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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #4
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, August 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 004
In this issue:
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cornet v. trumpet: a layman's technical explanation
re: otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested
Re:experimental Cuba
Killer Joey
Re: "experimental cuba"
Playboy discovers Ribot...
RE: about merzbow..
Xu Feng
Re: Xu Feng
big gundown reissue
RE: Xu Feng
RE: Xu Feng
Masada and MMW management
next Unheard Music Series releases
Sonic Youth recommendations?
Re: Sonic Youth recommendations?
freddie redd's "ole"
RE: freddie redd's "ole"
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:44:10 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: cornet v. trumpet: a layman's technical explanation
Generally, from my remedial understanding:
Trumpet. The metal tubing is the same diameter from the mouthpiece
until it starts to flare into the bell. A combination of the tubing
diameter and the number of turns in the tubing combine to give it more
high overtones hence a brighter, brassier sound.
Cornet. The diameter of the tubing increases as you trace it from the
mouthpiece toward the bell, softening some of the higher overtones you
get with a trumpet. On the other hand, the cornet typically has more
twists in the tubing, which gives it a little punchier sound -- and
perhaps a less full midrange of overtones -- than the trumpet. (The
pocket trumpet has a hell of a lot of curves -- but the same length of
tubing as a trumpet. Comparing the two, you can here what all those
curves do to the sound -- basically, make it less rich, less full.
Pocket trumpets are typically more difficult to play in tune than
trumpets.)
Flugelhorn. The diameter of the tubing increases, even more
dramatically, than the cornet, hence the "mellow" sound (softening of
higher overtones). Additionally, there are fewer curves and they are at
broader angles, so it has a very rich palate of midrange overtones.
Generally less attractive in sound in the upper register than the above
horns.
Satchmo note: Louis Armstrong writes in one of his biographies, if
memory serves, as though the cornet was an inferior instrument and
speaks of graduating to the trumpet. The trumpet has the broadest range
of sounds most easily accessible....
Martin
np. GOP convention as heard from several dozen TV's in press pavilion
#1 at the First Union Center, Philadelphia.
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:27:33 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: re: otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested
i've heard Otomo Plays Yamashita, I'm not sure what to say about it. It's a
particularly long album, very diverse, jazz, reggae, pop, and of course, much
stranger things. I have to admit that I don't listen to it much. I'm not
exactly sure why, though. I'd much sooner reccomend Otomo's Cathode on
Tzadik, which is much easier to locate, among other things.
from,
matt
<A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins">MP3.com - matt wellins</A>
(http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins)
<A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins2">MP3.com - experiment in real time</A
> (http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins2)
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Date: 4 Aug 2000 03:06:37 -0000
From: "Tim Keenliside" <timkeen@disinfo.net>
Subject: Re:experimental Cuba
I was wondering what other "experimental" (or simply
>wonderful/great) cuban music CDs you'd recommend.
Try 'Biyumba Palo Congo' & 'Live at the Village Vanguard'
from the inspired pianist Chucho Valdes, or 'Yemaya', a
recent release from Irakere, his salsa/jazz ban
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:39:47 +0200
From: MartinS <ohrndorf@pixelpark.com>
Subject: Killer Joey
Last night I saw Joeys new band Killer Joey in Frankfurt/Germany. As you
might now this is Joey with Steve Cardenas on guitar, Tony Scherr on bass
and Brad Shepik replacing Adam Levy on guitar. The lineup suggests that this
might be a completely new approach. But it's basically a followup band from
his latest recodings. It is almost the same, very groove-orientated, solo
after solo stuff. But not bad (I could not imagine ever listening to Joey
and not enjoying it). Steve really rocked on some pieces, playing really
loud. I specially liked Brads playing, which was not so loud and very
interesting.
I think Joey prefers playing without using a PA system. This is great for
small club gigs because the sound is very intimate. Yesterdays concert was a
open-air gig with about more than 200 people listening. Playing without a
sound system resulted in a overall bad balanced sound specially from the
farther seats. So I found myself standing right in front of the stage trying
to catch the stage sound (which was cool).
Joey sold CDs of this band from the bandstand. The Killer Joey CD is
basically like a home made recording, sound quality is not really great. But
I like the idea of recording such a CD and selling it directly to the fans
at gigs. The people pulled the CDs out of Joeys hands, he must have sold
quite a few of them. This is really cool because the money goes directly to
the band and fans don't have to wait almost for years until some silly
recording company sets up its release strategy and puts out a CD.
BTW I heard that most of the DIW/Avant stuff and the whole Tzadik catalog is
no longer available in germany due to the crash of the german distribution
company 99records (no 'Live in Sevilla' - bah). So where is the good news?
- --martin
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:24:57 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr>
Subject: Re: "experimental cuba"
For a real experimental cuban music/improv mix, I would recommend "Fidel" by=
=20
Koch/Schutz/Studer & Musicos Cubanos on Intakt records.
Hans Koch: Clarinets, Saxophones, Electronics, Samples, Tapes, Sequencer
Martin Sch=FCtz: Electric 5string Cello, Acoustic Cello, Electronics,=
Samples
Fredy Studer: Drums, Percussion
+ Musicos Cubanos (voc, tres, perc, choir...)
Much more experimental than Ribot's cuban albums.
I also like a lot Steve Coleman's "The Sign and the Seal" (BMG/RCA Victor)
for its mix=20
between Coleman's typical approach to jazz, yoruba musical traditions (the
cuban group=20
AfroCuba de Matanzas) and rap (Kokayi on vocals).
Hope it helps.
Pascal Cortes (First post on the list)
NP: Die Like a Dog Quartet "From Valley to Valley"
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Playboy discovers Ribot...
Playboy has given Marc Ribot a "tip of the hat"
for his latest release... Just a small article... if
anyone is interested.
- -That which is Theo
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- -
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:58:12 -0400
From: Benjamin Pequet <pequet@altern.org>
Subject: RE: about merzbow..
>perhaps this is the incorrect place to post this message to, but i'm curious
>if anyone knows where any of Masami Akita's writings are available?
>I guess email me privately, unless you think it's relevant.
I would like to extend the question even if this is the incorrect place. His
domains of predilection are pop culture and sexual perversions, he has
published for magazines and books. He produced videos as well. I have heard
of installations and cd-roms too. A short list of his publications can be
found at http://www.xtr.com/extreme/merzbow.htm but doesn't seem to have
ever been updated. I would be very surprised to hear than anything has been
translated?
The two most comprehensive resources on the internet re. merzbow are,
besides mailing-lists dedicated to merzbow of course,
http://noiseweb.com/merzbow/ (interviews, very sensible reviews of the
material) and http://www.hut.fi/~omertalo/Merzbow.html (discography and
contacts).
PS sorry if this is old news, but digest version of the list plus messages
bouncing back and forth with majordomo, ... it has probably been mentioned
that Masami Akita makes the cover of the Wire of this month and has a long
interview (mostly taken from the merzbook though).
- --
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- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Xu Feng
Does anyone know what this album is about? CDNOW
has it for release in September, but I haven't heard
anything about it. New Material perhaps?
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
http://invites.yahoo.com/
- -
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:26:13 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Xu Feng
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Theo Klaase wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what this album is about? CDNOW
> has it for release in September, but I haven't heard
> anything about it. New Material perhaps?
According to Bruce Gallanter/DMG (February 1999):
"[...] A new Tzadik series for new versions of his game
pieces like "Xu Feng" and "Curling" will also be in the works."
The only thing on record concerning this game piece is:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
131 - (Y)EARBOOK volume 2: compilation of improvisation
This record features improvisations by Chris Jonas/Daniel Sarid, John Zorn
Ensemble, Ben Goldberg, The Molecules, Steve Adams, Morphic Resonance,
Miguel Frasconi, Pierre Dorge, Robert Marsanyi, Mike Hovancsek, Krystyna
Bodrowski, Keith Rowe, Anything Goes Orchestra.
2/ Xu Feng (excerpt) (Zorn) 5:50
Recorded live at the Great American Music Hall, San Francisco on September
9, 1991
Produced by Gino Robair
John Zorn: conductor; Myles Boisen: guitar; Gannon Hall: drums; Bob
Ostertag: sampler; David Slusser: electronics; Trey Spruance: guitar;
William Winant: percussion.
1992 - Rastascan Records (USA), BRD009 (CD)
Note: "The favorite actress of legendary director King Hu, Xu Feng was one
of the biggest stars in the Chinese film industry and more recently has
become a powerful producer. Game pieces after COBRA tended to be more
tangible than abstract, more dramatic, and this piece, written directly
after COBRA, focuses in on strategic elements resulting in a fast paced
competitive game not unlike the kung fu films Xu Feng starred in. The intro-
duction of sound MODIFIERS and the special instrumentation (although it has
been done with six drummers) helps give the piece a distinctive identity."
(John Zorn)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since I doubt that John gives concerts of excerpts from his game piece, there
are at least two versions of XU FENG, this one and the one from the Zorn month
at the KF in 1993.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:23:04 EDT
From: MorMovies@aol.com
Subject: big gundown reissue
I got the chance to check out an advance copy of Zorn's remastered and
expanded THE BIG GUNDOWN. The artwork and booklet set a new standard for the
packaging of a Tzadik release. The cover artwork is very much in the style
of a European film soundtrack and the booklet is packed with film stills,
poster art and information on Morricone and Zorn. Definitely something to
look forward to!
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:36:07 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: RE: Xu Feng
Hi Philozorners,
> Does anyone know what this album is about? CDNOW
> has it for release in September, but I haven't heard
> anything about it. New Material perhaps?
To my knowledge it was recorded in May in San Francisco, the lineup
is:
Chris BROWN: keyboards
Dave LOMBARDO: drums
Fred FRITH: guitar
David SLUSSER: keyboards
Trey SPRUANCE: guitar
William WINANT: percussion
Xu Feng is a game-piece "composed" in 1985 (!). You can find Zorn's
comment on this piece at http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/zornfest/
. It's inspired by kung-fu movies directed by King Hu with actress Xu
Feng. I have a live audience recording of it from 1999, and it's
great! Very loud, wild, lots of fast drums (Lombardo, what do you
expect!), weird sounds on guitars, sampling... I already know this
will be one of my favourite Zorn records. I can hardly wait!!!
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl
NP: MMW "Tonic"
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:42:19 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: RE: Xu Feng
> Since I doubt that John gives concerts of excerpts from his
> game piece, there
> are at least two versions of XU FENG, this one and the one
> from the Zorn month at the KF in 1993.
I know about two more: Zorn performed it in SF on September 16th last
year
(http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/z/zorn_john/live/19980916.htm), and
in New England Conservatory, Boston, on February 5th 1996
(htt
p://www.newalbion.com/artists/cagej/silence/html/1996q1/0046.html).
The first one exists in two recorded versions, one is from the
soundboard (Zorn doesn't want to give it away), the other from the
audience, but still enjoyable (I have it :-). Great piece! A must-have
for Philozorners!!!
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:36:38 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Masada and MMW management
Hello All,
I need to contact somebody from Masada and MMW management people. Do
you know any e-mails of them?
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.shkin.com/downtown/
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:29:19 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: next Unheard Music Series releases
from www.atavistic.com, the next wave of reissues on John Corbett's new=20
label, all due out Sept. 5:
Han Bennink, *Nerve Beats* (UMS/ALP206CD) Recorded for Germany's Radio Breme=
n=20
in 1973, in the period when Bennink was storming Europe in a trio with Peter=
=20
Br=F6tzmann and Fred van Hove, Nerve Beats is a great recording never before=
=20
issued on CD; it comes from a time when Bennink deployed a gigantic setup:=20
metal percussion, tons of extra drums, tablas, an early drum-machine, as wel=
l=20
as non-percussive instruments like trombone, clarinet & various=20
impossible-to-describe objects. A three-track live concert recorded in its=20
entirety at the acoustically ideal Rathaus, Nerve Beats is also the only liv=
e=20
document available of Han performing solo at this time, as his early FMP and=
=20
ICP records are now out of print (and decidedly sought-after).=20
Leo Cuypers, *Heavy Days Are Here Again Reissue* (UMS/ALP207CD) Leo Cuypers,=
=20
pianist and composer from southern Holland, is one of the great unsung heroe=
s=20
of Dutch creative music - as a bandleader, solo pianist and member of the=20
first incarnation of the Willem Breuker Kollektief. Heavy Days Are Here Agai=
n=20
was a project that brought Bennink and Breuker (who made the first ICP=20
record, New Acoustic Swing Duo, together as a twosome back in the '60s) back=
=20
together after a somewhat fractious split, and reunited Cuypers with Breuker=
=20
as well. The band toured, made a national TV appearance, then recorded this=20
absolutely killing studio LP in 1981 for reedist Breuker's label, BVHAAST=20
Records.=20
Nachtluft, *Belle-View I-IV Reissue* (UMS/ALP208CD) Nachtluft was a=20
Zurich-based trio, consisting of G=FCnter M=FCller on electronic percussion,=
=20
Jacques Widmer on acoustic percussion, and Andres Bosshard on a unique=20
cassette machine setup (and speakers distributed around the room) and all=20
three musicians on metal! Self-described as "project for two drummers and=20
live-electronics in an all-over installation," they formed in '86.=20
Tracked in 1986 during a live concert, and hardly known in its day,=20
Belle-View is so ass-kicking that John Corbett has selected it as the initia=
l=20
release in a UMS miniseries: "Unheard Greats of Swiss Electroacoustic=20
Improvised Music". Other upcoming releases in this miniseries include two=20
lost Voice Crack LPs, and a totally unknown record by the obscure, wonderful=
=20
Planet Oeuf, M=FCller's first band, which included British improvisors Phil=20
Wachsmann and Phil Durrant.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:47:53 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: Sonic Youth recommendations?
I'd like to delve into the pool of Sonic Youth and could use some
recommendations. Also, since I'll start at the used record stores, I'd
be glad to know which albums I needn't bother with.
Merci.
Martin
np. Louis Armstrong w/ Earl Hines "1928" (Smithsonian records)
- -
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:26:15 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth recommendations?
Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote:
> I'd like to delve into the pool of Sonic Youth and could use some
> recommendations.
I prefer early-to-middle SY, though I haven't bought the last two Geffen
albums. In order of preference:
EVOL
Daydream Nation
Sister
Goo
...after that point, it gets to the albums I haven't listened to in
years, so why bother rating them.
William Crump
- -
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:56:41 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: freddie redd's "ole"
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:12:44 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <degan1@telisphere.com>
Subject: RE: freddie redd's "ole"
You're looking for "Shades Of Redd". This was just re-released on Blue Note
Japan but I think it's out of print elsewhere.
>Can anyone tell me where I can find the original recording
>of the tune "Ole", which Zorn, Frisell and Lewis play on
>"News For Lulu"?
- -
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