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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #164
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Zorn List Digest Monday, November 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 164
In this issue:
-
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Re: Fennesz vs. Krakauer
Re: Fennesz vs. Krakauer
Re: Otomo Yoshihide/Ground-Zero
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Re: saxophones
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #159
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Ground-Zero, laptop music, sine waves
Nakamura/M
Re: Boredoms, not a burden
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:11:35 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
In a message dated 11/13/00 4:47:52 PM, cjw@cisco.com writes:
<< eYe has a side project called Audiosports that is Japanese hip hop.
Highly
recommended if you like hip hop. This is a more subdued eYe from a vocal
standpoint but creatively still as exciting. >>
yes! Era of Glitterring (sic) Gas is superb proto-trip hop from 1992, with
Eye rapping superbly and Nobukazu Takemura doing the beats. highly, highly
recommended if you can find one.
each Audio Sports release has a different lineup, and I've actually never
heard any of the others, not sure why. are they as good?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:15:54 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fennesz vs. Krakauer
well, not surprisingly, I'd also vote for seeing Fennesz and Radian over
David Krakauer, but I think it really depends on your own tastes. one comment
though, Jesse said:
<< Their first EP is live too, so you can definitely
expect them to be rewarding outside the studio. >>
actually, they're virtually identical in concert to the studio. they don't
improvise, the drummer plays with a click track. I still enjoyed seeing them
live, just thought you should know.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:26:35 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: Fennesz vs. Krakauer
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
> << Their first EP is live too, so you can definitely
>
> expect them to be rewarding outside the studio. >>
>
> actually, they're virtually identical in concert to the studio. they don't
> improvise, the drummer plays with a click track. I still enjoyed seeing
them
> live, just thought you should know.
Even all the synth stuff is the same? It seems like there'd be a lot of
variability there. Did you hear material from TG11? I didn't realize all
of that was even reproducible live.
- -Jesse
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:32:40 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: Otomo Yoshihide/Ground-Zero
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
> the real question, if you ask me, is "how much more to be said with
> saxophones?"
Oh, come now. . .
- -Jesse
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:31:54 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Chris Westphal wrote:
> eYe has a side project called Audiosports that is Japanese hip hop. Highly
> recommended if you like hip hop. This is a more subdued eYe from a vocal
> standpoint but creatively still as exciting. He also has quite a few other
> side projects (as do the other Boredoms) but I haven't checked any of them out.
actually, as far as i remember, he was only
on the first three audiosports records-
'3-6-9', 'eat+buy+eat' and 'era of glittering glass'.
i've heard eye say he was only a guest
vocalist, but that might be him re-writing history...
some of eye's own side projects include:
dendoba (electric teeth)
destroy 2
elvis dust
mc hellshit and dj carhouse
and of course, the pre-/post-boredoms
operations of ufo or die and hanatarash.
there are two compilations on a boredoms-affiliated
label ummo that have a number of eye side
projects, but it's difficult to tell if these
are one-offs or true projects. the compilations
are well worth a listen.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:26:06 -0500
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
HANATARASH: Eye(Yamatsuka/Yamatanka/Yamataka)'s total pure noise band. If
like totally random noise shit this is for you. Personally one listen of
each CD was enough for me. But the mythological mystique around this band
and Eye's antics is very cool and superhuman. Supposedly, for one
performance in a gallery, Eye rode a tractor through a wall of the gallery.
UFO OR DIE: another of eye's hardcore/noiscore projects, like boredoms, but
more streamlined (guitar, drums, screams). I love this shit!
AUDIOSPORTS: Eye teamed up with a japanese hip-hop group. silly cool stuff.
Cool to hear rhymes in japanese.
Also Eye special guest screams for ten songs on a CD from called NOISE,
VIOLENCE AND DESTROY by S.O.B./Hijo-Kaidan... "A live onstage collaboration
between Japan's premier grindcore band and seminal noise outfit Hijokaidan.
Plus Eye Yamatsuka of the Boredoms." Kicks ass. kind of sounds like early
Napalm Death with a layer of crazy noise on top with Eye and someone else
belting out shrieks and death metal grrrrrrrrrowls. On Alchemy Records which
may be in Osaka or TOkyo, but has so much cool shit.
<http://alchemy.bizhosting.com/disco.html>
there is probably so much more but that is what I have bought over the past
ten years....
I dont remember what web site I got this list from but it is insanely
complete but not very helpful since in is unreleased materail. But I thought
it was a fascinating read......
****************************************************************************
GUITAR BARRIO: THE UNOFFICIAL BOREDOMS SIDE PROJECT ANTI-DISCOGRAPHY
(Version 1.2)
****************************************************************************
Compiled by Dave Watson of the Severed Heads Liberation Front.
****************************************************************************
This list is specifically devoted to Boredoms side projects which have not
officially released any recordings. If anyone wishes to supply any further
information to what I have here, including the information sources and live
gig info (if any), please e-mail me at aj153@freenet.carleton.ca. If
recording release info is supplied, the band will be moved to the Sore
Diamonds list.
Thanks to Matt Kaufman of Exile Osaka (osakamm@gol.com) for laying down the
cornerstone of this funky slum (the classifications are his exact quotes).
I
await further construction.
UPDATES: Format cleaned up a little (band names now capitalized); Destroy 2
and Elvis Dust removed; Congratulation 2 added; info on Dendoba and Yamamoto
Seiichi; more info on Yamamoto's projects, pitched in by Yamamoto.
****************************************************************************
YAMATSUKA/YAMANTAKA EYE PROJECTS
DENDOBA (Electric Teeth)--Shock Punk. Members include Yamamoto, Yoshimi,
and
Ohno of Solmania. A track was supposed to appear on the _The Miracle of
Levitation_ compilation CD, but this didn't work out.
YAMA'S--Jumping Romper Room Noise Punk with Yamamoto and Yamazaki (aka
Masonna).
ANARCHY 7--Record Punk. Hip hop/scratch duo with ATR of Boredoms. Opened
for
Disposable Heroes of Hiphopcracy in Osaka.
SKY TOUCH--Influenced by Brazillian hardcore--I think.
OSAKA PUNK COMBO--Telephone Punk.
GOONIES--Trio made up of Eye, and members of Droop and Batties Boys.
GEVA GEVA--Featured K.K. Null of Zeni Geva, Yoshida Tatsuya of Ruins, and
Eye
on vocals. Eye met John Zorn for the first time when Zorn jumped onstage at
a
show.
PRESENTLY INACTIVE:
ACID MAKKII & COMBI AND ZOMBIE--This band featured Yamamoto on guitar, Hira
on
bass, Eye on drums, and a singer named Makkii Sasara on vocals.
FROGLEG EXPERIENCE & THREE SUNS OF CALIFORNIA--Eye on synthesizer, Tsuyama
on
bass, Chu on drums, and Yoshimi on vocals and trumpet.
CONGRATULATION 2--A special version of Destroy 2 who played at Yoshimi's
wedding reception. Yasushi Yoshida, vocalist of Spasmom, played drums.
****************************************************************************
**
YAMAMOTO SEIICHI PROJECTS
NOVO TONO--Includes Yoshihide Otomo of Ground Zero, and Phew on vocals (She
recorded an album with members of Can in the early eighties). They will be
releasing a CD in the near future.
GUITAR BARRIO--Guitar instrumental solo unit in which (from what I
understand)
some sort of radio attachment is used. Only played one show.
HAPPY COWBOYS--World music duo with Yoshikawa Toyohito (ex-Boredoms).
KAMI (God)--Another solo unit in which Yamamoto bangs on a guitar shield
attached to an amp with metal objects.
THE ENBAN (U.F.O.)--Another solo unit in which Yamamoto says "Enban" once
every 25 minutes. There is no music.
YAMA'S (see Yamatsuka Eye)
DENDOBA (see Yamatsuka Eye)
HOKEKYO MOURETSU-ER (see Yoshimi Yokota)
NOA NOA--Folk duo with Alice Sailor.
GITOO--Guitar techno with Bravo Komatsu.
FLYING TESTICLE--Also features members of Merzbow and Masonna. They have
released a CD, _Space Desia_ on Charnel Music, but Yamamoto isn't on it.
WOODS--Post-techno sound.
HOPPO RYODO--Protest acid songs.
YA-TO-NI--Toy noise pop.
ROVO--Space drums and bass.
Yamamoto has also collaborated with: Phew; Hako (of AFTER DINNER); Noseyama
(of DIESEL GUITAR); Jad Fair (of HALF JAPANESE).
****************************************************************************
**
YOSHIMI YOKOTA PROJECTS
DENDOBA (see Yamatsuka Eye)
HOKEKYO MOURETSU-ER [Hokekyo is the call of the Uguis bird. Mouretsu means
"intense"; and the "er" is an English suffix, i.e. "debaser." So this
trans-
lates as...uhh...why even bother?]--A t-shirt bearing this name came first
and
a band was thrown together afterwards. The members include ATR on drums,
Yamamoto on bass, and Yoshimi on trumpet. Yamamoto describes the sound as
"scum dub"; Yoshimi calls it "Fashion Punk." Apparently the purpose of the
band is to play on other peoples' recordings uncredited. All that Yamamoto
will say is that they do appear on a Boredoms CD, but won't say which one.
OOIOO--New band
PINK SABATH
****************************************************************************
**
ATR PROJECTS
ANARCHY 7 (see Yamatsuka Eye)
HOKEKYO MOURETSU-ER (see Yoshimi Yokota)
UNIVERSAL ERRORS--Recently formed hard core trio that shows the power of
ATR's drumming. Withput question the most underrated member of the
Boredoms.
****************************************************************************
**
YOSHIKAWA TOYOHITO (ex-Boredoms) PROJECTS
Eye once said that a Boredoms show without Yoshikawa (who has been called
the
"Boredoms God") is not interesting, and a recent show that I saw in New York
proved his point.
HAPPY COWBOYS (See Yamamoto Seiichi)
UNIVERSE--Yoshikawa with Akii, vocalist of Off Mask 00.
****************************************************************************
**
END OF FILE
*****
- --
Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Re-release the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Frezier Balzoff (Ottawa), Ontario, Canada Email--aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie
ONTARIO--Where FASCIST PRAGMATISM and DEFICIT HYSTERIA pass for COMMON
SENSE.
> From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
> Subject: Boredoms, not a burden
> besides lead singing for Boredoms,does Eye have another stuff out?I know he
> hangs around a lot with Zorn,and I just listened to their their album called
> Nani nani,it is great.But I wanna know:does anyone have a commented
> discography of him,or something????Is there actually a solo Eye album,like
> Adult themes for voice,for example???
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:04:17 -0500
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
I was just looking on my "want list" in my PalmPilot to write all these that
I didn't know about in and I saw that I had put down that Eye also had two
other recent hardcore projects not on this list called "Puzzle Punks" and
"One"... anyone know anything about these?
> Subject: eye's side projects
>
> audiosports ('3-6-9', 'eat+buy+eat' and 'era of glittering glass')
> dendoba (electric teeth)
> destroy 2
> elvis dust
> mc hellshit and dj carhouse
> ufo or die
> hanatarash.
>
> two compilations on a boredoms-affiliated
> label ummo that have a number of eye side
> projects, but it's difficult to tell if these
> are one-offs or true projects. the compilations
> are well worth a listen.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:43:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: saxophones
As much as there is still to be said with the human
voice.
Ken Waxman
- --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> the real question, if you ask me, is "how much more
> to be said with saxophones?"
>
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:30:52 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #159
> Yes, and Brain is the new G'n'R drummer..
What's going on with Primus then?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:00:09 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
I wanna hear it,
then.If anyone has it for trading,lemme know.Not by air mail....like,our currency's fucked up here.
Brokes,
M.C. noositees
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:11:35 EST
>Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>
>
>In a message dated 11/13/00 4:47:52 PM, cjw@cisco.com writes:
>
><< eYe has a side project called Audiosports that is Japanese hip hop.
>Highly
>recommended if you like hip hop. This is a more subdued eYe from a vocal
>standpoint but creatively still as exciting. >>
>
>yes! Era of Glitterring (sic) Gas is superb proto-trip hop from 1992, with
>Eye rapping superbly and Nobukazu Takemura doing the beats. highly, highly
>recommended if you can find one.
>
>each Audio Sports release has a different lineup, and I've actually never
>heard any of the others, not sure why. are they as good?
>
>Jon
>www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:08:59 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
puzzle punks is actually the name of the album.
the group is shinro otake and eye.
i haven't heard of one.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Ian Farrell wrote:
> I was just looking on my "want list" in my PalmPilot to write all these that
> I didn't know about in and I saw that I had put down that Eye also had two
> other recent hardcore projects not on this list called "Puzzle Punks" and
> "One"... anyone know anything about these?
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:10:43 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Ground-Zero, laptop music, sine waves
Arthur Gadney wrote:
>>From the "Last Concert" CD which is probably *the* most
>>intense unlistnable noise CD I have ever heard,
wow. I definitely have a lot of difficulty listening to noise (Akita's
"prosperity of vice, misfortune of virtue," Bart, - even Fushitsusha's live
PSF double requires just the right mood) but I don't have that much trouble
listening to this album. I feel like there's enough melodic relief here and
there that my interest is kept (similar to Fennesz's "hotel paral.lel" or
Erik M's "Zygosis"). There's a really repetitive horn line toward the end
of the album which I enjoy quite a bit. I can see your point however, the
album definitely begins with unapologetic noise and continues to intergect
similar material thoughout.
Jon Abbey wrote:
>he has been playing more guitar also lately, including in
>Taku Sugimoto's guitar quartet, which is composed music and is supposedly
>flat out gorgeous, although I haven't heard it.
oops. yup, that's drool on my shirt.
Arthur:
>>Will this never end? I actually thought this scene was more or less
>>dead by now. How much more to be said with only sinewaves?
>>Seems everyone and his mother is doing this stuff with their powerbooks,
>>these days...
FWIW - if you haven't heard the above mentioned "hotel paral.lel" by Fennesz
I think it's well worth it. Also the
Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/O'Rourke/Drumm/Sieward on Charhizma is one of
my favorite laptop manifestations.
or, well you could just pick up Stagl/Kurzmann "Schnee".
I think these three are all purdy darn good except for "Schnee" which scores
a bit above Mr.Universe on the fairground-hammer-and-bell-strengh-machine.
Arthur:
>>How much more to be said with only sinewaves?
Jon:
>the real question, if you ask me, is "how much more to be said with
>saxophones?"
I'd agree with Ken: as much as there is to be said with the human voice.
Friendly statment number two: There's as much to say as musicians and
artists to say it.
Matt Wirzbicki
BTW - I recently aquired a copy of Loren Mazzacane's "9th Avenue." The
talking in the backround at the beginning of the second to last track is
almost painful.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:22:22 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Nakamura/M
At 03:09 PM 11/13/00 -0700, you wrote:
>but how many of them are doing it well? wait until you hear the Toshimaru
>Nakamura/Sachiko M. CD I'll be releasing early next year. brilliant
>collaborative sine wave improv, with a 36 minute track centerpiece. it will
>melt your mind, in a good way, of course.
Will this be similar to their previous collaboration on Meme? I've been
only mixed in enjoying her sinewave tracks, but must say that _un_
surpasses any attempts at the sound previous. Easily my favorite of the
style, better than any Ikeda or Yoshihide that I've heard of similar attempt.
I've wondered what else Nakamura has done...? I'd not heard of him prior
to that release (or since...).
Thanks,
Jason J. Tar
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:54:56 EST
From: JSub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Boredoms, not a burden
Not overly commented, but the following is the best Boredoms/Eye related site
I know of:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4207/Boredoms/boreside.htm
Speaking of which, does anyone have a complete discography for the Beast 666
tape label which released a several compilations with Boredoms/Eye material?
Jeff
> But I wanna know:does anyone have a commented discography of him,or
> > something????Is there actually a solo Eye album,like Adult themes for
> > voice,for example???
- -
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