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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #692
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Zorn List Digest Friday, July 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 692
In this issue:
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Re: both: Mujician question and Jazz with electronics
Tonic Q&A--Duras
shannon jackson
Re: both: Mujician question and Jazz with electronics
Re: shannon jackson
Re: shannon jackson
new zorn
Re: blasphemy?
Re: shannon jackson
Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
Re: shannon jackson
Re: Christian Marclay
RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
blasphemy?
Leng Tch'e in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood
Re: shannon jackson
Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest Custom CDs Now Available
RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:44:10 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: both: Mujician question and Jazz with electronics
>>Still under the shock of their performance at the Victoriaville
>>festival, but unfamiliar with this project of Keith, could anybody advice
>me
>>on the first Mujician record that I should buy?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Patrice.
>
>
>I'd recommend the first, entitled "The Journey"
>
>a continuous 55 minute piece of wonderfulness...*sigh*...unfortunately, now
>out of print (?)
>
>failing to locate this, begin with the most recent, "Colours Fulfilled", and
>work backwards...
Oddly, I would recommend going for either the middle two - Poem about the
Hero and Birdland - before The Journey or Colours Fulfilled. The Journey
at times seems a bit tentative, like they weren't really comfortable with
one another by this point. With the next two, things just seemed to have
clicked. The most recent, for some reason, I have never been inspired to
give a third listen. Don't know why. Maybe I'll put it on next and try again.
I would also recommend Dunmall's double disc on Slam - I think merely
called Quartet/Sextet or something like that. Tippett isn't on it, but
Rogers and Levin are, as well as Simon Picard (I think) and some others.
Off this topic, but back to another one- jazz/improv with electronics.
Just got done listening to Vario 34-2 "Water always writes as plural", with
Gunter Christmann, Mats Gustafsson, Paul Lovens, Alexander Frangenheim,
Christian Munthe and electronics by Thomas Lehn. Love it. Noisy, crazy,
wacky Euro improv, grounded at times in jazz, with Lehn playing (I think)
analogue synth and I don't know what else. With a line-up like that, they
can't go wrong.
It's been a Gustafsson morning, as I just got the Vario disc, the duet with
Christmann on OKKA, and The Education of Lars Jerry, and have listened to
them in sequence. Much to the dismay of my wife and cats all of whom are
hiding out in other rooms.
Dan
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:47:19 EDT
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: Tonic Q&A--Duras
<< 'can you tell us something about
the compositional aspects of duras >>
Please share JZ's answer to this one!!
Joseph
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:07:03 -0400
From: "Michael Berman" <mberman@his.com>
Subject: shannon jackson
does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:10:23 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: both: Mujician question and Jazz with electronics
In a message dated 7/2/99 10:44:06 AM, dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca writes:
<< Just got done listening to Vario 34-2 "Water always writes as plural", with
Gunter Christmann, Mats Gustafsson, Paul Lovens, Alexander Frangenheim,
Christian Munthe and electronics by Thomas Lehn. Love it. Noisy, crazy,
wacky Euro improv, grounded at times in jazz, with Lehn playing (I think)
analogue synth and I don't know what else. With a line-up like that, they
can't go wrong. >>
yeah, this is a nice record, on Frangenheim's Concepts Of Doing label. Lehn
also appears on a just-released CD, Beinhaltung, on an Italian label called
Fringes, which includes two long live pieces along with Phil Durrant and Radu
Malfatti, both of whom stick to their acoustic instruments on this one,
violin and trombone respectively. this one's interesting, very quiet and
filled with silences, somewhat along the lines of the solo Malfatti piece on
his own CD. the e-mail contact for the label is gielasi@tin.it, and I got
mine through Anomalous.
and, in a few months, my new label, Erstwhile, will be putting out a duo CD
of Mr. Lehn and Gerry Hemingway. more info to come on my web site.
Jon
www.erstwhilercords.com
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:14:15 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: shannon jackson
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:07:03 -0400 "Michael Berman" wrote:
>
> does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
Steve Smith should be able to help, but I have not seen any mail by him in
a while. Still there?
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:14:27 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: shannon jackson
In a message dated 7/2/99 10:59:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mberman@his.com
writes:
> does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
He made a rare live US appearance on June 11th at the Knitting Factory, with
Melvin Gibbs and Vernon Reid. A trimmed down Decoding Society. It was
amazing!! Other than that, I have no idea.
- -Jody
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:19:25 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: new zorn
hey everyone. I found this at the CDNOW site. It looks like there are
reconfigured versions of Spillane, Goddard and Blues Noel coming out.
It's not on the Tzadik site yet.
CD $15.99
List $ 16.97 Add to Cart
Save to Wish List
CD Expected Release Date: July 20, 1999
NOTES
Date: 7/20/99
Label: TZADIK
Catalog: 7324
Number of Discs: 1
SPAR: ADD
Mono/Stereo: Stereo
Category: Classical Crossover
FRISELL/WEINSTEIN/LURIE/&
TRACK INFO
Godard
Composer
John Zorn (1953 - )
Artist(s)
Frisell, Bill , Electric Guitar
Coleman, Anthony , Keyboards
Weinstein, David , Keyboards
Emanuel, Carol , Harp
Marclay, Christian , Turntables
Lurie, John
Shioi, Luli
Foreman, Richard
Shao-Ying, Wu
Hofstra, David
James, Bob , Tapes
Staley, Jim , Trombone
Quine, Robert , Electric Guitar
Blair, Michael
Mori, Ikue
Frith, Fred , Guitar
Spillane
Composer
John Zorn (1953 - )
Artist(s)
Frisell, Bill , Electric Guitar
Coleman, Anthony , Keyboards
Weinstein, David , Keyboards
Emanuel, Carol , Harp
Marclay, Christian , Turntables
Lurie, John
Shioi, Luli
Foreman, Richard
Shao-Ying, Wu
Hofstra, David
James, Bob , Tapes
Staley, Jim , Trombone
Quine, Robert , Electric Guitar
Blair, Michael
Mori, Ikue
Frith, Fred , Guitar
Blues Noel
Composer
John Zorn (1953 - )
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:28:33 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: blasphemy?
On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 11:24:41PM -0500, * % wrote:
> Teiji Ito's "King Ubu" i dearly regret buying. yuck. i find it to be
> boring, uneventful and an approach to avant garde that displeases me.
What approach does it take?
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- -
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:02:12 GMT
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: shannon jackson
M. Berman wrote:
>does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
I heard about a year ago from an acquaintance in Dallas that Jackson was
living in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and doing too much. I can't verify
that and have not since spoken to my friend, who owns, or used to own, Out
to Lunch Music at www.outtolunch.net.
- ----s
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:36:21 -0600
From: John Dikeman <dikemang@hamsfork.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
I tried posting this here a while ago, and, once again used the reply button so
it didn't go to the list at all.
This is stuff Zorn said about Naked City.
There's some more in depth statements Zorn made about it in his interview with
Carla Chiti from
the Sonora book:
...
Carla- Let's take the Naked City experience, perhaps it is the clearest
and most
meticulous of your projects, in it you gave an Edgard Varese-style
definition of
yourself as "organizer of sounds". Music which has composition as it's
cornerstone, but which is then entrusted to an unchanging number of
people who
improvise. Almost paradoxical... Using a fixed set could be dangerous...
Zorn- No, that has never been a problem. The music I wrote for Naked
City is
the kind of music that gets better the more it is played. I wanted to
improve the
quality of my live performances and using the same musicians served
precisely
this end. The Naked City project (which, compared to the completely
improvised
ones, is based on composition) was to see how many kinds of music can be
made with the same ensemble, to write very different things for the same
group.
The problem with Naked City was that I had these five musicians as a
starting
point, a reference point, them alone, every time, exceptional
improvisators always
on the lookout for new sonorities, I tried to make use of their abilities
to the full
by working very hard, pushing very hard until it was truly possible to go
in any
and every direction.
Carla- And, in fact, in Naked City you ventured into the most disparate
of
areas:experiment with and research into sound, fragmentation of styles,
until you
brushed with serious music like in Absinthe...
Zorn-Yes, with the seven albums of Naked City we explored what we could
and made a great deal of progress. But it's like getting to the
terminus: arriving at
a place that you cannot go beyond. I started listening to other kinds of
music and
saw that there was no reason to go on working with these musicians. How
many years of working together were they? Six, seven, I don't know
exactly,
anyway, years and years spent together. Now I feel the need to write
music for
other ensembles, in other contexts, with new ideas. So the Naked City
project
has come to an end, like all projects: they have a beginning and an end.
I'm not
the kind of musician who likes traveling for years on tour, performing
the same
repertoire every evening. On the other hand I think that my other
projects like
Elegy or Kristallnacht express themselves in many different ways, from
classical to jazz to rock and they link up with many points of view with
Naked
City. But I'll say it again, in my opinion Naked City has become too
well
known, too popular for my liking. It had become something dangerous: I
felt
like the audience was sucking my blood... They used to ask for their
favorite
piece. They just wanted the same things, they weren't looking for
something
new. And I can't keep on going in a situation like that even if it would
seem to
be very attractive on the surface. The same things I said for cinema go
for music:
if the budget is low, then the quality is better, imagination and ideas
predominate. It is very difficult to do something creative in the
majors: it is all
based on business, money... That is why I fled to Japan.
So, that's the rest of the story.
john
- -
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:49:55 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: shannon jackson
Michael Berman wrote:
>
> does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
>
> -
He's living in his home state of Texas.
Played recently in a Decoding Society semi-reunion at the Bell Atlantic
Fest in New York.
James Hale
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:07:16 -0700
From: dennis summers <dennisqdw@home.com>
Subject: Re: Christian Marclay
>> In the show is a video piece by Christian
>> Marclay, which was simply brilliant.
>
>Could it be?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>047 - PIECES POUR STANDARDS ET REPONDEURS TELEPHONIQUES: various artists
> Christian Marclay: turntables.
>
> 1992 - Nouvelles Scenes, NS 01 (CD)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I will listen to it to see if it matches your description.
Doubtful that this could be it, as it was only edited film clips and nothing
more. Thanx anyway.
yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:11:25 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
reply to Jeni, or anyone:
i too am curious why Zorn disliked the article. i know in part some of
the reasons i didn't like it. but it did provide me with information i
didn't know about which i found interesting. the article reminded me of
people at my school. (it's an Arts High School, i suppose similiar to the
one in Fame or something.)
well, the music department puts on concerts at least four times every
quarter. most people don't do very experimental or unique things. but
there was an experimental group. once they played an improvisational piece
with Cello, clarinet, jazz guitar, metal guitar, and lots of strict noise.
the teachers of the music department would not allow this group to put their
own words in the liner notes where they're piece was listed. instead they
put there own. they wrote something like: "a unique piece which challenges
what is listenable." bullshit, i found it very easy to listen too. and
then another time they did a intricately composed hardcore piece and the
music department had to write another thing. they all seemed like
disclaimers to me. i forgot what point i was getting to people, sorry.
-samuel yrui
>
> > 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'...
> > this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought
>the
> > article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he
> > trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it.
>to
> > say the least.
>
>Did Zorn say exactly why he dislikes the article? I wonder if Kaplan
>showed it to him before it was published.
>
>Jeni
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- -
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:18:03 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: blasphemy?
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 11:24:41PM -0500, * % wrote:
> >
> > > Teiji Ito's "King Ubu" i dearly regret buying. yuck. i find it to
> >be
> > > boring, uneventful and an approach to avant garde that displeases me.
> >
> >What approach does it take?
>
>
> reply to J:
>
>whoa. you caught me saying something stupid. what am i saying? i don't
>understand avant garde music clearly enough to say something like that. (i
>realize this because i have no idea how it "approaches" avant garde. silly
>me) let me simplify and correct what i said: i just don't like it. i'll
>just keep it to i find it boring and uneventful and i don't like the songs,
>nor do i like the tone color he acheived through his method of
>recording/mixing. there, that's a little better, i hope.
>
> -samuel yrui
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:19:02 EDT
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: Leng Tch'e in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood
i saw guy klucevsek on mr. rogers' neighborhood this morning. fred initiated
a conversation about "imagination" after guy played.
now imagine zorn on this show.
FR (picture the voice!): "We love to talk about imagination and fantasy on
this show Mr. Zorn. As I listened, that piece brought all kinds of exciting
images to my mind. Please share what images were in your imagination when you
wrote this music."
JZ: "Japanese S/M bondage." (or!) "A Chinese execution technique which dates
back to the Manchu dynasty, in where the victim is given opium to extend his
life while he is dismembered into 100 piece."
(hahaha...)
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:32:46 -0400
From: "Michael Berman" <mberman@his.com>
Subject: Re: shannon jackson
thanks for the web site. from the comments of the cds/lps, hes obviously =
a big shannon fan like myself. its a great used cd list btw. ill be =
ordering.
M. Berman wrote:
>does anyone know what Ronald Shannon Jackson is up to these days?
I heard about a year ago from an acquaintance in Dallas that Jackson was =
living in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and doing too much. I can't verify =
that and have not since spoken to my friend, who owns, or used to own, =
Out=20
to Lunch Music at www.outtolunch.net.
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:45:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Bell Atlantic Jazz Fest Custom CDs Now Available
Hello all,
I just finished ordering a custom CD made up of performances at the 1999
Jazz Festival. You can get to the ordering page via a link at
http://www.jazfest.com
There isn't too much available as of yet -- a set each from Charles Gayle,
Charles Lloyd and the Brilliant Coroners.
You get to pick a total of 12 tracks and/or 70 minutes running length.
Total price comes to $17 shipped to your door (in the U.S.).
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:52:56 -0400
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@issgroup.net>
Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
>Do you remember his answer for the "Why did Naked City stop?" question?
he simply didn't write music for this band anymore. the reason for writing
this kind of music was the anger he felt (when he was in japan) because no
matter how hard he tried to adept to their culture he felt he wasn't
accepted by the japanese people. that kind of frustrated him, which got him
into hardcore. i guess this anger was over after a while.
this shows how much he makes the music he wants to make, as opposed to
making music because it is 'hot'.
robert
- -
- -
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:01:59 -0400
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@issgroup.net>
Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
>Did Zorn say exactly why he dislikes the article? I wonder if Kaplan
>showed it to him before it was published.
i don't think so. he mentioned that the day the new yorker came out, he
called kaplan to ask hime what the *&%#*$ he was thinking. he was really
pissed off. he basically thought that the article did not do justice to him
and his music, it portrais him as some strange guy who doesn't even has a
kitchen in his appartement. difficult to put down his grief here. i guess
you better ask him yourself some time. he also mentioned that he did not
really liked these kind of workshops, but that it enabled him to get the
information out as direct as possible, without somebody inbetween to screw
up his words. so i'll stop doing that.
robert
- -
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