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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, February 4 1999      Volume 02 : Number 583



In this issue:
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       Re: ribot on sessions
       Re: ribot on sessions
       Re: little shopping tip update
       Re: ribot on sessions
       Re: little shopping tip update
       Braxton
       Re: Braxton
       Re: little shopping tip update
       Re: Braxton
       R: Braxton
       Re: R: Braxton
       Akchote Recommendations
       Re: Akchote Recommendations
       Re: Akchote Recommendations
       Re: Akchote Recommendations
       bobby previte show
       Art Ensemble on Koch [was Akchote recommendations]
       Re: bobby previte show

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:00:56 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ribot on sessions

Mary Ho wrote:
>
> Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this
> past weekend on Sessions at West 54th?  I only caught the last tune and
> he played this execellent guitar solo.

So that *was* Ribot.  I was wondering about that.

 Anyways, who is this
Chocolate
> Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up
> band.  I didnt recognize anyone else.

The woman playing the cello appeared with the Lounge Lizards on
Sessions (now required viewing at our house) a few weeks back.  Don't
know her name.

- --Mike

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:35:38 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ribot on sessions

Mike Chamberlain wrote:

> > Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up
> > band.  I didnt recognize anyone else.
>
> The woman playing the cello appeared with the Lounge Lizards on
> Sessions (now required viewing at our house) a few weeks back.  Don't
> know her name.

The ever-delectable Jane Scarpantoni.  She was sitting next to Eyvind Kang on
SNL with Beck's backing band a few weeks ago as well.

Sorry I missed the Lizards broadcast.  I was at that taping.  An odd time was
had by all.  Lurie mumbled at one point, "I feel like I'm playing in an
airport.  Did you all at least get peanuts?"

I didn't recognize the others aside from Jane and Marc, and I had the sound
turned off while on a phone conversation, so I'd only assumed it was
Chocolate Genius from hearsay...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Meshuggah, "Ritual," _None_


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:44:03 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: little shopping tip update

> Somewhat OT, but some of you might be interested: A week or so ago
someone
> was asking about where to get good prices on import Zorn discs, and I
> (thoughtlessly) posted about how the prices seemed to be the lowest on
> http://www.everycd.com, even though I hadn't even made a single order
from
> them. Then Eric Saidel (sp?) added to my caveats with his experience with
> bad customer service and high shipping rates -- alas, this was *after* I
had
> managed to navigate their clogged website and place an order. (I had
already
> paid the "membership fee," which really is only worth it if you buy a
lot.)

I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still
possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't
pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though.


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:07:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ribot on sessions

In a message dated 2/3/99 12:39:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> The ever-delectable Jane Scarpantoni.

she played on a helmet song "like i care". apparently she had a lotta fun on
the session

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:07:42 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: little shopping tip update

 -- "J" == Julian  <[e-mail]> writes:

 J> I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still
 J> possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't
 J> pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though.

that's not the only thing you can't do after de-membering yourself.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:07:11 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Braxton

> And talking
> about scripting, what do you think of  Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if
> there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can  clue me?)

There are two serious Braxton books I'm aware of, only one of
which deals in detail with the notation, musical concepts etc. I
con't remember any of the info (was it just "The Music of Anthony
Braxton"?) but I *do* remember it was pretty enlightening. It was
one of a series about American composers, which in itself probably
pleased Brax no end.

The drawback was that the author was completely uncritical;
everything Braxton said about his music was taken at face value.
While that's a fair position to take when it comes to technical
matters, it's not too helpful when AB comes over all misty-eyed
and starts talking spirituality. I thought he was being ironic with all
that yogic stuff about reaching other planes of existence etc, and
all the pseudo-academic waffle in his sleeve notes. Apparently it
was dead serious.


Richard Cochrane

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:26:41 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Braxton

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> There are two serious Braxton books I'm aware of, only one of
> which deals in detail with the notation, musical concepts etc. I

I have five books on Braxton, all of them pretty good (though I only
really grokked what his stuff was about when I got the Willisau CD set and
its excellent liner notes).

Graham Lock, "Forces in Motion"
Richard Radano, "New Musical Figurations : Anthony Braxton's Cultural
Critique"
Mike Heffley, "The Music of Anthony Braxton"
Alun Ford, "Anthony Braxton: Creative Music Continuums"
(and... uh... one other)

The Lock is probably where to start for an overview. The Heffley is more
musically detailed and a denser read, from what I recall.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: little shopping tip update

Julian:
I hope you really didn't "de-member" yourself or you'll be doing a lot
less than not ordering from CD bargain houses. No CD is worth that. :)

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]




On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Julian wrote
>
> I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still
> possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't
> pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though.
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:52:02 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Braxton

> I have five books on Braxton, all of them pretty good (though I only
> really grokked what his stuff was about when I got the Willisau CD set and
> its excellent liner notes).

Thanks for the references -- some stuff I clearly didn't know here.
This is the one I was thinking of:

> Mike Heffley, "The Music of Anthony Braxton"

Which is the Willisau set? His albums all have such unmemorable
titles -- which I like, but I never know which ones I've heard and
which I haven't.

ATB,


Richard Cochrane

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:10:47 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: Braxton

> And talking
> about scripting, what do you think of  Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if
> there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can  clue me?)
After Forces In Motion, the book by Graham Lock dedicated to the music of
Anthony Braxton and based on several hours of interviews taped during the
1985 english tour of the Braxton quartet, other volumes appeared. They are:
A.B. Sein Leben, Seine Musik, Seine Schallplatten, 1993, by Peter N. Wilson
New Musical Figurations, Anthony BraxtonÆs Cultural Critique, 1994, by
Ronald M. Radano
Mixtery, A Festschrift for Anthony Braxton, edited by Graham Lock
 Anthony Braxton Music, by Mike Heffley
Anthony Braxton Creative Music Continuums, by Alun Ford



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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:31:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: R: Braxton

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Francesco Martinelli wrote:

> After Forces In Motion, the book by Graham Lock dedicated to the music of
> Anthony Braxton and based on several hours of interviews taped during the
> 1985 english tour of the Braxton quartet, other volumes appeared. They ar=
e:
> A.B. Sein Leben, Seine Musik, Seine Schallplatten, 1993, by Peter N. Wils=
on
> New Musical Figurations, Anthony Braxton=92s Cultural Critique, 1994, by
> Ronald M. Radano
> Mixtery, A Festschrift for Anthony Braxton, edited by Graham Lock
>  Anthony Braxton Music, by Mike Heffley
> Anthony Braxton Creative Music Continuums, by Alun Ford

Ah, right... I had forgetten Mixtery, which has a lot of good information
in it.

I'm not familiar with the Wilson. Is it available in English? Is it worth
deploying my high-school German class recall to plow through it?

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 99 14:10:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Akchote Recommendations

     Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote,
     Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote
     releases would folk here recommend?

     Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings,
     'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several
     dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues. Plus, the Atlantic's don't,
     I assume, contain Steve's excellent liner notes, right? Nice job
     Steve! But what's with that little blurp of 'Unanka' at the end of the
     'Bap-Tizum' disc?

     Now if we can only get 'Les Stances a Sophie' and 'People in Sorrow'
     discafied....

     Brian Olewnick




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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:26:10 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations

Speaking of the 'Lust Corner' disc... I happen to really enjoy the last
cut, "Dirt," that Chadbourne tune.  I was wondering, what, in his extensive
catalog, would be a Chadbourne album that would have similar songs to Dirt?
Any help in this direction would be...helpful.

Thanks,
Dan Hewins

Sorry, Brian, I can't really recommend anything... the only other thing I
know that has Noel on it is the Evan Parker disc of a name that escapes me
now.

At 2:10 PM -0500 2/3/99, [e-mail] wrote:
>     Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote,
>     Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote
>     releases would folk here recommend?



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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:47:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations

In a message dated 2/3/99 2:31:07 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Sorry, Brian, I can't really recommend anything... the only other thing I
know that has Noel on it is the Evan Parker disc of a name that escapes me
now. >>

there are two of those. one is Somewhere Bi-Lingual, on Siesta. it's a quartet
record with Noel, Parker, Mark Sanders and Paul Rogers. this one's very good
if you can find it.

the one I really like, though, is Live at Les Instants Chavires, on Leo. I've
raved about this one here before so I'll just say that I think it's Parker's
most accomplished electroacoustic record yet.

most of Akchote's stuff is vinyl-only, on the French label Rectangle.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:20:01 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations

[e-mail] wrote:

>      Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote,
>      Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote
>      releases would folk here recommend?

The duet with Bailey 'Close To The Kitchen' on Rectangle is very good and I'd
also second Jon Abbey's rec for Parker's 'Live at Les Instants Chavires'. I
believe Akchote has a side-long solo LP on Rectangle though I haven't heard or
seen it...

>      Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings,
>      'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several
>      dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues.

What's the scoop with these separate re-issues?? I got both those Koch discs
too and got really excited when I saw Steve's notes!

I found 'Chi Congo' second-hand today and picked it up (though haven't listened
to it yet). Why have I never heard of this record before and why is it on
Paula??

                                    -Tom Pratt


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:35:46 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: bobby previte show

I saw the Bobby Previte "Bitches Brew" project last night at the Basement
in Sydney.
I guess this goes without saying, but Bobby's playing was absolutely
brilliant, and his conducting of the ensemble was fun to watch too. All the
musicians involved were competent, and for the most part the pieces were
played interestingly and musically. The pieces they played were:

John McLaughlin
Bitches Brew
Pharaoh's Dance
In A Silent Way

And these 4 pieces went for about 140 minutes!

Julian.
http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:04:28 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Art Ensemble on Koch [was Akchote recommendations]

Tom Pratt wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >      Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings,
> >      'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several
> >      dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues.
>
> What's the scoop with these separate re-issues?? I got both those Koch discs
> too and got really excited when I saw Steve's notes!

Blush... thanks!  It was a special honor to get to write those notes, given my
massive love for the Art Ensemble.  That's why I'd like to state, for the record
and in front of everybody, that I made a MASSIVELY STUPID AND OBVIOUS FACTUAL ERROR
in the notes to "Fanfare for the Warriors."  I figure there are plenty of sharp
folks out there who will pick up on this but might be too polite to mention it
knowing I'm here, so I might as well lay it on the line, and I also don't want
anybody to be misled by my *truly inexplicable* brain fart:

In my notes I stated that "Fanfare for the Warriors," featuring Muhal Richard
Abrams, was the first AEOC disc to include a non-member guest musician.

In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!!!!!!!!!!"  You see, I *knew* of at least three
earlier records that used non-member guests (I don't count the material in the
Nessa box, preferring to treat all musicians on those sessions as provisional
members in the early days).  In no particular order, these were:

"Les Stances a Sophie" (Fontella Bass)
"Certain Blacks" (Chicago Beau and Julio Finn)
and, all together now... "The Art Ensemble of Chicago with Fontella Bass"!!!!!!!

I also later learned that the incredibly rare "Go Home" (which I purchased on a CD
of dubious legality in Boston last July) featured not just a guest or two but an
entire wind ensemble on one track.  That one, perhaps, was obscure enough to be
forgivable.  But the two records with Bass, especially "Les Stances" (one of my own
favorite records!), are too canonical to be so easily forgiven.  And I knew of all
of these records BEFORE writing the notes for the Koch reissues.  It's a
nightmare!  Someone tried to talk me off the ledge by saying that the guests on the
three above listed records are all singers (and therefore not "musicians," was I to
surmise?), but I remain unconsolable and contrite.  It's one reason why any writer
ought to pray for a knowledgeable proofreader, something that wasn't available in
this particular case.

That bit aside, I remain fairly proud of those notes - my first non-classical music
note writing gig! - in general, especially the perhaps-obvious-but-nonetheless-cute
"Tourette's-de-force" bit regarding Bowie's solo on "Ohnedaruth" on "Bap-Tizum,"
and thank you and Brian for mentioning them.

As for why there were reissues from both Atlantic and Koch, the Atlantic reissues
were produced by the French branch of Atlantic and were never intended for import
into the U.S.  Koch had been assured exclusive rights by the American branch of
Atlantic, but that's seldom if ever stopped Tower from bringing the imports in
anyway.  (Koch had the same problem with Tower when they were licensing DIW
releases for domestic issue prior to distributing the label altogether.)  Anyway,
my notes are not the true benefit of the Koch versions, the HDCD remastering is.

> I found 'Chi Congo' second-hand today and picked it up (though haven't listened
> to it yet). Why have I never heard of this record before and why is it on
> Paula??

I'm jealous... that's one of those incredibly rare AEOC records that I once had my
hands on in a store, only to set it aside to purchase later, and we all know how
that scenario always plays out...  I'd only heard of it because John Swenson's old
Rolling Stone Jazz Record Guide listed it (and "Certain Blacks," too).  Why it's on
Paula is anybody's guess... I don't know of anything else on that label.  I think
Rick Lopez recently pointed me towards a copy on auction, but it was too pricy for
my ways and means at the moment.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Meshuggah, "The Exquisite Machinery of Torture," _Chaosphere_


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:42:50 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: bobby previte show

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:35:46 +1100, Julian wrote:

> I saw the Bobby Previte "Bitches Brew" project last night at the Basement
> in Sydney.
who played with him?
Do they plan any tours in Europe? I' sure they don't...
(BTW nice to be back here)
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail]




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