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Zorn List Digest       Friday, October 15 1999       Volume 02 : Number 774



In this issue:
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       Re: GOD MOUNTAIN Label
       flouting mneumonics
       Zorn Scores?
       Re: Floutist
       what are we, mainstream?
       Re: flouting mneumonics
       Muhal in NYC, 10/30
       Re: noise and news, again
       RE: noise annoys
       Re: GOD MOUNTAIN Label
       Re: Memento Mori, Etc
       Prelapse
       Noise
       Re: Noise
       Re: Prelapse
       Dawn of a New Age
       Melancholy Cecil
       Re: Dawn of a New Age
       Sale/exchange update
       Free Grass
       RUINS in SF this Sunday!
       morricone 1900

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GOD MOUNTAIN Label

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Andreas Dietz wrote:

> does anyone know if these CDs with Marc Ribot are still available
> (distribution for Europe?) or out of print? Is the label still active or
> went out of business?

God Mountain still exists.
the release schedule is a bit slow at times
as Hoppy has many projects he juggles, including
eX-Girl (which has been fairly popular lately).

> GOD MOUNTAIN GMCD-001     Optical*8
> GOD MOUNTAIN GMCD-004     Optical*8*2/The Last Waltz From Distorded
> Honky-Tonk
> GOD MOUNTAIN GMCD 007     Slut

these should still be in print.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 15:05:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: flouting mneumonics

feeling vindicated for my spelling gaff, i will leap to peter's defense.
'mneumonic' is a very different thing than 'pneumatic', and i'm impressed that
he was even trying to spell it in third grade. oddly, like 'onomatopoeia',
there's no easy way to remember it.

kg



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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:46:39 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn Scores?

I remember a long while back there was talk of a forthcoming book of
Zorn scores. Was it ever published?

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:01:51 +1000 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Floutist

i know i'm a little slow jumping on this thread, but how about just
plain 'piper' :)

a little of topic but just out of curiosity,
has anyone else noticed that the remastered_ kind of blue_ has changed the
order of the tracks? ie flemenco sketches comes after all blues cf
original lp. also in the description in the liner notes, they've flipped
the descriptions with the titles.( you can just make out what was written
on the original cover.)

also has anyone been able to match up all the titles with the strips on
the spy v spy cd? there are the same no of panels and i can make out
certain connections. ( this sounds SO obsessive ;)  )


reagrds,
aaron



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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:24:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: what are we, mainstream?

continuing on the subject of media coverage, or of how i bide my time at work, a
pretty good (if pretty basic) piece on patton and mr. bungle just moved over the
associated press wire. email me private if you want a copy.
([e-mail]) i'll send it tomorrow.

kg



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:31:10 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: flouting mneumonics

> feeling vindicated for my spelling gaff, i will leap to peter's defense.
> 'mneumonic' is a very different thing than 'pneumatic', and i'm impressed
that
> he was even trying to spell it in third grade. oddly, like
'onomatopoeia',
> there's no easy way to remember it.

Isn't the word actually 'mnemonic'? My dictionary has no mention of
'mneumonic' but that could be my dictionary... incidentally i think the
example 'pneumatic' was used not because it has any relationship to the
other word, but just because both words would be difficult to spell or even
to find in a dictionary if you had never heard them before.


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:06:38 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Muhal in NYC, 10/30

Nice looking concert by the Muhal Richard Abrams Experimental Band on
Saturday, October 30th, 8:00 PM, at the NY Society for Ethical Culture,
2 West 64th St. in NYC. Check out this impressive line-up:

Violin        Leroy Jenkins
Trumpets    Leo Smith
        Frank Gordon
Trombone    George Lewis
Reeds        Roscoe Mitchell
        Joseph Jarman
        Henry Threadgill
        Wallace McMillan
Pianos        Muhal
        Amina Claudine Myers
Bass        Leonard Jones
Percussion    Thurman Barker
        Reggie Nicholson

Yow!

Tix $15 ($8 Students and Seniors), info [phone]

Brian Olewnick

NP: Yanks/Sox

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:59:56 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: noise and news, again

I did an interview with Borbetomagus sometime around '86 or '87 (in
Birmingham Alabama of all places; we can thank Davey Williams and LaDonna
Smith for some activity in the South) and one thing that always stuck in my
mind was a comment that they don't play noise since noise is something you
didn't intend to produce.

LT
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Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4

Full Alert Film Review (formerly World Cinema Review)
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:27:07 -0700
From: Al Tabor <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: noise annoys

I'm interested in how we construct meaning from incoherence and the constant
stream of injury that the world hands any living system. The edge between
sound that appears patterned to me and sound that does not appear patterned,
or the way that pattern emerges out of noise, evokes that for me on a
visceral level.


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GOD MOUNTAIN Label

- --- SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Andreas Dietz wrote:
>
> > does anyone know if these CDs with Marc Ribot are
> still available
> > (distribution for Europe?) or out of print? Is the
> label still active or
> > went out of business?
>
> God Mountain still exists.
> the release schedule is a bit slow at times
> as Hoppy has many projects he juggles, including
> eX-Girl (which has been fairly popular lately).

There are three new God Mountain discs listed in the
latest DMG e-mail update:

Hoppy Komiyama/Hiroaki Sugawara/DJ Force - Saboten
  "unique electronic-samples-turntable action
   soundscapes"

Panicsmile - We Cannot Tell You Truth Again
  "yet another brutal Ruins offshoot post-punk power
   trio with Tatsuya Yoshida on drums"

Viddekazz - Maybe Tomorrow
  "twisted & throttling post-punk rock"

     -Tom Pratt

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:13:58 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Memento Mori, Etc

> Maybe
> I'm way off here, but there's got to be some other people on the list that
> were as moved by this piece as I?

I heard it about a year ago at the Barbican in London. I thought that
isolated moments were very effective, but didn't think it held
together too well over the whole length.

I'd like to reserve final judgement, as these things often make a lot
more sense after several hearings, when the compositional
signposts can become a little more clear. However, I always
thought JZ liked to work without architectural forms; MM sounds
like it ought to have some great formal framework which appeared
to be absent.

Moment to moment it can be very beautiful, but I must confess I
found myself looking at my watch. The problem may be that it
needs listening to again and again, but as someone's already
pointed out, those tiny, high-pitched harmonics are going to need a
top-drawer hi-fi system.

Rich

- -------------------------------------------------
(musings): reviews (with MP3s) of new
improv, free jazz and avant-electronic releases.
http://come.to/musings.com

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:38:09 -0700
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prelapse

I just picked up the Prelapse album, and I'd have to say that it sounds like
Naked City lite. It doesn't have the edge of NC; it's humor is broader and
it doesn't have Eye, (I guess there really is a difference between people's
screaming).

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://members.home.net/dennisqdw/****


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Noise

Since there┤s an ongoing noise discussion I might
throw in my 1/50th of an American buck:
When I used to play in bands we always ended our
rehearsals with a bunch of grindcore-ish noise. When
we started getting tired of the music, we longed for
the moment we ended the songs and the noise started.
About a year later the band dissolved and me & 2 other
members formed a project, on which we just made noise
and noise and noise for however long the rehearsal
would last. It┤s all pretty much with instruments,
distorted vocals/keyboards, pretty insane. The thing
is, we compiled some portions of rehearsals, mastered
them and we┤re about to put out a demo tape, as soon
as we get the artwork. The funniest thing is that this
project has gone much further than any of the other
previous bands I was in. And it┤s top secret, the
identity of us, because I play in a pretty well known
locally punk band and the noise conglomerate has
fascist themes (all a big joke of course) and since
most people in Peru ain┤t aryan well...we might get
some backlash
Anyway, I┤m digressing here. The thing about noise is
that we all find it very cathartic. There┤s nothing
like rehearsing after college finals because we really
release a lot of tension...Does anyone want our
demo???
A

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: sonny shine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Noise

ah ha. ahhaahha! i'm editing my replies.

ANYway,
i used to play in a band called Windell Greene. a lot
of nirvana, janes addiction-type music.  but we had
one song we called the JAM. it always changed. but the
one constant was the blues riff our bassist would
play. this was where i would get to rant about
whatever i wanted. no form, no direction. just spit
out what was on my mind. it was a great release.  we
did one concept album that was a lot of keyboards and
wild effects on the vocals and guitars... it was
called "A concept album by windell greene."... i'm no
longer in the band due to distance, and a personal
fued between me and the new bassist... but the
guitarist wants me to come back for a while to do
another concept album.

YES. i might be interested in hearing your "noise".
actually, i have a 'project' that i do the same thing.
some spoken word, some sampling.. a lot of wierd
sounds. it's called a project, cuz i'm doing it all by
myself... if you're intrested, i could sell you a
copy. or maybe a demo sampler.(free cassette) lemme
know.  it would be so great to get this project out
and running. strecth it's legs, so to speak.

later,
sonny.


- --- A <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Since there┤s an ongoing noise discussion I might
> throw in my 1/50th of an American buck:
> When I used to play in bands we always ended our
> rehearsals with a bunch of grindcore-ish noise. When
> we started getting tired of the music, we longed for
> the moment we ended the songs and the noise started.
> About a year later the band dissolved and me & 2
> other
> members formed a project, on which we just made
> noise
> and noise and noise for however long the rehearsal
> would last. It┤s all pretty much with instruments,
> distorted vocals/keyboards, pretty insane. The thing
> is, we compiled some portions of rehearsals,
> mastered
> them and we┤re about to put out a demo tape, as soon
> as we get the artwork.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: sonny shine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Prelapse

well i can tell when Eye is screaming. i love his
vocals. they rock. Eye is da man!

sonny


- --- dennis summers <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I just picked up the Prelapse album, and I'd have to
> say that it sounds like
> Naked City lite. It doesn't have the edge of NC;
> it's humor is broader and
> it doesn't have Eye, (I guess there really is a
> difference between people's
> screaming).
>
> yours in zornocity --ds
> ***Quantum Dance Works***
> ****http://members.home.net/dennisqdw/****
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:14:01 -0500
From: King Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dawn of a New Age

You know it's gonna be a wacky year when Mike Patton turns up on CNN......

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9910/14/mikepatton.ap/

  (it's the same A.P. article that Kurt offered up yesterday)



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:00:48 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melancholy Cecil

Well, my fellow Zornlisters, I'll be straight with you.  I'm waaaayyyy
too tired tonight to write anything of substance about much of
anything...

And yet, I just can't go to bed tonight without mentioning that there's
something else altogether going on during the hour-plus duration of the
new FMP Cecil Taylor issue, 'Melancholy,' which dates from late
September 1990.

Maybe later I'll talk about specifics.  But right now these are a few of
the things that are keeping me awake long enough to post this message:
- - During the first piece, at about 11 minutes in, there's a fine quartet
section by Evan Parker, Barry Guy. Tony Oxley and CT.
- - During the second piece, at about 17 minutes in, there's a stretch of
music that to me sounds as close to Steve Reich as CT's ever likely to
get in this or any other lifetime.
- - The third piece is just brilliant so far.  About 4 minutes ago I
wanted to write about the first few minutes.  But at this point, as the
section just gets better and better, I realize that I can't say anything
of substance.
- - It's a big band, all right.  But you always know which horn is Evan.
And that's a very fine thing.

And if I absolutely HAVE to say something negative, well...  Barry Guy
could have been miked more naturally, so he didn't sound so bloody
"amplified."

In other words, it's yet another fascinating CT disc from FMP well worth
owning...

And boy am I glad about that.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - duh...


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: sonny shine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dawn of a New Age

but a well written article, no less.
whoda thunk patton was 30. well. that does make good
sense, donnit?

sonny.


- --- King Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> You know it's gonna be a wacky year when Mike Patton
> turns up on CNN......
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9910/14/mikepatton.ap/
>
>   (it's the same A.P. article that Kurt offered up
> yesterday)
>
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:13:33 +0100
From: "Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sale/exchange update

I've just added a whole bunch of stuff to my sale/trade list inc Paul
Miller, Bill Laswell, Pharoah Sanders, Oval, To Rococo Rot and others. You
can check it out at:

http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk/list.html

Thanks

Scott Russell

White Noise
For experimental events in Scotland
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:27:18 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Free Grass

A while back I checked out this band called free grass at the old office, I
believe tony trishka was in the band, the rest was a blur. I was pretty
well blown away by the music, now I am trying to track some of this
material down, can anyone help me find recordings?

thanks!

J

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: RUINS in SF this Sunday!

- ------------------------------------------------------------------
2nd JAPANESE NEW MUSIC FESTIVAL

The Japanese New Music Festival is back from its European Tour
in '97 to bring an even more powerful performance. The three
musicians will now perform in an overwhelming five different
projects.

Sunday, October 17, 1999, 9 pm
$7 cover, all ages
Club Cocodrie
1024 Kearny St (near Broadway)
San Francisco, CA 94133
[phone]
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

YOSHIDA TATSUYA solo (drums, vocal, keyboard, guitar)
A non-digital, "purely physical" performance of one man performing 4
instruments simultaneously. Full of experimental, improvisational spirit,
and eclectic musical structure, the performance defies common sense.

TSUYAMA ATSUSHI solo (guitar, vocal)
Tsuyama has traveled the world and accumulated the traditional styles
of Europe and Asia. He adds his own interpretations and lyrical sense to
create a beautiful but odd "fake traditional" musical world.

AKATEN (yoshida, tsuyama)
Experimental and humorous unit formed by Yoshida/Tsuyama in '95.
They bring their interests to life, by using cameras/scissors/zippers/pet
bottles as percussion, simulating bird calls, or even turning a Sumo
broadcast into a song.

ZUBIZUVA-X (yoshida, tsuyama, sasaki)
Polyrhythmic acappella vocal trio formed by Yoshida in '95. Running
the gamut from Gregorian chant and Tuvan throat-singing to doo-wop,
hardcore and looney tunes. Essential listening for those interested in
the outer limits. X is a special formation for this tour.

RUINS (yoshida tatsuya, sasaki hisashi)
This amazing drum/bass duo are masters of quick-change, stop/start
tempos, time signatures and textures. Music is an amalgam of hardcore/
progressive rock/contemporary music/free jazz. Their explosive and
intricately composed tunes are sung in a peculiar language of their
own invention.


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 14:23:11 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: morricone 1900

Has anyone heard "The Legend of 1900" by Morricone? Sounds interesting, even if
Roger Waters is on it.

clip below:

RECORDS: Capsule Reviews of Recent Releases
By J.D. Considine
(c) 1999, The Baltimore Sun
If George Gershwin, Scott Joplin, Louis Armstrong and Erich Korngold had somehow
gotten together and collaborated on a soundtrack, perhaps we might have gotten
something as delicious as the score Ennio Morricone created for "The Legend of
1900" (Sony Classical 67672). A gifted mimic, Morricone mixes bits of ragtime,
jazz and Tin Pan Alley pop to give the music a suitably vintage feel (the
Gershwin gloss in the main theme is worth the price of the CD). But as much as
those elements add color to the music, the meat is Morricone's themes, which -
as with his work for "The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly," "Once Upon a Time in
America" and "The Mission" - are melodically rich and emotionally resonant. Add
in cameos by singer Roger Waters and guitarist Edward Van Halen, and this
becomes a must-hear album.
  Distributed by the Los Angeles Times-Washington Post News Service



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