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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, August 17 2000       Volume 03 : Number 012



In this issue:
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       Re: Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens
       Re: Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens
       Defunkt on cd?
       Eyvind Kang's NADEs
       Re: Defunkt on cd?
       classic cobra snipet query
       korean music - kim suk chul?
       Beck and the Boredoms
       Re: korean music - kim suk chul?
       Re: korean music - kim suk chul?
       RLW-Tulpas
       Re: korean music - kim suk chul?
       Re: korean music
       Logic?
       Re: Logic?
       chango spasiuk
       Trumpet for beginner's (NON ZORN RELATED)
       Re: korean music
       Re: Logic?
       Re: classic cobra snipet query
       RE: chango spasiuk
       Joey Baron - We'll soon find out...

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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:14:19 -0700
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens

> ICP: Sept. 4

Wow. The Insane Clown Posse is playing at The Knit? Never would have
guessed.

Cheers,
Nirav
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drama, with a fixed, unchangeable point of view- the witless repetitive
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:35:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens

In a message dated Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]> writes:

<< > ICP: Sept. 4

Wow. The Insane Clown Posse is playing at The Knit? Never would have
guessed.

 >>

Ohhh gawd...nevermind me...just cleaning up the iced tea that shot out my nose...

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=dg=

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hywel Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: Defunkt on cd?

anyone know if the Defunkt album "thermonuclear sweat"
will ever appear on cd?
also, anyone an opinion on the (chicago?) band Isotope
217? i heard a good track on the radio recently,i
think the cd was called "who stole the i walkman?"


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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:13 GMT
From: "Mike Tolento" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eyvind Kang's NADEs

I have enjoyed Eyvind KangÆs Tzadik releases "7 NADEs" and "Theater of
Mineral NADEs" immensely, as well as the "Sweetness of Sickness" album.  I
havenÆt heard "The Story of Iceland" yet but IÆm looking forward to getting
a hold of it eventually.  Any comments on the new release?

Even more exciting than his impressive, often insane playing are the hidden
concepts behind his compositions.  I get the impression thereÆs a vast
framework being built.  With repeated listenings I hear brief connections
throughout his work that hint at something B I G.  My question then is, what
exactly is a NADE?  Apparently Eyvind himself hasnÆt revealed much.  HereÆs
the best clue IÆve found so far.  Taken from
www.sonarchy.org/studio/aspfeatures/kang2.html

"Some NADEs are contained within other NADEs, some are very short, others
longer. In performance. some NADEs will use film and dance as visual
corollary."
There are 23 NADEs in all, however very few of the NADEs have been composed
yet. With his ASP grant, Eyvind set out to record and mix the first seven
NADEs, transforming them from concepts into "living NADEs." For the
recording of the NADEs, an ensemble was formed, comprised of 3 violins,
cello, flute, trumpet, trombone, acoustic bass, harpsichord, electric
guitar, a vocalist and narrators speaking in Japanese and French. Several of
the NADEs were improvisational in nature, taking inspiration from sketches
Eyvind drew yet bearing similar rhythmic structures to the highly composed
NADEs.ö

Can anybody add any more to that?


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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:55:59 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Defunkt on cd?

At 5:15 AM 8/15/00, Hywel Davies wrote:
>also, anyone an opinion on the (chicago?) band Isotope
>217? i heard a good track on the radio recently,i
>think the cd was called "who stole the i walkman?"
>
I haven't heard "I Walkman" yet, but have heard their first 2 CD's, neither
impressed me greatly. But I did see them live last year, and they were
terrific: straight-up Miles-ish fusion with a lot of energy, and the reason
I didn't like the CD's was that they were generally pretty low energy.

On a related note, I've been really liking the Chicago Underground Duo's
"Synesthesia" disc lately. CUD is Isotope trumpetter Rob Mazurek and
drummer/percussionist Chad Taylor. This record has a lot of really nice use
of analog synths combined with acoustic improv, similar to Herbie Hancock's
Sextant, but with a smaller group.

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:04:51 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: classic cobra snipet query

I was listening to the Hat Hut Cobra 2LP
again after what sounds like an eternity, and I was wondering
if anybody could post what symphonic-like music record marclay
is throwing in midway through side A. My first guess was
Mahler but it's probably rather someone like Weill...

Stephane


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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:58:09 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: korean music - kim suk chul?

KOREAN MUSIC - more than once, someone has mentioned a Korean music,
   though the music sounds like it might not be "traditional" in the
   common sense.  Is the name Kim Suk Chul?  Could someone correct me
   on the artist and give names of albums/labels/distributors or
   outlets?  Other recommendations of Korean music, new and old, would
   be most welcomed.

Thanks in advance,

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sigmund Nonanima <[e-mail]>
Subject: Beck and the Boredoms

Okay, this has probably been talked about before, but
I just joined the list;
Does anyone know if Beck's new ablum, "Midnite
Vultures," features the Boredoms on the hidden track?
I'm torn, myself, because Beck usually indulges in
extended hidden tracks (similar to his latest), but
this one sounds in style like old Boredoms and in
production like new Boredoms...
and Beck thanks Eye and the Boredoms in the liner
notes, and Eye does the artwork...
I hope this isn't a stupid question.

[long live evil gnol]


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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:21:57 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: korean music - kim suk chul?

>From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <[e-mail]>
>
>KOREAN MUSIC - more than once, someone has mentioned a Korean music,
>   though the music sounds like it might not be "traditional" in the
>   common sense.  Is the name Kim Suk Chul?  Could someone correct me
>   on the artist and give names of albums/labels/distributors or
>   outlets?  Other recommendations of Korean music, new and old, would
>   be most welcomed.

Kim Sook-chul--hojok (piri)--is a Korean national treasure (such treasures
are given a number by the government).  As I'm sure everyone knows, his work
was sampled on Ground Zero's fabulous Consume Red.

Other recommendations:  Samulnori is absolutely essential.  their best stuff
though is on Korean labels run by the chaebol (check out Samsung, SK, etc.).
  They're a traditional Korean percussion ensemble playing rhythms of the
folk and farming traditions.  One can hear these instruments at any given
time at all universities around Korea.

I can make other recommendations regarding improv artists if you give me a
bit more time to pull my resources together.  If you can't find any CDs, let
me know.  I live in Seoul and can get most of everything.  The traditional
performances are often on local TV, and I can make tapes if you're
interested.

Bill

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:47:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: korean music - kim suk chul?

In a message dated 8/15/00 4:59:00 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Is the name Kim Suk Chul?  Could someone correct me
   on the artist and give names of albums/labels/distributors or
   outlets?  Other recommendations of Korean music, new and old, would
   be most welcomed. >>

the Kim Suk Chul CD I have is amazing, Shamanistic Ceremonies Of The Eastern
Seaboard (JVC). a real eye-opener, sounding somewhat like an incredible lost
free jazz record from the early seventies. highly, highly recommended if
you're lucky enough to find it.

<<If you can't find any CDs, let me know.  I live in Seoul and can get most
of everything. >>

are there a lot of Chul CDs available? I scoured NYC and the WWW a while
back, and didn't come up with much. I'd love to hear more...

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:04:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RLW-Tulpas

I just wanted to mention this 5 CD set again, since I've been gradually
making my way through it again over the last week. it's a 1997 project by
German composer/sound artist Ralf Wehowsky, and features contributions from
50 artists, everyone from Ryoji Ikeda to Rehberg and Bauer to Aube to John
Duncan to Christoph Heemann to Merzbow, on and on. but it never sounds like a
compilation or a tribute record, far from it. each of the five CDs was
ordered by Wehowsky with a specific concept in mind, and the whole project is
pretty flawless.

fans of the recent wave of electroacoustic improv and Kevin Drumm
specifically should make it a priority to pick this up. Drumm was greatly
influenced by Wehowsky, which Kevin would be the first to tell you. the two
actually have a collaborative CD coming out on RLW's label, Selektion
(www.selektion.com), in the near future.

anyway, it's 6 hours long and 32 bucks at Anomalous
(www.anomalousrecords.com).

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:49:41 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: korean music - kim suk chul?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 01:21
Subject: Re: korean music - kim suk chul?


> Other recommendations:  Samulnori is absolutely essential.  their best
stuff
> though is on Korean labels run by the chaebol (check out Samsung, SK,
etc.).
>   They're a traditional Korean percussion ensemble playing rhythms of the
> folk and farming traditions.

actually, there is more  zorn-related content here!

thee was a '96 project of samul nori with the swiss group singing drums
(pierre favre, lucas niggli, roberto ottaviano, michel godard) together with
tom cora -

a great idea, and unfortunately only a one-off project, although the Basel
concert
was great (and taped, and once a potential release).

Stephane



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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:37:26 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: korean music

Besides SamulNori, another astonishing traditional korean music is P'ansori
singing. It is a vocal art that would be an equivalent to a traditional
popular opera. Except that in P'ansori, the singer is alone with a hand
drummer, and sings all the roles. For example, the classic P'ansori piece
"Chunnyang" (an equivalent to "Romeo and Juliette") by Korean National
Treasure Kim So-Hee is long enough to fill a 6CD box. Yes, one singer
alone, 6 CDs...
I find in P'ansori emotions as intense as with Flamenco Puro singing (or
even more intense ?), with an extra oriental twist that makes it
furthermore really weird to occidental ears. As weird as some free improv,
maybe.
You might have already heard P'ansori if you've seen the beautiful korean
movie "Sopyonje" by Im Kwon Taek (this was broadcasted on french TV a few
years ago as "La chanteuse de P'ansori").
Or if you've heard of Zingaro's equestrial theatre, a previous show,
"Eclipse" featured korean musicians, including a P'ansori singer...

Recommendations, now
- - My first introduction to P'ansori was through the album "P'ansori -
Korea's Eric Vocal Art & Instrumental Music" (1999), featuring a few tracks
by Kim So-Hee. It's on WEA/ATLANTIC/NONESUCH and does not limit itself to
P'ansori but also includes instrumental pieces. So I think it's a good
introduction to traditional korean music in general. It can be found anywhere.
- - Then you can try any album by Kim So-Hee (I directly headed to the 6CD
Chunnyang, but you don't have to !!!).
- - Ahn Sook-Seon did also beautiful things, not limited to the P'ansori art.

Then, two places to go:
- - to order CDs (relatively cheap, but less and less traditional music
available):    http://www.koreapop.com/  (used to be iodo.com)
- - for low-quality sound samples:
http://www.wa.gov/art/fa/Korean%20p'ansori%20musical%20features.htm

Hope it can help.

Pascal Cortes.


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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:21:25 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Logic?

Anyone have the name and label of any CDs released by DJ Logic? Thanks in
advance, Stephen







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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:30:57 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Logic?

DJ Logic Website: http://www.djlogic.com/  (you can buy the Project Logic
CD on this website).

Otherwise the label for the Project Logic CD is: Ropeadope
(http://www.ropeadope.com/)

Pascal


At 11:21 16/08/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Anyone have the name and label of any CDs released by DJ Logic? Thanks in
>advance, Stephen
>


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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:08:18 +0200
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: chango spasiuk

Any idea where I can order Chango Spasiuks 'Polcas de mi tierra'?

Thank you


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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:28:53 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trumpet for beginner's (NON ZORN RELATED)

Hello list,

    The last couple of months I've been wanting to learn to play the trumpet,
so I was wondering if there is somekind of BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO TRUMPETS in
the internet where I can get information on prices, what should I buy, what
I shouldn't get, what I need, etc.

Thanks very much (please, response privately)

Neil H. Enet
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:02:25 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: korean music

By the way.... if any of you Zorn addicts heard about a videotape of that
movie with subtitles (french, english or spanish), I've been looking for
one desperately for 2 years. I was told by the producer that videotapes are
only available in korean. So if one of you recorded it when it was
broadcasted, please, e-mail me privately.

The movie is "Sopyonje" by Im Kwon Taek. Spellings may vary depending on
source.
Was broadcasted on french TV a few years ago as "La chanteuse de P'ansori".

Thanks a lot (and sorry for non zorn content)
Pascal.



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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:53:41 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Logic?

At 11:21 AM 8/16/00, Stephen Fruitman wrote:
>Anyone have the name and label of any CDs released by DJ Logic? Thanks in
>advance, Stephen

Project Logic, on Rope-A-Dope records, w/ Melvin Gibbs, John Medeski,
Graham Haynes, Ribot, and many others. Parts of the record are great, parts
are a little too happyjazz for me. Ths band is very good live, though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Richard Pettersson
>Department of History of Science and Ideas
>Ume=E5 University
>S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden
>Phone: [phone]
>Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74
>
>E-mail: [e-mail]
>
>
>
>-

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:24:46 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: classic cobra snipet query

At 10:04 PM 8/15/00 +0200, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>I was listening to the Hat Hut Cobra 2LP
>again after what sounds like an eternity, and I was wondering
>if anybody could post what symphonic-like music record marclay
>is throwing in midway through side A. My first guess was
>Mahler but it's probably rather someone like Weill...

No idea here, sounds like film music to me, but for those with the CD, it's
on the studio version, the opening of track 4 (Moderato).

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Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:34:30 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: chango spasiuk

Hi,

Accordion extraordinaire Chango Spasiuk's  "Polcas de mi Tierra" was
released by Acqua Records, an Argentine label. Their Email address is:

[e-mail]

Spassiuk's Web Page is www.changospasiuk.com.ar

Try on line: www.zivals.com

Hope this helps,

Hugo Linares

PS: If you can't get it, let me know privately.




- -----Mensaje original-----
De: dekater <[e-mail]>
Para: zornlist <[e-mail]>
Fecha: MiΘrcoles 16 de Agosto de 2000 07:10 AM
Asunto: chango spasiuk


>Any idea where I can order Chango Spasiuks 'Polcas de mi tierra'?
>
>Thank you
>
>
>-
>


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joey Baron - We'll soon find out...

     For those of you who own the album before this
one, "Down Home," you will know what to expect.
Although I find this album to be a bit more mature,
defined, and the ideas are stronger this time around.
Nice art work too.  The playing has improved as well.
It sounds like everyone is supremely comfortable and
the solos are pleasant.  Joey has some groove oriented
solos too, which were really entirely absent from the
"Down Home" recording.
     But, really, how can one go wrong with this
line-up.... (frisell, blythe, carter, baron)

- -Theo

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