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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, October 12 2000      Volume 03 : Number 111



In this issue:
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       Re: Frisell (Odp: Wayne / Zony + Fans of Wayne Horvitz)
       Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: CRI looks for jazz composers
       Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: CRI looks for jazz composers
       Re: CRI looks for jazz composers
       Re: CRI looks for jazz composers
       Greek music
       Kang/Ayler
       Re: Flamenco
       re: Kang/Ayler/Reigle
       Re: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
       Re: Lytton
       more percussion(ists) and violin(ists)
       Mark Feldman and Hank Roberts
       Mark Feldman and Hank Roberts

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:08:49 -0700
From: "James Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell (Odp: Wayne / Zony + Fans of Wayne Horvitz)

> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:00:13 +0200
> From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Frisell (Odp: Wayne / Zony + Fans of Wayne Horvitz)
>
> From: James Kirchmer <[e-mail]>
> > "American Bandstand"  (both of these are the first "Zony Mash" records
> > to feature their 2nd bass player Keith Lowe, one of the finest bassists
> > *in the world*, and one of Bill Frisell's latest recruits).
> > In fact, Keith has joined forces with Bill's banjo teacher/collaborator,
> > the Bad Livers' Danny Barnes, & will be releasing an entire album of
> > Frisell compositions - as played by himself, Danny, & fiddle master Jon
> > Parry (ex-John Hartford's Goosecreek Symphony)
>
> Could you send some more info (Label? Which compositions?)?
>  And what is Frisell up to recently? I know he toured Europe w/Sex Mob's
> section this summer, and Steve Smith wrote a few months ago that a trio
> album with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland is supposed to be out in January
> (yes, we're still waiting...).

Not sure what the best site for Frisell info is these days - although I used
to hit www.songtone.com for info all the time (Lee Townsend's site) and
it sure fit the bill pretty good.

For info on "Thee Old Codgers" (the band that will eventually be releasing
an entire album of Frisell compositions) there are basically 2 sites to
bookmark:
www.dannybarnes.com
www.moonliner.com (Keith Lowe's website)
The third wheel in this band, fiddleman Jon Parry, does not yet have a site.

This album is a long ways off - basically all parties have agreed to put it
out - but have not started work on it yet.  Stay tuned to the above sites
for details - it's just a matter of time.

And lastly, note that Thee Old Codgers are currently touring!
They are great - and would appeal to anyone into Frisell's wide-ranging
roots-americana-improv leanings.  Danny Barnes, as some of you may
recall, toured with Frisell last May (1999) as part of "Bill Frisell & the
Willies"

Here are the tour dates for "Thee Old Codgers" --->
(a GUARANTEED GOOD TIME - they all rip!!!!!!! forward this
info to your friends in these towns & they'll thank ya fer sure!)

[Danny Barnes:banjo/vocals-Keith Lowe:upright bas -Jon Parry:fiddle]

10.12.00 Madison WI Cafe Montmartre
10.13.00 Milwaukee WI Gil's Cafe
10.14.00 Stephen's Point WI Witz End
10.15.00 Chicago IL In Store at The Record Emporuim, and gig at Schuba's
10.17.00 Columbus OH Little Brother's
10.18.00 Kalamazoo MI In Store at Music Express, & gig at The Kraftbrau
    Brewery
10.20.00 New York NY Rodeo Bar (CMJ) 10:00PM
10.21.00 Philladelphia PA the Bishop's Collar
10.22.00 Washington DC the Kennedy Center

* next up --> a holiday weekend in Seattle: Nov. 24 & 25 @ The Rainbow *
        (a special acoustic & electric double bill featuring
        Thee Old Codgers vs. Thee Heathen - each night!!)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       James Kirchmer
  [e-mail]
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:39:44 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: CRI looks for jazz composers

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/11/00 12:17:12 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Composers Recordings Incorporated, noted for their
> releases of new music, usually by living composers, is
> looking for submissions for a new line of jazz
> recordings.>>
>
> this is pretty old news (the 1997 copyright on that web page is a good
> tipoff), and I know that they've been sitting on at least one completed
> record which they promised to release a few years ago (Earl Howard/Gerry
> Hemingway). has CRI actually released any jazz records as of yet?

No, they haven't.  I was in on this near the beginning and gave the guy who
used to run CRI a list of a dozen prospective projects that included
Hemingway (who already had the disc you mentioned underway), Tim Berne
(bloodcount plus four), Baikida Carroll, John Hollenbeck, Matt Moran's
Sideshow, and a handful of others.  (It also included Cecil Taylor, but
this, perhaps, was just wishful thinking.)  This would have been sometime
in 1998.  They actually got in touch with the artists I suggested and
things got underway.

Since then, the person who ran CRI has left and a new person has come in,
and the jazz project is very much underway.  I've met and spoken with CRI
several times over the last few months, and am currently writing liner
notes for John Hollenbeck's 'No Images' (due for release in February) and
Matt Moran's Sideshow (March or April, I think).  The players on
Hollenbeck's disc include David Liebman, Ray Anderson, Theo Bleckmann,
Ellery Eskelin, Ben Monder and others.  Moran's Sideshow is comprised of
songs and pieces by Charles Ives as performed by Moran, Hollenbeck, Oscar
Noreiga and Adam Good.

So yes, it's really happening.  It just hit a minor setback for a while,
and it also takes time to raise the money for these releases.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - John Hollenbeck, "Liebman/Hollenbeck Vignettes," 'No Images' (CD-R)




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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:50:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Avant-Garde] Re: CRI looks for jazz composers

In a message dated 10/11/00 3:42:09 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< So yes, it's really happening. >>

great, good to hear! thanks for the info, Steve.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:39:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CRI looks for jazz composers

In a message dated 10/11/00 12:17:12 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Composers Recordings Incorporated, noted for their
releases of new music, usually by living composers, is
looking for submissions for a new line of jazz
recordings.>>

this is pretty old news (the 1997 copyright on that web page is a good
tipoff), and I know that they've been sitting on at least one completed
record which they promised to release a few years ago (Earl Howard/Gerry
Hemingway). has CRI actually released any jazz records as of yet?

if I'm way offbase here, please let me know, but I don't think I am.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:39:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CRI looks for jazz composers

In a message dated 10/11/00 12:17:12 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Composers Recordings Incorporated, noted for their
releases of new music, usually by living composers, is
looking for submissions for a new line of jazz
recordings.>>

this is pretty old news (the 1997 copyright on that web page is a good
tipoff), and I know that they've been sitting on at least one completed
record which they promised to release a few years ago (Earl Howard/Gerry
Hemingway). has CRI actually released any jazz records as of yet?

if I'm way offbase here, please let me know, but I don't think I am.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:03:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Greek music

IN Detroit in May, Kowald mentioned that a trio recording he did with
Floridis and Gunter Sommer, called _Aphorismes_ is going tobe available in
the States soon.

Jerry B.


> Floridis is my favorite player, I have posted on him in the past,
>  I am glad to see some people know him, his recordings with
>  the FLORINA BRASS BAND are also great, traditional, full-throttle
>  brass music, with some nice soloing, especially live.
>  His quartet WUTU WUPATU is also great, in the same vein but more jazzy,
>  sort of a greek equivalent to MASADA maybe?
>  He played often in the past with German people, he can also be heard
>  on a beautiful duo with Kowald on an FMP record.
>  Most of his records in Greece are on ANO KATO records if anyone
>  tries to track them...

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:52:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Kang/Ayler

<<
Is there a Eyvind Kang discography somewhere?
>>
If I can blow my own horn, Kang does a sixteen-minute
absolute full-freak-out on Ayler's "Bells"
on a disc on my own label: "The Marriage of Heaven and Earth"
 by saxophonist Robert Reigle.
North Country, Downtown Music Gallery or direct.
Acoustic Levitation AL 1002.

Steve Koenig

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:02:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Flamenco

<<Re: flamenco>>

I have way too many flamenco discs and am very happy to have them.
Le Chant du Monde has a full series of famous flamenco artists,
recently found a lot of them at some unnamed store's
 sale annex for about seven bucks each.
I believe they're all still in print.
I especially recommend the volumes by cameron de la isla
 (he also has many excellent discs on the [spanish] philips label)
beni di cadiz, manolo carocal, el nino de almaden
and la nina de los peines.
there also was a young boy on a CD anothology from the spanish
gov't i've misfiled, but will report on when i can...
he was the real thing.

steve koenig
laFolia.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:18:38 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Kang/Ayler/Reigle

MEEP! [e-mail] wrote:
>If I can blow my own horn, Kang does a sixteen-minute
>absolute full-freak-out on Ayler's "Bells"
>on a disc on my own label: "The Marriage of Heaven and Earth"
> by saxophonist Robert Reigle.
Okay, I've been meaning to ask this for a while now... I found a copy of
this disc over the summer in an unexpected, out-of-the-way spot and
absolutely love it, but haven't had much luck finding out anything more
about Reigle (other than that he appears to be more extensively published
than he is recorded). Can anybody suggest any other recordings of his work
that I might find without having to sign my soul over to Powers Unspeakable
in the process?

- -me



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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:06:19 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies

On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 10:53:40AM +0200, Marcin Gokieli wrote:

> What is an afternoon drama serial?

In Afternoon Drama Serialism, a show consists of exactly twelve
characters, each of whom must speak a line before anyone can speak a
second line. Characters may wear any clothes without affecting this,
and sections may be broadcast backward or upside down. It's usually
used in shorter forms, with the notable exception of Proctor and Berg's
soap opera "Woyczek 90210".

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:22:58 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lytton

>>>>> "Bjoern" == Bjoern Dirlack <[e-mail]> writes:

    Bjoern> Scott Handley schrieb:
    >> Paul Lytton My questions: could anyone who's seen him use
    >> electronics and percussion --- tabletop or otherwise --- give
    >> me an idea of what the set-up looks like, and how he performs
    >> in it? What sounds does it elicit?

    Bjoern> It┤s an reduced "regular" drum kit (bass drum, snare,
    Bjoern> cymbals). Besides is a standing metal frame with different
    Bjoern> amplified wires. He bows or plucks the wires and uses
    Bjoern> volume pedals. The drum kit is mostly treated by the
    Bjoern> bow(s). He also uses microphones for amplifying some
    Bjoern> voice-effects. It sounds howling and croaking and rattling
    Bjoern> - lo-fi. But mostly not loud.

    Bjoern> He uses this set-up in concert with the "insect" players,
    Bjoern> seperately from his works as a more energetic drummer
    Bjoern> (Evan Parker Trio).

Do you include Wachsmann among the "insect" players? If so, you're
description of Lytton's rig only partly corresponds to what I recall
from the two occasions I saw this duo in concert, though I essentially
agree with your characterization of the sounds. Lytton had rather
large tables hung with cloths (preventing seeing beneath them) at
right angles to each other, one between him and the audience, another
between him and Wachsmann (or perhaps it was more towards to back of
the stage, or maybe there was a third table, I can't remember), and
they were piled high with implements (a lot from his "standard" kit,
i.e. blocks and metal plates and chains, etc.), so that Lytton was
often blocked from the audience's (or at least my) view. There were a
number of cymbals, some on stands, and I recall at least one or two
little drums, perhaps a snare, but no bass drum and certainly nothing
resembling a drum kit set-up (maybe there was a bass drum under one of
the tables, but I also don't recall hearing one). The contact-mic'd
metal frame with wires was there, at the back (perhaps on a table). He
wore a headset mic. I certainly couldn't see a volume pedal but
wouldn't deny he used one. Even when he wasn't obscured from view, I
often found it hard to see how he produced sounds, except for easily
visible motions such as bowing, hitting a cymbol, or twirling his
rubber tube. Often he appeared quite still with his head bent down or
his back turned to the audience (and he almost entirely avoided eye
contact Wachsmann, except at the end a piece (and Wachsmann, too, only
glanced a few times towards Lytton).

- --Steve Berman

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:25:32 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: more percussion(ists) and violin(ists)

I don't recall seeing any of the following mentioned in these threads
and think they are worth mentioning (and hearing!):

Percussion:

- - Steve Reich's _Drumming_ (some other works were mentioned but not this
one I think).
- - Xenakis's _Pleiades_ for six percussionists. I think his largest all
percussion work and pretty spectacular. _Rebonds_ for solo percussion
also isn't too bad.
- - William Winant (even directly list-relevant!) I don't know of any
solo work by him, but he's crucially contributed to lots of projects
and records, among them Room with Larry Ochs and Donald Robinson, the
Glenn Spearman Double Trio, the Abel-Steinberg-Winant trio, and Zorn's
_Elegy_ and _Kristallnacht_. I haven't heard Thurston Moore's _Piece
for Jetsun Dolma_ with Winant and Tom Surgal, but I saw them perform
at Taktlos a few years ago and found it overwhelming, larger because
of Winant's playing.
- - Roger Turner has done some wild and crazy and wonderful things;
again I know of no solo records, but check out _Dada da_ (Leo) with
Phil Minton, _The comforts of madness_ (Durian) with Helge Hinteregger
and Franz Hautzinger, _Birthdays_ (Emanem) with John Russell
(magnificent!), and _Recent croaks_ (Acta) with Martin Klapper.

Violin:

- - Tony Conrad's _Four Violins_, available on _Early Minimalism_
(ToTE), which should satisfy any need to binge on minimalist violins,
perhaps just leaving room for a dessert of
- - Reich's _Violin Phase_.
Three very different mainly improv violinists who've made wonderful
solo records:
- - Phil Durrant _Sowari_ (Acta), mix of acoustic and electronically
manipulated pieces. (Of course lots of non-solo stuff by himi too.)
- - Harald Kimmig _Im Freien_ (Hybrid), all acoustic, recorded both
outdoors and indoors (a church? don't remember).
- - Kaffe Matthews _Anne_ and _Bea_ (Annette Works; there's also
_Cecile_, which I haven't heard), violin plus lots of sampling, often
doesn't sound a a violin at all.

- --Steve Berman

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:34:55 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mark Feldman and Hank Roberts

Someone asked about records with Mark Feldman and I think someone also
asked about Hank Roberts. Both play on Marilyn Crispell's _Santuerio_
(Leo, also with Gerry Hemingway), which is a wonderful record, one of
Crispell's best.

- --Steve Berman

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:02:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mark Feldman and Hank Roberts

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 << Someone asked about records with Mark Feldman and I think someone also
  asked about Hank Roberts. Both play on Marilyn Crispell's _Santuerio_
  (Leo, also with Gerry Hemingway), which is a wonderful record, one of
  Crispell's best.

  --Steve Berman
   >>

    Yeah, I remember that post.  Thanks for bringing it up.  "Santuerio" is
indeed quite good.  The original poster was asking what cd had both Tim Berne
and Robin Eubanks.  That would be "Black Pastels" which is one of his better
cds. A '88 JMT release, probably hard to find.  You can look up his complete
discography at levelgreen.com(click on Hank's Page).  Highlights for me are
the 2 Miniature releases w/ Berne and Baron, the duo with Berne,  "Little
Motor People" with Django Bates and a drummer who's name I can't even bregin
to spell, and lastly Phil Haynes' "Free Country".  That last release is one
of the best things Roberts has done in a long time. It's covers of old folk
standards that you never thought could possibly sound this good.  Roberts is
clearly in his element here.  This cd also has Drew Gress and the very good
guitarist Jim Yanda, who is unknown to me.  Anyone know anything about him?
Cheers,
    John Threadgould



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<< Someone asked about records with Mark Feldman and I think someone also
 asked about Hank Roberts. Both play on Marilyn Crispell's _Santuerio_
 (Leo, also with Gerry Hemingway), which is a wonderful record, one of
 Crispell's best.

 --Steve Berman
  >>

    Yeah, I remember that post.  Thanks for bringing it up.  "Santuerio" is
indeed quite good.  The original poster was asking what cd had both Tim Berne
and Robin Eubanks.  That would be "Black Pastels" which is one of his better
cds. A '88 JMT release, probably hard to find.  You can look up his complete
discography at levelgreen.com(click on Hank's Page).  Highlights for me are
the 2 Miniature releases w/ Berne and Baron, the duo with Berne,  "Little
Motor People" with Django Bates and a drummer who's name I can't even bregin
to spell, and lastly Phil Haynes' "Free Country".  That last release is one
of the best things Roberts has done in a long time. It's covers of old folk
standards that you never thought could possibly sound this good.  Roberts is
clearly in his element here.  This cd also has Drew Gress and the very good
guitarist Jim Yanda, who is unknown to me.  Anyone know anything about him?
Cheers,
    John Threadgould

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