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zorn-list Digest          Friday, 20 December 1996      Volume 02 : Number 043

In this issue:

    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42
    Re: David Shea Shows?
    Locus Solus Question
    Re: David Shea
    Re: David Shea Shows?
    Re: Locus Solus Question
    Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD
    jim o'rourke
    Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD
    MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II
    Re: jim o'rourke
    Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II
    Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II
    Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II
    Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42
    Misc comments
    Re: Misc comments
    Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....
    bloodclot?
    Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....
    Re: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....

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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:36:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42

My two cents' worth on Bloodcount. I find myself somewhere between the
underwhelmed and Steve Smith. While I count myself as a "hardcore" Berne
fan, I think the 3 Bloodcount discs released so far on jmt have been
patchy. The version of Hemphill's great suite "Reflections" is sublime,
but some of the stuff on "Memory Select" leaves me a bit cold.
Nonetheless, I agree with Steve that the band is a hot one - Berne, after
all, is always one to watch.  By the way, Steve - did you get a new job at
KFW or are you still with Koch (who distribute KFW)?
Jason Bivins

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From: Bob Boster <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:59:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: David Shea Shows?

On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote:

>     Also kind of a side note. Does anyone know any upcoming shows of David
> Shea's?  Where in nyc does he usually play? ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
>

I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email
address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to
find anyone who has it..

Bob


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From: Matt Moffett <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:14:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Locus Solus Question

I just picked up the Tzadik re-release of _Locus Solus_, and saw in the
liner notes someone named "Whiz Kid" for doing the turntable on the last 8
tracks (recorded sept 1983).  Is this a young David Shea, or is it someone
else entirely?  Just curious...

Matt


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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:06:00 -0800
Subject: Re: David Shea

>I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email
>address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to
>find anyone who has it..

Well, not everyone has e-mail, or?
There's an address on the Tower of Mirrors disc where folks were invited to
write for info about sample sources, etc.  Send sase to:

151 First Ave. #21
NYC, NY 10003

Sorry if that isn't quite what you were after.

Alexander



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:35:18 -0800
Subject: Re: David Shea Shows?

On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:59:52 -0800 (PST)  Bob Boster wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote:
>
> >     Also kind of a side note. Does anyone know any upcoming shows of David
> > Shea's?  Where in nyc does he usually play? ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
> >
>
> I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email
> address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to
> find anyone who has it..

His address is given on one of his last record (TOWER...):

    151 First Ave. #21
    New York City, NY 10003

    Patrice.

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:44:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Locus Solus Question

On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:14:39 -0500 (EST)  Matt Moffett wrote:
>
> I just picked up the Tzadik re-release of _Locus Solus_, and saw in the
> liner notes someone named "Whiz Kid" for doing the turntable on the last 8
> tracks (recorded sept 1983).  Is this a young David Shea, or is it someone
> else entirely?  Just curious...

Somebody completely different. What a record! I like John's statement
about the potential of this music to become popular in a foreseable
future :-). Still fresh and new in 1996 (and for many more years, I
am sure).

    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:56:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD

In a message dated 12/18/96 10:18:11 AM, [e-mail] (Jan-Wen
Lu) wrote:

>Does anyone have the Ween/Boredoms collaboration CD "Z-Rock Hawaii"? I'm
>very curious about it. Thanks!!

Does this actually exist? I remember hearing talk about it a year or two ago
but it's certainly never made its way to NYC as far as I know.

Jon

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From: [e-mail] (david m rothbaum)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:39:07 -0700
Subject: jim o'rourke

i have just purchased his terminal pharmacy and absoluty love it.  what i
was wondering is i have seen many other cds by him including the work which
he has done with illiusion of safty etc.  can anyone recomend some of his
other recordings?  what is his solo guitar work like ect?  any info would
be great.

david

p.s. another question:  does anyone know specifically what kelzmer music
zorn listens to/is inspired by?  meaning the more traditional stuff.



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From: Jan-Wen Lu <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:14:59 +0800
Subject: Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/18/96 10:18:11 AM, [e-mail] (Jan-Wen
> Lu) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have the Ween/Boredoms collaboration CD "Z-Rock Hawaii"? I'm
> >very curious about it. Thanks!!
>
> Does this actually exist? I remember hearing talk about it a year or two ago
> but it's certainly never made its way to NYC as far as I know.
>
> Jon

Of course, it did exist. Released by Nipp Guitar Records, NIPP 12142.
Available from Japan Overseas, AB-CD, CDEurope, etc.
- --
Jan-Wen Lu  E-Mail address: [e-mail]

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:50:50 -0800
Subject: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II

    Does anybody know about:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists

  This record features Maurizio, Bill Laswell, Rome, Rhys Chatham/Martin
  Wheeler, Pin, Him, Zulutronic, Magnet Plug, Mouse On Mars, Tao, Alec Empire,
  Shull, Eardrum, Porter Richs, The Disciples Meet The Rootsman, Gedulah vs
  Cheesecake, Andre Gurov Unit, Prince Paul, Jammin' Unit, Bio Muse, Third Eye
  #               '
  Foundation, Spectre, Ice vs Palace.

    ???? - Virgin (?), ??? (2xCD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-).

Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler?

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:12:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: jim o'rourke

> i have just purchased his terminal pharmacy and absoluty love it.  what i
> was wondering is i have seen many other cds by him including the work which
> he has done with illiusion of safty etc.  can anyone recomend some of his
> other recordings?  what is his solo guitar work like ect?  any info would
> be great.

I have 'remove then need' on the Extreme label.  The man gets sounds out
of guitars that i never knew could come out of guitars...

It's a live recording with no effects (except for slight reverb) and no
overdubbing.  That makes it even more impressive, to me, since i know how
cool any old thing can sound if you puch it through a wall of effects
processors.

Yay for Jim.

- -jascha

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From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:22:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II

On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-).
>
> Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler?

there is an excellent two-part interview
with Chatham in the last two issues of
Dead Angel. he talks about his collab
with Martin as well as the track they did
for this double CD (curated by Kevin Martin).
i think the correct url is:

www.eden.com/zines/deadangel/deadangel.html

hasta. --dk

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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From: Brian/Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:54:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II

On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-).

Um, I've got it, but haven't listened to it yet.  I don't think the music
is dub as we know it (see Macro Dub Infection, Vol. I).  It's more of the
post-rock (I know, it's overused)/weird mixing/unclassifiable style-type
stuff.  Once I listen, I'll post what I know.....

cya
brian



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From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:33:40 -0800
Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II

At 07:50 AM 12/19/96 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>    Does anybody know about:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists
>
>  This record features Maurizio, Bill Laswell, Rome, Rhys Chatham/Martin
>  Wheeler, Pin, Him, Zulutronic, Magnet Plug, Mouse On Mars, Tao, Alec Empire,
>  Shull, Eardrum, Porter Richs, The Disciples Meet The Rootsman, Gedulah vs
>  Cheesecake, Andre Gurov Unit, Prince Paul, Jammin' Unit, Bio Muse, Third Eye
>  #               '
>  Foundation, Spectre, Ice vs Palace.
>
>    ???? - Virgin (?), ??? (2xCD)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-).

It's my favorite track on this comp.  Classic (in the reggae sense) dub this
is not, nor is most of the other stuff (Bill's stuff being a major
exception) but it is fun.

Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications


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From: Howard Shih <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:30:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II

On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

>     Does anybody know about:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists
> Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-).
>
> Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler?

Here's a review I wrote about Ben Neill's Tryptical cd and Chatham &
Wheeler's Neon ep for the last issue of Smug Magazine. The Chatham/Wheeler
track on Macro Dub II is excellent if not better than the material on
Neon. It's basically Chatham playing his distorted trumpet over a
slow dubscape with the occasional burst of jungle snares here and there.

Hope you like the review
- -------
Ben Neill
Triptycal
Antilles

Rhys Chatham & Martin Wheeler
Neon
Ntone/Ninja Tune

    When Miles Davis started playing his trumpet through wah-
wah pedals in the mid 70s many jazz critics thought it was a
desperate attempt to mask Miles' declining trumpet skills and
further commercialize his music. What these close minded purists
failed to realize that Miles was simply using technology to alter his
sound in the same way that early trumpeters used whatever was
lying around (plungers, pitchers, hats, etc.) to distort the trumpet's
innately pure tone. While Dave Douglas and Wynton Marsalis
continue to prove that there's plenty of life in acoustic trumpet
playing, trumpeters like Ben Neill and Rhys Chatham are blending
electronics to continue explore the unknown waters that Miles began
charting some twenty odd years ago.
    Ben Neill's Triptycal  is an oceanic blend of jazz, ambient,
jungle, and world music that provides plenty of sunken treasures for
the listener to uncover. Neill creates his evocative soundscapes with
his muntantrumpet-- a unique instrument of his own design that
mixes  two trumpet bells (one with a mute) with an electronic/midi
output. On a song like the opening "Propeller" you can here Neill play
along with himself as electronic sounds mirror his muted trumpet
tones as a slow funk beat plays in the background. Before long the
funk groove transforms itself into soothing snare rolls that's be right
at home on any one of LTJ Bukem's ambient jungle tunes.  What
makes Triptycal such a remarkable album is the fluid nature of
Neill's music: a song like "Floataion Device" can envelope the listener
in a pleasant underwater environment that makes perfect chill out
music while at the same time providing enough sonic mystery and
detail to engage an active listener.
    Rhys Chatham and Martin Wheeler's Neon  ep is an incredible
collision of Tackhead style funk, Dark Magus  style molten trumpet
playing and the fourth world sounds of Jon Hassell & Brian Eno's
Possible Musics .  On "Charm", the highlight of the more
accessible/dancy A side, Chatham's ferocious trumpet playing is run
through a distortion pedal and sounds like it's summoning the ghost
of Sonny Sharrock to wreak havoc over a heavy funk landscape.
(Chatham's noize aesthetic should come as no surprise as he
originally composed skronk guitar orchestrations at the same time
Glenn Branca did back in the late 70s/early 80s.) The B side features
the introspective "Ramatek":  a subdued number mixing chilled out
wah-wah trumpet  with Indian tablas. (Think of "Black Satin" from On
The Corner  without the funk drumming.)

Ntone/Ninja Tune: P.O. Box 373, Westmount Station, Montreal,
Quebec, Canada  H3Z 2T5 OR email: [e-mail]

Howard Shih
[e-mail]
Cybrarian/Assistant Programmer
Meta 4 Digital Design
Phone: [phone] Ext. 242
FAX:   [phone]



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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:09 WET
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42

Hi, don't know if this will get to a human being or not, but I never
received V2#41. Is there something at my end I need to check out, or do
things get lost occassionally?

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From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:33 WET
Subject: Misc comments

I agree with Keefe regarding Bar Kokhba -the live versions sound better to
me also - more "absorbing?" is that a good word?

Also regarding Berne and Bloodcount, I'm going to have to fall squarely in
the middle. I Very much like his older stuff, but feel that Bloodcount is a
little more "abstract" and harder to "get." However, he's supposed to come
to Ann Arbor in the spring and I wouldn't miss it for anything.

Finally, I've been listening a lot lately to "Rock/Paper/Scissors" by Scott
Johnson (which got slammed in a review somewhere), and I really like it.

Also, to somewhat veer from the noise/jazz thing, Peter Jeffries has a bunch
of new and rereleased discs out now.  For some time the only disc I had by
him was "Electricity" (which I listened to every day for a long time).
Jeffries is a New Zealand singer/multintrumentalist who sings dark songs
over noisy (but not "noise") feedbacky melodies. I think he's fantastic, and
would strongly recommend him to anyone.

- --ds


------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 17:32:17 -0600
Subject: Re: Misc comments

On Thu, 19 Dec 96, dennis summers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I agree with Keefe regarding Bar Kokhba -the live versions sound better to
>me also - more "absorbing?" is that a good word?
>
>Also regarding Berne and Bloodcount, I'm going to have to fall squarely in
>the middle. I Very much like his older stuff, but feel that Bloodcount is a
>little more "abstract" and harder to "get." However, he's supposed to come
>to Ann Arbor in the spring and I wouldn't miss it for anything.
>
>
Listening to Bloodcount demands patience of the listener. Berne averages 2 cuts
per cd. There's a lot goin on here...not easy listening by any means but very
rewarding. Memory Select is the weakest of the bunch (IMO). Starts off real
slow..the 2nd cut is vicious ! The Bloodcount band emphasizes the interplay
between any 2 soloists at a given time. The finale is generally when they all
converge to the climax...Impossible linear riffs, mind boggling improvisation
and extremely intuitive. If I were to recommend a "beginners guide to Berne" I'd
start with his old Black Saint stuff than jump to Caos Totale "Pace
Yourself"..Of course "Diminutive Mysteries" is a classic. The guy (Berne) is
amazing..period ! A force of nature !!!!

Glenn

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From: [e-mail] (David FENECH)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 11:00:02 +0100
Subject: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....

Hello all

Will Connor said about Georges Lewis :

 >
 > Don't forget about his work with Heiner Goebbels on several large scale
 > theatrical oriental musical performances, most of which are released on
 > ECM.  I was recently in Germany and saw where Heiner G. was performing a
 > new play/composition and I was told that George Lewis was also involved.  I
 > will keep an eye out for something new from him and tell the group if it is
 > spotted!
 >
 > I know George Lewis is on Der Man in Dem Fahrstuhl and there is a trombone
 > player on  Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux, but I do not know if it is
 > George Lewis or not.  Both well worth checking out.

I saw "Ou bien le debarquement Desastreux" live in France (Theatre Les
Amandiers, la Courneuve). The guy who played the trombone was a French
musician called YVES ROBERT (yes, just like the film maker ...) . This
trombonist often plays at the "Instant Chavires" club (the french
Knitting Factory, I would say). He also appears on the ECM record of
that play I guess.

In this show, there was also Xavier Garcia on keaboards. He's a
composer from Lyon (France) who does some electroacoustic work. He's
also member of ARFI collective. You can find his records via MetamKine
distribution who is specialized in free impro and acousmatics.

There was a Daxophon player , but it was not Rene Lussier this time.
For those who do not know what is a "daxophon" : it is an instrument
invented by HANS REICHEL which consists in a piece of wood played with
a bow. The sound is changed using a block of wood to modulate the
length of the vibrating part. This is a nice instrument indeed.

bye.

=====================================
David FENECH, musician , one man band
(Please Send tapes and mail art to :)
2, rue Claude Debussy
38100 Grenoble - France
=====================================
E - Mail : [e-mail]
=====================================

PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The
ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!!


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From: hywel davies <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:49:35 -0800
Subject: bloodclot?

if you prefer the earlier Berne stuff(i.e. when there were TUNES!) then
you should like the Andy Laster cds - Hydra (on sound aspects)and a
recent one on Songlines (Polyogue?), with Herb Robertson-tpt. (can't
remember the others at present,sorry!) also check out the wonderful New
and Used cd 'Souvenier' (knitting factory) with Douglas,Feldman,Driscoll
and Rainey - I don't like the later one 'consensus' so much...

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (David FENECH)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 13:56:35 +0100
Subject: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....

Will Connor said about Georges Lewis :

 >
 > Don't forget about his work with Heiner Goebbels on several large scale
 > theatrical oriental musical performances, most of which are released on
 > ECM.  I was recently in Germany and saw where Heiner G. was performing a
 > new play/composition and I was told that George Lewis was also involved.  I
 > will keep an eye out for something new from him and tell the group if it is
 > spotted!
 >
 > I know George Lewis is on Der Man in Dem Fahrstuhl and there is a trombone
 > player on  Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux, but I do not know if it is
 > George Lewis or not.  Both well worth checking out.

I saw "Ou bien le debarquement Desastreux" live in France (Theatre Les
Amandiers, la Courneuve). The guy who played the trombone was a French
musician called YVES ROBERT (yes, just like the film maker ...) . This
trombonist often plays at the "Instant Chavires" club (the french
Knitting Factory, I would say). He also appears on the ECM record of
that play I guess.

In this show, there was also Xavier Garcia on keaboards. He's a
composer from Lyon (France) who does some electroacoustic work. He's
also member of ARFI collective. You can find his records via MetamKine
distribution who is specialized in free impro and acousmatics.

There was a Daxophon player , but it was not Rene Lussier this time.
For those who do not know what is a "daxophon" : it is an instrument
invented by HANS REICHEL which consists in a piece of wood played with
a bow. The sound is changed using a block of wood to modulate the
length of the vibrating part. This is a nice instrument indeed.

bye.

=====================================
David FENECH, musician , one man band
(Please Send tapes and mail art to :)
2, rue Claude Debussy
38100 Grenoble - France
=====================================
E - Mail : [e-mail]
=====================================

PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The
ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!!



------------------------------

From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:12:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux ....

On Fri, 20 Dec 96 11:00:02 +0100  David FENECH wrote:
>
> PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The
> ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!!

You mean THE UNTRACEABLE CIGAR?

    Patrice.

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