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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, October 26 1999       Volume 02 : Number 781



In this issue:
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       Great American Mavericks + Question for Stephen Drury
       Re: free grass
       Re: free grass
       Re: sanders/sharrock reunion
       Merzbow documentary
       Re: Merzbow documentary
       Re: oh yeah i should tell u where its posted
       Re: oh yeah i should tell u where its posted
       Re: Merzbow documentary
       Re: Merzbow documentary
       new purchases
       re: new purchases
       Re:Merzbow Documentary; Jewish Soul/American Beat
       Merzbow documentary

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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:05:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Great American Mavericks + Question for Stephen Drury

Zorn has mentioned the great American Mavericks in past interviews, articles,
and that sort of thing..He's mentioned Cage, Ives, and I believe Nancarrow,
does anyone on the list know of any of the other American Mavericks?

I also had a question for Stephen Drury, knowing that he posts on the list
occasionally. This seems to be fairly Zorn relevant.
anyway, What sort of music shaped your formative years and how did those
pieces/albums effect you on a personal level?


from,
matt

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:03:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: free grass

Sorry about the way late reply, but the band Free Grass is Tony Trischka,
Gregg Bendiann, and someone else...  I have not yet seen them, and as far as
I know they dont have any recordings out.  Email Gregg at [e-mail]
for more info on this group.
- -Jody

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:03:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: free grass

Sorry about the way late reply, but the band Free Grass is Tony Trischka,
Gregg Bendiann, and someone else...  I have not yet seen them, and as far as
I know they dont have any recordings out.  Email Gregg at [e-mail]
for more info on this group.
- -Jody

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:57:34 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: sanders/sharrock reunion

>From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
>
>>does any1 have info (band, setlist, etc) re: a radio broadcast from
>>frankfurt germany of this show from 11-1-92? (i guess the date is in
>>american style, but i'm not sure).
>
>    The band was Sonny, Pharoah,Charnett Moffet, and Pheeroan
>Aklaff. The material performed included the Ask The Ages material,
>Aklaff's tune "Sonogram",  and material from
>Pharoah's Tauhid and Message from Home albums.
>
>

This great show happened on November the 1st 1992. Here are three of the
titles:
Little Rock
Venus
Money Manners


                Andreas Dietz

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:54:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Merzbow documentary

If anyone can in some way get a copy of the Merzbow documentary that
just got mentioned, I┤d LOVE to see that. This weekend I got the
Gotham and Igneous Ejaculation clips, the Igneous one is absolutely
incredible, gotta love an enema...I also got that Naked City at the
NY Marquee, that is also great beyond belief, because I never
expected a Naked City show to be broadcast on TV, not even in Japan
so...
Anyway, if someone can get that documentary, you know what to do
A

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Walton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Merzbow documentary

Id like to get a copy of this as well, as well as the
naked city japanese broadcast.

J

- --- A <[e-mail]> wrote:
> If anyone can in some way get a copy of the Merzbow
> documentary that
> just got mentioned, I┤d LOVE to see that. This
> weekend I got the
> Gotham and Igneous Ejaculation clips, the Igneous
> one is absolutely
> incredible, gotta love an enema...I also got that
> Naked City at the
> NY Marquee, that is also great beyond belief,
> because I never
> expected a Naked City show to be broadcast on TV,
> not even in Japan
> so...
> Anyway, if someone can get that documentary, you
> know what to do
> A
>
> =====
>
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:05:40 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: oh yeah i should tell u where its posted

Hey,

I checked deja.com for the newsgroup and I didn't find the dave
douglas show.  Is there somewhere on the web that it resides?

Thanks,
Dan Hewins


At 8:51 PM -0700 10/16/99, wetboy wrote:
>u c? the yankees get pummelled and i lose all sense of reality. the dave
>douglas quartet mp3s were posted in alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs
>
>whoops
>
>
>"and you, young skywalker. we will watch your career with great interest."
>
>criterion ld/dvd info:
>http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9374
>
>
>-


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:05:40 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: oh yeah i should tell u where its posted

Hey,

I checked deja.com for the newsgroup and I didn't find the dave
douglas show.  Is there somewhere on the web that it resides?

Thanks,
Dan Hewins


At 8:51 PM -0700 10/16/99, wetboy wrote:
>u c? the yankees get pummelled and i lose all sense of reality. the dave
>douglas quartet mp3s were posted in alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs
>
>whoops
>
>
>"and you, young skywalker. we will watch your career with great interest."
>
>criterion ld/dvd info:
>http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9374
>
>
>-


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:13:49 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Merzbow documentary

To A:
I also have a Naked City at the Marquee video.  But mine has no
indication of it being a japanese television documentary.  Can you email
me privately (when you have the time) about the show contents on your
video?  Thank you.

To the rest of the Zornlist:
I am also interested in that Merzbow documentary.  Also, if this has
been discussed before I subscribed to the list, then I apologize for
bringing it up again.  I came across a video titled "Jewish Soul,
American Beat".  It's a documentary about people in the Jewish men and
women re-connecting to Judaism.  The beginning and end of the video has
a brief interview with John Zorn.  As well as footage of a Masada
performance.

Zach Griffin

A wrote:

> If anyone can in some way get a copy of the Merzbow documentary that
> just got mentioned, I=B4d LOVE to see that. This weekend I got the
> Gotham and Igneous Ejaculation clips, the Igneous one is absolutely
> incredible, gotta love an enema...I also got that Naked City at the
> NY Marquee, that is also great beyond belief, because I never
> expected a Naked City show to be broadcast on TV, not even in Japan
> so...
> Anyway, if someone can get that documentary, you know what to do
> A
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
> -


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:22:12 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Merzbow documentary

The sentence was supposed to read: "It is a documentary about Jewish men =
and
women re-connecting to Judaism".  Sorry for the typo.
Zach

"Zachary J. Griffin" wrote:

> To A:
> I also have a Naked City at the Marquee video.  But mine has no
> indication of it being a japanese television documentary.  Can you emai=
l
> me privately (when you have the time) about the show contents on your
> video?  Thank you.
>
> To the rest of the Zornlist:
> I am also interested in that Merzbow documentary.  Also, if this has
> been discussed before I subscribed to the list, then I apologize for
> bringing it up again.  I came across a video titled "Jewish Soul,
> American Beat".  It's a documentary about people in the Jewish men and
> women re-connecting to Judaism.  The beginning and end of the video has
> a brief interview with John Zorn.  As well as footage of a Masada
> performance.
>
> Zach Griffin
>
> A wrote:
>
> > If anyone can in some way get a copy of the Merzbow documentary that
> > just got mentioned, I=B4d LOVE to see that. This weekend I got the
> > Gotham and Igneous Ejaculation clips, the Igneous one is absolutely
> > incredible, gotta love an enema...I also got that Naked City at the
> > NY Marquee, that is also great beyond belief, because I never
> > expected a Naked City show to be broadcast on TV, not even in Japan
> > so...
> > Anyway, if someone can get that documentary, you know what to do
> > A
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
> >
> > -
>
> -


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:18:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: new purchases

there have been an whole bunch of great CDs released over the past couple of
weeks. here are some mini-reviews, roughly in reverse order of how much I
like them, although you won't go wrong buying any of these.

Pita-Get Out (Mego)

If you recall the discussion on this list a few months back about
electroacoustic improvisation, you may remember that I said I felt this was a
nascent genre in which the best performers were just coming into their own.
well, this is Pita's (Peter Rehberg, from Vienna) second solo CD, and it's
very accomplished. if you saw him perform his set at Tonic over the summer,
it's very reminiscent of that, full of ideas and harsh textures. the one
reservation I have, after two listens, is that I often have trouble finding
much of a human element in his music. but this still stands as a very
coherent statement from one of the most sophisticated electronic musicians
around.

ICP Orchestra-Jubilee Varia (hatOLOGY)

Kevin Whitehead equates this band in the liner notes to the Ellington Orchestr
a circa 1937-1944. now while that's a bit on the silly side, which even he
admits, it is a crime that they have barely been documented on disc so far.
this was recorded in late '97, and is the 9 man version of the lineup, with
the only difference from the lineup that will be at Tonic on November 12
being Ernst Reijseger, who has left the band in the interim. this CD begins
with three long pieces from subgroups of the band: an 8 minute duet by
Mengelberg and Bennink, a 10 minute piece by the string trio of Reijseger,
Honsinger and Glerum, and another 10 minute piece by the horn section of
Moore, Baars, Heberer, and Wierbos. then the second half of the disc is the
entire band playing together. while I'm sure it's no substitute for seeing
the band live, it's a very satisfying document of an underrecorded band.

Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto/Otomo Yoshihide/Masahiko Okura-Metal Tastes Like
Orange (Amoebic)

this is an improv disc, recorded in July of 1998, with Muller and Okura on
all of the tracks and Otomo and Sugimoto on about half, respectively. if the
only unfamiliar name here is Okura, he's an alto player whose most noteworthy
previous work has been in the Dub Sonic Roots projects (documented on various
Japanese labels, and some of the better attempts to fuse free jazz with
electronica, although still not wholly successful). anyway, the tone of this
disc seems to be set by Muller and Sugimoto, as most of it tends towards the
subtly quiet, although Okura does go off a few times toward the end of the
disc. not essential, but a nice document for fans of these artists, and maybe
one that will grow on me with multiple listens.

Fennesz-plus forty seven degrees 56' 37" minus sixteen degrees 51' 08"
(Touch)

Christian Fennesz is another of the Viennese Powerbook musicians who got his
start on the Mego label, although this one (his second full-length) is on the
English label Touch. it's in much the same vein as the Pita, but there's a
warmth to Fennesz's work, even when he's filling the room with noise. also
like the Pita, this one's short, 38 minutes, but I can't imagine it ending
and someone needing more. very good, if maybe not the equal of his first
full-length, Hotel Paral_lel (Mego).

Jim O'Rourke/Loren Mazzacane-In Bern (hat Noir)

this features two of the more prolific artists of our time in a guitar duo
from 12/97, recorded live. it's a gorgeous record, with Jim bringing out the
most subtle and delicate persona of Loren's. really pleasurable, and one of
the better places to start delving into the Mazzacane catalog.

Otomo Yoshihde-Cathode (Tzadik)

now this is the masterpiece we've been waiting for (expecting?) from Otomo.
four long compositions, only one of which Otomo plays on, totalling 55
minutes. each piece has very different instrumentation, but all seem to meld
traditional instruments with the tone-based electronics which Otomo has been
focusing on lately. one of my current candidates for record of the year, and
maybe the best record yet from Otomo.

I really feel like we're in a time where, if you're interested, you can watch
the genre of electroacoustic improv mature before your eyes, much like rap in
the early nineties. above, I've reviewed the latest releases by three
contenders for the throne (Pita, Fennesz, Otomo), and in late November, the
Erstwhile entry in this sweepstakes will be released, a double CD of German
synth player Thomas Lehn and Gerry Hemingway, and you can judge for
yourselves where Mr. Lehn fits in. pretty damn high, if you ask me.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:53:26 -0400
From: Alexander Blok <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: new purchases

Hi folks,=20

>Pita-Get Out (Mego)=20
(...)
>it's very reminiscent of that, full of ideas and harsh textures. the one=20
>reservation I have, after two listens, is that I often have trouble finding=
=20
>much of a human element in his music.=20
>Fennesz-plus forty seven degrees 56' 37" minus sixteen degrees 51' 08" =20
(...)
>English label Touch. it's in much the same vein as the Pita, but there's a=
=20
>warmth to Fennesz's work, even when he's filling the room with noise. also=
=20
>like the Pita, this one's short, 38 minutes, but I can't imagine it ending=
=20
>and someone needing more. very good, if maybe not the equal of his first=20
>full-length, Hotel Paral_lel (Mego).

    I think these are both great recommendations by Jon, but my reactions to
them differ just a little. 'Get Out' for me is one of the releases of the
year and a great display of powerful sonic disorientation. There's just so
little to relate with on this disc, everything sounds 'negative' and
treated to the extreme. Admittedly, it is very abrasive, turbulent, and
disturbing; yet never less than utterly absorbing.=20
    I think the new Fennesz disc is a solid step forward from 'Hotel
Paral.llel'. The texture of the digital drone has become much more refined,
but there's hardly a trace of the Techno element which used to motor some
of his tracks.  If you're looking for a more difficult and abstract 'Hotel
Paral.lel' (i.e., strip away the already-sparse beats, tone down the
variety, etc.), then 'plus forty seven...' is highly recommended. It's
music of characteristic deftness, but at times I'm left hankering for a
piece (or a type of sound) to take some leap in a new direction. For me,
Pita wins this round for being more imaginative. Of course, anything
negative I've implied here does not apply to the MBV-ish bliss-drone track,
Track 5. An absolutely beautiful 8-minute treat for the senses, which
sounds like Fennesz took his laptop into a carwash. Overall, it's a
beautiful disc but it takes many listens to sit still for the imaging. Once
again, Mego proves it's not just about the electronic music mothership
spinning out of orbit.=20
    Anyway, I just got back from a short visit to London, and am exhausted, so
I'll end here.=20

Goodnight,
- -eric.

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:17:04 +0200
From: "john rust" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Merzbow Documentary; Jewish Soul/American Beat

Hi,
I've just read about this video:
>I came across a video titled "Jewish Soul,
American Beat".  It's a documentary about people in the Jewish men and
women re-connecting to Judaism.  The beginning and end of the video has
a brief interview with John Zorn.  As well as footage of a Masada
>performance.
 ...., which made me think about a film I found in the library here in
Berlin, and I thought that it may be the same one.... but I'm not sure,
there are some differences that can make one think differently... The one
I'm talking about is called Sabbath In Paradise, and it was filmed  in NY by
a German director. The topic of the film is Jewish music and Judaism, the
other stars except Zorn (man, I wish these guys would pay him more
attention) are Anthony Coleman, Marc Ribot, Roy Nathanson and some more
traditional musicians playin' klezmer. Some of the stars (although I made a
copy of the movie, I haven't watched it recently, and not sure now whether I
remember the details properly) are reading a story about a Rabbi spendin' a
weekend in Paradise (was it Coleman), others talk and play. There are two
pieces of Masada, featuring also a piece of the rehearsal, Zorn paciently
explaining Baron how to play drums.... The soundtrack was also written by
Zorn (possibly somewhere on Filmworks, but I'm not sure as I own not all of
them).
Well, now after putting down all these details i became pretty sure that
it's a different documentary.
BTW, anyone interested in trading for a copy ?

John


www.freespeech.org/unterwasser
    U N T E R W A S S E R
Underground Russian/German
          band from Berlin





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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:06:31 +0200
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Merzbow documentary

Here's some info I found on Sweden's Popcorn Festival website, about
Ian Kerkhof's Merzbow Documentary.

(http://www.indiewire.com/film/festivals/fes_98Swedish_980612_Popco.
htm l)

Best wishes,

Jeroen

*********************************************************************
*********************************************************************

Kerkhof is a cutting edge filmmaker who perhaps encapsulated the more
alternative edge of Popcorn by arriving with an experimental
documentary about the likewise experimental Japanese musician Merzbow.
"Beyond Ultra Violence-Uneasy Listening by Merzbow" is an
uncomfortable portrait of a man who concentrates on making sounds to
which few would ascribe the term "music". The video is a muddle of
images and sounds that sets out to give you a feeling, not the whole
picture, of a man who innovates the future. Ian Kerkhof wanted to make
a video as rich and layered as Merzbow's work and says that it would
be nonsense to make a BBC-style documentary about him. A scene where a
girl cuts her stomach open leaving all her entrails on the floor
certainly makes the video less accessible. Some fainted, some threw up
and a few chose to trash their Popcorn card after the screening,
deliberately provoked by Kerkhof.
Jeroen de Boer
co-director Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711 JA Groningen, The Netherlands
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
tel. [phone]
fax. [phone]
http://www.cyberslag.com

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