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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #206
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Zorn List Digest Monday, January 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 206
In this issue:
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Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
Ellington
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
Ellington
Re: frisell
Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th
Naked City Reunion (relax, it's a joke) [was Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th]
Best of the Year . . .
Pillow Book
Re: Loft Sessions
Re: Loft Sessions
Re: Re: Loft Sessions
Re: Frisell's New Album
Re: Jim Keltner
Best of 97
Laswell Discography
Re: Re: Loft Sessions
Re: frisell
Re: frisell
Fw: frisell
Re: Fw: frisell
Re: frisell
Re: Discs of the year
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:54:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Ash <ash157@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name
of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released? Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:47:31 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Ellington
As Gerard mentioned, one cannot get into Duke without knowing the 30s.
The place to start is the RCA 3 cd set "The Blanton-Webster Years."
IMHO, the best Duke EVER is the Fargo 1940 set on VJC, which is
unfortunately out of print. The RCA set is a close second. If you want
to work backwards, try Such Sweet Thunder, At Newport,Great Paris
Concert, And His Mother Called Him Bill, Recollections of the Big Band
Era or any of the Private Collection series. All of these are later
period from '56 on.
Basically, it's hard to buy an Ellington that isn't great!
Alan
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:47:10 -0500
From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205
>Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name
>of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released? Thanks.
>
"Gone, Just Like a Train"
January 6, 1998
Ashley
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:25:56 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Ellington
David Slusser mentioned it, and I'd like to second Duke's 'New Orleans
Suite' from 1970. Just an astounding record, one that, IMHO, doesn't get
nearly enough mention. One of my ten favorite records ever. I'm still
waiting for a contemporary large ensemble to have a go at the ideas
therein.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:04:16 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: frisell
Glenn Astarita wrote:
> ----------
> > > snip> >>
> >
> So, I'll leave Frisell and McLaughlin
> > to other ears and follow Alan to Joe Morris who captivates me
> intensely.
> > But, it is off-base to think my gooseflesh barometer a measure of
> the
> > artist's worth, value or integrity.
> >
> > s~Z
> >
> >
> > -
> > Morris is worth checking out...*.Matthew Shipp and Morris create
> lots of
> synergy ! Speaking of dazzling guitarists i recommend James Emery's
> latest
> on Enja which features Gerry Hemmingway, Mike Formanek and Marty
> Ehrlich..... Sorry, i don't have the title in front of me...
>
> glenn
>
Agreed, Standing on a Whale...is a great album. However, I was
referring to Joe Morris as a guitarist whose style is challenging in the
way Cecil Taylor challenges as a pianist. Take one part Ornette era
Blood Ulmer, one part Derek Bailey, a pinch of McLaughlin and you might
be close to Morris. His "Elsewhere" with Matthew Shipp is very
adventurous, as is "You Be Me' with Mat Maneri.
But, Emery's cd is not to be missed. I put it on my top ten for 1997.
Of course the band is a bunch of ringers, so it's almost not fair. How
can you go wrong with Hemingway, Ehrlich, and Formanek.
Treat yourself, buy the Emery AND a Joe Morris. Oh yes, buy the
Frisell, too.
Alan
> -
- -
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:55:35 EST
From: IOUaLive1 <IOUaLive1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th
In a message dated 98-01-08 21:23:20 EST, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
> I think the break is really going to be visible in New York on the 17th,
> when Bill plays the Bottom Line with Krauss and Keltner while his former
> fellow travellers Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Sharp are raising a ruckus at
> the Knit. I wonder what impact this booking coincidence will have on the
> potential audience for each? For those who are into both sides of the
> split, BTW, it'll be easy enough to catch the Quartet at the Knit and then
> attend the late set by Frisell
Yes, but then you would have to miss the late solo set by Frith downstairs at
the Knit! But I guess I could see Frith the night before.. it's interesting
that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened
in a while. A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours
jazz club would be nice.. actually 5/5 of Naked City will be playing that
night- I remembered that tape I have with Bobby Previte filling in for Joey!!
Old Frisell fans will probably always complain about his newest releases. I
can sympathise. I love Nasville and the Michael White duo disc, but have to
admit, they dont resonate that certain chakra.
- -Jody
- -
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:59:00 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Naked City Reunion (relax, it's a joke) [was Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th]
IOUaLive1 wrote:
> it's interesting
> that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened
> in a while. A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours
> jazz club would be nice..
Sigh... puts me in mind of those unannounced club jams that Prince always seems to
play after his big shows. Joey lives in midtown and is most likely home as
well... I can see it now: "Naked City reunites at 1 A.M. in the Old Office in a
command performance of 'Torture Garden' for Vaclav Havel and Madeleine Albright...
Yamataka Eye's parts performed by Herb Robertson..." (He could do it, too.)
"Follow your dreams, you can achieve your goals, I'm living proof. Beefcake!
Beefcake!" - Eric Cartman
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:17 -0500
From: Cathy McBratney <catherine.mcbratney@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Best of the Year . . .
1.Skydiggers-Desmonds Hip City
2.Reuben James-So You Wanna Be A Gunfighter
3.Mel Torme-Right Now Remaster
4.Weeping Tile-Valentino
5.Galaxie 500 Box
6.Frissell-Nashville
7.Paul Weller-Heavy Soul
8.Zorn-Masada VII
9.The Jam Box
10.Miles Davis-Live Evil Remaster
P.S.Anybody know any chaotic/exciting/real audio radio web sites??
skIp
"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew
I was onto something."
Ornette Coleman
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:03:52 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Pillow Book
I saw mention of "The Pillow Book" soundtrack on someone's "best of" list.
I've been searching for this ever since I saw the film (which I highly
recommend, along with any other Peter Greenaway film).
Can someone fill me in on the label? Cat #?
Thanks-
Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:52:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Loft Sessions
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Glenn Astarita wrote:
> Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player. 7
Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it
down on CD (how many discs is it?)!
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:35:46 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Loft Sessions
- ----------
>>
> > Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player.
7
>
> Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it
> down on CD (how many discs is it?)!
1 disk ! Believe it or not i bought it via Columbia House who now carry
Douglas Records ie: ASANA, Woodstock Creative Jazz Festival I&II, Praxis
Live, etc.....
>
>
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:12:27 EST
From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Loft Sessions
In a message dated 1/10/98 4:04:58 PM, gastarit@comm.net wrote:
<<> Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it
> down on CD (how many discs is it?)!
1 disk ! >>
Just to clarify, this is a compilation from the Wildflowers discs. The
original LPs have been rereleased on three individual CDs, but I think they're
pretty hard to track down.
In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the
expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown,
Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic document
of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz.
Jon
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:32:50 -0500
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
After giving Gone, Just Like a Train top priority for a few days, my
opinion on it has changed a little bit. I still think the album is an
attempt to make Frisell more marketable, but it really is a fantastic
album. Viktor Kraus really blows me away, he has such a raw groove. In
addition, a few of the songs are breathtaking. I've been listening to
Verona and Girls Asks Boy (part 1) almost nonstop. However, I still don't
hear anything that new on this album. I guess I expected Bill to really
be stretching himself more after Quartet and Nashville, which were both
such interesting explorations of his composing and playing abilities.
Jamie
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:06:01 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner
At 03:30 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>This opinion is easily demonstrated in Keltner's playing with Ry Cooder and
>Jon Hassell on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's "Trespass" (though I
>understand that we're not supposed to listen to that since it's not the
>soundtrack by Our Patron Saint...).
I wanted to add a late (been busy recently) comment on this thread.
First of all, Keltner is extremely good, and I would have used _Trespass_
as an example.
But the bigger point, and maybe this isn't well understood from the outside
looking in, has to do with the rather insulting view of musicians who don't
stay in the "avant-garde" mode all the time, which appeared somewhere
earlier in this thread. Musicians may have families, they may enjoy
multiple types of musics, and they may even not have the opportunity to
play with people they would like to play with. Many of them just want to
play as much as possible. Keltner has played some very interesting stuff,
mostly with Cooder, but also with John Cale (unreleased I think) and a
bunch of other people.
It's worth pointing out that one of the regulars in Laswell's studio also
plays with Michael Jackson and Vanessa Williams. And that J.T. Lewis, one
fucking fiery drummer on Henry Threadgill's release of last year, played
with Donna Summer fairly recently. (I might add that I happen to like
Donna Summer's classic work with Giorgio Moroder, and also that, having met
her, she is as beautiful as the covers make her look, and a very nice
person too.)
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:49:26 -0300
From: "cmurat" <cmurat@rcc.com.AR>
Subject: Best of 97
Here┤s my list:
John Zorn: Duras-Duchamp
Ivo Perelman: En Adir: Traditional Jewish Songs
Tim Berne: Unwound
Henry Threadgill: Where┤s your cup?
John Cale: Eat/Kiss- Music for the film of Andy Warhol
Varios: Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach
Luis A. Spinetta y los Socios del Desierto
Wheeler/Konitz/Holland/Frisell: Angel Song
Kronos Quartet: Early Music
Anthony Braxton Quartet: (Santa Cruz) 1993
Jean Derome: La Bete (Beast the within)
Reissues:
John Zorn; Cinical Histerie Hour
John Zorn: Black Box
Miles Davis: Live Evil . Black Beauty - Dark Magus - Live at the Philharmonic -
At Fillmore
John Coltrane: The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings
- -
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:51:58 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Laswell Discography
For anyone interested, I finally got my Bill Laswell Discography up and
running. It's far from complete, and far from pretty for that matter!
Please let me know if anyone has any information on the albums that I am
missing info on. Thanks.
SW
silent_watcher@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:10:57 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Loft Sessions
- ----------
>> In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the
> expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown,
> Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic
document
> of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz.
>
> Jon
>
> -
> I don't have the original Wildflower lp's but the the stuff on this cd is
excellent !
glenn
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: frisell
>
> I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as
> they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these
Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
which one we tap out foot to more...
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:59:06 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: frisell
>Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
>accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
>which one we tap out foot to more...
>
>-jascha
Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love
music from each of those camps.
s~Z
- -
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:53:20 -0000
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: Fw: frisell
>>>Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
>>>accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
>>>which one we tap out foot to more...
>>>
>>>-jascha
>>
>>
>>Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love
>>music from each of those camps.
>>
>>s~Z
>>
>>
>
>
on those two notes (sorry, no pun intended) I think that anyone who's
"fretting" (ugh, now there's a nasty pun) that Frisell is becoming more
accessible needs to listen with a different set of ears
I attended the first show on this past Friday night at McCabe's Guitar Shop
in Santa Monica CA with a friend whose tastes are definitely slanted heavily
towards kinder, gentler music (folksy, acoustic stuff which is typical
McCabe's fare and highly atypical of this list)
his post gig comment was surprise as to how "out there" a lot of the music
(and Frisell's playing) was
personally, I thought the show a bit restrained and dare I say it, tame (but
then again, my aural diet lately has consisted of large doses of Bloodcount,
Gerry Hemingway, and Dave Douglas "Sanctuary")
nevertheless, we both loved the show and thought it well worth braving the
stormy weather and consequent traffic (I live in Orange County...sorry for
the geographical tangent but I know some of you will understand)
and never having seen Frisell play live (except for on the telly) that alone
was enough to ensure my satisfaction
btw, the only tune I recognized was "Egg Radio" (from QUARTET) so I'll
assume that the bulk of the set was from the new disc (Frisell doesn't talk
much so most of the tunes were unidentified)
in that case GONE, LIKE A TRAIN should be heavier than NASHVILLE but way
more mainstream than the recordings with Driscoll and Baron
perhaps comparable to some of the music on the Michael Shrive FASCINATION cd
(w/Horvitz/Frisell) ?
anyway, I personally would be interested in the opinions of anyone who
attends the Bottom Line show next weekend
as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild
reformation...
ajh
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:16:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: frisell
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, allen j huotari wrote:
> as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild
> reformation...
Whatever happened to them? I have one record of theirs, which I got back
in 1989, but have never heard of them since or run across anyone else who
had.
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:53:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: frisell
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> >
> > I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as
> > they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these
>
> Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more
> accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see
> which one we tap out foot to more...
Time to introduce the notion of "a record we put back on the turntable",
as opposed to the "record you should own at any price, but never listen to".
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:14:36 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Discs of the year
Hi!
I've been lurking for quite a while without posting, but I'd like to throw in
some favorites of 1997 as well (in no particular order):
Elixir: Hegalien Zone
Material: Seven Souls
Easy Tempo Vol. 3
David Bowie: Earthling
Oscillations Remixes
Bill Laswell meets Style Scott inna Dub Meltdown
Two major disappointments:
Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter: 1+1
- It's intense, beautiful, but thoroughly boring. It's missing the spark
that the concert had.
Julian Priester/Sam Rivers: Hints on Light and Shadow
- I was expecting something along the lines of Priester's earlier albums,
especially "Love, Love" (when will they reissue it?). Honestly, I don't
want to hear Priester play avantgarde (there's nothing wrong about
avantgarde, I love Frith, Zorn, etc., but, you know...) Any opinions?
The following CDs aren't new, but I bought them in 1997 and listened to them
quite a lot:
Axiom Dub: Mysteries Of Creation
APC Tracks Vol. 1
everything by The Golden Palominos
Valis I: Destruction Of Syntax
Praxis: Transmutation / Metatron
Funkadelic: One Nation Under A Groove
Jah Wobble: Heaven & Earth
Material: Temporary Music (1979-1981) / Hallucination Engine
Robert Musso: Active Resonance
Divination: Ambient Dub Volume I
Axiom Funk: Funkcronomicon
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