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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #500
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 500
In this issue:
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Re: Tyner
Divination (Laswell)
Re: [laswell] Divination (Laswell)
Re: Tyner
David Watson on Dr Jim's Records
Tyner and Alice Coltrane
Re: Tyner and Alice Coltrane
| NEW ||| | || not so new ||| || | ||
Re: | NEW ||| | || not so new ||| || | ||
re: European/Modern bankruptcy
re: European/Modern bankruptcy
Re: European/Modern bankruptcy
Swaps
Re: Tyner
Re: Spoken Word
Bell
Re: Bell
Re: Spoken Word/Process Music
Nov. 8 SF show
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:50:15 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Tyner
Is anyone familiar with McCoy Tyner's 1980 (?) album "Horizon". If
so, could they post personnel/date info please?
Sean Wilkie
The connection is that Tyner recently "did" Bacharach who wrote Alfie
which featured Michael Caine who, in Hannah And Her Sisters, was
married to Mia Farrow, who in turn, in Crimes and Misdemeanours,
married Alan Alda, who's ever known for his portrayal in MASH of
Hawkeye, played by Donald Sutherland in the film. And Sutherland's
son was in flatliners with Kevin Bacon, whose name brings to mind
Bacon Bunch from the otherwise not so hot Tales From The Far Side
album by Bill Frisell, guitarist with Zorn's Naked City. Phew! And
you thought this wasn't relevant!!
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:53:38 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: Divination (Laswell)
Hi,
I recently bought the new divination cd, featuring laswell and Laraaji
(on electric zither). The album is really great: no drums or beats, just
'moods'. All the four tracks are amazing, but the first two are
definetly the best. 'Reflection' reminds me of Laswell/Buckethead (very
moody, even quite romantic -in a laswellian style, if that word exists)
and the second one 'Waterbass' shows Laswell in his best way again: no
beat, very dark, very hypnotic, yep, i love uncle bill this way.
What i'd like to say: Has anyone some background on this Laraaji (has he
recorded with Laswell before???)
Best wishes,
np Aube 'Embers'. The japanese noise master does it again. The sound
source this time is fire, and the cd comes with a zippo.
ps Thanks everybody again for the help on Transonic (I send mail to DMG,
PBE and EAR)
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:14:13 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: [laswell] Divination (Laswell)
> What i'd like to say: Has anyone some background on this Laraaji (has he
> recorded with Laswell before???)
Laraaji is a black musician (born Edward Gordon, in 1943 ,
Philadelphia) playing trance-music on electric zither, autoharp
and exotic percussion, influenced by minimalism and gamelan.
He was discovered by Brian Eno in the seventies, while playing in
Washington Square Park, and made some albums for Eno's labels:
AMbient 3 :Days of Radiance (EG, 1980),
and a contribution to Music for films 3 (Opal, 1988),
He also made an album with the Japanese dub-collective
Audio Active (The way out is the way in , 1995)
No recordings with Laswell , as far as I know.
YVes
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:13:25 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Tyner
> The connection is that Tyner recently "did" Bacharach who wrote Alfie
> which featured Michael Caine who, in Hannah And Her Sisters, was
> married to Mia Farrow, who in turn, in Crimes and Misdemeanours,
> married Alan Alda, who's ever known for his portrayal in MASH of
> Hawkeye, played by Donald Sutherland in the film. And Sutherland's
> son was in flatliners with Kevin Bacon, whose name brings to mind
> Bacon Bunch from the otherwise not so hot Tales From The Far Side
> album by Bill Frisell, guitarist with Zorn's Naked City. Phew! And
> you thought this wasn't relevant!!
Ok, very smart, but you missed a couple of simpler possibilities - for
example, isn't the Tzadik Bacharach cd also "doing" Bacharach? Also, MASH's
music was done by Johnny Mandel who also wrote "I Want To Live" from the
"Naked City" cd. Check out one of those Kevin Bacon sites for an even
quicker link. Uh, incidentally, what do you mean by "otherwise not so hot
Tales From The Far Side"?
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:41:20 +1000
From: "Jim Glaspole" <drjim@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: David Watson on Dr Jim's Records
Fellow subscribers to the list may be interested in a release or two on my
label. David Watson is NZ born downtowner you may be aware of from his
bagpipe work at the Knitting Factory, Bang-On-A-Can etc. We have a CD out
by The Wax which has other musicians like Andrea Parkins, Ikue Mori, Kato
Hideki, Evan Gallagher, Otomo Yoshihide. I believe David has a CD coming
out on Avant soon. In the past we have released stuff by Blood Duster
(post-death metal band named for a Naked City track) who are released in the
USA by Relapse, and Phlegm, whose two Jewish members played at Zorn's 40th a
few years back.
Jim Glaspole
Dr Jim's Records P.O. Box 45 Clifton Hill VIC 3068 Australia
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~drjim
drjim@ozemail.com.au
fax: +61 (0)3 9428 8785
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:22:09 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tyner and Alice Coltrane
I know, I know. Straying a little further off-topic, but since Tyner was
brought up...
I'm back in an Alice Coltrane mood, now that Impulse! has released "A
Monastic Trio". Has anyone heard McCoy Tyner's "Extension", which Alic
C. played harp on? Is it worth buying? Thanks.
Peace,
DB
Bill Laswell, Eraldo Bernocchi and Lori Carson Discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 08:25:32 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Tyner and Alice Coltrane
>I'm back in an Alice Coltrane mood, now that Impulse! has released "A
>Monastic Trio". Has anyone heard McCoy Tyner's "Extension", which Alic
>C. played harp on? Is it worth buying? Thanks.
Both 'Extensions' and 'Asante' from around the same time (c. 1970) are
enjoyable and worth hearing. They serve as fine stepping stones
towards the extraordinary, unrivalled 'Sahara'.
Zorn question: Having just relistened to 'New Traditions in East Asian
Bar Bands' (and still thoroughly enjoying it), I'm wondering if anyone
knows whether Zorn wrote other pieces in this sub-genre and, if so,
are there plans for recording them. I recall seeing at least two of
these performed (at Town Hall NYC, sharing the bill with Naked City)
about ten years back, but can't remember if there were others that
have gone unrecorded.
Brian Olewnick
NR: Jim Harrison's 'The Road Home'
On deck, due to recs herein: Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:45:14 -0400
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: | NEW ||| | || not so new ||| || | ||
Greetings Zornlist!
I am back from my brief hiatus between jobs.
I am delighted to be back in touch with this
musical discussion group again.
I recently puchased Allen Ginsberg, The Lion For Real, a spoken word album
featuring many illustrious downtowners as musical backup. I am looking for
good spoken word, good being where the music and the words interact.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
JT
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 10:46:26 EDT
From: "M.Ho" <mus4mth@atlas.VCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: | NEW ||| | || not so new ||| || | ||
> I am looking for
> good spoken word, good being where the music and the words interact.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
There is a great album that Ornette Coleman's X-wife put out and it
also has his son Denardo on drums. Her name is Jane Cortez and it is
wonderful stuff.
- -Mary
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:48:04 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: re: European/Modern bankruptcy
Regarding Tom Pratt and
>Do these artists hold any regard for innovation? (You don't exactly make
this clear)
Innovation is a slippery term. At one extreme is an artist (whose name
escapes me), who simply paint copies of Modrian paintings for exhibition (I
think I'm remembering this right). Although this seems a little extreme to
me, her "recontextualizing" was all the rage a few years back. But it's a
short step from that to Hip hop mixers or John Oswald, and then on to people
like Zorn who at least write something new in the style of ...
Regarding the anti-academic stance of Cbwdeluxe and Charles Jacobus, there's
not really much I can say. One of the advantages of living in this time and
place is that we have many choices to pick from for our world view. If you
two choose to pick a different one than mine, it's unlikely that I can
change your mind. Questions such as "Who is heading this agenda?" display a
take on philosophy that reveals to me such a gulf between our attitudes that
even if I suggested reading books by say Thomas McEvilley it's doubtful that
you would find them "credible." As an aside I'd like to clarify that I'm
well aware that the term began in architecture where it had a vastly
different definition than the one that has been popularized in other fields.
Regarding the actual word "bankrupt" perhaps that's a little strong, perhaps
a better expression would be "useless as a guide for the future." That's not
to say that the best of the past won't speak still to some of us, just that
other cultures are not simply other "styles" to be mined for exotica. They
are whole different ways of understanding everything, and by taking
advantage of them we escape the limits of the anglo-european culture.
Personally, to those of you that consider this academic there's not a whole
lot I can say. I consider it to be the most valuable thing human beings can do.
>I would suggest that
>what people like Dvorak, Mahler, Ives, Ayler (and now
>Zorn) did is fundamentally the same - they made music!
If this was the level of sophistication to our conversation, then we don't
really need a Zorn list do we?
yours in multi-cultural zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:13:09 EDT
From: Cbwdeluxe1@aol.com
Subject: re: European/Modern bankruptcy
i hardly think it can be said that charles & myself (patrice threw one out
too) are anti-acedemic. especially when that is being based on the fact that
we cried bullshit when it was said European&Modern theory were bankrupt. the
fact is, that is simply not true, and often IS a cheap ploy used by people
trying to eek out a living or credibility in the acedemic world.
you mentioned architecture as the origin post-modernism, which is interesting
(although untrue, i think that would be literature) because the late nineties
have been marked by a great return to modernism by architects who reliaze
there wasn't actually a lot to learn from las vegas. people who figured out
that the shock of the new is often just a cheap thrill.
clint
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:53:58 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: European/Modern bankruptcy
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:13:09 EDT Cbwdeluxe1@aol.com wrote:
>
> i hardly think it can be said that charles & myself (patrice threw one out
> too) are anti-acedemic. especially when that is being based on the fact that
> we cried bullshit when it was said European&Modern theory were bankrupt. the
> fact is, that is simply not true, and often IS a cheap ploy used by people
> trying to eek out a living or credibility in the acedemic world.
>
> you mentioned architecture as the origin post-modernism, which is interesting
> (although untrue, i think that would be literature) because the late nineties
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, this also puzzled me. Post-modernism finds its roots in the writings of
a few French thinkers of the '60s and '70s (which are taken, in France, with the
grain of salt they deserve). They were mainly active in human science studies.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:04:10 EDT
From: SRus721639@aol.com
Subject: Swaps
I have the following items for exchange, please email me privately if you are
interested in anything.
By way of swaps I'd be particularly interested in music concrete recordings
and Merzbow's 1930.
Violent Onsen Geisha: Que Sera Sera, Por Supesto Records
Universal Congress of...: The Eleventh Hour Shine On, Enemy
LA 1919: Jouer, Spielen, To Play, Materiali Sonori
Tetsuo Inoue, Psycho-Acoustic, Tzadik
Bang on A Can: Industry, Sony Classical
Alan Licht/Keiji Haino; Gerry Miles, Atavistic
Haco: Haco, ReR
Borbetomagus; Experience the Magic, Agaric
Bob Ostertag, Attention Span, RecRec
Peril: Peril, Survival
Scott Russell
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Tyner
Sean (and others)
re: Tyner's LP Horizon
recorded April 1979 featuring:
Tyner (piano), John Blake (violin), Joe Ford (fl,ss,as); George Adams
(fl,ts), Charles Fambrough (b); Al Foster (d) and Guilherme Franco (con.
perc)
The connection here is that John Blake was once part of a violin section
on an Archie Shepp release with Leroy Jenkins. And through his AACM
connection Jenkins has played with trombonist George Lewis. And Lewis has
played and recorded with Zorn, most notably on Yankees with the two and
Derek Bailey, who probably doesn't know who Kevin Bacon is, or even care.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:17:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Spoken Word
IMHO the two "best" jazz& spoken word intersections occupy one track each
on otherwise all instrumental albums. LeRoi Jones (now Amira Baraka)
reading "Black Dada Nihilismus" on the New York Art Quartet ESP Disk and
"Scenes In The City" read by actor Melvin Stewart but written by Charles
Mingus for his Bethlehem session which was originally called something
like "An Exploration of Jazz and Poetry by Charles Mingus".
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Jason Tors wrote:
>
> I recently puchased Allen Ginsberg, The Lion For Real, a spoken word album
> featuring many illustrious downtowners as musical backup. I am looking for
> good spoken word, good being where the music and the words interact.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> JT
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: { brad brace } <bbrace@wired.com>
Subject: Bell
Listening to the Bell (Yikes Records), 2 CD set, recorded at The Bell
Cafe, NYC, Spring 1998 -- like it! -- sort of Lazwell-like with a East
Indian twinge (?)
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- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:36:44 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Bell
{ brad brace } wrote:
> Listening to the Bell (Yikes Records), 2 CD set, recorded at The Bell
> Cafe, NYC, Spring 1998 -- like it! -- sort of Lazwell-like with a East
> Indian twinge (?)
Hmmm. Anyone have any more information on this one? How about the upcoming
Django Bates on screwgun?
- -Sean
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 13:57:49 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Spoken Word/Process Music
My first thought on Jason's query was of that most integrated of
spoken word/music pieces, Lucier's "I Am Sitting In A Room" (where the
spoken word, through the interaction with tape recorder and room,
actually creates the music), though I'm not sure that's what he was
after. But it got me thinking about examples of what I would call
'process music', which I'd define as the instigator (composer, if you
will) setting up initial conditions or potentialities and then
"flipping a switch" setting the process in motion and observing,
hopefully enjoying, the results with minimal subsequent interference.
Ideally, the process begins as a fairly discrete, apparently simple
situation and evolves into a complex one in ways the instigator either
could not have predicted or could only have guessed at generally. The
driving cause behind this might be simply "to hear what happens
when...". Some might complain that this straddles the line between art
and science experiment but, personally, that doesn't bother me a bit.
Some well known examples might be:
1)Reich's early tape pieces (and, by extension, the complex rhythms
generated in work like "Drumming")
2)Eno's 'Discrete Music' and 'Music for Airports' (whose written
descriptions of these works comes closest to what I'm talking about)
3)Much of Lucier's work
4)Even Bryar's "Jesus' Blood..." seems to me to be somewhat in this
vein, though he, as composer, "fiddles" with it to a great degree.
I'm sure there are many others I'm either not thinking of or haven't
heard (I don't think 'Cobra' or JZ's other game pieces qualify, as
there's too much directional input from both the prompter and
musicians--I don't suppose anyone's tried to program Cobra's
strategies into computer-generated instruments a la Teitelbaum or
Lewis and let them have a go at it themselves, have they? Now, there's
an idea!). I know composer Phil Kline has done work in this type of
arena; anyone who heard his 'Whole Lotta' at the Bang on a Can
marathon a couple years back where he essentially pulled a Lucier with
a fragment of the Led Zep tune, multi-recorded on ten or twelve
boomboxes and "ambientized" by the room, experienced quite a treat.
Any others?
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 13:23:15 -0800
From: Rusty Crump <rusty@steno.com>
Subject: Nov. 8 SF show
I'll be in SF on November 8th for the Masada show, and am wondering if
any of the Bay Area Zornlisters have any plans to get together on the day
of the show. I recently moved to Redding, CA from Oxford, MS, and will be
in SF for the first time since a one-day jaunt when I was ten years old.
Aside from the Masada gig, I'm hoping to find some Vietnamese food -- I
never thought of Memphis as much of a stronghold of Vietnamese cookery,
but Redding, Chico, and I think Sacramento, have nothing of the sort.
Bummer! I'm jonesin for some pho!
Anyway, it might be interesting if a bunch of zornlisters got together,
as long as it doesn't turn into "my cd collection can beat up your cd
collection."
Rusty Crump
Wherethehellami, California
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