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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #220 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, December 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 220 In this issue: - My own favourites, 'cause I wanna be a Pepper too. Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Speaking of Roxy Music... Yahoo! Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet(zorn content)/Ives western film scores Re: western film scores Re: western film scores RE: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Arcana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:39:19 -0500 From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca> Subject: My own favourites, 'cause I wanna be a Pepper too. A couple of favourite listening experiences and musical discoveries from the past year, just for the sake of sharing: - Blackalicious, "A2G": Yeah, it was released in 1999, but so was Mike Ladd's "Welcome to the Afterfuture", and I only stumbled upon it this past summer. Technique-oriented where Ladd concentrates on having something to say, it shows off Gift of Gab's awesome sense of rhythm and spontaneous command of the English language more effectively and energetically than the slower-paced but more ambitious "Nia". (For what it's worth, I've probably listened to the Ladd disc more than "A2G", but I still think that Gift is a far more accomplished rapper.) - Haunted House, "Up in Flames": Again, I only got around to buying the thing around the end of the summer, but I love it to death... it and Caspar Brotzmann's "Mute Massaker" have re-awakened my interest in the guitar as a brilliantly expressive tool. - Cooper-Moore, "Deep in the Neighbourhood of History and Influence": I don't even know when it was released, but it's a wonderfully expressive bit of music and story-telling that has the added bonus of having been recorded just down the street from where I was living at the time of the performance. (And, dammit, I didn't know about until two days after it had happened...) - Coil, "Musick to Play in the Dark, vol.2": It's beautiful, it's otherworldly, and it doesn't sound entirely like a bunch of dreary campfire songs, which the first one did a bit too often for my liking. Start-to-finish gorgeous. - Susie Ibarra, "Flower After Flower": Nice solo vignettes rounded out with gorgeous ensemble pieces... it's a well-balanced and beautifully-executed disc. - Legendary Pink Dots, "A Perfect Mystery": One of their first outings in years that I've really liked... not too heavy on the drugged-addled folk end of things, and able to convey some of the gravity-defying energy of their concerts once or twice (especially on the last track, which practically calls a mothership down from the ether after a couple of minutes). - Del the Funky Homosapien, "Both Sides of the Brain" and/or "Deltron 3030": They both have their shaky moments, and both pack just a bit too much filler to be considered great on their own merits, but Del is one of the most imaginative rappers out there right now... more MCs need to be willing to risk looking like goofballs if hip-hop is ever going to break away from the cliches of gangsta-ism. - Melt-Banana, "Teeny-Shiny": The rockingest rock record I've heard in years (though PJ Harvey's "Kamikaze" gets the nod for the single best rock song I've heard in *forever*), and all the proof that I'll ever need that the Japanese *do* get rock music from time to time. - Primal Scream, "Exterminator": Probably the second-best rock record of the year (it has one or two clunkers right in the middle), and one that dethrones PJ Harvey's "Is This Desire?" as my favourite blending of techno and rock to date. - The The, "Naked Self": Proof that pop songs on major labels don't have to suck, and all the inspiration that I'll ever need to want to become a recording engineer... there's so much going on in here that I *need* to be able to contribute to something similar to express my gratitude. - Myra Melford/Crush, "Dance Beyond the Color": I've given it another couple of days and another dozen or so listens, and it still fascinates me... there's depth and breadth here that I just don't feel in most jazz, and a healthy dollop of exoticism to add to the list of Good Things That Can Be Said About The Disc. - Ninja Tune's "Xen Cuts" comp: There's only a single disc's worth of brilliant material in here, but I'm not going to sneeze at the prospect of getting three discs' worth of pretty good material for less money than I pay for just about any single-disc import. - Saul Williams at Lee's Palace: The future of poetry and the future of rap, all at once. If he and his band can improvise something as crushingly powerful as the show that I saw back in October, then I can't wait to hear what they thought was actually good enough to commit to tape. - Kevin Drumm at the Music Gallery: As I've mentioned before, it was an ear-opener that has done me no end of good in terms of my approach to listening to *anything*. - Headtoast, Estradasphere and Secret Chiefs 3 at Lee's Palace: The PA at Lee's sucks rocks, but the enthusiasm in the first two performances and the flat-out skill in the last two more than made up for the muddy sound. Anybody who was disappointed by the Estradasphere album really does need to hear them live... there's a spark there that just didn't make it on to the CD. I'll shut up now. Thanks for reading. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 21:26:00 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different this is a great fairly unknown funk record from one of Miles Davis' wives, recorded in 1974, and reissued a few different times on CD (www.dustygroove.com has the current version, I believe). she recorded three records from 1973-1975, of which this is the middle one. the first self-titled one isn't quite as strong, and I haven't heard the third one yet. anyway, recommended for those of you who have already worn out your copies of early Funkadelic and late Sly and the Family Stone discs. it's not new, not newly reissued, just pretty great. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:07:29 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net> Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Jesse Kudler wrote: > Which one's this again? Anyone else heard any of the recent bunch of > Palestine CD's? I just picked up (in Italy, on vacation) one called "Continuous Sound Sources" or somothing (it's still packed), consisting of two long works, one for two harpsichords (1978) and his earliest piece for Boesendorfer (1971). Sounded ok on one discman hearing, though not as overwhelming as other works. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:39:43 -0800 From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com> Subject: Speaking of Roxy Music... Speaking of Roxy Music I read in today's L.A. Times that there was trouble on a flight from London to Kenya. A very troubled man came into the cockpit and tried to force the plane to crash. Crew and passengers stopped the man, but he did cause the plane to nosedive. Two of the passengers were Bryan Ferry and his wife. In the paper there was a photograph by one of the passengers of what was happening on the plane - even though he was facing death, Ferry looked very handsome and poised. Not a typical Roxy Music event, but still, looking cool to what he must have thought was the end. Happily it wasn't. I want to wish a very happy new year to Bryan Ferry and his family from a fan... - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:40:21 -0500 From: "Toula Ballas" <toulab@msn.com> Subject: Yahoo! People, Happy new year to all and thanks for all the words. If there was one thing I would like to see more of in 2001 it would be more reviews of live performances. Peace - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:08:55 -0500 From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Just looked to see if I could pick this up cheap on eBay (something that's becoming less likely as the company tries to solidify its financial standing with Wall Street) and noticed it going for $36 when you can buy it new from Dusty Groove for $14! I'd been interested ever since reading an ambivalent Christgau review that still sounded like a cool album but just never got around to tracking it down. LT - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:03:03 EST From: User384726@aol.com Subject: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet(zorn content)/Ives - --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it. This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass), Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in terms of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional squeaks and squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician are being restrained. But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album. I do prefer the Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not hearing it right. What did the rest of you think of this album? Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious. I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific. Thanks for any help. Happy New Year, Aaron Solomon - --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it. This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass), Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in terms of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional squeaks and squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician are being restrained. But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album. I do prefer the Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not hearing it right. What did the rest of you think of this album? Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious. I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific. Thanks for any help. Happy New Year, Aaron Solomon </HTML> - --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:39:17 +0000 From: Philippe Dupuis <dupuisph@nb.sympatico.ca> Subject: western film scores hello, being a fan of billy bob thorton in sling blade, simple plan and the apostle i was thrilled to see he had made a film of a cormak mcarthy (spelling is probably wrong here) book, so i went to see the darn thing and was terribly dissapointed afterwards. i should have known better when i saw the poster at the theatres. not that i thought billy bob was to be the greatest of directors, but i wasn't expecting him to pull off what he does with All the Pretty Horses. such a waste of time. the music was very bland and boring, swelling up at all the "emotional" parts with no shame. why aren't people getting competent musicians for scores these days ... bill frisell could probably dish out an AMAZING western score, maybe i'm just dreaming out loud here. must of hollywood is crap and it's going to stay crap and i'll probably get suckered in to seeing a few bad films now and again. which brings me to morricone, there is this 50$ import disk here called A FISTFULL OF FILM MUSIC, and i was wondering if it was worth picking up. get some REAL soundtrack work. has anyone heard the thing? shoop, shoop, martin dupuis - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:33:29 +0100 From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: western film scores >From: Philippe Dupuis <dupuisph@nb.sympatico.ca> >Subject: western film scores there is this 50$ import disk >here called A FISTFULL OF FILM MUSIC, and i was wondering >if it was worth picking up. get some REAL soundtrack work. >has anyone heard the thing? I own a double cd set whitch bares the title A Fistful of Sounds(BMG), which actually is the complete scores for A fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and Once upon a time in the west. I have not heard the compilation you mention, so I cannot comment on that, but what I can do is recommend A Fistful of Sounds. As you probably know there is some amazing music in all three of those films. In addition there is of course the soundtrack to The Good the Bad and the Ugly, which is brilliant. I usually steer away from Morricone compilations, trying to get hold of soundtracks for each film, but if I were to chose amongst the numerous compilation discs out there, I would chose Mondo Morricone and More Mondo Morricone(Coloseum Schallplatten). This is not western stuff, but more 60's - 70's Italian exotica stuff, and it has some great pop/cheesy classical crossover material. - - Marius _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:47:59 -0800 From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com> Subject: Re: western film scores on 12/31/00 3:33 AM, Marius Ergo at mariusergo@hotmail.com wrote: > Mondo Morricone and More Mondo Morricone I too would suggest in getting these collections. Wonderful music that makes one think 'Morricone is the greatest.' I just received Taboo and Exile - and I am really happy with it. Looking forward to getting home tonight for a second listen. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:24:46 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu> Subject: RE: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different just a few days ago a friend of mine was pushing this album pretty heavily. I heard it briefly...I liked her almost excessive screaming instead of singing. The singing seemed kind of minimal - mostly alternating between pitched yelling and speaking. Fortunately or unfortunately for me I haven't exhausted the early Funkadelic or late Sly material. Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. It was funny to me to see both betty davis and joe meeks mentioned here a day later. Matt Wirzbicki (who also heard Eno's "here come the warm jets" for the first time just this year) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:48:16 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different In a message dated 12/31/00 2:26:08 PM, M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: << Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. >> your friend has good taste. the Nascimento is one of my favorite Brazilian records, easily the best thing I've heard from him. happy New Year, everyone! Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:57:10 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Arcana - --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just begun reading Arcana:musicians on music, and i find it to be very interesting. Scott johnson's essay is incredibly well thought out and researched...his knowledge of evolution and social/biological sciences is immense. it is great to see someone trying to link different forms of music through research and actual understanding of various principles. however, i am having some difficulty understanding certain aspects of Frances-Marie Uitti's two bowed cello experiments. how exactly is the two bow cello used, held, fingered, etc.? and what do the triangular/semicircle diagrams represent? one other comment: john zorn's "essay" seems to be a little weak to me. it is just a rather pointless description of potential visual catalysts for a musical idea... ben - --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>I've just begun reading Arcana:musicians on music, and i find it to be very interesting. Scott johnson's essay is incredibly well thought out and researched...his knowledge of evolution and social/biological sciences is immense. it is great to see someone trying to link different forms of music through research and actual understanding of various principles. however, i am having some difficulty understanding certain aspects of Frances-Marie Uitti's two bowed cello experiments. how exactly is the two bow cello used, held, fingered, etc.? and what do the triangular/semicircle diagrams represent? one other comment: john zorn's "essay" seems to be a little weak to me. it is just a rather pointless description of potential visual catalysts for a musical idea... ben</HTML> - --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #220 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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