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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #792
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 792
In this issue:
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Re: Stuff about Shock Corridor
Re: Taboo and Exile / Masada live in Anaheim CD
Masada in Middelheim
Re: "taboo and exile" review
Re: Stuff about Shock Corridor
Mr. Bungle, the first time I saw them
Can someone let me know about Filmworks VIII
New Arto CD
Maldoror CD For Sale
come night
Re: New Arto CD
Re: New Arto CD
Re: New Arto CD
Re: New Arto CD
Re: Maldoror CD For Sale
Re: Maldoror CD For Sale
Mike Patton Returns to Connecticut
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:15:09 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Stuff about Shock Corridor
It's an intriguing idea, that a film is a lie because it projects a
series of still images which "imply" motion. Perhaps that's true of
animation - but surely, if you must say such things, you should say
that the filming is the lie, because it captures the motion (eg
somebody walking) as a series of still images (frames) on the film?
But then why call it a lie? Who is it who, knowing the truth,
decides to deceive some one else? Who is deceived? I think it's
also pretty unhelpful to talk of film "implying" motion - all sorts
of things can be implied by film sequences (that someone's watching,
that X sees Y but Y doesn't see X), but this idea depends on having a
contrast with what's shown: and if something as simple as motion
can't be shown, then we'll have trouble specifying anything that can
be shown!
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:51:35 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: Taboo and Exile / Masada live in Anaheim CD
Yep...and I got Taboo and Exile there - as of that time, the new live CD hadn't
been handed over by Zorn yet.
> << and, would you mind telling me who or what DMG is. some on-line cd shop?
> >>
>
> Downtown Music Gallery, NYC's home to all things that are Zorn-related. web
> site: www.dtmgallery.com, e-mail: dmg@panix.com
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:56:40 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: Masada in Middelheim
Review:
If you've ever heard Masada that you've really loved, though wished they'd have more of an edge as of late in thier live shows, BUY THIS DISC.
it sounds better than any other disc by this band, IMO. though Joey is never loud enough....
Cheers,
Dave
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:38:15 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: "taboo and exile" review
FWIW: The titles of the Masada String Trio tracks mean:
> 03 mayim 3:27
Water
> 06 zeraim 6:19
Seeds (a tractate of the Talmud)
> 08 makkot 2:59
Plagues or punishments (another tractate of the Talmud)
Not having heard the disk, I don't know if this reveals anything about
the music...
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:47:44 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Stuff about Shock Corridor
On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 01:15:09PM +0000, DR S WILKIE wrote:
> It's an intriguing idea, that a film is a lie because it projects a
> series of still images which "imply" motion.
I recall hearing that Bill Viola said that Film tends to use still
images to imply motion, while video tends to use its fast scanning
motion to imply stillness.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:29:04 -0500
From: Gary/Cheri Gettier <openmind@erols.com>
Subject: Mr. Bungle, the first time I saw them
Wow, was this really 4 years ago? Anyway, this is a review I wrote the first
time I saw them. I thought some of you might be interested in this, seeing as
most of you disagree with what I wrote for the current show.
Mr Bungle Black Cat Washington D.C. November 27, 1995
Mr Bungle is one of the most amazing bands to hit the scene in the last
few years. They were even better live. This may not have been the best
show I have ever seen, but it will certainly be one of the most memorable.
After what seemed like FOREVER, the band finally took the stage. Of the
7 band members, 6 of them had disguises on of some kind so you could
not tell who they were. I'm not sure which band members play on the first
or the second album, but here's a run down of the guys on stage. It should
be mentioned that the identity of some of these guys are unknown.
Guy #1 - listed in the credits of the first Mr Bungle album as "Scummy"
and "Uncooked Meat Prior To State Vector Collapse" on the 2nd,
I have no idea who this guy is. He wore half of a hockey mask,
and dark sun glasses, had a scruffy beard and long raggy blond
hair in a pony tail. He mainly played guitar, screeching out
blistering solos, improv jams, as well as soft ambient stuff.
He also played some kind of keyboards, which during some songs,
he alternated with his guitar a lot. On a few songs, he played
trumpet.
Guy #2 - this is Mike Patton (more widely known as the vocalist from Faith
No More). He wore a clear rubbery mask that distorted his face.
Mike took care of most of the vocals. He had 3 or 4 different
microphones. Each produced a different effect. Frequently, during
songs, he alternated between some or all of them. Most of what he
was saying was not audible, or was in a language other than English.
Probably the most normal song they did with the most audible vocals,
was the song sung totally in Spanish. I had never heard this song
before. Another song, he alternated vocals with Guy #7 doing a
good Yamatsuke Eye thing, but they've got a awhile to go to
top Mr. Eye.
Guy #3 - The Grim Reaper! This guy was the most mysterious of all. He is
listed as Trevor Dunn in both album credits, but I don't know if
this is his real name. He wore a black veil over his head. I am
assuming he could see thru it. He was the real noise maker of the
group with his bass. When he wanted to be loud, fast and heavy, he
was LOUD, FAST, AND HEAVY. He's a monster. He could also mellow
out too, and he was great doing some improv and soft stuff.
He played a regular bass, and a standup bass (cello?) which he
plucked, and bowed. He got some real cool effects with the basses
too. He did some background vocals, and shook some marakas as well.
He was my favorite guy. I watched him the most.
Guy #4 - He wore a black sheet with his glasses on the outside of the
sheet. He played a lot of different instruments, but I could not
hear a lot of what he was playing. He played saxaphone, clarinet,
flute, trombone, trumpet (maybe), a kazoo (I think), some keyboards,
and did some vocals. I liked his flute playing the best. His
trombone work was good too.
Guy #5 - My memory is really fading for this guy. I could not see him
very well from where I was. He wore a black sheet similar to guy #4.
Originally, he started singing, so I thought *he* was Mike
Patton. After the first song, he moved to the back. Mostly,
he played keyboards, but also played saxaphone and clarinet. For
one song, he switched with guy #6, and played drums, where he
looked very comfortable. I'm guessing he was the guy behind the
great keyboard work I was hearing.
Guy #6 - He came out with this wacky hat that had strings of baseball cards
hanging from it. That hat didn't last long. He had a black veil on
under that (similar to guy #3). He played drums only, except when
he switched and played keyboards on one song. He kept a nice
rhythm going, but I don't remember anything outstanding coming
from him.
Guy #7 - This is the only one who never wore a disguise. He is listed as
William Winant on the album credits. He was a percussion maniac!
Bongos, cymbals, xylophone, gong, kettle drum and some other
things (I really don't know what they are - the album credits him
with these additional instruments: tablas, kanjira, sistrums,
jews harp, and glockenspeil). He seemed like he was ALWAYS doing
something. The show wouldn't have been nearly as good without him.
Most of what he did was background stuff, but it made music that
was good, GREAT!
Wow! What a show. They played for about an hour and a half. For both encores,
only guys 1, 3, and 6 left their disguises on. I didn't recognize any of
the other guys. Here's a set list (kind of):
from the first album - Travolta ("Quote Unquote" on later releases)
from the second album - Everyone I Went To High School With Is Dead
(I think they played parts of this twice)
Chemical Marriage
Carry Stress In The Jaw
Desert Search For Techno Allah
Phlegmatics
Ma Meeshka Mow Skwoz
Very few songs were exactly as they appear on the albums. They played a
lot of other stuff including a song very similar to something on their early
demo _The Raging Wrath Of The Easter Bunny_, which was an all out brutal
heavy metal grindcore attack.
Much of the other music was improvised and was completely unfamilar to me
including the "normal" song sung in Spanish. Most songs (in true Bungle
fashion) were all over the place - lots of soft and slow, then loud, heavy,
and thrashy.
Of course with all of this, came some BS too. There were a lot of times
when they really just seemed like they were screwing off. And, there was
a lot of time in between some songs getting set up for the next one. This
was partially due to all the different instruments they were playing.
The moshers at the show were probably the most annoying thing. Personally,
I don't understand the need to mosh the way its done nowadays, especially at
this show. What I see, is a bunch of idiots just looking for an excuse to
slam into each other. During quiet times (and there were a lot of them) the
crowd was yelling out anything and everything at the band. People should
just shut up and let the band play.
I find both Bungle albums very different. The self-titled release (produced
by John Zorn) is like chaotic-heavy-metal-jazzy-carnival music. It reminds
me of some of John Zorn's stuff with the quick cuts, tempo and theme changes
all over the place. Each song has vocals that are for the most part audible.
Mike Patton plays a big role.
The 2nd album _Disco Volante_ is not nearly as heavy, and what vocals there
are, are mostly not audible or are in some other language. And many of these
songs remind me more of what little I've heard by Frank Zappa than John
Zorn.
The first album made me an instant fan, so I was a little disappointed
they didn't play a few more songs from it. Playing something like "My Ass
Is On Fire", "Squeeze Me Macaroni", or "Carousel" would have topped off
the night perfectly.
They played 2 encores, and I thought for sure they would play an old tune
or 2. Nonetheless, this was an incredible show.
Its worth mentioning that the opening band, Melt Banana, was somewhat
interesting. Melt Banana comes from Tokyo, Japan. They are an incredibly
fast, brutal, and aggressive heavy metal band. All the vocals were screeched
out (totally in Japanese, I think), by a female singer. The guitar player
was a monster who just seemed to jam the entire set. They were mega heavy
and REALLY loud.
That is all.
- --
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Gary M. Gettier openmind@erols.com
"No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction
into the sum of his knowledge." - Ayn Rand
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:16:33 -0600
From: nickmc@home.com
Subject: Can someone let me know about Filmworks VIII
Is this the best one to choose if I am a big fan of the Masada String
Trio,
Thanks for any comments
Nick McCormick
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:54:26 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: New Arto CD
Can anyone give a review of the new Arto Lindsay CD? The last two had some
great parts, but I'm hoping he's maybe come up with one that's
consistently good all the way through. Anyone?
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:16:28 PST
From: "Enunciated Sneeze" <bunglebrain@hotmail.com>
Subject: Maldoror CD For Sale
Hi! I have a spare copy of the MALDOROR (Mike Patton & Masami Akita) CD for
sale or trade. I also have a few other related items for sale/trade like:
PHLEGM, NIMROD, FNM, etc. Please contact me if you're interested. By the
way, did any of the Aussies on the list catch Vicious Hairy Mary at the
Newtown Festival on Sunday?? Thanks!!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:27:34 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: come night
dusted off my copy of lmc's 'come night' last night, and i'm listening to it
again now. it's really remarkable. i had sort of forgotten it, but now it would
have to place in my top three of loren's records. with suzanne langille, vocals,
brian johnson, percussion and the great george cartwright on tenor sax. (1991
what next). i know a little of cartwright, but don't know johnson. anyone know
what else he's done?
don't know if this is still in print. i haven't seen it around for a while. but
if you see it, grab it.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:32:53 -0800 (PST)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
>Can anyone give a review of the new Arto Lindsay CD? The last two had some
>great parts, but I'm hoping he's maybe come up with one that's
>consistently good all the way through. Anyone?
>
>
>-
While I was in Tokyo, I heard bits and pieces of it and it sounded really
great. For sure it will be my next cd purchase. And I am also interested
in other's viewpoints on the record/cd.
ciao,
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Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:42:58 -0800
From: Radio Khartoum <xander@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
If it's not asking too much, maybe someone could give me a quick
primer/list of recommendations on Arto's solo releases. My curiosity
was piqued over the weekend when I learned that he's doing a few
songs for Japanese pop chanteuse Kahimi Karie. Whom I know we
mentioned here at some point before, though I'd still consider her
wildly off-topic... ;)
Cheers,
Alexander
Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:47:17 -0800 (PST)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
And speaking of the Japanese connection I know Arto is doing at least two
shows in Tokyo. I wish he would play in L.A.
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Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:06:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
- --- William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> Can anyone give a review of the new Arto Lindsay CD?
> The last two had some great parts, but I'm hoping
> he's maybe come up with one that's consistently good
> all the way through. Anyone?
I think Arto's new disc is the first great thing he's
released since the 'Aggregates 1-26' disc from '95.
It's in the off-kiltered Brazilian pop style of the
last few albums, but Arto's finally managed to weed
out the bits of awkwardness and cheesiness I thought
sort of plagued 'Mundo Civilizado' and the others. The
tunes are great and Arto's voice sounds beautiful. I'd
say it could very well be the "consistently good all
the way through" Arto disc you've been waiting for.
Oh, and anyone who likes 'Prize' should check out the
new double-disc from Katerine. The two releases have a
strikingly similar feel yet are very obviously coming
from two totally different angles. It's a surprisingly
dark, lo-fi and experimental album for Katerine. I
really like it.
-Tom Pratt
=====
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:20:47 -0500
From: John Drauss <einstein@mw.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Maldoror CD For Sale
Enunciated Sneeze wrote:
> Hi! I have a spare copy of the MALDOROR (Mike Patton & Masami Akita) CD for
> sale or trade. I also have a few other related items for sale/trade like:
> PHLEGM, NIMROD, FNM, etc. Please contact me if you're interested. By the
> way, did any of the Aussies on the list catch Vicious Hairy Mary at the
> Newtown Festival on Sunday?? Thanks!!
I've never heard of this ensemble before. Is the name taken from the Comte De
Lautreamont's book, anyone
know?
J
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:46:58 -0500 (EST)
From: ctonelli@trentu.ca
Subject: Re: Maldoror CD For Sale
> I've never heard of this ensemble before. Is the name taken from the Comte De
> Lautreamont's book, anyone
> know?
>
> J
>
It would be pretty bizarre if it wasn't a reference to the book
but Mike Patton seems to be a really big buff for early avant movements.
Maldoror (which is an amazing read) was a major inspiration for many of
the Surrealists. Fantomas is a reference to the character in Surrealist
writer Marcel Noll's stories. His pranzo oltranzista album had Luigi
Russolo's (an Italian Futurist musician/painting who I image
many on this list have researched due to his radical and prophetic musical
theories) Intonarumori on the cover and was based on recipies from the
Futurist cookbook.
Lots 'o avant gardist references from that direction!
- -Chris
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:39:24 -0500
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Mike Patton Returns to Connecticut
Hey,
Sorry about the cross-posting here. I figured people from
Connecticut that are in both the John Zorn and the Mike Patton email
discussion groups would be interested in this.
I found out tonight that Fantomas are going to play Toad's Place in New
Haven, CT. This show is going to be Friday night December 10th, a
little over a month after Mr. Bungle's sold-out show at the same Toad's
Place. I have been told by a Toad's source that The Fantomas plan to
take the stage around 11pm that night. The opening band will be Kid
606. Personally, I am not familiar with Kid 606. But the All Music
Guide use Atari Teenage Riot and Add N (to X) as comparisons.
Zach Griffin
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