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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #216
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, December 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 216
In this issue:
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Re: Carla Bley Recommendations?
RE: chadbourne
Re: Carla Bley Recommendations?
Re: carla bley recommendations
Odp: Carla Bley Recommendations?
stock's hausen
steps across the border
Fwd: BEST OF 2000
Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass/ Workshop
Re: Best of 2000
Joseph Holbrooke '98
nina hagen <!JZ>
2000, while it lasts
Myra Melford
Re: exorkest
RE: computers/electronic music
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:30:51 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Carla Bley Recommendations?
>Hi there!
>
>I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's:
>"Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I
>found both excellent I was looking for something more
>similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique
>Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing"
>has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit.
>
>Can anybody recommend something in that vein?
"I hate to sing" is along the lines of the songs she wrote
for Nick Mason's solo LP "Fictitous Sports" but instead of Robert
Wyatt singing , Carla's band members handle the vocals(Hence the
title). Not entirely successful, IMO.
You'd probably be better off picking up the earlier stuff;
Dinner Music, European Tour,and Escalator Over The Hill. They have
more of what you seem to be looking for.
RW
- -
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:20:51 -0500
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@intelligenesis.net>
Subject: RE: chadbourne
Hi
> In a message dated 12/22/00 1:54:55 PM,
> owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
> << eugene chadbourne recommendations >>
To echo Steve's comments, his discography is a bit overwhelming, and I've
bought some discs I was less than thrilled with. That said, there is some
great stuff floating around. My favorites are "Vermin of the blues", which
has some great country covers, Bo-Didley is a Communist, and some reagan era
sound bites. The self titled "Insect and Western Party" is my favorite of
that series of music (including the live stuff I've seen). I'd second the
recomendation for "Strings" which has a nice balance of chadbourne's insane
style and beautiful renditions of Monk's Mood and Strayhorn's Daydream.
happy holidays...
Jim McLoughlin
- -
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Carla Bley Recommendations?
If it's tango-like movements with hearty soloists and
sense of fun, why not look into:
Carla Bley Band Live (Watt 12 -- 1982) and especially
Social Studies (Watt 11 --1981)
I agree with Rich re: part of European Tour disc, but
the final track made up of anthems of different
countries is a little beneath her talent (IMHO)
Ken Waxman
- --- Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> wrote:
> >Hi there!
> >
> >I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's:
> >"Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I
> >found both excellent I was looking for something
> more similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece
"Musique Mecanique".
You'd probably be better off picking up the earlier
stuff; Dinner Music, European Tour,and Escalator Over
The Hill.
_______________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca
- -
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:33:11 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Re: carla bley recommendations
efren writes:
<< I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's:
"Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I
found both excellent I was looking for something more
similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique
Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing"
has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit.
Can anybody recommend something in that vein? >>
hi efren,
i think given that you like these ( i agree about Mecanique! and
I Hate To Sing again delighted me with Carla after a few ho-hummers).
2 good ones (and i dont know what's in print)
is European Tour 1977 and Dinner Music.
also, in rockier vein, she produced and
arranged Nick Mason's "Fictitious Sports," on Columbia. He from
Pink Floyd, and the disc featuring a hilarious Phil Glass parody
"I'm A Mineralist." That sdisc features most of her band and also
Robert Wyatt. i also MUST plug the great new video of her
Escalator Over The Hill, in excellent sound and cinematography
just out, maybe, and available direct from the filmmaker Steve Gebhardt
at musicusmedia.com. (i am not involved except as a fan and
reviewer). if you want to take on something more ambitious,
carla's piece for jazz orchestra called "3/4" is one of my lifetime
favorite pieces and always will be in my heart and ears.
- ---happy holidays, all---
steve koenig
n.p.: sounds of the brasilian rainforest
(and are my cats getting edgy!)- sitelle records
- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:41:59 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Carla Bley Recommendations?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es>
> I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's:
> "Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I
> found both excellent I was looking for something more
> similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique
> Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing"
> has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit.
I love BBT. If you liked musique mechanique, you could try european tour.
less cabaret, but a great album from a similiar period.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:40:13 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: stock's hausen
In a message dated 12/22/00 1:51:02 AM,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? >>
i know it's a typo, but it's soo hard to resist the jokes...
thanks for making my day.
HymNen, i believe, is available from his own way-overpriced label.
steve koenig
n.p.: leos janacek: mladi- marlboro fest 50th anny (sony)
- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:46:27 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: steps across the border
Tom,
Bruce at Downtown Music Gallery usually keeps it in stock. In NYC, on E. 5th
St., or dmg@panix.com
kg
np: a liberace christmas
- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:01:40 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: BEST OF 2000
I forgot too many CD's not to re-send. Luckily latest
Tzadik releases arrived in Spain before the end of the
year.
>
>
> JOHN ZORN: "Trembling Before G-d"
JOHN ZORN: "S&M/Cartoons"
> JOHN ZORN: "Xu-Feng"
> SUSIE IBARRA: "Flower After Flower"
DEREK BAILEY& SUSIE IBARRA: "Daedal"
DEREK BAILEY/JAMALADEEN TACUMA/CALVIN WESTON:
"Mirakle"
> MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "The Dropper"
MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "Tonic"
MASADA: "Live in Sevilla"
> SATOKO FUJII: "Towards to West"
> NED ROTHENBERG: "Ghost Stories"
> TIM SPARKS: "Tanz"
> JOHN ZORN: "The Big Gundown" (re-release)
> FRED FRITH: "Traffic Continues"
> SUSIE IBARRA TRIO: "Radiance"
>
Some CD's I purchased this year but were released
> before:
>
> TIM BERNE'S BLOODCOUNT: "Unwound"
> BIG SATAN (Winter& Winter relase- can't remember the
> title now)
> MICHAEL FORMANEK: "Nature of the Beast"
> MARC DUCRET: "L'ombra di Verdi"
> CARLA BLEY: "Musique Mecanique"
CHARLIE HADEN: "Liberation Music Orchestra"
AGUSTI FERNANDEZ TRIO (w/ William Parker/Susie
Ibarra): "One Night at the Miro Foundation)
> JOHN COLTRANE: "Meditations"
CHARLES MINGUS: "At the Bohemia"
ORNETTE COLEMAN QUARTET: "This is Our Music"
ART ENSEMBLE OF CHICAGO: "Bap-Tizum"
CARLOS BICA & AZUL (w/ Jim Black/Frank M÷bus/Ana
Brandao): "Twist"
JOHN COLTRANE: "Ole"
JOHN COLTRANE: "A Love Supreme"
> JOHN COLTRANE: "Sun Ship"
CARLA BLEY: "Fleur Carnivore"
>
_______________________________________________________________
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> Consiga gratis su direcci≤n @yahoo.es en
> http://correo.yahoo.es
>
_______________________________________________________________
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- -
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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:50:17 EST
From: Eisenbeil@aol.com
Subject: Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass/ Workshop
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 25, 2000
Cecil Taylor will be conducting a month long workshop at the Turtle Bay Music
School in New York City during February 2001. This master class/ workshop
will meet twice a week during the month and then culminate in a concert.
The classes will be held on Wednesdays (Feb. 7, 14, 21) from 6-10pm and on
Saturdays (Feb. 3, 10, 17, 24) from noon to 4pm. The concert is scheduled
for Saturday Feb. 24 at 8pm.
The tuition for each participant is $300. This includes all fees for the
duration of the masterclass and concert.
This letter has been sent to you as an invitation for your participation.
Each musician must bring their own instruments. One bass amp will be
provided.
Turtle Bay Music School is located on 52nd Street between 1st and 2nd
avenues.
Payment should be sent to:
Turtle Bay Music School
244 east 52nd Street
New York, NY 10022
Payment for the tuition must be made by January 15th, 2001.
Payment will only be accepted in the form of a check.
All checks must be made payable to, Turtle Bay Music School and write on
the check, Cecil Taylor Masterclass.
Below is an application form.
Name: ______________________________________________
Address: ____________________________________________________________
Telephone: ____________________
FAX: ________________________
Email: ___________________________
Instrument: _________________________________
Experience: __________________________________________________________
Please direct all questions to Bruce Eisenbeil.
He can be reached by the following means:
Email: eisenbeil@aol.com
Fax: 212-888-2726
For more info and updates see: www.eisenbeil.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:43:34 +0100
From: Jeroen de Boer <jeroen@cyberslag.com>
Subject: Re: Best of 2000
Here are my lists...
Electronic/Electroacoustic:
. Tetsu Inoue _Fragment Dots_ , Tzadik
. Mikael Stavostrand _Lite_, Mitek
. Ambarchi/Fennesz/Pimmon/Rehberg/Rowe _Afternoon Tea_, Ritornell
. Alva Noto _Prototypes_, Mille Plateaux
. Dat Politics _Villiger_, A-Musik
. Raymond Scott _Manhattan Research Inc._, Basta
. various _Clicks_+_Cuts_, Mille Plateaux
. Max Tundra _Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be_, Domino
. Fransisco Lopez _untitled # 92_, Mego
. COH _Mask Of Birth_, Raster-Noton
. Otomo Yoshihide _Cathode_, Tzadik
. Fennesz _03_02_00 Live At Revolver, Melbourne, Touch
. Kid 606/The Remote Viewer _Split 7=B9=B9 picture disc, Limited Edition
Japanese Tour Single_, 555 Recordings
. Kid 606 _Straight Outta Compton_, V/Vm Test Records
Metal:
. The Dillinger Escape Plan _Calculating Infinity_, Relapse
. Spiral Architect _A Sceptic=B9s Universe_, Sensory
. Morbid Angel _Gateways To Annihilation_, Earache
. Nile _Black Seeds Of Vengeance_, Relapse
. Cryptopsy _And Then You=B9ll Beg_, Century Media
. Aghora _Aghora_, Code 666
Jazz/Improv:
. Masada _Live In Sevilla 2000_, Tzadik
. Pachora _Ast_, Knitting Factory
. Brad Shepik _The Well_, Songlines
. Dafeldecker, Fussenegger, Kovacic _Printer_, Durian
. David Maranha _Circunscrita_, Namskeio
. SFQ (Simon H. Fell) _selected pieces_ (promo), Bruce=B9s Fingers
Live:
. Supersilent, Kasino, Vienna, Austria
. Dillinger Escape Plan, 013, Tilburg, Netherlands
. THU20, Casa Electronica, Groningen, Netherlands
. Peter Rehberg/So Takahashi/Jake Mandell/Signer, Usva Theatre, Groningen,
Netherlands
. G=FCnther M=FCller, Voice Crack, Erik M., Konfrontationen, Nickelsdorf,
Austria
. Mikael Stavostrand/Andreas Berthling/Andreas Tilliander (Mokira)/Ronie
Sundin/Susanne Berggren, Usva Theatre, Groningen, Netherlands
Before 2000list
. John Zorn _The Bribe_, Tzadik
. Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M _Un_, meme
. Taylor Deupree, _.N_, Ritornell
. Polwechsel/Polwechsel 2, Hat Art
. Meshuggah _Chaosphere_, Nuclear Blast
. 20=B9 to 2000 series, Noton
. Pierre Schaeffer _L=B9Oeuvre Musicale_
. Ryoji Ikeda _0=B0C_, Touch
. Osso Ex=F3tico, Ananana
Nice Holidays!!
Jeroen
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands
t +31(0)503634676
f +31(0)503632209
jeroen@cyberslag.com
www.cyberslag.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- -
- -
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:56:44 -0500
From: Eric Ong <eso200@earthlink.net>
Subject: Joseph Holbrooke '98
Well, after a few listens, I find this Oxley/Bryars/Bailey disc very very
satisfying. Anyone else? I'm not great at describing music, so I'll leave
the review up to a professional. But, if I could make a few comments...
Bryars on bass really helps the music, great communication between him and
Oxley, I'm reminded yet again of Oxley's greatness (the man's got octopus
arms), etc. Hmm, perhaps not as cerebral as Soho Suites. Someone else jump
in here.
OTOH, I listened to the first few tracks of the new Haino(voice)/Bailey on
Incus and I'm thinking I'll save that fight for another day.
- -eric.
- -
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:27:18 -0800
From: "Martin Wisckol" <Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com>
Subject: nina hagen <!JZ>
anybody heard nina hagen's "om namah shivay"? is it really an indo thing?
sitars, sarod, tabla, ghatam? brief description?
merci.
- -
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:49:06 +0100
From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: 2000, while it lasts
Best Label : MA Recordings, try it @ www.marecordings.com
Best Recordings:
Pachora - Ast
Brad Shepik - The Well
Danny Zamir - Satlah
Satoko Fujii - Toward To West
Sera una Noche - Sera una Noche (MA Recordings)
Greetings,
Rob@llaert.NU
np: A Fine Line - Don Byron
"The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to
playing."
- -
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:12:22 +0100
From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Myra Melford
Hi Zorn-agains,
How essential is Myra Melford's Dance Beyond The Color (2000)?
Rob@llaert.NU
- -
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:47:21 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: exorkest
>From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
>
> > Andy Ex ? g; Terrie Ex ? g, b; Luc Ex ? b; Katrin Bornefeld ? perc; GW
>Sok ?
> > voc; Jaap Blonk ? voc; Han Buhrs ? voc; Michael Moore ? cl; Felicity
>Provan
> > ? tp; Roy Paci ? tp; Wolter Wierbos ? tb; Joost Buis ? tb; Ferrie Heyne
>?
> > tb; Ernst Glerum ? double-b; Wilbert de Joode ? double-b; Gert-Jan Blom
>?
> > double-b, bass mouth-organ, bass thumb-piano; Michael Vatcher ? perc;
>Wilf
> > Plum ? perc; Jan Mulder ? poetry; Hamish McKeich ? cond.
>
>Hi Andreas,
> Can you talk a little more about this record? I'm surprised that this
>is the first I've heard of it. d
>Do you know the story behind the orkest coming together? What's the record
>like, particularly compared to the other Ex stuff?
>
>Thanks,
>Jesse
I haven┤t heard an exorkest record and don┤t know if it exists. I only
reported that there was a recording session at a dutch radio station and
vague plans to release this stuff. I┤ll ask Michael Vatcher if there is
anything available...
Andreas
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- -
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:08:29 -0600
From: Jay Mote <mote@augsburg.edu>
Subject: RE: computers/electronic music
Hello Frustrated Samuel,
Some suggestions for music software:
ProTools - multitracking & effects (your friend is right)
- -the pitfalls of ProTools: expensive (with all the plug-ins and hardware
expenses), & it takes some time to get proficient using (but nice if you're
operating an analog recording studio in conjunction with ProTools).
Cakewalk - various music applications (see http://www.cakewalk.com/ )
- -a little easier to operate, can operate with ProTools as well, a little less
extensive than ProTools
Finale 2001 - notation software
This is pretty comprehensive composer notation software, but also works nicely
with the other applications I've mentioned. (see
http://www.codamusic.com/coda/ )
And one I've been having a lot of fun with lately that's cheap & easy (but
maybe a little cheesy for Zornies) is Band In A Box (see
http://www.pgmusic.com/ ). This simple application can also be used to
practice to - including a long list of standards and standard chord structures
to improvise over). Also, you plug in your own chords (including all extended
chords, as well), and it will spit out your songs in a variety of styles.
Change the tempo, key, etc. in the click of a mouse. Save your songs (w/melody
& soloist), add vocals, etc. For as small as this application is, it is
amazing what you can do with it. File size is relatively small for the bare
minimum of settings (i.e. no vocals, no add-ins). I'm guessing that some
people may even release (or have already released) Band In A Box material.
If your looking to break ground musically like the Zornies (avant & electronic
stuff), Cakewalk is what you want (looping, sampling, merging analog &
electronic sounds, analog synth sounds, etc.).
Remember, right now were on the cusp of technology in terms of hard drive
space, processors, updated versions of applications, etc. What you buy now may
be obsolete in a few years, so you may want to go with a simpler application
first - I'd suggest Band In A Box because it is pretty cheap.
I hope that helps you a little. Most studio folks are not using ProTools
exclusively. They incorporate all of their analog stuff with it (SMPTE). Those
people generally are partial to the analog environment, and they'll claim
ProTools recordings (even at 24-bit) are a little square-waved and not quite
as silky smooth as recording on tape.
Moter
jmote@bitstream.net
mote@augsburg.edu
(612) 782-3912
(612) 330-1053
www.hotheadfiasco.com
>===== Original Message From "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com> =====
>hey,
> i'm very frusterated. i'm getting a PC laptop soon... no matter what.
>(yeah, college student's mommy is buying it for him) i think i know
>generally what i want except that i would like to start getting serious
>about electronic music.
> i've played with many different programs including PROtools and related
>software, which a friend of mine says is the essential foundation for PC
>music makers. i don't know if he's actually right about this or not.
> i've looked around for info, i don't know where to go... so this is one
>of my last resorts. could someone tell me what is my best bet in software
>hardware blah blah blah... in order to keep my options open? i know this is
>probably a hard question to answer. otherwise someone could tell me where
>to go for information. respond in private unless it's relevant to zorn-list
>needs. thanks.
>
> -samuel (so frustrated)
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
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