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Zorn List Digest Friday, May 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 660
In this issue:
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New Waits/Ornette bootleg
re: Beresford recs
Re: Steve Beresford
OFF TOPIC:jazz photographs web site
Bobby Bradford plays, talks for free in LA Saturday
re: Beresford
re: Beresford
J.Spence, etc.
Re: archive?
allstars shop info
Re: allstars shop info
no more please
Re: | Z R M W |
RE: Zorn-Medeski-Ribot-Rochester
RE: Ornette Bootlegs
Re: | Z R M W |
new orleans
Re: new orleans
Re: new orleans
re: new orleans
re: new orleans
re: new orleans
Updated sale/exchange list + NWW review
Re: | Z R M W |
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:03:39 -0800
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: New Waits/Ornette bootleg
My 5 centavos on Mule Variations, having eagerly followed Waits' career
since 1977, much of it in agreement with the comments of others. I
particularly liked the comment that this is a retrospective made from
scratch.
In a nutshell, I think Waits finished staking out his turf eight or
nine years ago, that the innovation is over. Now he can play in the
fields he has found.
I think from Small Change to Bone Machine (arguably, to Black Rider),
we saw a tremendous flood of DRIVEN creativity. Searching and evolving
constantly. Beatnik to R&B to something unique (beginning with
Swordfishtrombones) drawing on broader influences both conscious (Harry
Partch, et al) and subconscious. It seems few artists can sustaining
this DRIVEN level of brilliant innovation throughout their lives.
Ornette Coleman, for example, laid out his brilliance with four or five
albums recorded in less than three years '58--''60 or so -- and done
lots of good work since, but little so mind boggling. Stevie Wonder had
an overwhelming run in the early- and mid-'70s, with those three albums
(Fulfillingness, Songs in the Key, Innervisions) and has rarely come
even close since. I propose that Waits had staked out his
musical/poetic turf by the time he took his break beginning in 1992,
and MV and future work will be tilling ground in the same fields. Not
to say there won't me new gems turned up in that ground, but that there
aren't going to be the kinds of surprises we got with
Swordfishtrombones.
My favorite counterargument to this is that Waits was so focused on his
music and lyrics from 1970 to 1992 that the creativity was flowing,
coming from wells deeper and deeper. And that he took a break from that
for the last few years, and could return to his spelunking and surprise
us deeply again. But I rather doubt it.
Can't help but say "Hold On" is one of Waits' Springsteen songs, like
"Jersey Girl" and "Downtown Train."...
As for the question on the '61 Ornette boot, I have a a vinyl two-fer
call "Who's Crazy." I haven't listened to it for a couple of years and
am a little foggy about what's on it (I'll check when I go home). Seems
it's from the mid-60s, seems all the songs have titles and personnel.
I'll check when I get home.
Martin
np Ivo Perelman w/ CT String Quartet. An unexpected pleasure.
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:31:18 -0500
From: "John Thomas" <jgthomas@nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: re: Beresford recs
Brian Olewnick:
>Aside from 'Signals for Tea' and 'Cue Sheets', could anyone recommend
>other Beresford works (with a brief description), whether song
>oriented or free improv? Always meant to pick up the Nato release w/
>Zorn, Toop etc. Been giving 'Cue Sheets' a workout lately and
>throughly enjoying it.
I only have one Beresford disc although I like it -- it is the Emanem disc
with Beresford on piand and Nigel Coombes (I believe) on violin.
Free improv with a chamberish/classical kind of feel. The pieces do tend
to sound similar after you've heard a few though so recommended, but with a
bit of caution.
John
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:57:40 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Steve Beresford
On Thu, 6 May 1999 13:27:25 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> Even the Michael Nyman with Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann? >>
>
> wow, that sounds pretty promising. I did not know about this record; I guess
> it hasn't been reissued on CD yet.
Unfortunately not... One of the very few left on my reissue dream list (which gets
smaller and smaller every month).
This is specially a very very good Michael Nyman.
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:59:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeni Dahmus <jdah@loc.gov>
Subject: OFF TOPIC:jazz photographs web site
Some of you might be interested in a new web site devoted to William P.
Gottlieb's jazz photographs:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/wghtml/wghome.html
There's no Zorn content on the site, but I did put in a plug for him. See
if you can find it...
More than 1,600 photographs of many of the greatest names in jazz are
available in "William P. Gottlieb: Photographs from the Golden Age of
Jazz." The William P. Gottlieb Collection documents the jazz scene from
1938 to 1948, primarily in New York City and Washington, D.C. In 1938
Gottlieb began working for The Washington Post, where he wrote and
illustrated a weekly jazz column--perhaps the first in a major newspaper.
After World War II he was employed as a writer-photographer for Down Beat
magazine, and his work also appeared frequently in Record Changer, the
Saturday Review, and Collier's. During the course of his career, Gottlieb
took portraits of prominent jazz musicians and personalities, including
Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Billie Holiday, Dizzy
Gillespie, Earl Hines, Thelonious Monk, Stan Kenton, Ray McKinley, Benny
Goodman, Coleman Hawkins, Ella Fitzgerald, and Benny Carter. This online
collection presents Gottlieb's photographs, annotated contact prints,
selected published prints, and related articles from Down Beat.
Jeni
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:19:13 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Bobby Bradford plays, talks for free in LA Saturday
Anybody else on this list from the Los Angeles area? If so, a gig of
note (By the way, I sure would appreciate help in finding the other
rare ultra cool gigs in LA/Orange County):
Bobby Bradford, Vinny Golia, Roberto Miranda, Alex Cline will perform
and discuss free jazz, presented by the Thelonious Monk Institute,
Dorothy Chandler pavillion, 135 N. Grand Ave. 1:30 pm (!). Free (!!).
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:24:45 -0700
From: Sheik Connery <anubis9@concentric.net>
Subject: re: Beresford
I've really gotten into the split 10" on clear vinyl that Steve Beresford
did with Otomo Yoshihide. It's called "Museum of Towing and Recovery" and
it's on the Hot Air label. Maybe I'm just a sucker for clear records,
though. :O
-Ethan
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:33:51 -0400
From: Dave <djp6@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: re: Beresford
At 01:24 PM 5/6/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I've really gotten into the split 10" on clear vinyl that Steve Beresford
>did with Otomo Yoshihide. It's called "Museum of Towing and Recovery" and
>it's on the Hot Air label. Maybe I'm just a sucker for clear records,
>though. :O
>
I like it a lot too, but then again I also love colored vinyl.
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:42:57 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: J.Spence, etc.
I just got a CD by Bahaman folk guitarist/singer Joseph Spence on
Hannibal called 'Happy All The Time' and have really been enjoying it
since - very nice primitive fingerstyle and gutteral vocals from '64.
Are his other recordings similar?
I'd also be interested in anyone's recs for any other really "down-home"
acoustic folk/blues type stuff from anywhere around the world. (Thanks
to the Zorn-list, I picked up the wonderful Kim Sinh disc a while back.)
I've been getting very interested in that kind of stuff recently.
And while I'm at it... Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the
Robert Pete Williams LP on Takoma? I've been looking to track that one
down for a bit. Thanks!
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:31:47 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: archive?
At 06:27 PM 5/6/99 +0300, msvadi@mscc.huji.ac.il wrote:
>is there an archive for this mailing list?
The home page for the mailing list is
http://www.browbeat.com/zornlist.html, and you can find the archives from
there.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:36:47 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: allstars shop info
Anyone ever dealt with a shop in the Netherlands (Lunteren maybe is the
city) called Allstars? Any opinions?
Thanks.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:04:34 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: allstars shop info
In a message dated 5/6/99 8:34:22 PM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
<< Anyone ever dealt with a shop in the Netherlands (Lunteren maybe is the
city) called Allstars? Any opinions? >>
I got a copy of Dr. John's Gris-Gris from them a year or so ago, after being
pointed there by some rare CD search engine (based in Texas, I think) that I
can't remember the name of. it took a few weeks, but it showed up fine.
less than two weeks to Victo!
Jon
NP: Pluramon-Scendro from Modulation and Transformation 4 (Mille Plateaux)
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 00:26:30 EDT
From: Kriist@aol.com
Subject: no more please
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:41:04 -0400
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: | Z R M W |
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
To: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
<zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: | Z R M W |
[some info snipped in the interest of brevity]
>
>Sounds like an EBow. It is a magnetic thing-a-ma-gig that excites the
>strings and acts like a bow of a violin or another stringed instrument. I
>saw Bela Fleck use on on his banjo once because he mentioned that banjos
>don't really have that much sustain.
>
>Dan Hewins
>
i think its also a big thing w/king crimson. it was a while ago since i saw
them, but i wouldn't b surprised, considering all the "wacky" gtr synth
stuff they use. anything 4 a cool noise!
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:30:07 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zorn-Medeski-Ribot-Rochester
Zorn-Medeski-Ribot-Rochester !! This line up should be great - but what
CD-title, which label ...
Andreas Dietz
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:33:38 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Ornette Bootlegs
There is an Ornette bootleg called 'Stating The Case' on a label 'Jazz
Anthology' with identical LP-sides. The lineup is Coleman, Cherry, Redman,
Haden, Blackwell and it has probably been recorded in NYC on 09/22/72.
Andreas Dietz
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:35:13 +0100
From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk
Subject: Re: | Z R M W |
> Ribot was using some strange instrument on his strings, made
> the strings vibrate at a constant tone, he was playing chords like this,
> looked like there was a light at the bottom of the box, some thoughts?
Probably an ebow, which is basically just an electromagnet,
exactly as you suspected (and somewhat overpriced at =A399 here in
the UK). When you hold it over the pickups, it creates a field which
makes the string vibrate, or some such sciency stuff. Result:
infinite sustain and pretty good dynamic control. Robert Fripp uses
one a lot. Anyway, I think their web site is http://www.ebow.com.
Sounds like a nice gig. Ribot's solo work doesn't do much for me,
but he's made some fantastic records as a sideman.
Rich
- --------------------------------------------
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experimental and otherwise non-standard musics:
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:35:03 -0400
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@issgroup.net>
Subject: new orleans
hi there
i'm going to be in new orleans from May 16 through 22. can anyone recommend
not-to-miss cd stores, clubs, concerts and other in the area around this
time? of course regarding music discussed on this list, but also info about
more electronic/dance stuff is very welcome...
thanks!
robert
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: new orleans
On Fri, 7 May 1999, Vanheumen, Robert wrote:
> i'm going to be in new orleans from May 16 through 22. can anyone recommend
> not-to-miss cd stores, clubs, concerts and other in the area around this
> time? of course regarding music discussed on this list, but also info about
> more electronic/dance stuff is very welcome...
louisiana music factory is a pretty cool store. i always walk out of
there with a stack of vinyl. my favorite purchase there was john
sinclair's copy of the roscoe mitchell art ensemble "congliptious."
sinclair inscribed it as a gift to the MC5. only cost $15.
magic bus is another great store for old vinyl.
b
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 07:25:15 PDT
From: "" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new orleans
>
> > i'm going to be in new orleans from May 16 through 22. can anyone
>recommend
> > not-to-miss cd stores, clubs, concerts and other in the area around this
> > time? of course regarding music discussed on this list, but also info
>about
> > more electronic/dance stuff is very welcome...
I'm not sure about the elctronic/dance scene, but you might keep an eye out
for the following venues: Mermaid Lounge (hard to find, but give them a
call), and the clubs in the Faubourg-Marigny district (Dragon's Den, above
the Cafe Siam Thai restaurant; Cafe Brazil; Dream Palace; maybe even the
tad-touristy Snug Harbor), and also the swank but not always musically
happening Funky Butt (really hard to go wrong w/ a name like that, but,
well...). A friend of mine is a percussionist who does all things Zornish,
one band he's in is called Nuovum. Look out for the Hi-Ho Lounge, where you
might possibly see the Gas-Tank Orchestra play (exactly as the name would
have you believe); Crash Worship live in N.O>, I think (tribal, Dionysian
stuff, lots of nudity, wine, and fire). A magazine called OffBeat will be
your guide, though I urge you to overlook, or revel in, the
tourist-pandering and cheerleading. The LA. Music factory and Magic Bus
suggestions are good, but watch the prices. (That Roscoe Mitchell find is
an exception, not a rule.) A punk/"underground" spot called Underground
Sounds is at the corner of Magazine and another major street, near the
"antique" district: free Loud shows and lots of punk/post-punk stuff. Those
things come to mind. The Tulane Univ. station is pretty cool (91.5fm...I
think), and the TRULY public-radio "new Orleans Music" station WWOZ, who are
also on the web, are great (90.7fm), though I never cared for much of the
music. (Rob Cambre does a fine free improv show late one nite---can't
remember when; John Sinclair does a sick blues show or two some other
night). Those are all I can think of now. Have fun, and take care!
- -----s
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:34:30 -0400
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: re: new orleans
well it might seem kinda silly since it was in that movie the big easy, but
tipitina's is a really cool place. they have music all the time and a
fantastic catfish po' boy.
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:54:10 PDT
From: "" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: new orleans
Hell no! Tip's is a bomb-ass joint! They almost had to close when the
House of Blues mafia moved to bring "authentic" blues to N.O. I mean, New
Orleans needed soul, so I suppose I should be grateful for the kindhearted
folks at HOB to co-opt the city for posterity, but...But now Tip's kicks
they ass, with a location uptown, right inside the west quarter, and a huge
warehouse used for occasional concerts (like a great MMW show I once saw).
- ---s
>
>well it might seem kinda silly since it was in that movie the big easy, but
>tipitina's is a really cool place. they have music all the time and a
>fantastic catfish po' boy.
>
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:27:29 PDT
From: "" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: new orleans
I wasn't clear: One location uptown; another in the French Quarter; and a
third that's a warehouse in the "art" district.
>...But now Tip's kicks they ass, with a location uptown, right inside the
>west quarter, and a huge warehouse used for occasional concerts (like a
>great MMW show I once saw).
>
>---s
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:50:35 +0100
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Updated sale/exchange list + NWW review
Some items of possible interest.
I have an updated sale/exchange list newly html'd on my web site:
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk/list.html
I have also posted a review of the new Nurse With Wound album at
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk/nwwaap.html
Scott
White Noise
For experimental events in Scotland
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:59:16 -0400
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: | Z R M W |
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> > Ribot was using some strange instrument on his strings, made
> > the strings vibrate at a constant tone, he was playing chords like this,
> > looked like there was a light at the bottom of the box, some thoughts?
>
>Probably an ebow, which is basically just an electromagnet,
>exactly as you suspected (and somewhat overpriced at =A399 here in
>the UK). When you hold it over the pickups, it creates a field which
>makes the string vibrate, or some such sciency stuff. Result:
>infinite sustain and pretty good dynamic control
the e-bow has a small notch that fits over one string at a=20
time and is notoriously difficult to use because of its lack of=20
dynamic control. (Fred Frith wrote about this somewhere), that said,=20
it is a neat toy.
>. Robert Fripp uses
>one a lot. Anyway, I think their web site is http://www.ebow.com.
>
>Rich
This is a common misconception. Fripp's "infinite sustain"=20
technique comes from controlled feedback and fleet fingers. He was=20
doing it that way long before the e-bow was invented.
another Rich
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<excerpt>> Ribot was using some strange instrument on his strings,
made
> the strings vibrate at a constant tone, he was playing chords like
this,
> looked like there was a light at the bottom of the box, some
thoughts?
Probably an ebow, which is basically just an electromagnet,=20
exactly as you suspected (and somewhat overpriced at =A399 here in=20
the UK). When you hold it over the pickups, it creates a field which=20
makes the string vibrate, or some such sciency stuff. Result:=20
infinite sustain and pretty good dynamic control
</excerpt>
the e-bow has a small notch that fits over one string at a time and
is notoriously difficult to use because of its lack of dynamic control.
(Fred Frith wrote about this somewhere), that said, it is a neat toy.
<excerpt>. Robert Fripp uses=20
one a lot. Anyway, I think their web site is http://www.ebow.com.
Rich
</excerpt>
This is a common misconception. Fripp's "infinite sustain" technique
comes from controlled feedback and fleet fingers. He was doing it that
way long before the e-bow was invented.=20
another Rich
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