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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #246
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 246
In this issue:
-
re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
Re: Armstrong's best 5
Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
charles tyler and residents
ZORN INTERVIEW (EXCERPT)
Re: 20th Century's most important musician
Re: 20th Century's most important musicians (Zappa)
a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question
Armstrong box, misc bad packaging
Re: a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question
Re: bobby previte new CD (and nasty rumors)
Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
Zorn Discography
Avant Garde Electronica
Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
late Tim Berne thoughts
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Odp: bobby previte new CD
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:42:33 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
..and you won't want to miss Roy Campbell's Shades and Colors of Trane at the
Brecht Forum on the 10th!
kg
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:06:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Armstrong's best 5
Scott:
The guide boosted the John R. T. Davis remasterings
released on the JSP label. Check your local big record
store or e-mail suplier for availability.
Ken
- --- Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis
> > Armstrong
>
> While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing
> the
> new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say
> something about the Columbia remasters being
> inferior
> to remasters done by a smaller company, and released
> on a small, independent label? Does anyone know
> about
> these releases, if they are still available?
>
> Thanks, sorry for the OT,
>
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- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:10:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
Steve:
No need for a seeparate list, since NYC is centre of
the world anyways. And you and others can keep those
future recs coming. With Manhattan and travel prices
we outta city peons need at least a few weeks warning
to get the $$$ together to try to get to NYC.
Ken
- --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> Sorry to piss off anyone not here in New York -
> perhaps we should think
> about creating a sub-list for New York-based
> performances like they have
> in so many other cities! - but there's so much good
> jazz coming up in
> February, I just had to spread the word. And hey, I
> suppose that if
> you're out of town and see something here to die
> for, there's still time
> to book tickets... ;-)
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:17:36 -0400
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: charles tyler and residents
Hey, in response to an earlier question, the Steve Reid who plays drums on
Charles Tylers - Voyage from Jericho is indeed a different person than the
Steve Reid from the Rippingtons!!! he's an amazing drummer who has a truly
incredible album out - Steve Reid - 'Odyssey of the Oblong Square.' Both this
album and the Voyage from Jericho (which includes Arthur Blythe on two tracks)
remind me of a bunch of squirrels, juiced up on cocaine, frantically running
around the forest stocking up on nuts for the winter season.....fantastic
stuff.
Regarding an earlier post, I completely forgot about mentioning the REsidents
- - Duck Stab album, when talking about my favorites, this DEFINITELY is one of
their best, in fact I would say, top 3 or 4. Yes, Renaldo and the Loaf is
another strange band associated with the REsidents who I also like, I don't
think you've really lived until you've heard - REnaldo and the Loaf - Arabic
Yodelling!
wudz.
oh ya, Tim Berne had on his website a number of months ago that a follow up
Big Satan album would be "out soon" the notice disapeared, and i've heard
nothing since, anyone know anything about this???
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:33:23 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW (EXCERPT)
Hi everyone!
There goes the excerpt from that interview I
mentioned. Please accept my apologies for my poor
English translation. (Hugo, no te preocupes, cuando
tenga un momento te lo envφo en espa±ol/Hugo, don't
worry, when I find the moment I'll send it to you in
Spanish.).
From "Factory" #4, 1994.
"And with regards to your new band, Masada, when, why
and how was it born?
Two years ago I just decided to focus on composition
because I felt that pieces like "Elegy" or
"Kristallnacht" were the best I had done and were one
of the reasons why I was on this planet, and I thought
that if I left my other activities aside and
concentrated on composition more pieces would come up,
so I stopped playing. After six months I was so bored
and lonely that I realized that I only saw my friends
when I had to rehearse and that this pieces need years
to be created. And what do I do in the meantime?
Devote to other things like playing, producing,
travelling, collaborating with other artists and
writing. I need all of that. Masada was born because I
decided to play sax again, and it is a way to spread
traditional Jewish music, bringing the classical forms
of Hebrew folklore into Miles Davis'jazz and Ornette
Coleman's harmolodics, mixing it all, finding new
paths in Jewish music."
I'm so sorry this is very brief but I don't have more
time. If someone finds it extremely interesting I'll
be happy to scan the entire interview and send as an
attached file.
Again, sorry about the mistakes. Hope it helps clarify
the reissues affair in some way.
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:47:31 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musician
on 1/16/01 1:06 PM, stevespangler at
stevespangler@mail.otterweb.alumlink.com wrote:
> If you're talking about influence on other artists then I'm afraid the list
> should be a little less interesting especially in the Blues category. I would
> say that Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughn are much more influential than B.B.
> King or Ray Charles. It's sad but true.
>
What makes you say this? I don't know of a lot of people who have come out
and said that they tried to sound like Stevie Ray Vaughn, but there are a
whole lot of people who have said that about Ray Charles, and if they didn't
say it, they should have owned up.
- --Mike
- --
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:01:01 +0100
From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.com>
Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians (Zappa)
I think anyone with some feeling for music should place Zappa in the
toplist, but in which catergory? Jazzrock? Experimental rock? Classical
(...)? I think Zappa should be in his own category..
Jeroen
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands
t +31(0)503634676
f +31(0)503632209
jeroen@cyberslag.com
www.cyberslag.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- -
> What about Frank Zappa? I don't know why but many
> people seem to have forgotten about him.
>=20
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- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:19:55 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question
Zorns
I've asked this before, but does anyone have accurate song titles for
the Keiji Haino album "Watashi-Dake" (Only Me) and tracks 4
(Fushitsusha), 7 (Kousokuya), 8 (Haino) from the first Tokyo Flashback
cd?
Maybe there aren't any.
The Haino discography online is silent on the issue.
thanks,
Matt
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:00:45 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: Armstrong box, misc bad packaging
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Anyone considering buying the Sony-Legacy Hot Fives & Sevens box should
decide against it...
I've got it (upgrading from the old shitty 1987 Columbia single-discs), and I
love the sound and certainly the tunes. but the packaging is so BAD. mine
came apart with the usual wear, and the cds themselves slip right out of the
packaging. additionally, the glue that holds the paper sleeves together has
been known to get on the discs (!). sometime in the next week my plan is to
call Sony and have them send me another disc 2, which has got plenty of this
glue on it, causing playing problems. the artwork is great, as are the
essays, etc, but I now keep the discs in seperate cases.
I have the same problem with the 24-disc Duke RCA set. the paper sleeves are
a really shitty design... and the binding of the beautiful book lasts about a
week until the pages come apart... and to think I used to complain about the
bad packaging of my Miles box sets!
an award has to go to Savoy for their Live Charlie Parker Royal Roost set.
that set is perfect in every way (esp musically!).
Does anyone have the Mosaid 18-disc Nat Cole Trio set that came out several
years ago? Any comments?
Cheers,
Dave
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Anyone considering buying the Sony-Legacy Hot Fives & Sevens box should
<BR>decide against it...
<BR>
<BR>I've got it (upgrading from the old shitty 1987 Columbia single-discs), and I
<BR>love the sound and certainly the tunes. but the packaging is so BAD. mine
<BR>came apart with the usual wear, and the cds themselves slip right out of the
<BR>packaging. additionally, the glue that holds the paper sleeves together has
<BR>been known to get on the discs (!). sometime in the next week my plan is to
<BR>call Sony and have them send me another disc 2, which has got plenty of this
<BR>glue on it, causing playing problems. the artwork is great, as are the
<BR>essays, etc, but I now keep the discs in seperate cases.
<BR>
<BR>I have the same problem with the 24-disc Duke RCA set. the paper sleeves are
<BR>a really shitty design... and the binding of the beautiful book lasts about a
<BR>week until the pages come apart... and to think I used to complain about the
<BR>bad packaging of my Miles box sets!
<BR>
<BR>an award has to go to Savoy for their Live Charlie Parker Royal Roost set.
<BR>that set is perfect in every way (esp musically!).
<BR>
<BR>Does anyone have the Mosaid 18-disc Nat Cole Trio set that came out several
<BR>years ago? Any comments?
<BR>
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>Dave
<BR></FONT></HTML>
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- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:15:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question
A secondary question: which TF comp had the Sugimoto
(??) guitar ensemble featuring Yoshihide? Or am I
off-base with this?
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:20:19 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD (and nasty rumors)
on 1/14/01 2:00 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote:
> Your mole on the scene,
Hey Mr. Mole--
("it's brown, it lives underground, it's myopic...)
Ummm... what happens to the resources if a place like KNIT shrivels up and
dies? I mean, I'm sitting here dreaming of one day (maybe in a few years if
I can ever make a VISION Fest) stopping by and aksing Can I Please scrounge
around in your back room Mr. Knit and find out the goddam session dates of a
few of these CDs you put out with miserably incomplete info? I'll say it
nice. Same deal with WKCR. They have APOGEE tapes, what the hell? And
unidentified Shipp Trio broadcast tapes... I'm curious as to where all this
stuff might end up. Or even: WHERE IS IT NOW?
Closets?
Backrooms?
And no one has time to deal with it.
I've even tried a few times to find some eager beavs to hit the vaults
(closets, backrooms) in my stead since I'm a ways away. No luck, ever.
Thinking my discographing self to death,
RL
----------
Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE.
Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN.
Also:
--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops
--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? :
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:05:34 -0000
From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> mentioned:
> 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri
> Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn
Excuse my ignorance, but who are the last two named musicians? I assume a
bass player and drummer, but more than that...?
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:17:49 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zorn Discography
Has the idea ever been kicked around of expanding the Zorn discography? It
isn't very user friendly and pretty cumbersome. I know there are some web
developers in our midst (nice site Maurice). Making the beast searchable
and maybe aesthetically pleasing seems like a pretty good idea.
Zach
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:19:11 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Avant Garde Electronica
Is there any interesting elctronic avant garde music being put out? Does
any one have any suggestions or recommendations?
Zach
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:55:58 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow!
Alastair Wilson wrote:
> Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> mentioned:
>
> > 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri
> > Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but who are the last two named musicians? I assume a
> bass player and drummer, but more than that...?
Don't feel ignorant - I should have anticipated the question. James Genus is
a towering (literally) young bass player who hails from mainstream circles
and plays in Douglas's quartet and sextet. Penn is a young drummer who also
spends most of his time in the mainstream. He blends power and precision
with the same kind of effortless, unflashy mastery and boundless joy of
playing that has marked such drummers as Jimmy Cobb, Billy Higgins and Lewis
Nash. I've long wanted to hear him stretch out, and this would seem to be
the right occasion.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:57:42 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: late Tim Berne thoughts
My $.02 on the Tim Berne I know:
I agree entirely with Steve (or at least I think it was Steve) when he says
that the Bloodcount material on Screwgun has an edge which the JMT stuff is
lacking. For me JMT bloodcount is good but the screwgun stuff is just
better. The 3CD "unwound" box is great.
I haven't heard earlier JMT material but I believe "sactified Dreams" is
very available. I'd pick this one up before going for "fulton Street Maul."
as for paraphrase I prefer the second recording "please advise."
the ducret guitar trio on screwgun is also worth your while.
BTW- in this whole 20th cent discussion has Hendrix come up? -- I guess we
were trying to stay away from rock(?)
Matt Wirzbicki
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:37:58 EST
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
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Most Erstwhile and Mego releases, including Thomas Lehn (Bart w/Marcus
Schmickler), Fennesz (anything), and Pita (Get Out). Other interesting folks
include Vladislav Delay (also VD as Uusitalo is really cool), Oval, Thomas
Brinkman (and his alter ego Max.Ernst), and the new Ryoji Ikeda "Matrix"
double CD is simply sublime.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Most Erstwhile and Mego releases, including Thomas Lehn (Bart w/Marcus
<BR>Schmickler), Fennesz (anything), and Pita (Get Out). Other interesting folks
<BR>include Vladislav Delay (also VD as Uusitalo is really cool), Oval, Thomas
<BR>Brinkman (and his alter ego Max.Ernst), and the new Ryoji Ikeda "Matrix"
<BR>double CD is simply sublime.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:10:55 -0500
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
Hello Zach,
>Is there any interesting elctronic avant garde music being put out? Does
>any one have any suggestions or recommendations?
I recently purchased the following albums and I really enjoy them:
- - Brume - Krieg (Intransitive)
- - Kapotte Muziek - The Use of Recycling (Intransitive)
- - Francisco Lopez - Belle Confusion 969 (Sonoris)
- - Francisco Lopez - Untitled #104 (Alien8 recordings)
- - Daniel Menche - Crawling Towards the Sun (soleilmoon recordings)
- - Metal Tastes Like Orange (Okura/Muller/Sugimoto/Yoshihide) - Secret
Recording 1 (AMOEBiC)
This being said, I am not a specialist when it comes to electronic music and
other members of the list could probably give you better suggestions...
Hope it helps,
Mathieu
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:57:45 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica
TDWR:
http://www.pfmentum.com/pith.html
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:25:02 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <degan1@telisphere.com>
Subject: Odp: bobby previte new CD
<Marcin says that Steve says>
> > Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the
> > Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across
> > Europe, can't get a gig
> > or a deal in the U.S.
>
> did they record anything? ( and why don't they play somewhere
> in central Europe?)
>
> Marcin Gokieli
There are tapes of a couple of really superb FM broadcasts from their
European tours floating around. I mean, they're really so good I'm
surprised they can't get any attention in the States. It IS really '80s
downtown material though. Maybe that's the problem. I have exactly the
same problem with Horvitz's 4+1 Ensemble. They play European tours
regularly, but haven't played in Seattle for almost three years now, in
spite of the fact that everyone in the band lives in Seattle. I asked Wayne
once to let me know when the band was next on tour so I could arrange a
trip. Wayne's theory (as I understood it) about the European market for
Jazz and other things cultural is that it's a remnant of the cold war.
Where the Americans competed with the Communist world in terms of military
might, Europeans were competetive in the cultural arenas. Of course there's
no point in competition of that sort any more, and I wonder if support for
creative music will fade in Europe as well.
Marcin, have you heard anything about WSJD '01 yet? I heard that Zony Mash
is going to be there this year. I understand Zony Mash is working on
booking the whole festival circuit over there. Anyone know who else is on
tour?
- - Dave
- -
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