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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #241
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Zorn List Digest Monday, January 15 2001 Volume 03 : Number 241
In this issue:
-
while we're talking about thurston
Zorn on "Brain in a Box" box set
morricone
Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
re: Following Zorn
good news for tim berne fans
Re: Ennio Morricone
Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Re: Ennio Morricone
Re: Ennio Morricone
Any RESIDENTS recommendations?
Re: bobby previte new CD
The Fall (was: bobby previte new CD)
Re: Any RESIDENTS recommendations?
Tim Berne Recommendations?
Re: Tim Berne Recommendations?
Re: bobby previte new CD
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:13:55 -0500
From: "matt krefting" <mkrefting@hotmail.com>
Subject: while we're talking about thurston
...
i guess i'll go ahead and plug another show w/ the moore/cline/parkins trio.
this one will be at the Easthampton Town Hall in Easthampton, MA and will
feature the Kim Gordon/DJ Olive/Ikue Mori trio as well. the show is $5 and
starts at 8 on the 25th of january.
http://www.flywheelarts.org for more info.
matt
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:46:11 -0500
From: "stevespangler" <stevespangler@mail.otterweb.alumlink.com>
Subject: Zorn on "Brain in a Box" box set
Hello,
I've been away from this list for about a year, and I just recently rejoined. If this has been discussed already let me know.
There's a Zorn track on the "Brain in a Box" set that Rhino just put out. Does anyone know what the track is, or where it's available?
Steve Spangler
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:45:17 -0400
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: morricone
In response to your question about good Morricone, I would strongly rec. Mondo
Morricone as well. In addition I would rec. A Western Quintet on the DRG
label. I really enjoy both of these. I have just ordered a double Cd from
Amazon called Morricone - Cinema 70's which should be good, I'll let you know
after I hear it.
wudz.
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:45:35 EST
From: Brennansf@aol.com
Subject: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Hi, everyone,
I'm about to take to plunge into the work of Evan Parker and Joe McPhee, both
of whom I have been avoiding far too long, mainly because of the size of
their discographies which I find altogether intimidating. Any tips on where
to start and how best to navigate these two labyrinths will be greatly
appreciated. Apologies if this has already been discussed on the list. If
so, just reply privately.
Thanks!
Jerry Brennan
- -
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:17:13 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
While I'm a great fan of Evan Parker, I shall leave those recommendations to
others at present. But Joe McPhee - now there's a topic I can sink my teeth
into. I spent several weeks immersed in the entirety of McPhee's available
catalog in preparation for a feature story that will appear in the February
issue of Jazziz. From those investigations, I will recommend the following as a
Beginner's Guide:
1. Oleo & A Future Retrospective (hat ART 6097, 1993)
A great intro. Recorded in 1982, this was one of the last CD issues of McPhee's
great run of discs for the hat Hut family of labels. Remember that hat Hut was
originally established specifically to release McPhee's music, and he's
responsible for the first bunch of albums released. This is a quartet session,
nicely balanced between original material and idiosyncratic covers of
standards. When guitarist Raymond Boni enters on "Oleo," he sounds like a jet
engine suddenly kicking into gear. The CD includes over 30 minutes of
unreleased material.
2. The Watermelon Suite (CIMP, 1998)
The debut recording of Joe's empathic Trio X, with bassist Dominic Duval and
drummer Jay Rosen in some of their finest performances on disc. Joe limits
himself to soprano sax only, but it's a good intro to his later free improv, no
compositions style. The subsequent 'Rapture,' on Cadence Jazz, adds a
violinist/vocalist, and features a 45 minute version of "Lift Every Voice and
Sing" that's, well, rapturous.
3. In the Spirit (CIMP, 1999)
Two reeds players (McPhee and Joe Giardullo), two basses (Duval and Michael
Bisio), and a breathtaking collection of spirituals. McPhee didn't grow up in
the gospel church, but he's born to the style.
4. Nation Time (Atavistic, 2000) and Tenor & Fallen Angels (hatOLOGY, 2000)
Two early documents of McPhee's burgeoning art. 'Nation Time,' from 1970, is
straight out of Shepp's political bag and includes several r'n'b tinged vamps,
but has its moments of raw power and is revealing in the extreme. 'Tenor' was
recorded in 1976 and is a remarkable solo saxophone recital inspired by
Braxton. The CD issue includes a 15 minute piece, "Fallen Angels," recorded
live the next year.
5. Emancipation Proclamation (Okka Disc, 2000)
An overwhelming recent live duo CD with drummer Hamid Drake, featuring some of
McPhee's most unfettered tenor blowing paired with the drummer's characteristic
swinging verve.
6. The Dream Book (Cadence Jazz, 1999)
Another live duo CD, this time with bassist Duval. McPhee sticks to alto sax
and pocket trumpet for a suite of tunes inspired in the moment by the art of
Ornette Coleman, with each track decicated to a Coleman bandmate.
7. Topology (hat ART, 1989)
McPhee's largest ensemble (up to a tentet, and including Boni, Andre Jaume,
Irene Schweitzer, Pierre Favre and Radu Malfatti), recorded in 1981 in original
music and a rollicking cover of Mingus's "Pithecanthropus Erectus."
This just scratches the surface, but from here you can get the gist of McPhee's
art. Chances are these will inspire you to track down more. And keep an eye
out in spring for a Joe McPhee/Evan Parker tenor sax duo CD on Okka Disc.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Charles Mingus, "Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting," 'The Very Best of Charles
Mingus' (Atlantic Jazz Gallery/Rhino)
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:16:30 EST
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
is there a McPhee disco anywhere out in cyberspace?
jeff
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:24:28 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote:
> is there a McPhee disco anywhere out in cyberspace?
Yes, on his home page, run by the inimitable Margaret Davis:
http://users.rcn.com/eye/joe3.html
It's updated as of this month. Also, I note on the homepage that McPhee
is currently taking a break from touring in order to concentrate on
"large scale composition." Whoooo-hooo! It's been too long since
'Topology.'
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - George Benson, "Shark Bite," 'Breezin'' (Warner Archives/Rhino) -
hey, it's smooth, but it's way better than what we now call "smooth
jazz"...
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:18:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: re: Following Zorn
the dmg website keeps a list of upcoming recommended NYC shows, whcih
usually includes zorn appearances:
http://www.dtmgallery.com/
cheers,
whit
- ------------------------------------------
Whit Schonbein
Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Program
Department of Philosophy
Washington University
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/
whit@twinearth.wustl.edu
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:57:22
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: good news for tim berne fans
from the screwgun website:
"exciting new stuff: Tim recently recorded four (4) enormous suites for big
band, with featured soloists Herb Robertson and Marc Ducret.á As a little
taste of what will soon be available as a limited edition CD set, here are
two clips in MP3 and RealAudio format." [sound clips follow, see
www.screwgunrecords.com]
does anyone knw exactly how soon this is coming out??
wy
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:05:13 -0800 (PST)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone
i won't be recommending any since i am only just about
to dive into his ouevre myself but for what it's worth
there is a handy Morricone primer in the may 1997
issue of the wire issue 159.
it lists a number of recordings of his including Once
upon a time in america (which i have on order based on
steve smith's recommendation recently )
e-mail me if you're interested but can't track down
the article.
- --- Mary Dalton <dalton@iaa.com.au> wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good album as a starting point
> to exploring Morricone?
> I'm a bit reluctant to just go for 'the best
> of.........' because in my
> experience it usually isn't.
>
> cheers
>
> Astro
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:15:07 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations
In a message dated 1/14/01 3:46:47 PM, Brennansf@aol.com writes:
<< I'm about to take to plunge into the work of Evan Parker and Joe McPhee,
both
of whom I have been avoiding far too long, mainly because of the size of
their discographies which I find altogether intimidating. >>
I'll take a shot at Evan Parker:
Monoceros (Chronoscope)
Three Other Stories (Emanem)
Schlippenbach Trio-Elf Bagatellen (FMP)
Obliquities (Maya)
Live at Les Instants Chavires (Leo)
Most Materiall (Matchless)
Dark Rags (Potlatch)
this gives you a nice overview, plus they're all great records. check the
euro free improv site (www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/) for more info.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:26:25 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone
In the non-anthology realm, I can comfortably recommend to this group the
recently issued _Gli Occhi freddi della Paura_ on Dagored, from an early 70s
giallo (a/k/a _Cold Eyes of Fear_), which features the free improv group he was
involved with in the late 60s, Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza; the
CD includes about a half-hour's worth of outtakes, *all* of which are worthwhile
listening. (Unlike the other Nuova Consonanza albums, there's a definite pulse
to much of the music, propelling it into some ungodly and unique AMM-play-_In a
Silent Way_ spaces, I kid you not.) On my 2000 top ten.
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates
in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored."
-- Norman Mailer
np: Copperhead, _s/t_
nr: Susan R. Mathews, _An Exchange of Hostages_
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:01:04 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone
Hi!
The enormous variety of Morricone compilations are a
good starting point to know his music. However, there
goes a brief list of some of his most attractive
soundtracks:
"Once Upon A Time In The West"
"Once Upon A Time In America"
"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly"
"For a Few Dollars More"
There is also a label that released several CDs
classified thematically (westerns, noir films, etc)
which was pretty good too. I don't remember the name
but I suppose that is easy to find in the US.
Anyway, one must be very careful with Morricone's
awful "easy listening" versions. Most of his records
are quite cheap but there is a lot of garbage out
there. Beware of music for elevators!
Regards,
EfrΘn
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:03:42 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Any RESIDENTS recommendations?
Hi everyone!
I just got into THE RESIDENTS by buying their
"COMMERCIAL ALBUM". It was 50% boredom and 50%
intuition that there must be a lot of interesting
things in their discography. I know it has been
regarded as one of their best albums.
Could someone recommend something from their enormous
body of work?
Thanks in advance,
EfrΘn
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:13:26 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD
>From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>
>Like I said, this is all just supposition. But with any luck, Bobby will
>find a
>home for this release ('Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - The 23
>Constellations of
>Joan Miro') in the coming year. To my ears it's a throwback to the style
>of his
>Gramavision releases of the late '80s. But those are great, great records.
>Personally I think CRI/Blueshift should do it.
why not releasing it on his own label Depth Of Field or went it out of
business unfortunately after 4 or 5 amazing records?
Andreas
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:23:59 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: The Fall (was: bobby previte new CD)
>>BTW, I see someone mentioned that they were listening to The Fall,
Well - I did...
>> in my
>>opinion one of the greatest running groups in history, for anyone
interested
>>check out their album 'Perverted by Language' or for a great overview
of their
>>earlier stuff - 'palace of swords reversed.' Their newest
'Unutterable' is
>>also very good.
And yes, I agree. I do also think they are an absolutely excellent band.
Highly recommended!
Glad to see someone else on this list is into them!
patRice
nr: George Burchett, Memoirs of a Tattooist
np: Looping Home Orchestra, Live
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:59:37 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Any RESIDENTS recommendations?
efr=E9n del valle wrote:
> I just got into THE RESIDENTS by buying their
> "COMMERCIAL ALBUM". It was 50% boredom and 50%
> intuition that there must be a lot of interesting
> things in their discography. I know it has been
> regarded as one of their best albums.
>
> Could someone recommend something from their enormous
> body of work?
I really enjoyed the two circa-'80s compilations on Ryko, 'Heaven' and
'Hell,' for their overview of the band's best years. But I don't think
they're available anymore. Therefore, in addition to the disc you've
got (which I certainly would have recommended as third choice at least),
I don't think anything they've done in more recent years can touch their
masterpiece, 'The Third Reich'n'Roll,' and their strange epic 'Eskimo.'
I note that they'll be on tour in February, playing in New York and a
few other places. I'm thinking about going, for nostalgia's sake. And
that's not something I would ever have anticipated in considering the
Residents.
There's an excellent overview of their work at www.residents.com.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "In Everything," 'Sometimes the Magic' (Arabesque,
March 2001 release)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:22:05 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Tim Berne Recommendations?
Okay, I just got my first Bloodcount disc -- "Poisoned Minds" -- on Saturday
and have not stopped listening since. And I just ordered every currently
available Bloodcount disc from Forced Exposure. Finally, I just won an
auction on Ebay for Memory Select. Are Tim Berne's other projects as
exciting as Bloodcount? If so, where do I go next?
Many advance Thanks,
Tom
________________________________________________
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perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.
--Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:30:25 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations?
I'm really fond of the two Paraphrase discs, _Visitation Rites_ and
_Please Advise_. The first is harder and more Bloodcount-like, and
the second is somewhat quieter and sparser (IIRC...which I may not).
The Ornery People disc with Michael Formanek is enjoyable, but you
may miss having a drummer driving it. (I didn't, but it is rather
different from Bloodcount.) Now that I think of it, the Paraphrase
stuff seems to be improv, so that may be another difference. Still,
I like 'em all.
Enjoy the Berne,
Maurice
At 11:22 AM -0500 1/15/01, Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote:
>Are Tim Berne's other projects as
>exciting as Bloodcount? If so, where do I go next?
>
>Many advance Thanks,
>Tom
- --
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http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:41:14 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD
Andreas Dietz wrote:
> why not releasing it on his own label Depth Of Field or went it out of
> business unfortunately after 4 or 5 amazing records?
Depth of Field is on hiatus, perhaps permanently, perhaps not. When it was
dropped by Koch a few years ago, Bobby never managed to find the impetus or
funding to continue. There were four records released - 'Euclid's Nightmare'
by him and Zorn, 'Downtown Lullaby' by the two plus Wayne Horvitz and Elliott
Sharp, and discs by Susan McKeown & Lindsey Horner and Homer Erotica. Like
Zorn, Bobby wanted the label to be a widely-ranging expression of all kinds of
music. But Bobby lacked the marketing power to break the latter two acts, and
he doesn't have the same cult of personality that makes many people (myself
included) try an unknown Tzadik venture simply based on trust. Anyway, there's
no telling what will become of his plans to reissue his own early works, to
which he now owns sole rights, nor the long-promised box set by The Horse.
Regarding that Miro suite, Bobby has not sent it to Tzadik. He's been trying
to get it on a major label with a high commercial profile and some marketing
money and clout. It was turned down by one important German indie label with
fancy packaging that we talk about a lot here on this list. It's also been
sent to Atlantic and Nonesuch. I can understand Bobby's desire to get the
project out through one of these venues - he feels the music is the best thing
he's ever done, and he wants it heard by as many people as possible. And
that's not a bad objective. It just might not be a realistic one in today's
market climate. Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the
Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across Europe, can't get a gig
or a deal in the U.S.
Bobby told me last night, at a sparsely attended Jane Ira Bloom show (don't get
me started on THAT), that he's effectively given up on the U.S. and even New
York. I think that's a sad indicator of the financial realities of today's
constipated market. But I'm equally convinced that he could find an indie
outlet that would give him more attention than would any major label only in it
for the money. And I plan to continue to argue that point of view. Such
labels are certainly out there... Songlines, Palmetto and OmniTone are but
three of them. Songlines has quietly released some of the best jazz records of
the last decade, as you're already aware. Palmetto leans towards the
conservative, perhaps, but has found room for interesting projects by the likes
of Andrew Hill, Dewey Redman and Matt Wilson, to name but three. And for my
money, OmniTone is perhaps the best contemporary indie riding the line between
mainstream and out music, including amazing discs by Cuong Vu, Joe Morris,
Marty Ehrlich and the gorgeous upcoming Baikida Carroll CD 'Marionettes on a
High Wire' (due out in February, but I bought it at a jazz education conference
on Saturday). OmniTone is fast establishing itself as the Enja or Black
Saint/Soul Note of the '00s (the "Oh-Ohs"...?). And there are countless
others, but those are three I could envision taking an interest in this
specific music.
Hey, if I had the venture capital to start a label, I'd put Bobby's record out
in a heartbeat and find a way to target the marketing and promotion to reach
his audience and try to win converts. It's not exactly rocket science. The
trick is to sell enough to make the venture worthwhile. But ultimately, as Jon
and Tony Reif and the other label heads on this list will tell you, no matter
how successful such a venture may be, it had to be a labor of love or it isn't
worth the headache and heartbreak.
But if you're in need of a quick fix of Bobby, you can always order the Swami
Late Plate disc direct from his website at
http://www.bobbyprevite.com/flash_home3.html (note that you can only find this
link on the Flash version of the site, not the non-Flash version). There are
also dowloadable MP3 samples. Bobby refused to tell me anything about it, not
even who his partner on the record is. He also gleefully informed me that I
had missed the opportunity to be the first person in the world to order it -
that someone else had been the first to send in a check...
me: "Patrice Roussel, right?"
BP: (much laughter) "I'm thinking about taping the check to the wall, like a
restaurant tapes up the first dollar bill it gets..."
Wanna tell us about it, Patrice?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Dresser/Frith/Mori, "Bottle," 'Later...' (Victo)
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