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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #520
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 520
In this issue:
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Re: Hanrahan recs?
Anthony Coleman
Re: John Oswald/David Prentice across the states
Re: Bennett, Kazetoki Umezu
Tim Berne, Hank Roberts
Re: Pigpen
Re: limited percussion
Glenn Branca
Re: GJM:Kiss was Re[2]: recent goodies
Re: John Zorn at the Barbican, London, 29th October 1998
Re[2]: Hanrahan recs?
Re: Re[2]: Hanrahan recs?
Re: John Oswald/David Prentice across the states
Mix Tape Swap
MicroZorn
Re: Oswald on alto
Re: John Zorn at the Barbican, London, 29th October 1998
Re: BB: We have 3 volunteers for the Nov. Stinger
Re: Hanrahan recs?
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:19:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Hanrahan recs?
Al T wrote:
> So where's Exotica relative to the titles folks have been recommending? (To
> refresh, Desire Developes an Edge and Verticals Currency were specifically
> recommended.)
I haven't listened to "Exotica" as much as the earlier albums, so I can't compare
substantively. But, as I said before, "Desire Develops an Edge" is one of my
all-time "to die for" albums - a singular experience, naked emotion, genuine
lyrical artistry, an art film from beginning to end, and "Vertical's Currency" is
similar, only smoother and more romantic. Jack Bruce has never sounded lovelier
as a singer, and the meeting of Downtown edge with older worlds (Santeria, tango,
African percussion) I find damn near irresistible. I also find the first
"Conjure" record to be of similar high quality, but haven't ever heard the
second. "Days and Nights of Blue Luck Inverted" is also nice, though I find the
fey vocals by Fernando Saunders (Lou Reed's great fretless bassist of the '80s) a
step down from Bruce's bald male-issimo. I'm ready to immerse myself in new
stuff, even if it's been sitting around for a while.
"Why do these blues seem so damn sweet to me?"
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:42:06 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Anthony Coleman
Someone asked about Anthony Coleman CDs besides the first Sephardic Tinge.
After about 10 listens I think I can officially recommend the new
Sephardic Tinge as well, there's nothing as great as "ladino Passacaglia"
but overall its maybe more coherent as a whole. Dark and brooding but in
a different way than the Masada Chamber Ensembles, actually there's more
humor in S.T. And musically Coleman's stuff is more twisted, the forms
are really odd too - not much head solo head stuff at all.
I can't recommend the second Selfhaters CD, because I really didn't 'get'
it, I don't hink. Still interesting though.I wonder if anyone who has
heard both, if they could compare them...
On an unrelated note, did anyone get or hear the "Self Indulgent Music" CD
on Tzadik? Not that the sound sample I heard was so promising, but I was
just wondering - anyone?
WY
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:01:20 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: John Oswald/David Prentice across the states
At 10:50 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 04:49 AM 11/3/98 -0500, Adam MacGregor wrote:
>>Does anybody know of any recordings
>>in existence of Oswald on alto? I'd like to relive those glorious several
>>minutes of terror...
>
>I haven't heard it, but there is a live recording of duets between Oswald
>on alto and Henry Kaiser, recorded in 1978 and 1996 (in the same hall no
>less). It's listed at Wayside.
>
I just purchased (but haven't had time to listen to yet) a recording called
"Acoustics" featuring Oswald on Alto, Kaiser on acoustic guitar, O'Rourke
on Acoustic guitar and Mari Kimura on Violin. It's on Victo, released in
1994. From the samples I've heard so far, it should be quite good, though
I don't know about "terror" yet.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:58:35 +0200
From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <ohrndorf@zippel.de>
Subject: Re: Bennett, Kazetoki Umezu
> >
> > At that time I also saw Samm Bennett playing solo to some kind of old b&w
> > cartoon movies. Does anyone know that was? Are there any recordings? Samm
> > played electric drums, sampler and stuff like that and it was also very
> > good.
>
> Could it KOKO THE CLOWN? To my knowledge, this was never recorded.
>
> Patrice.
>
Yes, I remeber it was KOKO THE CLOWN. I imagine a recording of Samms
music for that film maybe would not impress me like the performance. The
music worked perfectly for the movie and was really a part of it. This
is a problem I had with quite a few of those movie performances. Videos
of the original movies with the new music on them is something I really
miss. I guess it has something to do with copyright problems.
BTW does anyone know what Samm Bennett is now involved in. My latest,
but at least 2 years old news is that he is living in japan.
The same for Kazetoki Umezu. I love his "first deserter" recording with
Ribot, Cora.
Has anyone else heard Umezus klezmer recording? I think this one is
quite fun to listen to.
Martin
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:16:33 +0200
From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <ohrndorf@zippel.de>
Subject: Tim Berne, Hank Roberts
Yesterday I caught a performance of Tim Bernes Paraphrase here in
Cologne. As always I liked it very much. The only thing is that Tom
Rainey is always playing so lound, although I enjoy what he is playing.
It really blew my ears. The other thing was that after the last tune Tim
said "I don't like playing encores. It is nothing personal". This is OK
for me, as the band really gave a lot of energy to the music through the
regular performance time. For me even the complexest musical performance
has some entertaining elements and I feel that Tim is taking his music
very, very serious. But maybe I'm wrong.
As I saw on the levelgreen website http://www.levelgreen.com/ there will
be or is a duo recording with Tim and cellist Hank Roberts. Has anyone
heard it? Are there any opinions concerning the other two levelgreen
Hank Roberts CDs?
Martin
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:13:58 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Pigpen
There are some good pieces on V As In Victim, but I find it pales
next to Miss Ann, which is more energetic and sustained, and which I
can kighly recommend. It's only about 40 minutes long, tho'.
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:24:00 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: limited percussion
Well, I have to add that Max Roach, in concert in Glasgow in 1994,
came out for an encore without the other three guys, unscrewed his
snare drum, and brought it to the front of the stage, and just played
on that. Superb! (Has anyone ever noticed how he looks like Chief
Judge Silver from Judge Dredd? Or am I in the cultural backwater of
British comics of the late 70s - early 80s, here?)
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:46:24 +0100
From: Anders Fransson <anders.fransson@bibl.hoe.se>
Subject: Glenn Branca
Have anyone see any rewiews about the Glenn Branca concert at the
Barbican in London this weekend?
When does the Symphony no. 11 enter the market?
Anders
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____________________________________________________________________________
Anders Fransson, Biblioteket, Hogskolan i Orebro,
701 82 Orebro, Sweden.
e-mail: anders.fransson@bibl.hoe.se
Phone +46 19 30 38 66
Fax +46 19 30 38 55
____________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 98 09:56:46 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: GJM:Kiss was Re[2]: recent goodies
Steve wrote:
>P.P.S. Personally, though, I'm still hoping for "Great Jewish Music: Stanley
>Eisen and Chaim Witz" (I'm absolutely serious... engage me in debate on the
>subject if you dare...).
I confess I had NO idea what or whom you were talking about until an
Alta Vista search uncovered the horrifying truth. While I'm sure I've
absorbed by cultural osmosis some Kiss product, I couldn't, off the
top of my head, name or identify a piece (be thankful for small
favors!). But I fear I'd be even more dubious about this project than
the Bolan one which, so far, I've had no inclination to sample.
Nothing against plumbing the dross of pop music for hidden jewels; I
thought the Bacharach project was a wonderful idea, having always
wondered why more jazzers didn't follow Kirk's lead and record more BB
covers. Similarly with Gainsbourg.
But who knows? To the extent it could possibly work, I'd rather hear
the songs tackled by non-rock-oriented performers or ensembles.
Somehow, the idea of Kramer or Sean Lennon interpreting a Kiss tune
leaves me yawning.
How about GJM: Tuli Kupferberg? Lisa Loeb (guessing)? Theodore Bikel?
Alan Sherman! Yamantaka Eye covering 'Hello Muddah'!
Brian (Honk If You Love Judas) Olewnick
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:22:32 +0000
From: Daren S Williams <Daren_Williams@uk.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: John Zorn at the Barbican, London, 29th October 1998
> Given the witty pastiches I sometimes wondered if the 'freaky'
> sounds they went for were themselves parodies of 'free' playing - but=
I
> think I was the only one laughing.
Thanks for the review - but I think other people got the musical jokes =
in "Cat
o' Nine Tails," "Carny"
and the others. It was just a shame that Willie Winant decided to brea=
k the
first plank of wood over his
largish stomach - everyone certainly laughed then! Shame because the n=
oise of
the audience
distracted from the music. Next time Winant broke a plank of wood it w=
as
thankfully with his foot.
I think even he was embarrassed!
I had the pleasure of sitting behind Steve Beresford and he certainly e=
njoyed
it. He was laughing
so much I guess he recognised most of Zorn's musical cues. Especially =
in Rugby
where the band
members were asking for the prepared cue/improv cards. Highly entertai=
ning
watching the players
requesting card three by shaking 3 fingers in the air but with Zorn som=
etimes
shaking his head in
disapproval. Zorn also seemed to signal the 'conductor' by flicking hi=
s (now
long) hair - any ideas
on the meaning of this?
The musical result was fantastic. I'd never seen Zorn live - shame he =
only
played on one piece as
his technique is fascinating to watch & exhilarating to listen to. Usi=
ng his
left thigh as a mute was great.
I just wish I'd made it to the Masada concert he gave in Edinburgh.
Humour in music - wonderful. But I'm left wondering that sometimes wat=
ching
the group distracted
from the music created. But it was fun putting it all together. I've l=
istened
to Zorn for over 8 years now
and it was great to put the actions to the sounds. It's helped my list=
ening no
end.
Does anyone know when Zorn is in the UK next? And is it still possible=
to get
a recording of Rugby?
Regards
Daren Williams
=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 98 08:11:54 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Hanrahan recs?
Steve wrote:
>But, as I said before, "Desire Develops an Edge" is one of my all-time "to die
>for" albums - a singular experience, naked emotion, genuine lyrical artistry,
>an art film from beginning to end, and "Vertical's Currency" is
>similar, only smoother and more romantic.
Heartily seconded. Both albums are must-haves and, aside from some of Hanrahan's
subsequent output, pretty unique sound worlds. I'd only add that 'Make Love 2'
from 'Vertical's Currency', were there any justice in the music world, should've
made multi-millions on the pop charts.
>Jack Bruce has never sounded lovelier as a singer, and the meeting of Downtown
>edge with older worlds (Santeria, tango, African percussion) I find damn near
>irresistible. I also find the first "Conjure" record to be of similar high
>quality, but haven't ever heard the second.
It's a bit different, perhaps less earthy, than the first, but still quite
enjoyable and worth having. (The title, BTW, is "Cab Calloway Stands in for the
Moon").
>"Days and Nights of Blue Luck Inverted" is also nice, though I find the fey
>vocals by Fernando Saunders (Lou Reed's great fretless bassist of the '80s) a
>step down from Bruce's bald male-issimo.
Yeah, but there's that incredible vocal by Clare Bathe! What's the deal with
her? Has she ever done anything else?
In general, I've always found something of value on KH's releases
(and, in fact, on just about anything released on American
Clave--check out Jerry Gonzalez' "Ya Yo Ma Cure"), though again, I'd
agree with Steve that the two records he cited are the cream of the
crop.
Brian Olewnick
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:24:20 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Hanrahan recs?
On Wed, 04 Nov 98 08:11:54 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
I was checking my Arto Lindsay discography and realized that COUP DE TETE has
only one pressing (LP from 1981). Could it be that it never got a CD reissue?
Any help about subsequent pressing is welcome.
Thanks,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:47:30 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: John Oswald/David Prentice across the states
On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:50:05 -0500 "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> At 04:49 AM 11/3/98 -0500, Adam MacGregor wrote:
> >Does anybody know of any recordings
> >in existence of Oswald on alto? I'd like to relive those glorious several
> >minutes of terror...
>
> I haven't heard it, but there is a live recording of duets between Oswald
> on alto and Henry Kaiser, recorded in 1978 and 1996 (in the same hall no
> less). It's listed at Wayside.
And there is the historic one:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MOOSE AND SALMON: Henry Kaiser, Toshinori Kondo & John Oswald
???? - Music Gallery Editions (Canada), MGE 30 (LP)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the late '70s (or early '80s).
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:19:27 EST
From: MeandMrRay@aol.com
Subject: Mix Tape Swap
Hello Everyone,
I've done this on a few other listserv's, and thought it would be
perfect for this list. I'm going to try to set up a mix tape swap. Anyone
that was interested would make a 90min. mixtape to send, and in return would
receive a 90min. mixtape. This is a great way to hear new music, and to share
your favorites with a complete stranger. If anyone is interested, drop me a
line and give me your address. I'm going to leave this open until Monday. On
Monday morning I will post the structure. I wont be pairing people up (unless
they are from out of the US, then I may have to for shipping cost reasons)
instead I will be using a: Person A sends to Person B, who sends to C, who
sends to D... you get the picture. The last person on the list will send to
the first person. If anyone would rather do a mixtape on Minidisc, I will
pair up with them (I love making mix MD's). If your interested, you will need
to be able to send within a week or so from next Monday (when I post the
structure). I'm asking everyone to please use a high bias tape (XLII, SA90..
Something like that). Anyone that's interested, send me your address and you
will be part of the fun.
Looking forward to hearing some new music.
Greg
PS. I will also be taking people from the Boston Improv list, so If you get
this twice I apologize!
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:42:34 -0600 (CST)
From: JUAN ENRIQUE VILLARREAL SALAZAR <al583856@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
Subject: MicroZorn
I was watching TV the other day when I stumbled upon a Microsft ad with
cows in it. The music seemed very familiar. And then I recognized it.
Microsoft used the music for the end titles of "Anton, Mailman" in their
cow commercial. Pretty good, don't you think?
I just thought you'd like to know.
Ahi la vimos en la tarde,
Juan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:19:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Ethan <eclauset@webslingerZ.com>
Subject: Re: Oswald on alto
john oswald plays alto on 7/17 cuts of henry kaiser's first record "ice
death" also. dunno if it's in print or not; it was recorded in 1977 and
released on parachute records. all improv stuff except capt. beefheart's
'dali's car,' also features eugene chadbourne & others.
ethan
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:50:05 -0500
> From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
> Subject: Re: John Oswald/David Prentice across the states
>
> At 04:49 AM 11/3/98 -0500, Adam MacGregor wrote:
> >Does anybody know of any recordings
> >in existence of Oswald on alto? I'd like to relive those glorious several
> >minutes of terror...
>
> I haven't heard it, but there is a live recording of duets between Oswald
> on alto and Henry Kaiser, recorded in 1978 and 1996 (in the same hall no
> less). It's listed at Wayside.
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:39:58 -0000
From: "The Cyberschloss at Schloss Chatsworth" <schloss@mail.com>
Subject: Re: John Zorn at the Barbican, London, 29th October 1998
Daren Williams wrote:
<snip>
I had the pleasure of sitting behind Steve Beresford and he certainly
enjoyed it.
<snip>
If you were in the seat immediately behind SB you were presumably sitting
next to me (FWIW).
And all three of us had the pleasure of listening to Stephen Drury's
playing, amongst other delights on offer.
Thanks!.
Christopher Walker
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:47:19 EST
From: Swan555@aol.com
Subject: Re: BB: We have 3 volunteers for the Nov. Stinger
Deav: If you haven't all ready put the Stinger together, could you add
something about putting any nominations for this year's award to either me or
Bob Jensen.
Thanks, Crit
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