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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #94
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 094
In this issue:
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Re: Lehn, nmperign, Palestine, Red Krayola
beetles
Re: new releases
ooh, jimi w/ larry young
dolphy/mingus duet
Re: beetles
siggy don leave bring it on mof
Re: Age
Re: drumming
Re: Age
Re: Einstein was a drummer/Ringo Starr
Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
age
RE: age, etc.
Age/Pluramon
Re: Age
MASADA in Brussels
Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
list demographics
Re: selfcriticism and organs
Re: Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:16:41 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lehn, nmperign, Palestine, Red Krayola
In a message dated 10/4/00 1:12:34 AM, jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu writes:
<< > first, Random Acoustics (co-run by Grawe), after a long, long dry spell,
has just released four new CDs, including a Thomas Lehn solo disc.
When is this out? Is it his first solo CD? >>
it's out now. when it will be available in the US is a different question.
Lehn is supposed to send me some, so I'll post again when I get them.
<<The record's been out for a while, but I only just thought
to pick it up, making me wonder why nmperign has seemingly been overlooked
in all the recent attention on the whole microvising/lowercase/blah improv
scene. Is it because they're from Boston? Or because their records are on
a label which otherwise releases mostly psych/rock?>>
I'm not sure whether their records are really representative of how good
they've become recently. hopefully their next release, out soon on Selektion,
will remedy that situation. the other upcoming Selektion CD is a superb
collaboration from Kevin Drumm and Ralf Wehowsky.
<<Makes me really wish I'd been there, especially when Kyle Gann remarks that
Palestine may not be back for another 20 years.>>
yeah, Palestine said at the second of these two gigs that he would never play
NYC again.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:33:40 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: beetles
i don't folo pop music or insectology much, but i dig those beatles a
lot. i bought their complete works -- on vinyl, the english version,
lacking only magic mystery tour -- a few years ago and would hate it if
you were going to shoot me in the head if i didn't give it up. let me
keep that and the complete riverside monk and i would happily retreat
to desert island.
well, for a couple of weeks anyway.
martin
np. jimi hendrix -- gypsy eyes from new 4cd set, mostly unreleased
stuff including two versions of little wing. can i take this too? and a
case of bombay sapphire? and the medalists in the women's pole vault?
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:43:55 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: new releases
Bill Ashline wrote:
>
> Of the two, though, I think Majoun is the strongest; in
> fact I'm sure it will be one of my favorites of the year, though as usual
> I'm arriving three years late.
Try to track down the Deihim/Horowitz disc from the late 80s, _Desert Equations:
Azax Attra_ (Crepescule/Made to Measure), which is stronger than _Majoun_ IMHO,
if only because the production is much more immediate.
Horowitz had a nice solo LP in the early 80s, _Eros in Arabia_, which I don't
think has ever been laserized. It should be.
- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
-- I Wayan Lotring
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:45:56 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: ooh, jimi w/ larry young
"it's too bad" it's called, and sweet lord it's baad.
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:05:03 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: dolphy/mingus duet
thank god someone on this list listens to the classics and it is dan
hewins:
>Yes, but there is (at least) one sax/bass track on one of the live
>records of the great, great Mingus 5tet. I can't remember the name
>of the tune they play but it's beautiful.
i mean, how can you talk of sax/bass duet without mentioning "what
love"?!
they get it on one-a-mano-a-manoonone for what, 10 minutes of this 15
minute cut, throwing away equal temperment, just having this very
verbal dialogue. October 1960. I believe this is currently available on
Candid CCD 79005 "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus." run, don't
crawl begging and drooling please give it to me, i have money money
money.
martin
np: mingus/dolphy all the things you could be by now if sigmund freud's
wife was your mother.
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:09:26 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: beetles
At 11:33 PM -0700 10/3/00, Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote:
>let me
>keep that and the complete riverside monk and i would happily retreat
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Truly one of the great cultural treasures of all time. I wish it
hadn't been ripped off from the local library...
No real point to my message here, other than my sheer enthusiasm for
the Monk box set.
Carry on,
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:45:16 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: siggy don leave bring it on mof
43
i look good without a shirt
i don lose my compsure in high-speed chase
my friends think i'm ugly
i gotta masculine face
i got some dragstrip courage
i can really drive a bed
i'm gonna change my name to hannibal maybe just rex
i remain
richard o'toole
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:12:57 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Age
Hey,
Might be interesting to know who is the youngest member on the list. I seem
to remember an "introduction" message written by someone who was 14.
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:40:29 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: drumming
Hey,
Drums are the only instrument for me where speed and power ALONE is enough
to make it interesting. I don't care for fast guitar playing and if I hear
another Brotzmann squeek on the saxophone, I might fall asleep.
But drums is something different. Don't know why, but that loud rush of
pounding noise always get me.
The single hardest/fastest drumming I have ever heard is Mick Harris in the
Napalm Death "Peel Sessions" CD. Amazing and totally exiting!
I love heavy metal drumming, but the thing is, all the other stuff is
terrible. Come on, metal guitar? It's horrible!
Any recommendations for drums heavy, guitar soft metal bands?
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:46:34 +0200
From: Shlomo Weintraub <ba4205@fen.baynet.de>
Subject: Re: Age
here comes the next kid. I'm 22! And I look great wearing old mans
clothing, so i look at least like 43.
8-()
"Neil H. Enet" schrieb:
> I'm 21. I hope I'm not considered a kid now!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Neil H. Enet
> ------------
>
> PS. I'm going to be 22 in January :-)
>
> NP. BEN NEILL: goldbug
>
> -
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:50:10 -0400
From: "Risser Family" <risser@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Einstein was a drummer/Ringo Starr
> I agree in the sense that I find the Beatles overrated... they could
> have used editing, yes, but still, I think some of their works are
> just downright genius. I repeat. SOME. Like "Tomorrow Never Knows",
> which was probably the first techno song since it was constructed
> over a tape loop, sound fx, blah.
>
> Still, any Zappa from the 60s probably destroys them.
I think Zappa is alright, but there's a guy who could have really used some
editing.
I know I'm on thin ice here on this list, but...
Yeah, I think he could have.
Peter
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:56:29 +0200 (DST)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
Tim Keenliside:
>>Why not listen to the real thing? Or
>>do you prefer to hear Wynton Marsalis play Louis
>>Armstrong, Randy Hansen play Jimi Hendrix, etc. Why stop
>>at the monkey when you can go straight to the organ
>>grin
I respect your view, but does it extend to the point
that I should throw my copy of THE BIG GUNDOWN away? Or
Caine's PRIMAL LIGHT?
But my real answer is, I listen to them because I really
enjoy them and like them. And I listen to them together
with originals.And BTW what is the definition of
THE REAL THING?
respect,
manolis
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:26:03 -0500
From: "abulafia" <abulafia@i1.net>
Subject: age
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:38:29 -0400
From: "Joslyn Layne" <joslay@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: age, etc.
It's not necessarily the age of the list population that makes it more
mature.. there are jazz lists that i read where the average age is much
higher than, say one of the indie lists you speak of, and the posts there
are just as inane. or lists of almost entirely 'adults' that are mostly
attacks & hyperbole. real helpful.
In fact, this is the only discussion list i've yet encountered that
features substance instead of an overwhelming amount of personal exchange
and 'oooh, i just love musicians!' fluff.
As for our demographic poll, i am both female and under 26 -- 25.
<no teasing or i'll sock you>
joslyn
p.s. i recently began a 'landmark avant-garde jazz album' feature on my
weekly radio show (( www.wcbn.org )) so far, i have played Ayler's "Bells,"
Roscoe Mitchell's "Sound" and Ornette Coleman's "Shape of Jazz to Come."
Obviously, this is in no particular order. Today it'll either be Coltrane's
"Ascension" or Jimmy Giuffre's "Free Fall." i will have a time deciding on
which AEC and which Sun Ra, i know that much. Anyway, i bring this up,
because i would appreciate and enjoy suggestions from you folk. respond
directly if you don't want to fill the list up with suggestions.... jml
- ------------------------------
I'm willing to bet that the average age on the list is higher than
mid 20s...but I'm just going on a hunch. I am also going on the
perceived maturity of posts and responses. On various indie rock
lists I'm on, the posts and banter is often adolescent at best.
There aren't any "we toos" to speak of on this list, which I really
like. The people I personally know that are on this list are all
over 26.
I'm not female either.
Dan Hewins
At 5:01 PM -0400 10/3/00, &c. wrote:
>I was under the impression that most of the group
>fell into the mid-20s age group. It sounds like the group is a lot older
>now. On a somewhat related note...are there many female members of this
>list?
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:31:08 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Age/Pluramon
In a message dated 10/4/00 4:13:57 AM, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes:
<< Might be interesting to know who is the youngest member on the list. I=20
seem=20
to remember an "introduction" message written by someone who was 14. >>
when Tom Pratt joined the list a few years ago, he was 15, and sent a=20
introductory message containing that info, so maybe that's who you mean. he'=
s=20
off-list now, though, getting more than enough music discussion at his job a=
t=20
Other Music.
both NYC Pluramon shows were very good. Schmickler strummed a guitar=20
repetitively and the drummer, J=F6chen Ruckert, played restrained riffs to a=
=20
click track. the third member of the band is Marcus' laptop, adding bassline=
s=20
and the occasional burst of noisy electronics. they mostly focus on setting=20
up loping grooves, but the second half of both sets was more energetic, whic=
h=20
was refreshing after so much restraint (standing on the verge of getting it=20
on, to quote one of my favorite P-Funk songs). they reminded me a bit of=20
Radian, the Austrian trio who have two superb releases out on Rhiz and=20
Mego/Rhiz, both of which are recommended to anyone interested in the=20
intersection between rock and electronics.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:45:06 -0400
From: Nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Age
today is my 30th birthday. please feel free to send me zorn discs
and exotic japanese merzbow recordings. and, uh, yes, i am male.
n
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:12:50 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: MASADA in Brussels
For those interested I have collected the
following information:
26/11 Jon Zorn MASADA will play at
Koninklijk Circus = Onderrichtstraat/Rue de l'Enseignement, 1000 Brussels.
It's near (+/- 10 min. walking) to the trainstation 'Brussel
Centraal/Bruxelles Centrale'.
Tickets are BF 800/1000/1200, credit card holders can call
+32-2-5078200, no reservations.
manolis
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E. Papagiannakis
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam tel: +31 20 4447934
Biophysics fax: +31 20 4447999
De Boelelaan 1081
1081 HV, Amsterdam
The Netherlands
- -----------------------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:03:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean BonJovi <mrunpleasant@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
There's surely a difference between Laswell's
dub(ious) splice jobs from existing material and, say,
Zorn's interpretation and subsequent re-recording of a
Morricone composition. "Panthalssa" was for yuppies
and fits nicely in the collection right between
"Legend" and "Hotel California".
love, sean
n.p. Wayne Shorter "The All Seeing Eye".
> Tim Keenliside:
> >>Why not listen to the real thing? Or
> >>do you prefer to hear Wynton Marsalis play Louis
> >>Armstrong, Randy Hansen play Jimi Hendrix, etc.
> Why stop
> >>at the monkey when you can go straight to the
> organ
> >>grin
>
>
> I respect your view, but does it extend to the point
> that I should throw my copy of THE BIG GUNDOWN away?
> Or
> Caine's PRIMAL LIGHT?
> But my real answer is, I listen to them because I
> really
> enjoy them and like them. And I listen to them
> together
> with originals.And BTW what is the definition of
> THE REAL THING?
>
> respect,
> manolis
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:13:29 -0500
From: perdida <mbraendl@yorku.ca>
Subject: list demographics
Zach pondered...
I was under the impression that most of the group
fell into the mid-20s age group. It sounds like the group is a lot older
now. On a somewhat related note...are there many female members of this
list?
I am 48 and female, biologically, in any case. My musical
interests might cast doubt on where my psyche places in both the gender
and age continuums (continua??).
Best
marianne
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: selfcriticism and organs
Jerzy inquired:
> > > Tell me please, who in your opinion was the best
> organ player in the rock
> > > realm between 67-72.
Joseph Zitt proposed:
> Depending how far you stretch "rock": Miles Davis.
> As on trumpet,
> not a lot of notes, but the right ones at the right
> time.
Scott Handley muses:
Agreed---Miles did pretty sick things with the
electric organ. "Rated X" from GET UP WITH IT is at
once mind-numbing, chilling, posthuman, and a fucking
_groove_. And not a shard of trumpet on it. Catch
the, er, extended pun? (The track, I mean;
poetically, a conceit. Or is that obvious?)
- -----s
NP: Noel Akchote, RIEN (Winter & Winter) (unnerving,
and bleak; certainly best digested, if not
appreciated, when semiconscious; I'm at work so
there's no problem there)
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:44:27 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Bill Laswell's Reconstructions
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:03:15AM -0700, Sean BonJovi wrote:
> There's surely a difference between Laswell's
> dub(ious) splice jobs from existing material and, say,
> Zorn's interpretation and subsequent re-recording of a
> Morricone composition. "Panthalssa" was for yuppies
> and fits nicely in the collection right between
> "Legend" and "Hotel California".
Hmm... if Panthalassa was a "splice" job, then so were the original Teo
Macero-edited versions of the same material. Same result, slightly
newer technologies. Maybe you have room next to "Hotel California" for
"In a Silent Way", "Big Fun", and "Get Up with It" too? Or are they in
some sense better only for having been there first?
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