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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #432
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Zorn List Digest Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 432
In this issue:
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shelley hirsch
Re: Marclay
about Norman Yamada's THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG...
Thomas Chapin's Death
Re: Thomas Chapin's Death
Re:Shelley Hirsch
Selling again......:-)
graewe+houle+leandre=?
Re: naked city video
Re: naked city video
Re: naked city video
Re: naked city video
Re: naked city video
Mori+Coleman+Lindsay+Ribot+Kang
Bloodcount
NAKED CITY DISCS
Re: naked city video
naked city
Comma to perform with Baltimore's John Berndt
praxis-metatron
relatively cheap stuff
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:04:59 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: shelley hirsch
Matthew Ross Davis:
Matthew> I'm particularly interested in finding out more about
Matthew> Shelley Hirsch; anyone have any clues as to what her
Matthew> other projects are?
Joseph Zitt mentioned her collaboration with David Weinstein, but
today, as I'm blissfully ignoring my colleages, listening to the first
Filmworks on headphones, and there's this lovely ethereal voice in the
last set of pieces (She Must Be Seeing Things). I reach to the cover
to see who it is, and lo and behold it's Shelley Hirsch. And that
reminds me that she has a track on the Burt Bacharach tribute album as
well.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:08:28 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: Marclay
I've seen at least one of his installations here in New York at the Whitney a few years ago. It was a tape spool unwinding onto
floor into a big pile.
As for future activities, here's an interview excerpt:
Otomo Yoshihide is someone I'm working with right now on a collaboration for Asphodel. He's
an interesting DJ and really knows how to improvise with the records. He has great energy. Then
there is the New York illbient scene with DJs like Olive, The Audio Janitor, and Toshio Kajiwara.
They're always telling me about other kids doing interesting things and I'm just discovering new
things through them. I've collaborated with Toshio and Olive in group improvisations. The other
project I'm releasing with Asphodel is a compilation of live recordings that I've done over the last
year with some of these younger DJ's. These are live performances. It's not a solo project -- when
you think DJs, you think of them as solo artists with big egos. But if the turntable is really an
instrument then why not have a band and play the instrument in combination with others. To react to
sounds that don't come out of your own records, that's the ultimate challenge for a DJ. I've been
trying for many years now to push this notion of the DJ as a band member, and I have been
interested in groups of DJ's improvising together like a jazz band. So this record will be really
featuring the instrument as a collaborative tool. It's hard to tell who's doing what when you're listening
to these recordings. There's certain stylistics particular to each DJ, but when you hear a skipping
loop, you think 'who's doing it' but who cares really? The result is a real collaborative effort and you
have to listen to all these sounds democratically.
The whole thing's up at http://www.furious.com/perfect/christianmarclay.html
Jason
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
- -
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:40:29 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: about Norman Yamada's THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG...
I found mention of the following record in the liner notes of Norman
Yamada's last one (BEING AND TIME, on Tzadik):
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG NASHVILLIANS: Norman Yamada
???? - Kattywampus (???), ??? (??)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody know about it? I would specially like to know:
- when was it released?
- what is the label (never heard of it)?
- who is playing on the record?
- catalog number?
Thanks,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:59:48 PDT
From: "John Dikeman" <shangohammy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Thomas Chapin's Death
Anybody know exactly how and when Thomas Chapin died?
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:00:00 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Thomas Chapin's Death
John Dikeman wrote:
>
> Anybody know exactly how and when Thomas Chapin died?
Leukemia, on Feb. 14.
James Hale
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:09:41 EDT
From: <Nastifyer@aol.com>
Subject: Re:Shelley Hirsch
I'm sure anybody has yet mentioned the Butch Morris record "Homeing" where
Hirsch is prominantly featured. I think it's on sound aspects. It's been a
while since I've listened to it but I remember enjoying it quite a bit.
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:08:47 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Selling again......:-)
Fellow Zornophiles,
For those of you that have been patronizing my CD sale lists (and anyone else
for that matter), I've recently added quite a few items. Email me for the
latest version of the list.
Thanks in advance!
Dale.
- -
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:44:47 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: graewe+houle+leandre=?
I seem to hear a lot of talk on this list about Joelle Leandre and
Francois Houle, both of whom I intend to check out. But how about the
below release w/my man Georg Graewe?
LIVE AT BANLIEUES BLEUES
Joδlle LΘandre, bass, voice; Georg Graewe, piano; Franτois Houle,
clarinet.
Bei-spiel (05.42), Halos (02.57), From limbo (02.53), Aizi (03.22),
DΘmonique (01.26), Qalam (04.29), Such as it is (03.15), Shekinah
(03.39), Let the thus be (04.00), Anaphora (03.57), Cracks and clouds
(02.54), LumiΦre irrΘparable de l'aurore (08.09), Aizimen (05.02).
Recorded at Banlieues Bleues, Paris on 11 April 1996.
Haven't heard it, haven't heard anything about it...but wow! The
firepower. Anyone heard it?
- --scott
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:59:00 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
I just received a copy of the Naked City Marquee Club video. It's
available for $25 + $5 shipping (unless you happen to be in Chicago)
from:
VideoBeat Music Videos
2616 N Clark Street
Chicago, IL 60614
773-871-6667 FAX: 773-872-1482
VideoBeat@aol.com
(They also have a Web page, but I've misplaced the URL.)
They have quite a collection, and I got it within 6 days of wandering
into the store and asking about it.
Scott Handley wrote:
>
> Thanks to patrice, this info has been on the web for a while (check the
> videography at the end of his goliathan JZ mediography):
>
> NAKED CITY AT THE MARQUEE CLUB, NYC: 4/9/92 - 120 min. video - 9 (filmed
> right after RADIO session)
- --
- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:02:38 EDT
From: <IOUaLive1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
In a message dated 8/8/98 12:02:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jzitt@humansystems.com writes:
> I just received a copy of the Naked City Marquee Club video. It's
> available for $25 + $5 shipping (unless you happen to be in Chicago)
> from:
>
> VideoBeat Music Videos
> 2616 N Clark Street
> Chicago, IL 60614
> 773-871-6667 FAX: 773-872-1482
> VideoBeat@aol.com
> (They also have a Web page, but I've misplaced the URL.)
What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged,
audience shot video. That Marquee show was also professionally shot, and
aired on Japanese TV, but it was only about an hours worth, and I bet this
place is selling 120 minutes of the audience shot video (like that place in MA
was doing). The whole show was about 150 minutes. Anyways, this is bad
news!!! Stay away from this place!
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:16:55 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
In a message dated 98-08-08 16:06:24 EDT, IOUaLive1@aol.com writes:
<< What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged,
audience shot video. >>
This is an area I'm very familiar with but not involved in - $25 is the going
rate for any bootlegged video. Its a buyer-driven market, just like bootleg
audio. If people want it, and its available, they'll buy it.
Dale.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:32:54 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
> What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged,
> audience shot video. That Marquee show was also professionally shot, and
> aired on Japanese TV, but it was only about an hours worth, and I bet this
> place is selling 120 minutes of the audience shot video (like that place in MA
> was doing). The whole show was about 150 minutes. Anyways, this is bad
> news!!! Stay away from this place!
I've only watched the first half hour of it (which, if I guess correctly)
is a performance of Leng T'che. I was wondering what was with the other
cameraman seen occasionally on stage.
So: if the professional video is so much better, and if we should stay
away from what appears to be the only other video document of the band
in action, including 90 minutes (yes, it's 150 minutes of video) that
the professional video omits -- please tell us how we might be able to
see the supposedly superior version.
- --
- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:35:07 EDT
From: <IOUaLive1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
A few years ago, I too would have dropped 25 bucks for this video. People
will obviously spend the money. But I was just letting people know that this
is an audience shot video and not professionally done (the place selling it
may neglect to mention that in their catalog...). My point was- try and find
it somewhere else, find someone who will trade you a copy for free. And if
you search hard enough you can also get a copy of the pro-shot version.
Believe me, if I had the time I'd make copies of this for everyone that wanted
one. So search around first, but if all else fails and 25$ seems like a
bargain to you, then by all means buy it.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:28:14 +0200
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Mori+Coleman+Lindsay+Ribot+Kang
WOW! Last night I witnessed to one of the most amazing shows since Zorn
brought Masada to Portugal.
Opening was Carlos Zingaro (violin) with Gunther Mⁿller (percussion), Otomo
Yoshinide (turntables and guitar) and another portuguses Emidio Buchinho
(guitar). They were great, specially Yoshinide and Mⁿller, who kept making
these weird sounds. I strongly suggest them.
Oval was interesting, and the guy was on stage only for about half an hour
so it didn't get too annoying.
Then came the ones I was hoping for - Ikue Mori, Anthony Coleman, Marc
Ribot, Eyvind Kang and Arto Lindsay, all together. They were a little
uninspired at first, and there were some stupid people booing their sounds,
but then they showed what they were really made off. Ikue Mori was very
peacefull and serene. Is she always like that when playing live? Kang and
Ribot were always twisting in their chairs. Lindsay had this look like he
was having the time of his life and Coleman I couldn't see because of the
seat I was in, but his playing was awe inspiring (specially his solo with
piano, organ and effects). All in all it was a great show and the crowd
ended up crying for two encores.
BTW, I reccomend the following portuguese artists and guarantee their
quality: Carlos Zingaro (whom I spoke off above) and Nuno Rebelo (a
guitarrist who makes wonderful experimental music to acompany contemporary
dancing).
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: jascha <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Bloodcount
The other day i was listening to the Bloodcount 3cd set at a store, and my
random samplings of the three discs landed me at the first song of the
'average daze' disc, 'loose ends'. EGAD! I've never quite heard anything
like it. The stuff on the other discs didn't strike as being
transcendentally cool as that song did, so i'm wondering: i'm too short of
cash to go around buying 3cd sets because of one song, but i could afford
to send a blank tape and a SASE to some kind Bloodcount fan who could
maybe copy that song for me, and perhapse a sampling of other
transcendentally cool tracks from the other CDs so that i might later go
and buy one of my very own (...see, it's not copywrite violation, it's
advertising...).
What are the other albums like, anyway? The long, long tracks on the
other discs of the set were good, but wouldn't be something i'd listen to
over and over again. any more stuff along the lines of 'loose ends'?
To my faceless, tape-making e-friend, whoever you are -
thanks!,
-jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:37:56 EDT
From: <DEANER76@aol.com>
Subject: NAKED CITY DISCS
hello friends abroad. i am interested in naked city. i own the self-titled
album and abstinthe and bought radio today. now everyone i've talked to
doesn't really think highly of radio, and i want to know why. i think it's an
excellent disc, which is certainly better than abstinthe. it's quite
interesting. there is some really funky shit on hear, and the eye screaming is
somewhat tolerable. so i wanna hear it. what is the problem everyone has with
this album?and if you like it, then support it like i have.
also i'd love to hear some reviews/synopsis' of grand guignol and heretic.
i've heard some of the classical stuff from gg and i like it. oh and also what
is this radio v. 2 thing? the FAQ says it's never been released or anything,
or even recorded, but i'd like to know some more.
thanx
alex
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:08:27 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
Good points. If I can find the professional video around at a
non-pain-inducing price, I'll definitely grab it, my interest having
been piqued by the bootleg.
I hadn't found either around before, and the bootleg seemed worth the
$25 gamble when I stumbled across it. Others' mileage may vary.
(BTW, who is the long-haired guy who was trading screams with Y.Eye?)
IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
>
> A few years ago, I too would have dropped 25 bucks for this video. People
> will obviously spend the money. But I was just letting people know that this
> is an audience shot video and not professionally done (the place selling it
> may neglect to mention that in their catalog...). My point was- try and find
> it somewhere else, find someone who will trade you a copy for free. And if
> you search hard enough you can also get a copy of the pro-shot version.
> Believe me, if I had the time I'd make copies of this for everyone that wanted
> one. So search around first, but if all else fails and 25$ seems like a
> bargain to you, then by all means buy it.
>
> -
- --
- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:16:14 EDT
From: <Sulacco@aol.com>
Subject: naked city
>(BTW, who is the long-haired guy who was trading screams with Y.Eye?)
kevin sharp from brutal truth
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:24:32 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Comma to perform with Baltimore's John Berndt
Comma, of which I am a third (along with Tom Bickley and Joe Zitt), is
performing this Saturday for those who are interested:
Saturday, August 15: Brend and Bend
with John Berndt, saxophone, self-built instruments and electronics
8:00 PM, $5
Ruthless Grip Art Project
1508 U Street, NW
Washington, DC 20009
The evening will consist of mostly free improvisation with some structure=
d
improv thrown in. Comma will perform a few pieces from their repertory,
followed by a solo by John Berndt, then concluding with all four in
simultaneous/synchronous music making.
I hope those who can will come! It's our last concert at Ruthless Grip th=
is
summer. The final concert of the Comma:summer::new:music series will be o=
n
September 19th, "Masses of Time, Cycles of Light: Stockhausen at 70" at t=
he
University of Maryland and will feature a portion of "Tierkreis" along wi=
th
selections from "Aus den Sieben Tagen" and "F=FCr Kommende Zeiten."
More information about Comma:summer::new:music can be found on our web
pages at http://www.artswire.org/comma/csnm
On another note, the three members of Comma will be featured Monday eveni=
ng
(that's August 10) on live radio, WMUC FM, 88.1 in the College Park, MD
area. WMUC is also available via the Internet and RealAudio, so go to
http://www.wmuc.umd.edu and follow the links to the RealAudio page and tu=
ne
us in!
Contact me if you need directions to Ruthless Grip!
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:43:31 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: praxis-metatron
i have a copy of praxis "metatron" on cd. i am lookin to trade this for
another cd. if anybody is interested please respond privately. thanks
jason
jtalbot@massart.edu
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:25:34 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: relatively cheap stuff
I hope nobody gets annoyed by this, but for those who haven't noticed,
CDNow is concurrently having a sale and discount, which ends tomorrow. I
just thought it'd be relevant because I picked up (on backorder, of
course) a couple Winter & Winter releases and Towering Inferno's
KADDISH. The W&W "jazz" stuff is $13. And if you fiddle around and go
to "IMUSIC.com" you can get a $10 discount. This expires tomorrow.
I am in no way connected to CDNow, but I now we could all save coins. If
this is spam, correct me, and apologies.
- --scott
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