
>-
Zach,
I'm listening to my newly arrived JSP Hot Fives & Sevens as I typo this
reply: CDNow has the box, for something like US$17.77 + shipping. It's
hidden rather far down in the full listing of Satch items, but worth
finding. The sound, by the way, is wonderful. The box is made from rather
flimsy cardboard, the same as the recent Columbia Mingus box (or Blue
Note's box of Lee Morgan's Lighthouse set; or Nessa's box for their AEC box).
I can't imagine anyone listening to the Hot Fives/Sevens and ever wondering
again why Pops remains an awesome figure in improv.
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:25:09 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Louis Armstrong
Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4
on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon?
Zach
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:25:32 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: barry guy in NYC
sorry, Brian, it's not the much awaited LJCO performance, but maybe this'll
tide you over.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
February 20 at Tonic (www.tonicnyc.com):
Maya Homburger & Barry Guy plus Marilyn Crispell, Barry Guy & Gerry Hemingway
at 8:00pm, $10 Double Bill
Maya Homburger & Barry Guy: A rare NYC appearance from England's leading
improvising bassist, Barry Guy. Guy founded the London Jazz Composer's
Orchestra in 1970 and has also worked with John Stevens' Spontaneous Music
Ensemble, Trevor Watts, Derek Bailey, Evan Parker, Bill Dixon, and many more.
In this set he teams with violinist Maya Homburger for a more classical
exploration. The two have recorded one album for ECM called "Ceremony."
Marilyn Crispell, Barry Guy & Gerry Hemingway: Marilyn and Gerry have been
perhaps most visible in Anthony Braxton's groups in the 80's and 90's, but
have been playing as a duo and in a variety of other projects in the past two
decades as well. This meeting with Guy promises to be a memorable one.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
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