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zorn-list Digest           Friday, 2 August 1996       Volume 02 : Number 006

In this issue:

    Ruins
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #5
    Re:
    Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz
    Re: Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz
    Re:
    Re: WKCR
    Re:
    Re: WKCR
    first recordings/fw 3
    Zorn, Mori, and Patton
    Public Enemy!!!!
    [none]
    Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde <[e-mail]>]
    Masada Dates
    Re: Masada Dates
    Re: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde      <[e-mail]>]
    Fwd: Re: Masada Dates
    John Zorn
    Re: Fwd: Re: Masada Dates
    Zorn / Patton Gig
    Re: Zorn / Patton Gig
    new traditions in east asian bar bands
    Hideki Kato
    David Cronenberg and Zorn
    Re: David Cronenberg and Zorn

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From: "hObO" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:59:33 +0000
Subject: Ruins

Can anyone provide any information on Ruins?  I have Burning Stone,
Ruins, Early Works (which has JZ on sax on 3 tracks...much to my surprise
when I got that one home...) and Hyderomastgroningem (on
Tzadik)...but I've heard of others.  Anyone got a complete
discography or any more information they could share with me?

~heather








- ---
Heather Scott
[e-mail]
http://members.aol.com/hobou818

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From: "R. Edward Stuart" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:02:22 -0400
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #5

At 06:03 PM 7/20/96 -0600, you wrote:
>From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:40:44 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: [none]
>
>Well, since somebody erroneously mentioned Hank Roberts as a part of
>Frisell's new group, I was wondering what happened to Hank. Does
>anyone know? He seemed pretty ubiquitous a couple of years ago but
>hasn't really recorded since (to my knowledge), has been replaced in
>Arcado, been eclipsed by Friedlander, etc.
>Jason B

He lives up in Ithica, NY now.  He is however, a neighbor of the owner of a
CD mail order business that also happens to have a web page
<http://www.jims.com/>.  He sells tapes that Hank makes in a local studio.
So, you can get info on these tapes by using one of the MailTo forms on the
above mentioned web page.

>From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:35:12 -0400
>Subject: Re:

>I don't think he's
>recorded anything since the trio  with Django Bates and Arto Tuncboyacian a
>few years back on JMT ("Little Motor People" I think).

I bought this CD and basicly I hated it from the get-go.  Talk about lame
compositions and music with no edge.  I really like, however, his work with
Tim Berne.  Can anyone suggest any of Roberts' other CDs that shine?
Thanx,
Ed Stuart
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:03:33 -0400
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 96-07-16 16:44:12 EDT, [e-mail] (Steve Smith)
writes:

> Funny you should mention, because I just got nostalgic over Hank just a few
>  days ago, watching the old Frisell Band on a tape of NBC's "Night Music"
>  program.
>
>  Steve Smith

Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
Hank was sitting in too.
It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.


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From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:02:45 -0400
Subject: Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz

In a message dated 96-07-16 06:49:43 EDT, [e-mail] (Torsten
Nielsen) writes:

> I heard something about a new (early '96) record by the Shrieve/Frisell/
>  Horvitz trio, anybody know? "Fascination" is great.
>
>  Jonas
>

The new Shrieve cd is called "Two Doors".  I've mentioned it several times on
this list, and methinks its great.  The trio with Frisell and Horvitz makes
up for half the disc, and it was taken from the Fascination sessions.  The
other half is Shrieve with Guitarist Shawn Lane and bassist Jonas Hellborg.
 Also amazing.


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:52:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz

On Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:02:45 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 96-07-16 06:49:43 EDT, [e-mail] (Torsten
> Nielsen) writes:
>
> > I heard something about a new (early '96) record by the Shrieve/Frisell/
> >  Horvitz trio, anybody know? "Fascination" is great.
> >
> >  Jonas
> >
>
> The new Shrieve cd is called "Two Doors".  I've mentioned it several times on
> this list, and methinks its great.  The trio with Frisell and Horvitz makes
> up for half the disc, and it was taken from the Fascination sessions.  The
> other half is Shrieve with Guitarist Shawn Lane and bassist Jonas Hellborg.
>  Also amazing.

Talking about the tracks on TWO DOORS, Wayne Horvitz told me that he was
very disappointed of the tracks that ended up on FASCINATION. At that time,
he thought that the left over tracks were much better. Needless to say that
he was happy to see that they were finally issued on TWO DOORS!

    Patrice.

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:13:30 -0400
Subject: Re:

>> Funny you should mention, because I just got nostalgic over Hank just a few
>>  days ago, watching the old Frisell Band on a tape of NBC's "Night Music"
>>  program.
>>
>Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
>Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
>Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
>Hank was sitting in too.
>It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.
>
>
That's absolutely right.  In fact, I only regret that Bill didn't get much
solo space on the tune... it was all swallowed up by Earl Klugh wannabe
Fareed Haque.

But one of my favorite things about "Night Music" was the way Hal Willner
would combine the guests together for a big number at the end.  The most
extreme example of this would have to be the time Todd Rundgren, Taj Mahal,
Ellen Foley, Pat Metheny and Christian Marclay (!!!) were put together with
the Night Music band for a rousing number from Gilbert and Sullivan's "HMS
Pinafore" ... it doesn't get much sicker.  Christian Marclay's solo piece
for four turntables during that same episode was pretty mindbending as well,
and it's pretty clear that one of the records he manipulates was a volum of
"Classic Guide to Strategy."

And then there was the time Zorn led the house band (David Sanborn, Hiram
Bullock, Marcus Miller, Omar Hakim and Philippe Saisse) in a rousing
rendition of "Snaggletooth." Just before they played, it seems that Zorn was
goading Hakim a bit, with Hakim firing back off mike.  Can't help but wonder
what that was all about...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: WKCR

has anyone heard the new Dave Douglas record "five?"
I saw where it got a five star review in Downbeat.  It kind of encouraged
me to start checking out jazz mags again...not to mention this CD.
______________________________________________________________________________
Scott McLemore----------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------Drummer/Composer----------------------------------------------------
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:

>
> Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
> Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
> Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
> Hank was sitting in too.
> It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.
>
>
Yeah, I was suprized that they never did anything together after that.  I
was pretty moved by that performance.

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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: WKCR

Crackshot is the new Barondown record.  The stuff he played from it sounded
really wonderful.

______________________________________________________________________________
Scott McLemore----------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------Drummer/Composer----------------------------------------------------
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: "k.   drudge" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:14:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: first recordings/fw 3

i haven't heard anything about the '1st Recordings 1973' (Zorn) CD.
Can someone give me a rundown?  It looks intruiging, yet rather
worrisome.
Also is there a release date for filmworks 3?  from what i've heard,
it looks like it will be a killer.

- - keldon


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From: CHIN HEUNG HEUNG <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:34:48 -0400
Subject: Zorn, Mori, and Patton

For those of you who don't know, Zorn, Ikue Mori and Mike Patton should be
doing a gig at the Knitting Factory August 16 at 9pm and 11pm.

Later,
HH

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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:33:12 -0400
Subject: Public Enemy!!!!

Just a stupid bit of trivia I found out today.  (If people already know this
my advance apologies).

Naked City's Radio Vol 1 album (avant 003) on track #13 "Poisonhead"
features a Public enemy sample about 6 seconds into the track, after Zorn's
first squeal.  I swear you can distinctly hear Chuck D rapping the first
lines from "Caught, Can I get A Witness" from 1988's It Takes a Nation of
Millions to Hold Us Back:

"Caught, now I'm in court 'cause I stole a beat
This is a sampling sport
But I'm giving it a new name
what you hear is mine P.E. you know the time
Now, what in the heaven does a jury know about hell
If I took it, but they just look at me"....

Well, troops, Flav may or may not be in jail, Prof. Griff and the S1W's in
obscurity, Terminator X recovering from motorcycle accidents, Chuck D
struggling to revamp his carreer, but PE lives on with Naked City in my cd
player.


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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 16:56:00 PDT
Subject: [none]

>From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
>
>>
>> Also, and perhaps old news to some of you: did you know John Lurie's
>National
>> Orchestra is prominently featured in the movie "Blue in the Face"?
Billy
>> Martin is one of the drummers in the JLNO.
>
>Amazing!  Baseball manager AND drummer.  Where does he find the time?

Easy. He's dead. He has plenty of time.

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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 01:45:16 -0800
Subject: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde <[e-mail]>]

>To: [e-mail]
>From: Luc Lalonde <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Massada
>
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone know how to get the fourth Massada CD?
>
>Cheers, Luc.

Naes' pick o' da week:One Eye Open "Boobs, the incomplete.."(TooManyRecords)
homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:09:59 -0400
Subject: Masada Dates

Hey! Where The sam hell is everyone? (Probably on vacation)

Some news:
I just spoke with one of the booking agents for Knitting Factory tours and I
asked about Masada.  He said they were touring in late fall.  He gave me two
dates:  Wed. Nov. 13th in boston at the Institute of contemporary Arts and
Nov. 18th in Burlington Vermont at some place that has the name "Flynn" in it.

Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting factory
on Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
Spooky.  Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!


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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Masada Dates

> Some news:
> I just spoke with one of the booking agents for Knitting Factory tours and I
> asked about Masada.  He said they were touring in late fall.  He gave me two
> dates:  Wed. Nov. 13th in boston at the Institute of contemporary Arts and
> Nov. 18th in Burlington Vermont at some place that has the name "Flynn" in it.

Wait wait wait a minute.  I thought Masada were playing Mintreal on Nov.
13th.  Is he ditching Canada completely???

- -jascha


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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:20:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde      <[e-mail]>]

>>X-Sender: [e-mail]
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:00:35 -0400
>>To: [e-mail] (Naes)
>>From: Alain et Louis Potvin <louisp@destination>
>>Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde
>>  <[e-mail]>]
>>
>>Sulut Luc!
>>
>>Comme je vois tu est du Qu=E9bec, Je peut te r=E9pondre en fran=E7ais au=
 sujet de
>>masada 4. Il est trop tard pour recevoir le 4 gratuitement! Avec les 3
>>premiers Masada il y avait un coupon (en Japonais!)qu`on pouvait envoyer p=
ar
>>la poste et ainsi, recevoir le CD. J'ai un ami qui l'a. Il dure seulement =
20
>>Minutes...Il est tr=E8s bon, comme les 5 autres.
>>
>>Alain
>>
>

Naes' pick o' da week:One Eye Open "Boobs, the incomplete.."(TooManyRecords)
homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:43:25 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Re: Masada Dates

- -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --

> Date: Monday, 29-Jul-96 01:09 PM
>
> From: Richard Ladew            \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> To:   Zorn List                \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
>
> Subject: Masada Dates
>
> Some news:
>
> Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting
factory on
> Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
Spooky.
> Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!
>

Even more painful:  I'll be in NYC the following week.  I've discovered
that the booking agents of all my favorites have the inside track with my
travel agent and conveniently book all the most interesting gigs the week
before and the week after I'm there. ("Let's see, Barry will be leaving NY
on August 15th... we'd better book Zorn and Ikue Mori for the night of the
16th.")   Yeah, that's it!  It's a conspiracy!!!




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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:58:47 -0800
Subject: John Zorn

>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:01:39 -0700
>From: "John A. Toohey" <[e-mail]>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: John Zorn
>X-URL: http://meer.net/~browbeat/zornlist.html
>
>I went to Webster College with John Zorn back in the early 70s.  Do you
>know if I can e-mail him?  Thanks for any info.
>
>John Toohey
>[e-mail]
>

Naes' pick o' da week:One Eye Open "Boobs, the incomplete.."(TooManyRecords)
homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:07:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Masada Dates

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:43:25 -0500  Barry Gilbert wrote:
>
> -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
> > Date: Monday, 29-Jul-96 01:09 PM
> >
> > From: Richard Ladew            \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> > To:   Zorn List                \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> >
> > Subject: Masada Dates
> >
> > Some news:
> >
> > Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting
> factory on
> > Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
> Spooky.
> > Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!
> >
>
> Even more painful:  I'll be in NYC the following week.  I've discovered
> that the booking agents of all my favorites have the inside track with my
> travel agent and conveniently book all the most interesting gigs the week
> before and the week after I'm there. ("Let's see, Barry will be leaving NY
> on August 15th... we'd better book Zorn and Ikue Mori for the night of the
> 16th.")   Yeah, that's it!  It's a conspiracy!!!

Weird! I knew it was true for me. Are you saying it is also the case for
you (are we using the same travel agent?). Conspiracy? I guess, because of
lack of a stronger word, I will use that one also :-).

    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail] (david m rothbaum)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:33:59 -0700
Subject: Zorn / Patton Gig

i heard something about a zorn / patton gig in san francisco.  does anyone
have more info on this?

thanks,

david

death to videodrome,  long live the new flesh



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From: [e-mail] (Marc Kate)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 22:42:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Zorn / Patton Gig

>i heard something about a zorn / patton gig in san francisco.  does anyone
>have more info on this?

Yes.
It's on August 12th at Slim's and is quite pricey.

The next night, Zorn is doing Cobra with the Bungle guys, E. Kang, William
Winant and some others.

See you there.

                        Marc Kate
                             [e-mail]



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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:32:01 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: new traditions in east asian bar bands

Could somebody explain to me what the "New Traditions In East Asian Bar Bands"
is? All I know is the following lineups from the Zornfest. I saw that there
is a "NTIEABB" cd to be released on Avant, I hope this is also the lineup for
it, 'cause it looks great.

Sunday-Monday, September 19-20: New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands

  HU DIE (1986)
     * Vivian Hoang: Chinese narration (text by Arto Lindsay)
     * Fred Frith, Bill Frisell: guitars

  HWANG CHIN-EE (1990)
     * Soo Ja Kim: Korean narration (text by Kathy Acker)
     * Samm Bennett, Joey Baron: percussionists

  QUE TRAN (1988)
     * Anh Tran: Vietnamese narration (text by Lyn Hejinian)
     * Mark Degliantoni, Wayne Horvitz: keyboards

Jonas

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:31:12 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Hideki Kato

"From NYC comes XCD-036 HIDEKI KATO  "Hope and Despair". This includes such
luminaries as John Zorn and Zeena Parkins.  A touch of the avant garde mixed
with that NYC sound as seen from Japan."

I found this in the Extreme newsletter. Has any of you heard it?


Jonas

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:31:34 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: David Cronenberg and Zorn

The "Filmworks 2" cd said that Zorn has scored "for the images of numerous
film directors from the famous (Godard, Cronenberg, Walter Hill) to the
infamous (Raul Ruiz, Maria Beatty, Hiroki Ryuichi)." What did he do in
relation to David Cronenberg?

Jonas


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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: David Cronenberg and Zorn

Well, i don't know what the relation between zorn and cronenberg
is...perhaps zorn did some some work for the latest cronenberg movie
'crash', based on the infamous j.g.ballard book of the same name.  Rumour
has it that it's the most extreme movie he's ever done, so i'd say zorn
would be a perfect choice for the soundtrack :)

- -jascha


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