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Zorn List Digest        Monday, April 10 2000        Volume 02 : Number 909



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       recent purchases...
       Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:08:00 -0400
       Recent Purchases: Painkiller Bar Kokhba
       Something Funny almost Zorn-related; Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz  Fest?
       Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?
       Re: Recent Purchases: Painkiller Bar Kokhba
       plug (sorry!)
       Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?
       Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!
       Re: Twin Peaks
       Cadence
       Re: Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!
       Re[2]: Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!
       Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?
       Tonic improv
       Re: Tonic improv

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:36:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: recent purchases...

one of my many joys of the vague definition, Avant-garde (and all of it's
synonyms) is not having to be exposed to the hype that comes with other
releases..it's really a fantastic feeling to be able to develop your own
assesment of the music...having that said..here's a list of music i've picked
up lately and felt necessary to rave about..

Harry Partch - Delusion of the Fury : i don't know how to describe this. i've
never really heard any partch that i didn't like, however sometimes the
singing (and i do ackowledge the amount of effort that he put into composing
for voice) can be deterring. Perhaps it's due to not being able to see the
staged version of some of these works, regardless, Delusion is an exciting,
wonderful piece of music...i really get the feeling that Partch is
communicating himself through it..ok..i hope that wasn't too incoherent.

Ikue Mori - a hundred aspects of the moon : another release with voice..i
think bukowski or john fahey said they listen to classical music to get away
from humans, and hate to hear voices.....anyway...forget that. this is one of
the finest releases on Tzadik this year, has anyone noticed that the quality
seems to be getting better lately? there is no doubt in my mind that Ikue
Mori is brilliant, I look forward to hearing whatever she can concoct
next...still, if i were reccomending a starting place, i'd probably go with
"Garden", which eludes any description.

The Magical Sound of FennO'berg - This is a very textured album...I was sort
of anticipating something incredibly harsh when I picked it up, but it's not
really harsh at all..it displays a virtuoustic interplay between three
musicians who use instruments capable of any sound.

ok.
from,
matt

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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:08:00 -0400
From: "T" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:08:00 -0400

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:01:37 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks Music

>     Again, I need advice, and who else to ask? Here it goes:
>
>     Anyone familiar with the Twin Peaks Soundtracks (Specially Fire Walk
With
> Me)?  Well, I'm trying to find something similar to that type of Jazz
(I'm
> so new in the Jazz world I don't even no which TYPE of Jazz that is?)
>     I hope you can help me .... again!!

There are actually quite a few jazz recordings that have a similar sound and
vibe as does Twin Peaks.  a great on that comes to mind though is Grant
Greens Idle Moments.  if fact i would bet that this is the record that they
used as a guide for the music for Twin Peaks.


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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:19:12 -0600
From: Christophe =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=FCndberg?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Recent Purchases: Painkiller Bar Kokhba

Went to my local Avant-Garde record store today, got Painkiller's
"Execution Ground" (SD 7008-2) which is a 2-disc set on the Subharmonic
label.  The first disc is three tracks of really nice stuff.  The second
disc really intrigues me, it's ambient versions of two of the songs
(Pashupatinath & Parish Of Tama).  I'll try and remember to post more
about it when I listen to them more.

The second thing I got was the 2-disc Bar Kokhba/Masada Chamber
Ensembles set (TZ 7108-2).  This I really like, but had a huge choice
between this and "The Circle Maker."  So, i was wondering, did I make a
good choice, or should I purchase TCM mnext tiem I stop by, are they
both equally as good?

Also question, is the organ/piano player, John Medeski, the same Medeski
from Medeski, Martin, and Wood?  If so, that strikes me as kind of
really weird.  Zorn is an odd boy though, so it makes sense.

<out>
Chris


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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:25:56 -0400
From: Zach Griffin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Something Funny almost Zorn-related; Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz  Fest?

Here's something thats kinda funny.  I came across this at Pollstar's
website.  This Wedensday night at a place called Don Hill's in New
York.  There is a triple bill of bands.  One of them is called Naked
City.  In my gut I know that it's not the Naked City that we all know
and love.  But I do wonder how this band got away with calling
themselves Naked City.  Also, does anyone on this list know if John Zorn
has been booked to play at this years Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival in
NYC?  And if so who is he going to be playing with.  I really enjoyed
the Masada and his show with Laswell, Frith, Lombardo and the special
appearance by Eye from last year.

Thanks,
Zach Griffin


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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:20:54 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?

Zach Griffin wrote:

> Also, does anyone on this list know if John Zorn
> has been booked to play at this years Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival in
> NYC?  And if so who is he going to be playing with.

Don't know yet... the schedule has not yet been announced.  Keep an eye on
www.jazfest.com (the mis-spelling is intentional), which has no content as
yet but does indicate that tickets go on sale on Friday, April 14.

Zorn WILL, interestingly enough, be part of the JVC Jazz Festival.
Generally a reasonably moribund affair, this year's JVC Festival includes an
entire series of avant-themed shows at Symphony Space.  These include an
evening of Masada (quartet, string trio and chamber ensemble) on June 21, a
new Dave Douglas nine-piece band called Witness on June 22, a new Frisell
quartet plus Kelly Joe Phelps on the 24th, a Don Byron silent film project
on the 20th.  Also, the 20th Anniversary celebration of the Lounge Lizards
(previously booked at the Knit and then cancelled by Lurie) has been
announced for this series but doesn't currently appear on the website...
cancelled again?  Something funny going on, clearly.  Nevertheless, a pretty
amazing display for JVC and a gauntlet thrown down at the Knit's collective
feet.  See the whole schedule at
http://festivalproductions.net/jvc/ny/Schedule.shtml

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - nada


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:22:04 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Purchases: Painkiller Bar Kokhba

> The second thing I got was the 2-disc Bar Kokhba/Masada Chamber
> Ensembles set (TZ 7108-2).  This I really like, but had a huge choice
> between this and "The Circle Maker."  So, i was wondering, did I make a
> good choice, or should I purchase TCM mnext tiem I stop by, are they
> both equally as good?

Both are certainly worth getting, but The Circle Maker just has the trio
(Feldman/Friedlander/Cohen) and the sextet (trio/Ribot/Baron/Baptista)
while Bar Kokhba uses all those wonderful ensembles, with the likes of
David Krakauer and John Medeski (both unfortunately absent on The Circle
Maker). Another difference, most tunes on The Circle Maker are generally
shorter than on Bar Kokhba and the second disc is quite loungy, and easy to
listen to.

> Also question, is the organ/piano player, John Medeski, the same Medeski
> from Medeski, Martin, and Wood?  If so, that strikes me as kind of
> really weird.  Zorn is an odd boy though, so it makes sense.

Yes, same Medeski. That's not really that weird is it?

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:46:40 +0100
From: "Peter Marsh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: plug (sorry!)

apologies for crosspostings etc...

for anyone interested, a mutated one off lineup of kozmik jazz beat perverts
Lob will be treading the boards this Friday 14th April at the Gregson in
Lancaster, UK. the lineup will be...

Rex Casswell (Stock Hausen & Walkman, Bark! etc) - prepared guitar, samples
Ian R. Watson (Gallon Drunk, Bows, Test Dept etc) - trumpet, flute, duck
calls, effects
Peter Marsh (no-one you've heard of) - bass, low frequency squelching
with
Richard Scott - beats, atmospherics etc
James Ford - drums

expect mutant garage/drum n'bass laced with sub aether spacejazz improv.

details: check http://www.lentils.demon.co.uk

thanks

peter

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:14:01 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?

>Zach Griffin wrote:
>
> > Also, does anyone on this list know if John Zorn
> > has been booked to play at this years Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival in
> > NYC?  And if so who is he going to be playing with.
>
>Don't know yet... the schedule has not yet been announced.  Keep an eye on
>www.jazfest.com (the mis-spelling is intentional), which has no content as
>yet but does indicate that tickets go on sale on Friday, April 14.
>
>Zorn WILL, interestingly enough, be part of the JVC Jazz Festival.
>Generally a reasonably moribund affair, this year's JVC Festival includes
>an
>entire series of avant-themed shows at Symphony Space.  These include an
>evening of Masada (quartet, string trio and chamber ensemble) on June 21, a
>new Dave Douglas nine-piece band called Witness on June 22, a new Frisell
>quartet plus Kelly Joe Phelps on the 24th, a Don Byron silent film project
>on the 20th.  Also, the 20th Anniversary celebration of the Lounge Lizards
>(previously booked at the Knit and then cancelled by Lurie) has been
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I┤ve heard this but nothing about the reasons. I┤m sure there┤s someone with
details!?

Andreas Dietz

>announced for this series but doesn't currently appear on the website...
>cancelled again?  Something funny going on, clearly.  Nevertheless, a
>pretty
>amazing display for JVC and a gauntlet thrown down at the Knit's collective
>feet.  See the whole schedule at
>http://festivalproductions.net/jvc/ny/Schedule.shtml
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>NP - nada

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 00 10:29:32 -0600
From: Douglas Tapia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!

>Also question, is the organ/piano player, John Medeski, the same Medeski
>from Medeski, Martin, and Wood?  If so, that strikes me as kind of
>really weird.  Zorn is an odd boy though, so it makes sense.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why's that?  Medeski is a great player, even if he doesn't always show it
in MMW.  He has played with the Either Orchestra, and the somewhat
unfortunate "Surrender To The Air" project.  I realize that many of
people have written off MMW because of their popularity or their hippie
following (I stoped going to their shows because I find the mixture of
patchouli (sp?), BO, and cloves to be pretty unappealing, but they are
good players).

MMW's first release, "Notes from the underground" has some very nice
piano work from Medeski.  John played jazz casuals with Jaco when he was
still quite young, and he was also a first call accompanist for a hand
full of opera divas while he was still in high school.  He can hold his
own quite well in Bar Kokhba.

FWIW,

Doug

n.p.  ELLERY ESKELIN, ANDREA PARKINS, JIM BLACK "Kulak 29 & 30" (is
Parkins' use of the sampler outside of the "jazz tradition?"  do we care?)

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:29:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks

Neil wrote:

<<Anyone familiar with the Twin Peaks Soundtracks (Specially Fire Walk With
Me)?  Well, I'm trying to find something similar to that type of Jazz (I'm so
new in the Jazz world I don't even no which TYPE of Jazz that is?)>>

People have recommended Miles Davis already but nobody's mentioned his album
"Blue Moods," which sounds to me like a prototype for Badalamenti's work made
35 years before. The instrumentation is trumpet, bass, drums (mostly brushed
drums like in the soundtrack) trombone, and vibraphone (which is what really
makes it sound like a ringer for the soundtrack). Much closer to the exact
sound of Badalamenti's score than anything else I've heard, by Miles or
anyone (except Badalamenti, of course). If you want to know more about miles,
however, I'm always happy to talk that.

Patrick M. Brown
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:32:22 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cadence

Apologies for cross posting.

I have most issues of Cadence from about 1988 to 1995 laying around in my
basement and if anyone wants some or all of them, they are available for
the taking if you will pay postage. Some of them may have some writing,
highlighting or bent corners.

Ralph

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:34:08 -0400
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!

I saw MMW play an absolutely amazing live acoustic set at tonic about
a year ago. All three players performed so much better than in the
simplified groove stuff they have been working into. And it was the
usual lower east side tonic crowd, with a few hippies that found out
about the shows.

I am getting really excited for their acoustic sets at orensanz arts center.

I wrote off their groove projects, but acoustic they are bad.

Some of the best piano work I have heard of medeski is on that bar
kokhba record.

>
>MMW's first release, "Notes from the underground" has some very nice
>piano work from Medeski.  John played jazz casuals with Jaco when he was
>still quite young, and he was also a first call accompanist for a hand
>full of opera divas while he was still in high school.  He can hold his
>own quite well in Bar Kokhba.
>


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:15:47 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: Medeski in Bar Kokhba?!?!

Hello Jason,

This "amazing live acoustic set at tonic" will be released on Blue
Note in two weeks.

I don't know what is wrong with MMW organ trio. I really love it. And
I saw John playing Hammond B-3 in a trio with Joey Baron and Marc
Ribot. It was one of the most amazing shows I ever seen.

He is playing piano on a very good record of drummer Dougie Bowne trio
with Fred Hopkins on bass which was issued on DIW and co-produced by
Zorn.

My point of view is probably not so objective because I like almost
all recordings with him including Marc Ribo's Los Cubanos and
wonderful CD of Dirty Dozen Brass Band.

Monday, April 10, 2000, you wrote:

JT> I saw MMW play an absolutely amazing live acoustic set at tonic about
JT> a year ago. All three players performed so much better than in the
JT> simplified groove stuff they have been working into. And it was the
JT> usual lower east side tonic crowd, with a few hippies that found out
JT> about the shows.

JT> I am getting really excited for their acoustic sets at orensanz arts center.

JT> I wrote off their groove projects, but acoustic they are bad.

JT> Some of the best piano work I have heard of medeski is on that bar
JT> kokhba record.

>>
>>MMW's first release, "Notes from the underground" has some very nice
>>piano work from Medeski.  John played jazz casuals with Jaco when he was
>>still quite young, and he was also a first call accompanist for a hand
>>full of opera divas while he was still in high school.  He can hold his
>>own quite well in Bar Kokhba.
>>


JT> -



- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:34:24 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn playing Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest?

Are tickets really $31 dollars to these shows or is it some kind of
package for more than one show or what?  If it's 31 for one show,
damn!

Dan Hewins


>
>Zorn WILL, interestingly enough, be part of the JVC Jazz Festival.
>Generally a reasonably moribund affair, this year's JVC Festival includes an
>entire series of avant-themed shows at Symphony Space.  These include an
>evening of Masada (quartet, string trio and chamber ensemble) on June 21, a
>new Dave Douglas nine-piece band called Witness on June 22, a new Frisell
>quartet plus Kelly Joe Phelps on the 24th, a Don Byron silent film project
>on the 20th.  Also, the 20th Anniversary celebration of the Lounge Lizards
>(previously booked at the Knit and then cancelled by Lurie) has been
>announced for this series but doesn't currently appear on the website...
>cancelled again?  Something funny going on, clearly.  Nevertheless, a pretty
>amazing display for JVC and a gauntlet thrown down at the Knit's collective
>feet.  See the whole schedule at
>http://festivalproductions.net/jvc/ny/Schedule.shtml
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>NP - nada
>
>
>-


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:23:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tonic improv

Anyone care to offer a response to the JZ improv at Tonic this past Thursday
for those of us unable to attend? Who were the "special guests?"

Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:45:30 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tonic improv

I was there for the first set.  It was a good show.

The players involved were not all known by me.  John Zorn (as), John
Lindberg (b), Tony Scherr (b, acoustic g), Adam Levy (g), Roberto
Rodriguez (perc), Adam ? (d), and ? (p).  The drummer was a young guy
whose name I didn't catch entirely.  He was pretty good.  The pianist
was an asian woman (I couldn't tell her ethnicity).

So there were 7 people but they never played all at once.  They broke
off into smaller groups and did about 10 minute improvs in each
grouping.  If I can remember them all, here they are:

1) Scherr, Lindberg, Rodriguez (b, b, perc)
2) Zorn, [drums] (as, d)
3) Levy, Rodriguez, [piano] (g, p, perc)

oh, hell, I can't remember the order but another was like this:

Zorn, Lindberg, Scherr (g), [drums]

I can't remember any more specifics but it was fun.

The drummer looked a little nervous before the duo with Zorn but he
got a big pat on the back by Zorn afterwards.  He did a good job.

I was hoping Jim O'Rourke would have been there.

Dan Hewins




At 3:23 PM -0400 4/10/00, [e-mail] wrote:
>Anyone care to offer a response to the JZ improv at Tonic this past Thursday
>for those of us unable to attend? Who were the "special guests?"
>
>Thanks.
>
>-


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