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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #191
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 03 : Number 191
In this issue:
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review request for filmworks IX
Re: Joe Morris and Chicago
Re: review request for filmworks IX
ducret
Re: ducret
Re: french pop
Re: french pop
Torture Garden in Vinyl...
Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey
Re: french pop
Re: french pop
Re: french pop
Re: french pop
Re: Zorn ends Masada
ribot/mmw/james carter
Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:38:40 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: review request for filmworks IX
When somebody on the list hears Filmworks IX,
please post a review. What I am most curious
to find out is if this cd is "rehashed old
material" or "new material". There
have been some gems released in the filmworks
series like "pueblo" (FW IV) and the Zorn/Ribot
duets for Hollywood Hotel on FW III. Is FW IX
a gem? Thanks.
David K.
- -
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:42:47 EST
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe Morris and Chicago
toulab@msn.com writes:
> Kahil El Zabar recently had to defend
> himself about not introducing Ken Vandermark
> at the Lester Bowie memorial concert.
I hadn't heard about this. So, what was his story?
Speaking of Vandermark, I just picked up the 'Straight Lines' release and was
once again not disappointed. I've decided to delve back into Vandermark's
earlier recordings and just ordered his releases on Quinnah ('Standards',
'Utility Hitter', and 'Calling All Mothers')--looking forward to hearing
them. maybe i'll work on the DKV Trio next?
jeff caltabiano
n.p. coltrane: transition
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:05:54 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: review request for filmworks IX
In a message dated 12/7/00 1:48:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
keffer@planetc.com writes:
<< When somebody on the list hears Filmworks IX,
please post a review. What I am most curious
to find out is if this cd is "rehashed old
material" or "new material". There
have been some gems released in the filmworks
series like "pueblo" (FW IV) and the Zorn/Ribot
duets for Hollywood Hotel on FW III. Is FW IX
a gem? Thanks.
David K. >>
This is perhaps my favorite Zorn release since the Circle Maker. Strippped
down, delicate, and infectiously melodic, the arrangements center around
"Masada-like" melodies performed predominantly by just Jamie Saft (piano) and
Chris Speed (clarinet). Cyro Baptista adds percussion to a couple of tunes,
and Zorn adds hilarious, playful vocals (!!) to one track. So, to sum up:
If you like Masada-type stuff, you'll probably love this. If you like the
noisier, edgier group ensemble stuff, you might want to pass. For me,
Filmworks 9 is pure bliss.
Tom D.
NP: Uri Caine's "Toys"
- -
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:09:30 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: ducret
there's two ducret titles on screwgun, a solo and a trio. also (at least) 2 on
winter and winter, solo and w/big satan. all four are fantastic, imhfo.
i remember bruce at dmg having some french titles which may have been the 'label
bleu' releases. bruce described them to me as fusion. i asked tim berne if that
description fit, and berne seemed really pissd and said 'he is so fucking
misjudged.'
most looking forward to the malaby/formaneck/ducret/rainey sets this weekend.
tom rainey is one of the best kept secrets in nyc, and i've no freakin idea
who's keeping the secret or why.
kg
np: love - forever changes (again?)
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:32:49 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: ducret
Hello Kurt,
Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me:
ksc> there's two ducret titles on screwgun, a solo and a trio. also (at least) 2 on
ksc> winter and winter, solo and w/big satan. all four are fantastic, imhfo.
By chance I received Ducret's solo on W&W today. The critics was kind
of bad about it but I really like the music and he is playing. It is
recorded really good also with very atmospheric feeling of sound.
BTW, don't want to make it as an ad, but I put pictures from the
yesterday's concert to my web site and some of them (mostly Ducret and
Gibbs) seem not so bad.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:11:11 +0100
From: "dekater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: french pop
- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Datum: donderdag 7 december 2000 4:30
Onderwerp: french pop
>Just wondering if anyone on this list had
>recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy,
>gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this
>genre.
>thanks.
>
>aaron
...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that
contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vian,
on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri
Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o.
...and Manu Chao (not quite French). Check out 'Clandestino'.
Jan Luyben
- -
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:52:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: french pop
And what about:
Charles Aznavour-- Has plenty of albums in English,
including some where he sings translations of his more
famous tunes like "What makes A Man, A Man" (Then you
can compare them to his French versions on other
albums)
Yves Montand - a better actor than a singer, but
still...
Leo Ferre -- where else but France would a balding,
bushy gray haired poet become a "pop star"?
Edith Piaf -- you may think she belongs to an earlier
tradition, but she had hits with Lieber & Stoller
songs.
Boris Vian - jazzman, writer, critic, novelist,
singer (we've discussed him before on the list)
Brigitte Bardot : )
Mes deux francs
Ken l'hommee de cire
- --- "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
wrote:
>
> Plenty of recommendations!!! Just a few to start:
>
> Jacques Brel
> Serge Gainsbourg
> Georges Brassens
> Barbara
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:17:44 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Torture Garden in Vinyl...
hi people... just saw Torture Garden in vinyl, just played twice
at the store. 20$...
oh, well, just had to share this...
Ricardo Reis
"NON SERVIAM"
- -
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:30:43 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey
In a message dated 12/7/2000 1:09:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
> Thanks for the report. I'd planned to be at this show (as I boasted here
> last week), but got sick instead. Damn. Cosmic justice, I suppose.
I looked for you. : )))
> >From what I can tell, it seems that this phase of Tim's music is perhaps
> still struggling to coallesce. I've felt the same about earlier shows with
> various fractals of this group - I still don't feel as confident that
> Taborn has found his way into the music as Tim does, apparently. The one
> time I've really felt like I was getting a grasp of his latest bag was at
> the Knit last year, again during one of Ducret's rare visits (Tony Malaby,
> Taborn and Rainey completed the band that night).
In case it wasnt mentioned, this gig with Melvin Gibbs at Tonic was an
entirely improvised gig, and as to who the leader was, thats a bit arbitrary
... (Tim kept saying it's Melvin's gig) Anyways .... i thought it was
great. Even the Stones' liked it. I dont think that this gig for Tim --- or
the improvised gig he did a couple of months ago at Tonic with David Torn et
al. -- are phases of his music so much as just getting together with
musician friends and jamming. (And making a couple of bucks. Gotta make $.)
However --- if you saw Tim Berne's "Almost Quicksand" at the Knitting
Factory's Old Office last Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday ... then you would
have seen where he's going with his music. And I think just about Anyone
would have liked it !! They played at least two new tunes that have never
been played before. The band is a trio with Craig Taborn on keys (mostly
Fender rhodes, and some other old analog style synth sounds thrown in ---
apparently often at random) and Tom Rainey on drums. They played a few gigs
at the Knit back in May under the name Quicksand, and now they are definitely
starting to gel as a band and form an identity.
The band will eventually be called "Low Ball", and also feature Marc Ducret
on guitar and Tony Malaby on sax. They are planning to tour Europe in March,
and there will be another Old Office run right before that.
Steve, shouldnt You be telling us this ? : )))
> Gibbs was the main draw for me tonight, mainly as odd man out. I'm still
> sorry I missed it. Did anyone hear Tim with Taborn, Rainey and Herb
> Robertson last Friday?
Yep, also an improvised gig, and very enjoyable ! Great to see Herb live
after hearing him on many recordings.
- -Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:33:38 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: french pop
on 12/7/00 1:11 PM, dekater at dekater@worldonline.nl wrote:
>=20
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
> Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> Datum: donderdag 7 december 2000 4:30
> Onderwerp: french pop
>=20
>=20
>> Just wondering if anyone on this list had
>> recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy,
>> gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this
>> genre.
>> thanks.
>>=20
>> aaron
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that
> contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vi=
an,
> on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri
> Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o.
>=20
> ...and Manu Chao (not quite French). Check out 'Clandestino'.
>=20
> Jan Luyben
>=20
>=20
> -
>=20
>=20
I am really curious about this box set. Also the work of Henri Salvador. =
I
presume that he's a major entertainer in France. What kind of work did he
do with Vian?
...and oh, if anyone is interested TamTam will be publishing a new
translation of Vian's L'=E9cume des jours next year.
- --=20
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:36:03 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: french pop
Also there is one other French pop artist (group) I like:
Les Rita Mitsuoko. They sound like a combination of Sparks and T-Rex. I
am kind of surprised that they are not more well-known in the U.S. I think
they are a terrific 'pop' band.
- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:46:21 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: french pop
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:36:03 -0800 Tosh wrote:
>
> Les Rita Mitsuoko. They sound like a combination of Sparks and T-Rex. I
> am kind of surprised that they are not more well-known in the U.S. I think
> they are a terrific 'pop' band.
They were very big in France ten years ago, to the point that even the
English (Virgin) signed them. And it is not very frequent that an English
label signs a French rock group (for good reasons, I have to confess :-).
The last time that a new French band got some limited exposure in the US,
it was with La Mano Negra.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:54:46 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: french pop
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:33:38 -0800 Tosh wrote:
>
> I am really curious about this box set. Also the work of Henri Salvador. I
> presume that he's a major entertainer in France. What kind of work did he
> do with Vian?
Salvador was one of Vian's favorite interprets. Many famous hits by Salvador
were written by Vian (usually funny ones, if I remember well).
> ...and oh, if anyone is interested TamTam will be publishing a new
> translation of Vian's L'Θcume des jours next year.
That's a good news because Vian deserves to be better known. He has this
absurd humour and atemporality (?) that are quite unique (check L'AUTOMNE A
PEKIN). For a long time he was considered as a writer for teenagers, but
I think that his achievements have been reavaluated in the past 20 years.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:56:55 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada
I distinctly remember "the last Masada shows" which were performed on the
floor of the Knitting Factory's main space back in ... September of 1997. I
heard the words come right out of Zorn's mouth.
Dont believe everything you read ....
- -Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:27:46
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: ribot/mmw/james carter
>The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very >funny
>and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his >more mundane
>studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing >more.
>Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is
>playing on it.
????? How is James Carter mundane and MMW not? I am not saying that either
is mundane (or not mundane for that matter). But, if you look at who is on
the James Carter CD (Tacuma, Weston, etc.) in addition to looking at the
kind of music they are playing, then I don't see how that could be
considered mundane in comparison to MMW. When I saw Carter with basically
the same band (unfortunately without Ribot), they were a lot more
interesting (to me) and certainly more "out" than MMW. Help me out here.
WY
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- -
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:52:38 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter
Hello William,
I saw Carter with this new band too (with D.D. Jackson on keyboards
instead of Ribot on guitar) and I cannot say that it was more "out"
than MMW. It was kind of ok music and mostly not exciting. I was
disappointed that it sounded worse than on the CD. Although I strongly
dislike last MMW concert in New York (with Ribot, BTW) in general
their music seems much more interesting to me. All other concerts I
saw, including amazing Medeski/Allen set at Tonic, acoustic MMW at
Angel Orensanz and many other jam projects, were great.
I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be
respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of
just perfect versions of well known music.
Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me:
>>The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very >funny
>>and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his >more mundane
>>studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing >more.
>>Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is
>>playing on it.
WY> ????? How is James Carter mundane and MMW not? I am not saying that either
WY> is mundane (or not mundane for that matter). But, if you look at who is on
WY> the James Carter CD (Tacuma, Weston, etc.) in addition to looking at the
WY> kind of music they are playing, then I don't see how that could be
WY> considered mundane in comparison to MMW. When I saw Carter with basically
WY> the same band (unfortunately without Ribot), they were a lot more
WY> interesting (to me) and certainly more "out" than MMW. Help me out here.
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:52:17 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey
IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
> I looked for you. : )))
Nice to see you active on the list again, Jody. I was beginning to wonder...
:-)
> I dont think that this gig for Tim --- or
> the improvised gig he did a couple of months ago at Tonic with David Torn et
> al. -- are phases of his music so much as just getting together with
> musician friends and jamming.
That's a useful insight. I was at the Torn gig (as you know!) and was able to
hear it for exactly what it was - an open workshop rehearsal. There was some
strong stuff and some stretches of simply mucking about, exploring, which can
also be very fine. But I'd brought a friend along - a guitar freak who digs Torn
- - and he was not long for the door - he couldn't handle such loud and chaotic
music. Now that you mention last night's performance was along those lines, then
I don't mind quite as much having missed it (although again it would have been
great to hear Gibbs in this setting). I'm sure that there was similar sonic
shrapnel flying around, but I have to admit a preference for Berne's composing.
He's just such a brilliant writer.
Mind you, I do love Paraphrase, but even though they improvise completely,
there's a highly developed chemistry within that band. It's not predictable, but
it's always organic and conversational. It's kind of like something Joe McPhee
told me about his own preferred style of working lately. He works with musicians
with whom he feels he shares a language, and when they get together, they don't
discuss music at all. They talk politics, religion, chit-chat, whatever, and
then they just go on and play. In Berne's case, when Torn came in it was like
having someone who didn't *quite* speak the language, and it forced everyone to
adapt. Similarly, it took Taborn (by his own admission) a while to come into
Tim's music, though I don't doubt your word or Tim's that Craig's now arrived.
The opposite - Derek Bailey's old Company Weeks, when he would purposefully unite
musicians who didn't know each other at all, could also yield fascinating
results. But in the case of Berne, I guess I bring my own prejudices and
preferences to the mix. Maybe that's my problem.
> However --- if you saw Tim Berne's "Almost Quicksand" at the Knitting
> Factory's Old Office last Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday ... then you would
> have seen where he's going with his music.
I missed this entire run of shows. But as I mentioned, the one gig I did see
last time Ducret was in town (Tony Malaby was in that one as well), the
compostions had finally begun to gel. It was like a veil had been lifted - I
told Tim that night that it was the first time I'd really been able to follow
"Sketches of Pain" from start to finish. (It was much the same in the earliest
days of bloodcount, so I have high hopes for this next phase.)
> The band will eventually be called "Low Ball", and also feature Marc Ducret
> on guitar and Tony Malaby on sax. They are planning to tour Europe in March,
> and there will be another Old Office run right before that.
I'll keep an eye out for that. I wonder if this is the project that will record
Tim's rumored upcoming release on Matt Shipp's label?
> Steve, shouldnt You be telling us this ? : )))
Once upon a time, certainly. But I've not been as closely in touch with Tim on a
day-to-day basis since I handed off the Screwgun website to Aaron Grad last year.
Thanks for the update. Were you mixing and recording this again?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(planning to catch Malaby/Ducret/Formanek/Rainey on Sunday night, knock wood...)
- -
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