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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:53:00 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: zappa and criticism
In a message dated 12/16/00 12:04:56 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes:
<< I'll take the tendentious Adorno over the tendentious Penman. By the way
Scott, I think the blurb on the Ben Watson book you mentioned makes him
sound a lot like Adorno as well. >>
not that I know much about Adorno, but I'm pretty sure that Watson has openly
said that he's been a big influence.
also, I'm not a big Penman fan either, especially recently, but his Tricky
cover story a few years ago was superb, as I recall, easily the best thing
written about trip-hop's answer to Prince.
any opinions on the new Keith Rowe solo CD, Harsh (Grob)? I think parts of it
are pretty great, but I still feel like he hasn't released the solo
masterpiece he's capable of.
also, anyone else yet heard the new FMP Bill Dixon which I was raving about
here recently? opinions?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:14:22 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: Page 3 (Simply beautiful)
Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies,
or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =) no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download.
Taxis,
Andy Kaufman
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:27:05 -0500
>To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
>From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
>Subject: Re: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal
>
>At 11:55 AM +1100 12/16/00, Julian wrote:
>>A friend played me a cd of some sort of 'guitar
>>orchestra' with Hamilton on it, it was pretty avant-garde, kind of
>>Ligeti-ish in approach from memory.
>
>I'm going to guess that you're talking about Glenn Branca's Symphony
>No. 6, which is a damned impressive piece--particularly the
>sustained-tone sliding second movement. Maybe, IMO, the best piece
>Branca's done (which I say not having heard all of them).
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:05:06 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: zappa and criticism
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> any opinions on the new Keith Rowe solo CD, Harsh (Grob)? I think parts of it
> are pretty great, but I still feel like he hasn't released the solo
> masterpiece he's capable of.
Well, it's a safe bet to make my top 10 of the year. The first piece
struck me as quite similar to his set in Boston in October, which was
one of the finest shows I've seen in years. But I also like that he
varies his approach on each piece, not content to settle into even such
a beautiful "rut" as the first cut. I only recently picked up his
earlier solo disc, "A dimension of Perfectly ordinary Reality" from 1989
which I also find superb. Really, even independant of AMM, he strikes me
as an extremely deep artist, whom one can re-visit time and time again
and consistently unearth new riches.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:21:32 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Page 3 (Simply beautiful)
Hmmm. Good question. Let's see what I have... On vinyl, _The
Ascension_, great disc of short pieces with Lee Ranaldo as part of
the ensemble. CDs; _5_, no Page. _6_, Page. _8&10_, no Page (Phil
Kline, tho). So it's possible he might be on the 7, but I'm not even
sure if that's been released.
I must say I'm not too fond of the 8--too, uh, Wagnerian for me, in a
kind of cartoony way.
The second movement of the 6 is worth another shot--it does indeed
start out extremely quiet, but it builds. Play it loud for best
effect. (If you still don't like it, no problem...but for me it's
like a rock flavor of La Monte Young's _The Second Dream_ or Ellen
Fullman's Long String Instrument pieces.)
Thx for the Taxi tip--I'll have to keep an eye open for it.
- -Maurice
At 6:14 AM -0800 12/16/00, Fag music wrote:
>Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies,
> or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's
>cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I
>dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =)
>no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other
>albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he
>played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi
>cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass
>more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download.
>Taxis,
>Andy Kaufman
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Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:27:35 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Keith Rowe (was Re: zappa and criticism)
In a message dated 12/16/00 10:11:22 AM, olewnik@idt.net writes:
<< Really, even independant of AMM, he strikes me
as an extremely deep artist, whom one can re-visit time and time again
and consistently unearth new riches. >>
definitely. don't get me wrong, he's quite possibly my favorite musician in
the world right now, between his solo work, leadership of the MIMEO, and his
massive contribution to AMM. I was just saying that I think he's capable of
putting out a more consistent solo record.
Rowe also has a new/soon-to-be-out EP with Kim Cascone, which is an
interesting combo that I'm curious to hear. haven't heard this yet, and don't
even know what label it's on, sorry.
also, Rowe is touring Central Africa in January for three weeks, along with a
group of 12 people, including Jerome Noetinger of Metamkine. since I
mentioned it here once, I thought I'd update with a few details, although
that's all I know.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:07:08 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Keith Rowe
At 10:27 AM 12/16/00 EST, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
>Rowe also has a new/soon-to-be-out EP with Kim Cascone, which is an
>interesting combo that I'm curious to hear. haven't heard this yet, and
don't
>even know what label it's on, sorry.
I've picked this up, it's on Cascone's Anechoic label, and it's a square cd
which for reasons that escape me actually plays in my cd player. I'm not
as familiar with Rowe's work as most of you, but this strikes me as more
Cascone than Rowe after only a few listens. Mostly a long electronic drone
with a few scratches in places that might be a scraped string. I like it a
lot, but it doesn't sound *anything* like AMM, and not much like MIMEO
(more like some of the quiet parts of the 2cd set than anything on the
Perdition Platics one). Cascone is apparently working with Rioux's on this
label, so there may be some information at http://www.riousx.com.
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Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:23:41 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Keith Rowe
Correction on the URL: http://www.riouxs.com/new/anechoic.html
At 12:07 PM 12/16/00 -0500, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
>
>I've picked this up, it's on Cascone's Anechoic label, and it's a square cd
>which for reasons that escape me actually plays in my cd player. I'm not
>as familiar with Rowe's work as most of you, but this strikes me as more
>Cascone than Rowe after only a few listens. Mostly a long electronic drone
>with a few scratches in places that might be a scraped string. I like it a
>lot, but it doesn't sound *anything* like AMM, and not much like MIMEO
>(more like some of the quiet parts of the 2cd set than anything on the
>Perdition Platics one). Cascone is apparently working with Rioux's on this
>label, so there may be some information at http://www.riousx.com.
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Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Page 3 (Simply beautiful)
On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:14:22AM -0800, Fag music wrote:
> Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies,
> or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =) no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download.
While I haven't heard them this way myself, I suspect that Branca's
work would suffer more than most in mp3 conversion, since it involves
all those overtones clanging together.
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