- --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--
Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
UPDATE *June 25*, 2000:
Vids, a few CDs, baseball books, misc.
***Very Various For Sale: *** http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:31:21 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
It should be pointed out that Cage (probably more than other music) is not
everyone's cup of tea... So while you've been recommended a bunch of works
to listen to, you might buy a couple and soon want to kill the guy who
recommended them (insert smiley face here). I studied Cage at school, and
certainly appreciated things that he was doing as clever but I don't think I
ever said "I really like this piece!"...
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:40:15 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
So while you've been recommended a bunch of works
> to listen to, you might buy a couple and soon want to kill the guy who
> recommended them (insert smiley face here). I studied Cage at school, and
> certainly appreciated things that he was doing as clever but I don't think
I
> ever said "I really like this piece!"...
You know, I hear that alot, but of the few things I've heard from him (the
recent Atlas Eclipticalis & Winter Music/103 box on Asphodel, Williams mix,
One^5 , the Sonic Youth tribute stuff a few Variations) I've really enjoyed.
I haven't approached his music in an academic context, but it's enjoyable
enough in it's own right IMHO. The One^5 interpreted by Louis Goldstein is
especially pretty. Just my two cents.
Cheers,
Nirav
AIM: Icefactory37
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OnNow- John Watermann- Ilusions of Infinite Bliss
NR- _The Recogntions_- William Gaddis (god, it's so good, much better than
_The Wind-Up Bird Chronicles_ [which is the only recommendation from this
list that I haven't liked)
"Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R.
Buckminster Fuller
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:02 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 11:52:43AM -0800, Fag music wrote:
> Ok,
> I'm relatively new to this list,so there's a lot of stuff I'm not familiar into,so let's go piece by piece(wow,that's a Slayer tune,aaaaaah I'm so smart).Ahem...who's this John Cage guy?Is he a musician?Is he a poet?Is he a prolific guy?I'd like some comments on him,also some good stuff to hear from him.Anyone?
Uh, gee, what could I say?
Cage was indeed a musician, poet, graphic artist, creator of theatre,
macrobiotic chef, etc. He was responsible for some of the essential
breakthroughs of 20th Century music, including the use of "non-musical"
"noise" in music, and the appreciation of the sounds of one's own
environment as music. (In the Cagean viewpoint, "music" is not so much
a way of creating sound as a way of listening to it.)
Where to start in listening to his work depends on what you already
enjoy. I often recommend his piano pieces or string quartets to those
coming from a classical background. OTOH, a friend who is into noise
and ambience got turned on to him through his piece "Five Stone Wind".
Speaking for my own tastes, I find I listen most to "Singing Through"
(an album of his vocal works by Joan LaBarbara), the Wergo recordings
of Song Books and Empty Words, and his Roaratorio. Cage himself didn't
listen to recordings much, though he came to appreciate them as
documentation. I greatly enjoy performing his vocal pieces. Some of
his works are sufficiently clear and open that even those not trained
as musicians can easily perform them, once they understand the mindset.
Of course, I invite all those interested in Cage to check out Silence,
the Cage mailing list. You can find how to subscribe and a link to the
archives from http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/Cage/
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:03:30 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
>>>but I don't think I ever said "I really like this piece!"...<<<
_Music For Prpeared Piano_
_Indeterminacy_
I REALLY REALLY REALLY like those pieces and listen to them over and over
and over.........
Also the Cage video in Peter Greenaway's Four Composers videos is essential
viewing.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:10:06 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
> I REALLY REALLY REALLY like those pieces and listen to them over and
> over and over.........
What I was saying was my opinion, just because you have a differing one it
doesn't affect mine. I just think it is important that someone who is new to
Cage is warned not to madly buy everything people tell him to, because he
may be disappointed, that's all...
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:46:14 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: John Cage,not Mortal Kombat
>>>NR- _The Recogntions_- William Gaddis (god, it's so good....)
My favorite novel. Still slowly savoring my way through it.
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:10:09 -0800
From: "Fag music" <pattonsucks@37.com>
Subject: Finish him with a smile
Thanks a lot,
guys.The amount of John Cage comments really helped me to start looking for it.I'll try and find some of his recommended stuff.By the way,I've been trying to find the Nani Nani album,if anyone has it and wants to trade via icq,my uin is 38973178,we'll set sumthin' up.Also,I'd like to know some good albums that had Yamatsuka(Yamataka?Kill me,I'm dumb) Eye.I know he sang on Naked city and for Boredoms,but I guess there's more...who sang Zorn's Bikini atoll and Bone crusher????I assume it was him,given the similarity....so,anyone????