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Zorn List Digest Friday, December 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 550
In this issue:
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Re: Irene Schweizer
Re: Irene Schweitzer
Arto and DNA
Re: Arto and DNA
Robert Beck Memorial Cinema -- December
Zorn Will Be At Knitting Factory With Gary Lucas Friday Night 12/11/98
Re: Irene Schweitzer
Re: Arto Lindsay
Penguin Guide to Jazz
Hemphill/ Oliver Lake
John Zorn won on Jeopardy tonight
Fwd: Amnesty Int'l human rights pledge
Forced Exposure
Re: Forced Exposure
Re: Forced Exposure
Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
zorn on dvd
What's going on?
Umezu
Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Mingus - classical jazz
Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:34:06 -0500
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Irene Schweizer
>Date: Mon, 07 Dec 98 16:33:37 -0500
>From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
>Subject: Irene Schweitzer
>
> This afternoon, WKCR is playing three hours of Irene Schweitzer's work
> and it's sounding pretty good. I don't really know her stuff very
> well; as near as I can recall, I have her playing on Barry Guy's great
> 'Theoria' and a somewhat interesting Intakt release from the late
> 80's, 'The Storming of the Winter Palace', probably a few other
> places, but nothing as leader.
>
> Can any recommend some prime Schweitzer for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Olewnick
My God, someone that Brian is not familiar with!!!
I haven't heard a lot of her stuff, but do have the Solo Vols 1 and 2 (I
think that's all they are called. Maybe Solo Piano). Anyway, I think they
are both great. She is THE improv pianist who completely stays away from
the Cecil Taylor vein. Some of the music on the discs I have is closer to
Art Tatum than Taylor. There are also lots of completely abstract pieces
that have references to nothing I can think of. You never know where it is
going. I would recommend both of volumes.
I also have one with Joelle Leandre and Maggie Nicols. Can't say much
about it, because I have only listened to it once. Of course, that
statement says lots about it on its own. I'm not a big voice fan, so I
think that is what probably deters me from giving it a second chance.
Dan
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:57:43 +0200
From: "Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs" <m145651202@abonados.cplus.es>
Subject: Re: Irene Schweitzer
brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: .
> Can any recommend some prime Schweitzer for me?
Two really great Schweizer recordings I'd like to recomend everyone:
- - Live at Taktlos (Intakt 001/1986) with George Lewis (tb), Maggie Nicols
(voc), Gⁿnter Sommer (perc), J÷elle Leandre (b), Lindsay Cooper (p) and Paul
Lovens (perc) playing in different combinations with IrΦne.
- - Overlapping Hands (Free Music Prods. 30/1991), a must-have piano duet with
Marilyn Crispell.
Talking about interesting female pianists, what about Christine Wodraska? Her
CD "Vertical" is one of my favs (At the spanish internet jazz group, we have
been talking a lot about her recently...)
Ciao
Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs
- -
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:41:18 +0200
From: nathalie claeys <nclaeys@unicall.be>
Subject: Arto and DNA
>I've recently purchased Lindsay's Noon Chill?
A while ago I managed to buy the reissued No New York record in Japan. Arto
is on this record with his band DNA. Although I don't know if it'll be
released in Europe or the States, I can definitely recommend it. One of the
best records I bought this year...
Nathalie
np Neneh Cherry "raw like sushi"
Beam me up, Scotty!
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:55:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Arto and DNA
On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nathalie claeys wrote:
> A while ago I managed to buy the reissued No New York record in Japan. Arto
> is on this record with his band DNA. Although I don't know if it'll be
> released in Europe or the States, I can definitely recommend it. One of the
> best records I bought this year...
that is evidently some kind of bootleg. according to the guys in mars,
the master tapes for "no new york" were lost when antilles went out of
business.
b
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:00:10 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Robert Beck Memorial Cinema -- December
This was posted on the experimental film mailing list. I clipped the
non-Zornish part of the schedule. LT
>THE ROBERT BECK MEMORIAL CINEMA PRESENTS
>****************************************
>
>DECEMBER 1998
>
>(A Little Late..)
>
>DECEMBER 22 -- SATYRICON AND OTHER WORKS
>David Shea and Lisa Di Lillo present SATYRICON, a live performance for solo
>sampler and video. Loosely based on the ancient Roman novel, as well as
>Fellini's film version, this performance follows the fragmented narrative
>structure of the novel/film. Similar in approach to its source, the
>music/video combines & recontextualizes various genres, navigating through
>satire, ritual, excessive sentimentality and societal decay.
>All Shows on Tuesday nights at 9pm
>at Collective Unconscious, 145 Ludlow, NYC
>
>$3-5 admission
>
>contact:
>Brian Frye
>(718)443-6040
>Cooper Station Box 499
>NY, NY 10276-0499
- ------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
UDF?Had(*lfkja 31415926yer 12seven,&&&
you betcha!!
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:48:59 EST
From: NYLifer@aol.com
Subject: Zorn Will Be At Knitting Factory With Gary Lucas Friday Night 12/11/98
In a message dated 12/8/98 1:36:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, I asked:
> Was listening to Gary Lucas playing live for 2 hours on WFMU last night (he
> is
> still jaw dropping amazing by the way), and they were hinting about guests
> sitting in with Gary at his 10th anniversary show at the Knitting Factory
> Friday night, 12/11/98.
>
> Anybody know if JZ will be there or not? I'll be there taping in the
balcony
> if anybody wants to come by and say hi or share a beer.
CONFIRMED. JZ will show up and play with Gary for a bit Friday night. See you
there! Bring your tape recorders if you'd like a patch.
Robert
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:24:27 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Irene Schweitzer
brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
>
> Can any recommend some prime Schweitzer for me?
I'll recommend one that is not mentioned too often- _The Early Tapes_ on FMP.
It features a trio of Schweizer along with Guru Guru's rhythm section of Ulli
Trepte on bass and Mani Neumeier on drums. Acoustic psych-jazz that is unlike
anything I can immediately think of.
Can't say if FMP has reissued this on CD yet. I *can* say that Schweizer
never sounded like this again.
spinning: Hendrix- Band of Gypsys
=dgasque=
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:24:29 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay
In a message dated 12/8/98 4:23:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, j-
villaverde@mx3.redestb.es writes:
> Well, I think that the rest of the work of Arto Lindsay doesn't compare with
> this records. (perhaps his group Ambitious Lovers - try Dora by Dorival
> Caymmi).
> For me, his records in Brazil, are the most similar thing, try:
> a.. Caetano Veloso: Estrangeiro (produced by Lindsay) with Bill
Frisell,
> Nana Vasconcelos, Peter Sherer, Marc Ribot...
> b.. Caetano Veloso: Circulado (produced by Lindsay) with Ribot,
Sakamoto
> or Butch Morris
> c.. Marisa Monte: Mais (produced by Lindsay) with Ribot, Worrell, Zorn,
> Ehrlich, Sakamoto, Carol Emmanuel, Cyro Baptista...
Since we're talking about artists from Brasil, can anyone tell me if Gilberto
Gil's first two LPs have been re-issued on CD yet? I don't know the titles,
but i've heard that they are absolutely stunning works...
spinning: Hendrix- Band of Gypsys
=dgasque=
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:17:17 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Penguin Guide to Jazz
anyone who can't wait for the new fourth edition to make its way to the US
(Barnes and Noble has it slated for domestic release next March) can order it
from Amazon's UK site, www.amazon.co.uk. It costs $35 including shipping, and
for me it was worth the extra ten or twelve bucks to have it four months
early. anyway, thought some of you might be interested.
Jon, whose left speaker blew out and who is currently listening to the Art
Ensemble's Fanfare For The Warriors in mono through one speaker. and, yes,
it's still great.
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:38:26 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Hemphill/ Oliver Lake
> > I spoke to Tim Berne last night and he said he's made some headway in
> > getting Dogon back out. It'll have to be a European release and imported to
> > the US, but at least it will be available.
>
> Further, before the question gets asked, "Reflections" was not available for
> license in a combined package because it is being remastered for release as
> "Coon Bid'ness."
Can we still ask - when might it come out, what label, and did they get
the orig. masters?
Also, I got Oliver Lake's _Heavy Spirits_ which is from around the same
time and another product of the DA reissue-and-cut-out series, but its
definately worth getting at the price and before its gone. The sound is
actually pretty good, they spell the names right, its cheap ($7-8), and
its a pretty great LP if you like anything from Ornette to Tim Berne.
Just in case anyone's interested...
WY
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:40:00 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: John Zorn won on Jeopardy tonight
Not THE John Zorn, just a school-teacher from LA. Still, it amused me at
the time.
By the way, has anyone ordered anything from Forced Exposure recently (or
ever)? I ordered some stuff almost a month ago and other than the initial
confirmation that the order had been placed, I haven't heard anything at
all from them, even after I sent more follow-up e-mails.
Just curious to see if they are always this bad at customer service or if
I'm just lucky.
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:21:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Tony Reif <treif@songlines.com>
Subject: Fwd: Amnesty Int'l human rights pledge
To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights, Amnesty International is collecting signatures for a pledge to
support this very important United Nations Declaration.
Amnesty already has 3 million signatures (real and virtual) worldwide, and
wants 8 million (which would be 1% of the world's population). The UN
Secretary General has already agreed to receive the pledge as a tangible
statement of the people of the world's commitment to an international
agenda of human rights.
The most simple way to add your name to the pledge is to
Send an email to: udhr50th@amnesty.org.au
Put YOUR NAME in the SUBJECT and the following text in the message:
"I support the rights and freedoms in the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights for all people, everywhere."
Forward this message to as many people as you can.
Soren Ibsen
Teknisk konservator
NTNU-UBiT
Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:45:22 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Forced Exposure
> By the way, has anyone ordered anything from Forced Exposure recently (or
> ever)? I ordered some stuff almost a month ago and other than the
initial
> confirmation that the order had been placed, I haven't heard anything at
> all from them, even after I sent more follow-up e-mails.
>
> Just curious to see if they are always this bad at customer service or if
> I'm just lucky.
I ordered something a couple of months ago and never got any reply at all.
Luckily I didn't lose any money.
- -
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:15:09 EST
From: TWHY666@aol.com
Subject: Re: Forced Exposure
In a message dated 12/9/98 6:58:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes:
<< > By the way, has anyone ordered anything from Forced Exposure recently (or
> ever)? I ordered some stuff almost a month ago and other than the
initial
> confirmation that the order had been placed, I haven't heard anything at
> all from them, even after I sent more follow-up e-mails.
>
> Just curious to see if they are always this bad at customer service or if
> I'm just lucky.
I ordered something a couple of months ago and never got any reply at all.
Luckily I didn't lose any money. >>
I did an order with them like a year ago and it took only three weeks. Maybe
there just under staffed at the moment?
Chad
- -
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:02:32 -0500
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: Forced Exposure
At the risk of trying everyone's patience, I have to stick up for FE and
note I've made more orders than I care to admit and have always gotten them
promptly with little fuss. They even tracked me down once from old records
to confirm a garbled address.
>In a message dated 12/9/98 6:58:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
>jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes:
>
><< > By the way, has anyone ordered anything from Forced Exposure recently (or
> > ever)? I ordered some stuff almost a month ago and other than the
> initial
> > confirmation that the order had been placed, I haven't heard anything at
> > all from them, even after I sent more follow-up e-mails.
> >
> > Just curious to see if they are always this bad at customer service or if
> > I'm just lucky.
>
> I ordered something a couple of months ago and never got any reply at all.
> Luckily I didn't lose any money. >>
>
>I did an order with them like a year ago and it took only three weeks. Maybe
>there just under staffed at the moment?
>
>Chad
>
>-
- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."
- -
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:52:25 -0800
From: "Christian Heslop" <xian@mbay.net>
Subject: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
A friend of mine recently loaned me his copy of "Black Saint and the
Sinner Lady". After a few listenings, I am determined to embark upon a
thorough exploration of the classical jazz canon (this is an outsider's
designation, please be gentle). I would welcome comments on this piece as
well as recommendations on other material. Thank you.
Christian
- -
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:20:18 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: zorn on dvd
well, sort of. i was checking out upcoming releases when i noticed that
"branded to kill" was slated for release in feb. one of the special features
listed is a "vintage Japanese film ephemera from the collection of John Zorn."
i thought it was kinda cool.
check it out:
http://www.dvdreview.com/movies/FilmReleases.html
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:29:55 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: What's going on?
All of a sudden, this list has gone silent for the past few days...
=dgasque=
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 98 08:53:39 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Umezu
Sorry, I forget who posted the original annoucement of Umezu's gig at
the Knitting Factory but, whoever it was, thanks very much. I caught
his new quartet last night (the first time I've ever heard his music)
and was quite impressed. The band was Kazutoki Umezu on reeds, Ribot
on guitar, Brad Jones on bass and Kenny Wolleson drumming. The five
pieces ranged widely: a fierce post-AACM free-bopper, a quirky march,
a quiet, noirish dirge, a tune possibly modeled after Coltrane's
'Spiritual' with extended technique on soprano, and ended with a
glorious, almost out-of-control calypso. Umezu showed fine command and
humor and Ribot just gets better. For comparison purposes, you might
think of him as the Japanese Carlo Actis Dato.
Highly recommended if he ever hits your area.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:31:22 +0100
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
> A friend of mine recently loaned me his copy of "Black Saint and the
>Sinner Lady". After a few listenings, I am determined to embark upon a
>thorough exploration of the classical jazz canon (this is an outsider's
>designation, please be gentle). I would welcome comments on this piece as
>well as recommendations on other material. Thank you.
Black Saint and the Sinner Lady...
I always though of Mingus as this happy person always making "groovy" big
band jazz. He totally surprized me with this album. I had heard "Mingus *5".
"New Tijuana Moods" and "Blues and Roots" all of them with really hapy
songs. "The Black Saint..." however, is a really sad recording. Wonderfully
sad.
As for recommendations, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by classical
jazz, but go with Mingus. He's really something.
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:34 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: Mingus - classical jazz
I have refered to Mingus music as classical jazz and not just jazz. The
real distinction is that most of his comosition are his own
vision/expression, the voice of the individual artists making up the band
is somewhat compromised. There are exceptions of course. A truly great read
is Mingus' autobiography, Beneath the Underdog.
One of my favorite recordings is the trio with Duke and Max Roach, Money
Jungle.
JT
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:08:15 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
I really don't have a set list, but some "classic"(al) jazz records that
seem to me to be worth at least several listens include Ornette
Coleman's SHAPE OF JAZZ TO COME; Miles Davis's ESP, COMPLETE CONCERT
1964, ROUND ABOUT MIDNIGHT, and SKETCHES OF SPAIN; John Coltrane's
CRESCENT, SUNSHIP, PLAYS THE BLUES, and GIANT STEPS, and A LOVE SUPREME
among others (hard to go wrong w/Trane); Art Blakey's FREE FOR ALL;
Mingus' AH UM and PITHECANTHROPUS ERECTUS. Geez, there are so many. I
hope this doesn't start a top-thirty list epidemic,
- --s
>From: "Christian Heslop" <xian@mbay.net>
>To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:52:25 -0800
>
> A friend of mine recently loaned me his copy of "Black Saint and the
>Sinner Lady". After a few listenings, I am determined to embark upon a
>thorough exploration of the classical jazz canon (this is an outsider's
>designation, please be gentle). I would welcome comments on this piece
as
>well as recommendations on other material. Thank you.
> Christian
>
>-
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:44:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <ericmartens@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
A few that I keep coming back to:
The Quintet (Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Mingus, Max Roach, & I
believe Bud Powell) -- Jazz at Massey Hall
Duke Ellington & His Orchestra @ Newport
Thelonious Monk -- Monk's Dream
& this cassette on LaserLight of Charlie Christian, Monk, Gillespie &
a host of others at some little NYC club ca. 1938, sound quality's
hardly great, but it still kicks ass (don't have it w/ me, can't
recall the title)
eric martens
- ---Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I really don't have a set list, but some "classic"(al) jazz records
that
> seem to me to be worth at least several listens include Ornette
> Coleman's SHAPE OF JAZZ TO COME; Miles Davis's ESP, COMPLETE CONCERT
> 1964, ROUND ABOUT MIDNIGHT, and SKETCHES OF SPAIN; John Coltrane's
> CRESCENT, SUNSHIP, PLAYS THE BLUES, and GIANT STEPS, and A LOVE
SUPREME
> among others (hard to go wrong w/Trane); Art Blakey's FREE FOR ALL;
> Mingus' AH UM and PITHECANTHROPUS ERECTUS. Geez, there are so many.
I
> hope this doesn't start a top-thirty list epidemic,
>
> --s
>
> >From: "Christian Heslop" <xian@mbay.net>
> >To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> >Subject: Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
> >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:52:25 -0800
> >
> > A friend of mine recently loaned me his copy of "Black Saint and the
> >Sinner Lady". After a few listenings, I am determined to embark
upon a
> >thorough exploration of the classical jazz canon (this is an
outsider's
> >designation, please be gentle). I would welcome comments on this
piece
> as
> >well as recommendations on other material. Thank you.
> > Christian
> >
> >-
> >
> >
>
>
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