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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #207
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 207
In this issue:
-
Henry Threadgill
tim berne: and DOGON A.D.
Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Re: zorn content...wow!
jump in january at the brecht
Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canadia !
take me off list
"obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
Re: "obscene" art
Re: take me off list
Re: "obscene" art
Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus
Re: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus
Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
Re: take me off list
Re: Bill Dixon
Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Re: "obscene" art
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:09:11 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <toulab@msn.com>
Subject: Henry Threadgill
Any reviews of the Henry Threadgill concerts at Knitting Factory last
weekend?
Paul
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:20:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: tim berne: and DOGON A.D.
I do not know if this is true---it is currently
hearsay---but I heard that Tim himself was actually
screwed out of money by a German company who owns the
rights to the Julius Hemphill _Dogon A.D._ recordings;
the idea was that he would get the rights to reissue
the recordings. I'm not sure if it's worth talking
about, but I admire Tim's devotion to keeping the
music of Julius Hemphill in circulation.
- ---s
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:28:51 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Rob Allaert wrote:
>
> Patrice,
>
> Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. You
> won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!!
>
weird... this didn't work with my copy! (are there maybe some sexy
pictures of you hidden there???)
but when i set fire to it, the ashes that were left over gave a shocking
image! the photo of the girl is nothing compared to the hidden ash
thing!
patRice
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:03:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: zorn content...wow!
- --- ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
> what did Zorn do in college?
> did he study composition?
>
> ben
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Just a plug there, now:
He did study composition, but dropped out after a year
or two, if memory serves (IMS). Studied saxophone
with Oliver Lake (IMS) and members of the B.A.G.,
which was modelled after or perhaps connected to the
Chicago AACM. I actually studied with Ken Stallings
(not to be confused with "Carl"), who "taught" Zorn
composition in the seventies. He is without a doubt
one of the "professors in skinny ties," that JZ
mentions in some liners notes (SPILLANE?), but he is
also a kind, patient man, who speaks in a very slow
voice. He was sweet enough not to laugh at my
"scores". Eh-heh. Strangely, I can't remember any
Zorn stories from profs; he helped stage some pretty
odd happenings, though.
- ----s
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:20:46 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: jump in january at the brecht
hi -- i know y'all might not have your 2001 calendars yet, but save this and
come by next month.
The Jump Women's Festival
January 12th & 13th
8pm til midnight
An eclectic cabaret of women performers. Poets, singers, musicians, writers,
mimes, dancers, philosophers, comedians and tricksters unite to bring you a
perfect intimate weekend that could only be available in the wild of New York
City.
Musicians: Akiko Pavolka, Hayena Kim, Jen Estaris, Carol lipnick, Diane Cluck
Dancers: Luciana Achugar, Levi Gonzolas, Lina Maria Jimenez, Marija Krtolica,
Julia Wilkins, Jennifer Kjos
Visual Artists: Hillary Hoffman-Harvey, Heather Weathers, Zoe Sonenberg, Fay
Ku, Brynna Tucker
Readers: Jennifer Deaderick, Jane leCroy, Jennifer Laskey
..and much more!
@ The Brecht Forum
(122 West 27th Street - 10th Floor)
$6 per night
The Creative Sound Workshop
January 13th 2-3pm
Music workshop for children of all ages
$ FREE $
Collaborate with musicians to explore creative thinking!
Hands on/interactive musical experience Introduction to the instrument families
(brass, woodwinds, strings, percussion) "Bring your family to meet the
instrument family!"
Learn the science of sound
Experience live musical story telling
Be part of a musical parade!
Kid Jam!
@ The Brecht Forum
(122 West 27th Street - 10th Floor)
Jump Festival Eleven
January 19th
8pm The Shoko Nagai Quintet
9pm JD Parran & Bern Nix
10pm Downtown Horns (Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Sabir Mateen)
11pm Ras Moshe's liberated Zone (Todd Nicholson, Matthew Heyner, Greg Stare,
Mat LaVelle, Ryan Sawyer)
January 20th
live painting throughout the evening by Les Seifer & M.P. Landis
8pm Aleta Hayes & Patricia Nicholson (dance) w/ special guests
9pm Alex Harding's Free Flow
10pm Billy Bang Solo
11pm Marc Edwards "Slipstream Time Travel" (w/Special Guests, Roy Campbell
Tor Snyder, Marc Edwards, Sabir Mateen)
@ The Brecht Forum
(122 West 27th Street - 10th Floor)
$6 per night
kg
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:34:14
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Speaking of this, has anyone looked at the "Cartoon S&M" CD yet. As Spinal
Tap would say, that too is a "rather lurid cover." I don't know if the
people in Canada would consider it more or less lurid though, since I have
not bought Taboo and Exile (or Cartoon S/M, so I don't know what's on the
inside of that).
WY
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:59:35 +1030
From: "sinkas" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canadia !
And if you really want the raw end of the shank, try playing the cd =
backwards, some really corrupting stuff there..
Case
Patrice,
Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. =
You
won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!!
> oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was =
anything
> more!
>=20
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:33:54 EST
From: LostinmyDreamz@aol.com
Subject: take me off list
Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant someone
help me get off of it
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:19:09 -0000
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?RulsaXg=?= <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little oriental
girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! there is
this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just like the
one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the back. and
then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover and some
sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a quotaion
from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my copy
back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could it be
that there are different versions of the cases/covers.
david fΘlix
- ----- Original Message -----
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
To: Julian <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
Julian wrote:
> > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something
> underneath the
> > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover...
>
> So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that
> is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the
> tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have
> seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way)
>
> -
oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything
more!
finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd
carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd
out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out!
patRice
- -
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:27:20 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
Ok, let me just clear this up totally so there's no more confusion. On my
copy, there's the cardboard cover, and when you take that off it leaves the
picture of the girl with a few sheets/blankets. Inside the booklet is a
selection of 4 pictures. When you take out the CD there is that track
listing thing with performers' names, times and everything. When you take
that out you see the white-on-white drawing, and if you pop out the tray and
take away that drawing you get another young girl picture, quite a bit more
explicit... I doubt there are different versions of the artwork unless you
bought it used and someone had taken out the hidden artwork...
> oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little
oriental
> girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! there
is
> this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just
like the
> one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the back.
and
> then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover and
some
> sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a
quotaion
> from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my
copy
> back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could it
be
> that there are different versions of the cases/covers.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:39:56 +0100
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Re: "obscene" art
Julian,
In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years
time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada Live
in Middelheim ;-)
Rob, Belgium
> Ok, let me just clear this up totally so there's no more confusion.
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:41:10 +0100
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Re: take me off list
Just push 'exit'
> Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant someone
> help me get off of it
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:45:04 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: "obscene" art
> In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years
> time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada
Live
> in Middelheim ;-)
So I take it you missed the photos of the band wearing nothing but their
instruments?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:54:08 -0800
From: "Mary Dalton" <dalton@iaa.com.au>
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
> finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent
cd
> carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the
cd
> out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out!
>
> patRice
Yeah me too! That's why i was confused. I had a circular piece of CD sized
paper with info on the front and back, sitting under the CD. But when i took
that out the 'hidden' picture was right there. I allways assumed the hidden
art was the white on white stuff that is almost impossible to see if you
don't shine it in the right light. I wonder if there are two different
versions.
Alex
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:20:14 EST
From: Drivymovie@aol.com
Subject: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus
Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential Black
Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot of them
sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em all. So any
help would be appreciated. Thanks!
- -Evan
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:51:16 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus
Drivymovie@aol.com wrote:
> Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential Black
> Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot of them
> sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em all. So any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Evan:
This is just the tip of the iceberg, and I know you'll get lots of good
recommendations. (Can't wait to see these myself...). I'm not going to check
the list to see what's on it and what's not; rather, I'll leave it to you to
judge according to your own taste which of these might be looking for. I'm
assuming based on a cursory glance the other day that the sale includes both
Black Saint and Soul Note, so I'll include both here with an indication of BS or
SN.
George Adams / Don Pullen Quartet: Live at the Village Vanguard V. 1 & 2 (SN) -
excellent post-Mingus inside-outside quartet
Air: Air Mail (BS) - legendary trio with Threadgill, Hopkins and McCall
Tim Berne: The Ancestors, Mutant Variations (both SN) - early, loose but still
powerful Berne with Paul Motian on drums
Lester Bowie: The Fifth Power (BS) - quintet with Arthur Blythe and Amina
Cludine Meyers
John Carter: Dauwhe (BS) - first installment of great "Roots and Folklore" cycle
completed on Gramavision
Dave Douglas String Group: Parallel Worlds, Five, Convergence (all SN) - some of
Dave's most intricate AND freewheeling writing
Formanek/Berne/Williams: Loose Cannons (SN) - the roots of Bloodcount, and some
of their eventual repertoire as well
Paul Motian Quintet: The Story of Maryam, Misterioso (both SN) - the great trio
with Frisell and Lovano plus Ed Schuller and the late great Jim Pepper
David Murray Octet: Ming, Home, Murray's Steps (all BS) - the three most
essential Murray records, especially the first two
Old and New Dreams: Old and New Dreams, Tribute to Blackwell (both BS) - Ornette
Coleman alumni association
ROVA Saxophone Quaret: The Works, Vol. 1 & 2 (& 3?) (all BS) - first two are
excellent in both performance and repertoire, think there may be a third now
Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet: Voodoo (BS) - Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Ray
Drummond in smoking bop set
Cecil Taylor: Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants), For Olim, Olu Iwa (all SN) -
rollicking large band, exquisite solo, and terror combo (which may or may not
include Brotzmann, depending upon who you ask), in that order
Henry Threadgill's Very Very Circus: Spirit of Nuff... Nuff (BS) - debut of this
particular raucous band
There are many, many others, but this is my sampler.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Cuong Vu, "The Drift," 'Bound' (OmniTone)
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:21:47 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !)
On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 07:19:09PM -0000, F=E9lix wrote:
> oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little ori=
ental
> girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! th=
ere is
> this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just =
like the
> one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the ba=
ck. and
> then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover a=
nd some
> sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a q=
uotaion
> from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my=
copy
> back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could =
it be
> that there are different versions of the cases/covers.
The packaging contains two different pictures of the girl.
- --=20
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:41:15 -0500
From: "Me" <frunobulax@mpinet.net>
Subject: Re: take me off list
don't you like us?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <LostinmyDreamz@aol.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:33 PM
Subject: take me off list
> Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant
someone
> help me get off of it
>
> -
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:39:53 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bill Dixon
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>
>also, anyone else yet heard the new FMP Bill Dixon which I was raving about
>here recently? opinions?
I┤ve heard this cd yesterday and it┤s simply one of his best. The lineup
with Tony Oxley and two bassists fits perfectly his music.
I was in Berlin a few days earlier to see the Brotzmann Tentet but couldn┤t
stay until Dixon. I think I really missed something...
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:30:21 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !
I haven't been able to find any more hidden material
on that CD. Maybe it's enough with that picture
anyway!
However, the fact that the CD has been withdrawn from
Canadian shops seems ridiculous to me. First of all,
because the artwork is visually fantastic in its
entirety. Secondly, I don't think that it should
affect anyone's morality.
Furthermore, there wasn't so much controversy about
"Torture Garden", at least in Spain. Put simply, some
liked it, some disliked, nothing more.
Does anyone still doubt that the masturbating girl is
not of legal age? Despite her beauty, she does not
seem to be more than 12 in my opinion.
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:32:44 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: "obscene" art
Rob Allaert wrote:
> Julian,
>
> In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years
> time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada Live
> in Middelheim ;-)
>
> Rob, Belgium
so rob: have you found all the hidden masada artwork? shocking, isn't it???
(not to mention the spillane booklet...)
patRice
np: milford graves, stories, tzadik
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