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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #10
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Zorn List Digest Friday, August 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 010
In this issue:
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tortoise
RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog
Re: Ken Vandermark
zorn's blowing
Re: zorn's blowing
RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog
Re: tortoise
Re: tortoise
knit fac west
cora
Re: Brotzmann
Baron, Eskelin (was Re: cora)
Re: cora
Re: knit fac west
Non-Zorn: Gelb-Bickley-Zitt at DMG Sunday
[none]
Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:52:39 -0400
From: "Bob Kowalski" <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: tortoise
I've been thouroughly enjoying 4 Tortoise discs: TNT, Millions Living Will =
Never Die, Untitled and the Remix one and have couple of ?s for the =
zornsters... Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw =
it listed in an 1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.) =
Also, whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled & =
Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at shops? =
Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated import prices?
Two more ?s (feeling needy today) on related side projects:=20
I'm currently looking for the Pullman CD, which I think is a side project =
by Tortoise & friends? Any feedback good/bad?
Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members participated=
in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea & Cake members =
are also on it? Vocals at all? =20
A related recommendation / shout out to the side project Brokeback, which =
is too cool. Lo-fi ambient Tortoise if ya can dig, with some help from =
StereoLab buddies!
Thats it for today's queries - happy listening=20
Bob
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:26 -0400
From: "Joslyn Layne" <joslay@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog
i second the recommendation of DKV's, live in Wels & Chicago. it really
captures how great they are- very fiery, all-inclusive performances. i also
really enjoy their album with Fred Anderson, also on Okkadisk. for whatever
reason, i don't get into many of the Vandermark 5 albums, and i haven't
heard much off of the newest one to know yet. but i can heartily recommend
the following things-vandermark: anything by the DKV Trio, Simpatico, Steam
[atavistic], Design in Time [delmark], and any of the AALY releases [Mats
Gustafsson's trio + Vandermark]. being a fan of both Sun Ra and Funkadelic,
what i've heard off of the Spaceways Inc. sounds great, there is also a new
Ayler tribute or Ayler-based project on Knitting Factory called Witches &
Devils. in all, Vandermark's been busy, i'd say.
can't wait to see Vandermark 5 and DKV Trio on the same bill here in
Michigan at Edgefest in October.
as for Die Like a Dog, i have listened to them all and, if i had to pick, my
favorites are the first two FMP releases, Die Like a Dog and Little Birds
Have Fast Hearts, No.1. Saw the group (with trumpeter Roy Campbell instead
of Toshinori Kondo since c.'98-- wonder why) earlier this year and can only
say that Hamid Drake and William Parker never cease to amaze and the two
together in a group is indescribably astounding.
i'll stop before the hyperbole starts to really gush forth,
but DKV and Die Like a Dog are among my favorite working groups,
so i couldn't help but sing a little bit of praise!
joslyn
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:23:34 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark
Don't miss the Ken Vandermark Five's TARGET OR FLAG (Atavistic ALP106CD).
Stellar.
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:36:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: jason tors <JASONTORS@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: zorn's blowing
I have noticed that zorn has been playing a lot better
the past three or four times I have seen him live. The
recent reports from sevilla masada is that his playing
is top notch. I wonder what he has cooking up that he
is getting back into such good shape with his playing?
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:32 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: Re: zorn's blowing
jason tors wrote:
I wonder what he has cooking up that he
> is getting back into such good shape with his playing?
>
If you're thinking what I'm thinking, then you're thinking "Classic
Guide to Strategy, Vols. 3-5." It would be nice, wouldn't it, but
perhaps best not to hold one's breath.
William Crump
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:26:05 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog
<chiming>
I'll have to third, or fourth----forth!----Joslyn's and others'
recommendations of at least some of Vandermark's projects. Seeing DKV live
with Fred Anderson (who is super, super fine---as dignified, humorous, and
generous with his spiderweb solos as you could ever desire...the comparisons
with Ornette aren't unwarranted, though I've felt that the similarity is
more in the spirit and humor that comes from the juxtaposition of "cells",
repetition, etc., almost the same effect as sampling and cuts in hip-hop
[basing this on my own rather sub-literate familiarity with hip-hop, but I
think of Terminator X, ELP or whoever does DJ work with COmpany Flow,
Premier, etc etc] but without the radical abruptness of John Zorn's or
[speaking of germinating cells] Tim Berne's playing) at the (Re)Soundings
Festival in Atlanta a couple years ago was a tremendous experience, with
Vandermark memorably creating the better part of a searingly energetic solo
out of a single altissimo shriek. The DKV live double album is much more
interesting---IMHO---than either BARAKA (studio, Okkadisk) or the limited
edition LIVE album, which are the only two others I've heard. Hamid Drake,
for me, _had_ to be experienced live, had to be seen to be believed; I
suspect the same is true of people like Paul Lovens. I'll send another post
about percussionists, though. Now to...
Peter Brotzmann, Fred Hopkins, and Hamid played a long improvisation which
was just _searing_. The groove absolutely gripped them all at times, and
Brotzmann veritably _danced_ in place while blowing possessed Texas (by way
of Bavaria?) blues. The bombs Drake would drop under Brotz's playing were
so perfect, so _logical_ in retrospect, that more than a few times the
entire section of the audience I was in almost rose to their feet: arms
fluttered high like pidgeons---we shouted at them, we were helpless. It was
an evening of maximum R&B with so much more than blowing at stake, just
undiluted love for the music. Which I suppose belated brings me to my
point: the same chemistry applies to the Die Like a Dog Quartet, one of my
favorites among jazz's working groups. I agree with Joslyn about the DIE
LIKE A DOG and LITTLE BIRDS HAVE FAST HEARTS (vol. 1) being my favorites; I
think Kondo's live electronics were my first taste of the possibilities of
electronics in an improvised setting, outside the confines of a studio. At
any rate, those two records are terrific and are quite a bit more varied and
interesting to me than anything else I've heard from Brotz (with possible
exceptions of the Chicago Octet/Tentet and the unbelievable LIVE IN BERLIN
1971). Essential starting music for "energy" free-jazz, and a great way out
from punk (I'm guilty of a little evangelism, though now I'm hooked on punk
stuff, so I suppose it's more like Catholicism...)
Geez, I suppose I should journal or somthing. Sorry for the long message!
</chiming><lurk>
P.S. It's been a little while since the Ken Vandermark/Paul Lytton double
album ENGLISH SUITES came out. Are there any more opinions about it?
Cheers: avanti!
- -----s
NP: Jim O'Rourke, EUREKA (I can see how he would be pissed at smug "indie
kids"---as he calls them---thinking all he was up to was kitsch; there is
clearly so much more happening on this record. Which is gorgeous, BTW.)
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- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:36 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Your Imaginary Friend)
Subject: Re: tortoise
>I've been thouroughly enjoying 4 Tortoise discs: TNT, Millions Living Will
>Never Die, Untitled and the Remix one and have couple of ?s for the
>zornsters...
>
Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw it listed in an
1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.)
Yep, the first remix album, _Rhythms, Resolutions and Clusters_ -
reworkings of tracks from the first (self-titled) album.
Also, whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled &
Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at shops?
Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated import prices?
Sort of a common deal for Japanese pressings of contempo stuff: since
imports can actually be cheaper than the domestic releases there, the
Japanese versions are often augmented with bonus tracks to make them more
enticing to the consumer.
I don't know about the first album, but _Millions now Living..._ has three
bonus tracks, two of which comprised their out-of-print Duophonic 12" -
some of their best work, IMHFO. The Japanese _TNT_ features a Nobukazu
Takemura remix of the title track (haven't heard it).
>Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members
>participated in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea &
>Cake members are also on it? Vocals at all?
_Reach the Rock_ - very Tortoise-y, as John McEntire did most of the
soundtrack. With cuts by Tortoise, Polvo, The Sea and Cake, and Dianogah -
the Sea and Track track has some pretty inobtrusive vocals; otherwise it's
all instrumental.
Jon M.
_________________________
Radio Free Norman
96.7 FM
http://freecenter.digiweb.com/music/RadioFreeNorman
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:56:22 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: tortoise
>Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw it listed
>in an 1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.) Also,
>whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled &
>Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at
>shops? Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated
>import prices?
These indie bands always have so many releases it's hard to keep
track of. Luckily for you I keep track of Tortoise's. The only full
lengths that I consider their "albums" are "Millions...", "TNT", and
the eponymous one. The remix one is full length but it actually a
compilation of a bunch of 12" remix vinyls. The Japanese imports
have extra tracks and remixes on them, not to be found elsewhere.
There is "The Digest Compendium of the Tortoise World" which is
somewhat of a compilation disc for Japanese release that contains
some of their early 7" material (Mosquito, Gooseneck, etc.), some
released material form the s/t record, as well as some otherwise
unreleased (to my knowledge) remixes (one by Steve Albini). The
"Millions...", and "TNT" Japanese releases also contain extra tracks
but I don't know what they are. They are not double CDs. Your best
bet on these is eBay or Gemm.com. Oh yeah, there is also something
called "Rhythms, Resolutions & Clusters" which apparently was
released in the US but is OOP now as far as I can tell. Check this
page for good, useful info:
http://brainwashed.com/tortoise/discog.html.
>I'm currently looking for the Pullman CD, which I think is a side
>project by Tortoise & friends? Any feedback good/bad?
I got this and I'm not to excited about it. It's acoustic music and
I think it's just OK. You don't need to go out of your way to hear
it.
>Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members
>participated in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea
>& Cake members are also on it? Vocals at all?
"Reach the Rock". Great soundtrack record, one of my favorites.
It's mostly a John McEntire record. He scored, performed, and
recorded most of the material on the record. Really, really good
stuff. Pretty mellow. There is one track each by Tortoise, The Sea
and Cake, Dianogah, Bundy K. Brown, and Polvo. Highly recommended
though I heard the film is no good.
Damn. Get indie on us and I miss all this work that I should be doing.
Dan Hewins
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:13:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: knit fac west
well, the LA times reported yesterday that the knitting factory west
opened that day (august 10th), but they did not indicate who was playing.
furthremore, i can't find any indication anywhere in the LA times of who
might be playing there - the knitting factory isn't even listed in the
jazz section (or the pop section or...) of the LA times' 'calandar'
section. so...anyone have any idea what's going on at the knitting
factory west? whoever was supposed to do advertising for them really
screwed up - or maybe they're hoping people will just show up because it's
the oh-so-legendary-given-reports-from-musicians-that-have-played-ther
*knitting factory*? (cf., john lurie's letter to the LA times, posted here
a while back).
in LA and wondering if there might actually be music worth going to see
for a change,
whit
- ------------------------------------------
William W. Schonbein
Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Program
Department of Philosophy
Washington University
St. Louis, MO, USA 63130-4899
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/
whit@twinearth.wustl.edu
- ------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hywel Davies <hywel99@yahoo.com>
Subject: cora
anyone any details of the forthcoming tom cora cd on
Knitting factory?
also, opinions of the new Joey Baron cd and Ellery
Eskelin's "ramifications" would be welcome...thanks.
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- -
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Date: 11 Aug 2000 17:20:59 -0000
From: "Tim Keenliside" <timkeen@disinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Brotzmann
< Peter Brotzmann's Die Like A Dog Quartet. Anyone have
any comments on that one.
One of the best groups I've ever experienced! Up there
with Ornette & Prime Time, Sun Ra, and of course, Masada.
The new edition with Roy Campbell on trumpet is an
amazingly solid, focused, out on the edge, hard blowin'
post-apocalyptic quartet...and Hamid Drake swings like no
one else, that cat is amazing! Everyone came away from
their recent gig at the Vancouver Jazz Fest realising
they'd just witnessed something unique. Check 'em out at
any cost!
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- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:30:35 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Baron, Eskelin (was Re: cora)
>also, opinions of the new Joey Baron cd and Ellery
>Eskelin's "ramifications" would be welcome...thanks.
What Joey Baron CD?
If ramifications is the 5tet (Black/Parkins trio + 2) then I'll say
simply that it's good. If you like the trio's records, then you'll
like this one.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:39:36 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: cora
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Hywel Davies wrote:
>
> anyone any details of the forthcoming tom cora cd on
> Knitting factory?
You mean that there is another one (besides the recently released IT'S A BRAND
NEW DAY - LIVE AT THE KNITTING FACTORY)?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:41:30 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: knit fac west
Whit Schonbein wrote:
> well, the LA times reported yesterday that the knitting factory west
> opened that day (august 10th), but they did not indicate who was playing.
> furthremore, i can't find any indication anywhere in the LA times of who
> might be playing there - the knitting factory isn't even listed in the
> jazz section (or the pop section or...) of the LA times' 'calandar'
When I phoned him with similar questions about a week ago, Dorf told me that
the club would be operating as of now, but doesn't really formally open to
the public until September 16 or thereabouts. Before that, it's supposedly
just a series of private parties, industry functions and the like. When they
actually do open, there will definitely be a big media splash. Right
now I
think they're just quietly "playing the club in" after all the delays.
Supposedly such acts as Dave Douglas, Sonic Youth and even Ornette are booked
for dates coming soon.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Scott Colley, "Metropolis," 'The Magic Line' (Arabesque) - nice trio
with Chris Potter and Bill Stewart
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:36:54 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Non-Zorn: Gelb-Bickley-Zitt at DMG Sunday
Just a moment to toot my own horn: This Sunday at 7 PM, Tom Bickley
and I (of the ensembles Comma and Gray Code) will be performing with
shakuhachi player Phil Gelb at Downtown Music Gallery in NYC. Expect
unexpected combinations of winds and voices.
I look forward to the possibility of meeting some of the NYC
contingent there.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:17:54 -0400
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: [none]
For those in New England; Masada will be playing the Newport Fest(in
Newport, of all places) this sunday.
further info at
http://festivalproductions.net/jvc/newport/schedule.shtml
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:36:48 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested
I liked several of them. 3 is legendary, but perasonally i liked the 4
(especially) and 5 better. The albums without Wyatt were generally worse,
had
less personality. The 6 is not a bad album, but I don't listen to it . I
had an album called 'Softs', wihich is quite worthless IMHO: a kind of early
mahavishnu rip-off. Seriously boring.
There were also great live albums. I had borrowed a 'live at the BBC'
from the times of 3, and it was GREAT!
Worth recommendation is also Wyatt's Matching Mole (that pronounces in a way
that makes similiar to french 'machine molle' - ie soft machine). I 've
heard an album them once, and it was really worth attention.
There's also an album by Carla Bley, European Tour 1977, that features some
ex-SM memebers (Hopper, Dean). It's really a great album, I recommend it
very seriously.
Marcin Gokieli
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