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yello-digest        Wednesday, October 29 1997        Volume 02 : Number 001




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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:25:33 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Jussi Salmi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello/AON

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, James Gillett wrote:

> >As for why nothing was remixed from "Baby" or "Zebra", there might be
> a very simple explanation. Maybe none of the artists favourite
> tracks were on one of those two cd's. Mine's not.

> Hang on. I think we should do a survey to find out whether there really are
> two groups of Yello fans on the list.
> I have a suspicion that we have old/new fans who 'seem' to belong to either
> the '80-'85 or '86-'97 era here.
> Is it true that many of the fans in the early years or doubtful over music
> post 1986?
> For me, The Race latched me onto Yello, and while their early music was
> full of energy and ideas, if Boris had had the same technology in 1997,
> that he had in 1979, we would have had some music to listen to.

I agree, I'm an 'old' fan of Yello. That is very unfortunate for me,
because ever since I became a fan in about 1988, their every new album
has been a slight disappointment for me. If I was a 'new' fan, I would
have been a much happier person in the 90's.

Though, to be completely honest, recently I have to my own amazement
realized, that I actually like PU! Nowadays I think it is superior
to both Zebra and Baby, but still I think it loses out to pre-Baby
music.

Perhaps, the energy is creeping back into their music, and they'll
start the new millennium with a Big Bang!

Jussi Salmi  ---  [e-mail]
'I'm the operator of my pocket calculator'



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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:53:53 +0300
From: Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) CD-Rom

>The CD-ROM looks so illegal,

So we guessed :-)

>Contents: "BABY", "One Second", "ZEBRA", "FLAG", 2LP in 1CD,
>"Essential"

All those in just one disc? Only music? Don't bother folks -- most
probably the audio is compressed with MPEG. But then there is this
program we know nothing about, it could be even worst than MPEG.

I hope to get a copy of the CD-ROM stuff on On Track CD single.
Okay, the large video files are not needed but somebody could
give us a peak for the other files, even it is just a readme file.

Juhana


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:11:24 +0100
From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) BGP - Boris Greetings Project

Hi all!

Please send me your personal greetings
to Boris. I will then bring a print-out of all
greetings to him, as a gift from his fans.

My thought is for you to tell him what his
music has meant to you, I'm sure he will
appreciate this. Suggestions (like you want
to see them live or you want to have all rare
material on CD) is also an idea, but please
don't include any questions: it's obvious that
he will not be able to reply to any questions
indivudually. My interview is set for 10-14 Nov
and if you have any question(s) please send
them to me instead and I'll consider it for my
intreview.

I need your greetings before 6th of Nov.

Please write "BGP" in the subject line.
(Unless you have some questions, in which
case you write "Boris Q" in the subject line.)

Regards, JW





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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:51:00 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Bekaert.T)
Subject: (yello) CD-Rom and the other stuff

From: Bekaert.T@DAIKIN on 24/10/97 08:51

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* First of all. James, your fishing for a remark with that P.S. of
yours. Let's see how it turns out.

* CD: Also includes Pocket Universe (see previous mail) but this was
not written on the cover.
There is also an extra track on Flag called "Tied up in red". It's
another mix and i do not have it on vinyl.

How was it made?
- - 7 WAV files. One for each CD. 44kHz, 4bit mono compressed WAV.
- - 7 Tracklists (textfiles) to put on the screen and to link with
the...
- - 7 Pointerlists which point to the adress where to look for the
beginning of a track.
- - 7 Bitmaps, each time a picture of the original CD
- - The program just has a nice background with some cubes with the text
Yello on it and on this
     the CD's to play. The rest is just a nice looking media player.

How does it sound?
Zebra, Flag and some others sound even worse than the original
( although the CD-quality from Zebra was already horrible).
Pocket Universe did not lose much in quality.
"Stalakdrama"'s scream is dead. The original is also dissapointingly
unclear but...

* To Eric:
- - I'm not old enough nore interrested enough to know when Kraftwerk
started.
Thanks for the information anyway.
- - Although good music might be a pure personal subjective opinion, if
somebody tells me he
likes something and when I ask him why, his answer is :"Well.....
euh,... just because" I tend to
compare this person with my 12 year old cousin listening to House
because euh... well... I donno.
The exchange of subjective oppinions can be a good thing, certainly
when what you are willing to
say is so abstract, you need ten minutes to describe it.

FOR EXAMPLE: Track 10 of PU. Start your engines, put a 750cc two
wheeling bomb under your legs
(Susuki, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha) and speedwheel away on Silverstone
(or francoshamps).
You fly by the pits (wheely) while the accellerating sounds are coming
up, go through all corners
with " Got To (x5)" and with the scrambled voice, just think
stroboscopic ( Try the Monaco GP for this)
If your not going " Faster, Faster, just like a disaster", you'r not a
biker or you've already crashed at
the chicane. With headphones and a dark room it should work.

* To James:
- - If YELLO is against marketing this makes it possible for us NOT to
have some people running
around saying they like YELLO but don't know why. I know a lot of
people who look to Eurosport
and like the music not knowing it's YELLO. "Oh Yeah" also did some
good.
- - Jarre is Crap except for 15 seconds on one of the CD's. The other
one "En attendant Cousteau"
has two real tracks. The first is good if you really must have
something for the carnaval.
The other one is ideal if you want to fall asleep within 46 minutes.
If you don't say it's crap,
you still realise you've never played it more than twice.
- - Vangelis is and has always been too difficult. 1492 was an
exception. All other music gives you
moodtrouble. You can't get the hang of feeling the music. Need more
explanation?
- - See Eric. Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
Unlimited. Final.

*To Chris:
- - I've never heard "Hands on Yello" but if it can be compared to what
some people dit to the "Art of Noise"
after their demise, I do not want to hear it.
- -> If we take some peoples music and put the best stuff first, at the
end, we are surprised what crap they also
made. Think about PRINCE. There's always a song you liked and another
one you find extremely dissapointing.
- -> If you get used to the feeling of a song and hear the remix,
something of that feeling is taken away from you.
It's only when the remix and the original are on the same album, there
is nothing to worry about ( Tied up (in gear)).

Nothing for you this time Juhana

Read Ya                                                     Tom


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Good?

The key point that has to be made when comparing Yello to any
other artist/group or genre is that Boris "makes" his samples. To
use the Lego analogy is cute and convenient  on the surface but
there are no easy pieces to assemble in his world; that is, not bits
that he hasn't had a hand in creating.

To be popular does not to be good in most circles. No doubt Yello
could have sold their soul to the devil or worse- to Disney and be on
more cereal boxes than Michael Jordan. Would that make them more
credible as artists? I point out the fine difference between "the masses"
and  "them asses".  I remember a vulgar statement seen on a t-shirt or
punk lp cover that said, "Eat shit- 50,000,000 flies can't all be wrong."

Pardon my slip.

Had they chosen to go the other route-seeking popularity as opposed
to the route they did choose, I for one would likely be digging through
the record bins for someone I could relate to.


Best, FG

An empty stomach is not a good political adviser.
                                                                       (
Albert Einstein )


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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:02:11 +0000
From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Art of Noise

> Well, *I* like the Art of Noise.
>
> P.S. according to <http://www.lolster.com/lolcurrentproject.html>, there is
> a new Art of Noise album coming out soon!:

> The musical idea behind the album is to fuse the modern "drum and bass"
> rhythms coming out of London with adaptations of songs written by classical
> composer Claude Debussy at the turn of this century.

I listened to the album today... I didn't like it. They did a
very good job, but all the jungle-stuf (drum and bass, whatever) just
isn't my style.
The 'Hands On Yello' album is much more accessible and has a greater
diversity in style.

Groeten,
Olaf.


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:30:41 +0100
From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello

On 24th October, Minstrel Arts wrote:
>I listened to the album today[Art Of Noise]... I didn't like it. They did
a very good job, but all the jungle-stuff
 (drum and bass, whatever) just isn't my style.
F. Griego wrote:
>To be popular does not to be good in most circles.

On this subject, I bought the CD by Roni Size yesterday: the guy who won
the Mercury Music
Prize here in the UK. He was relatively unheard of, compared to the other
nominees for the award, (Prodigy, Chemical Bros.) However, it's very
listenable, and full of the interest that you would expect, and I recommend
it to you. Also a [new?] bandcalled 'Juno Reactor' (there's quite a lot of
stuff about them on the web) feature some incredibly *Yelloish* tracks.
Check out 'Conga Fury' on their 'Bible
Of Dreams.'
I bet you Boris will probably cut up some drum and bass for the next yello
album. It's almost predictable isn't it? It's these little points that make
me wonder whether yello (as we have discussed before) are
following rather than 'leading' in the music world.


On 24th October T. Bekaert wrote:
>I'm not old enough nore interrested enough to know when Kraftwerk
started. Thanks for the information anyway.

I take it then, that you are not *old* enough to know about other
discretionary composers of the past.....people like Beethoven or Mozart for
example... Now they're so 'old'.. aren't they?.........

> Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
Unlimited. (Final)*

I dunno. Perhaps it's because I am a musician myself, but when I listen to
'Resistor' (and I know a
lot of you will look in disbelief) it almost sounds a bit 'plodding.' -
it's already beginning to sound dated.
But this is purely my opinion. I entirely understand if you disagree. *The
remark made that it sounded like
'2 Unlimited' was made by in a music magazine review.

James    [e-mail]


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:03:28 +0300
From: Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Soundstation

Hello. Months ago I downloaded the soundstation samples to my home for
making a better remix with Csound. Now I have found something interesting.
But I first describe what is the soundstation in case somebody don't know
about it. It is located at "http://www.yello.ch/soundstation".

You are controlling the mixer which has 8 tracks. Each track can play
a loop which is repeated endlessly. You can control track's playing volume
and put it on or off.

7 of 8 tracks are such that you may choose the played loop from three
possible loops. For example, one track is dedicated for vocal samples.
And so, there are 7x3 loop samples.

One track is dedicated for your own loop which you can make by using smaller
pattern samples. This pattern mixer has 7 channels. The pattern samples
can be put to 8 different places on the time axis. For each channel you
may choose the played pattern sample from three possible pattern samples.
Thus, there are 7x3 pattern samples available. You may also control the
amplitude of each channel.

When I tried the mixer, the whole system stopped when loops and pattern
samples were loaded. Thus, before doing anything else, you should put the
player on, click every pattern sample button, and click every loop button.
This loads all samples to your own computer, after which there are no delays
in operations.

Yes, the news: the mixer is missing one track dedicated for synth sounds,
and there are a few more pattern samples. You may look the missing samples
from "http://www.yello.ch/soundstation/loops" and
"http://www.yello.ch/soundstation/patterns/".

The missing samples are
  loops/yello_synth1.au
  loops/yello_synth2.au
  loops/yello_synth3.au
  patterns/kick4.au
  patterns/kick5.au
  patterns/cl_hihat4.au
  patterns/noise4.au
  patterns/blow1.au
  patterns/crash1.au
  patterns/o_hihat1.au
  patterns/o_hihat2.au
  patterns/vib1.au

Most less I understand why the synth sample track is missing. Perhaps
it is a mistage. I will mail to www.yello.ch maintainers about this.

I have put all samples to "ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/
Yello/samples/yellosoundstation.tar.gz". I also converted original 'au'
audiofiles to 16 bit 'wav' audiofiles but kept the original samplerates
because there I had no good samplerate converter around. Both 'au' and
'wav' files are included in this 1.2 Mbytes file. There is also mixer.html
file where from you may look what tracks contains what loop possibilities.

Happy remixing,

Juhana


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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:04:14 +0200
From: "Geir Hauso" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello

Hello everbody fans of yello.

Some stuff for sale:

One second (1987) Cd 6=A3 (used)

You gotta say yes to another excess (1983) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Zebra (1994) Cd 6=A3 (used)

The new mix in one go (1986) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Stella (1985) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Baby (1991) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Flag (1988) Lp 15=A3

Of course we can change i`m interested in all Yello items.

Mail:([e-mail])


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:23:33 +1100
From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Art of Noise and a bit of Yello

At 21:02 24/10/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> P.S. according to <http://www.lolster.com/lolcurrentproject.html>, there is
>> a new Art of Noise album coming out soon!:
>I listened to the album today... I didn't like it. They did a
>very good job, but all the jungle-stuf (drum and bass, whatever) just
>isn't my style.

Are you talking about the remix album "Drum and Bass Collection"? This is
not the new album I was talking about, which to my knowledge hasn't been
released yet.

Obligatory Yello reference: I came across a recent interview with Dieter
about PU at <http://www.placebomag.com/interview.html>... unfortunately for
me, it's in French.

Mark

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:19:12 +1100
From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Baker's Barn

I recently got my grubby little paws on a copy of Carlos Peron's latest
album, "Baker's Barn". It is a soundtrack to the novel by Ady Henry Kiss.
The booklet helpfully tells you what page of the novel you should read
while listening to a particular track. Unfortunately that's no help to me
as I don't speak German... but strangely enough the voices in the
background of the music all seem to be in English. Well, there you go.
There is an interview with Mr Kiss at
<http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/970101/moder06.html>.
Also <http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/970122/moder07.html> has more information
on Baker's Barn. Unfortunately for me, these are in German.  These are
dated from January this year.
For those of you who have "Manhattan II" (another novel soundtrack released
in 1995), you will have some idea of what to expect. For those who don't...

Cover: (picture of cover is at <http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/cd/cd33_28.html>)
Front cover has a picture of a woman's face, with her hair made from golden
threads eminating from a tube of toothpaste. If anyone can explain this to
me... The back cover of the CD and the back of the booklet feature Barbie
wearing chains. Does Carlos have something against her? (Carlos took the
photos.) In the middle of the booklet is a picture of sheep in a paddock,
with the text "Wenn ich nicht schlafen konnte" above it. (Translation,
anyone?) Above the text is an upside-down picture of the same paddock, but
not zoomed in as much. (I think it's the same picture, not a second picture
taken at the same location. For those who really wanted to know.)

Overall:
To me it is unlike anything Yello has done. Being a soundtrack it has no
songs (i.e. no-one sings), and plenty of atmospheric music. It had some
great tracks, but I felt it was let down by a couple of aimless tracks...
but this is a soundtrack, not a dance album.

System Of The Spear:
Begins with background noises and announcements "We've got plenty of time,
get ready...", before the music begins. Long notes over a bass line and
'popping' sounds. Then a bell repeatedly plays three descending notes.
(Think of the descending notes in "Moon Dog", just played on bells and with
three notes not four. Did that sentence make any sense?). Very atmospheric.
My favourite track.

Weekend Transit/Baker's Barn:
Begins with more ambient noise before a soft 'brushed snare drum' rhythm
begins. (?representing a very quiet train?).

Experimental Installation:
This track has lots of long loud noises. Doesn't seem to go anywhere. (It's
times like this I wish I had the novel...)

Soldiers On T.V. #1:
Sounds of marching, then a 'machine' rhythm begins (similar to the machine
sounds in Pink Floyd's "Welcome To The Machine").

Skench:
(Yes, that *is* a 'k' in the song title, not a 't'.) Second-favourite
track. Faintly in the background an African choir can be heard. A
reverberating bass line begins. Then the bass line proper begins (similar
rhythm and speed to the bass line in "Blue Green", but different notes)
over more long notes.=20

Ultimate Correction:
Some electronic screams, a series of electronic claps, some 'electronic'
sounds, then yet more sustained notes over a fast drum beat and semiquavers

Living On The Ground:
I'm not terribly fond of this track. There is an insistent scratching
rhythm with long notes over the top of it. At the start and finish there
are assorted screams, yells and the like.

Church Of Cosmatics:
This seems to be the token 'pop song' on the album. I like it, but there
seems to be something missing that I can't place. Maybe it's a bit too much
like a pop song for my tastes...? Oh well.

Adhesive Paste:
I don't know who Mr. Timothy Leary is, but this track is dedicated to his
memory.
The bass again reminded me of "Blue Green" (but the harmonies are different
again). I like this track also.

Breathing Amphibic Vehicles:
Sounds like... sounds like... um... a submarine? This track is mainly
sounds heard inside a submarine (or something similar), with a long
sustained note over the top. A couple of notes remind me of "Go To Hell"
(from "Impersonator 3").

Iron Bridge:
Lots of ambient sounds with some electronic sounds, but doesn't really go
anywhere.

Small:
Lots of long notes.

Soldiers On T.V. #2:
When I have some time, I'll record this backwards and listen to it, as
those sounds at the start definitely sound backwards to me. Some (forwards)
marching sounds also appear, and the "machine" noise makes a reappearance.=
=20

Baker's Barn (End Title):
A 32 note pattern is played on tubular bells and on the low notes of a
piano, followed by the same amount of time silence before the notes are
played again... and again... and again... for 9 minutes 20 seconds. In the
background is a slowly changing... um... background of long notes, sound
effects, etc. This description sound boring, but actually I think it (the
music, not my description) is very effective. It is the only piece to not
have a page reference, so I assume it would be played during the 'end
credits' (if books had them). As the booklet says, "close your eyes and
hear / schlie=DFe die Augen und h=F6re"

Well, there you have it. Now I'd better get back to study - exams begin in
two days... :-(

Mark

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:14:24 +0100
From: Angstrom <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Old/New Yello fans

I'm following the debate about Old/New Yello Fans, and my comment, as an
"Old" Yello fan, is that their first stuff was great at the time (and
still is) and their new stuff is just getting better or at least keeping
the same level of quality. It is sad to hear about people disliking PU,
Zebra and Baby, so sad. But of course everyone┤s right to their opinion.

About the comment that real Yello lovers laugh at Jean Michel Jarre i
can only laugh back at whoever said it. JMJ is just as fantastic as
Yello, but in his own way. That goes for Kraftwerk as well. Does anyone
know what Boris and Dieter think about the above mentioned?

Regards John ┼.



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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:30:38 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) CD-Rom and the other stuff

> Hi Tom
>
> Thanks for the info about the CD-rom.
>
>
> >- See Eric. Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
> >Unlimited. Final.
>
> Just for the facts. I've never stated this. Someone else made this
> quotation. Originaly it's from a music magazine review and personally
> I think it's a strange thing to compare Resistor and 2 Unlimited.
>
> >I tend to compare this person with my 12 year old cousin listening to
> House
> >because euh... well... I donno.
>
> Why does he have to explain it. If that's his opinion and the music
> makes him feel good, well... so what. If he can't explain why he likes
> it in a way that you can understand .....well. Could it bee that you
> two are looking at things from different angles that is the
> explenation. Is there, in your opinion, some sort of standard that
> says "If you can explain good music in this or that way, then I will
> considder it to be a good opinion".  And the rest is ignorance? or
> what? Why do one have to explain what good music is? A  discussion
> about how you apprehend (thinking of your example) the music can be
> very interesting but it doesn't have to have anything to do wether the
> music is good or not.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
>


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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:16:45 +0100
From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) review - zebra

I just found this review on www.cdnow.com, when looking for info on Zebra

New Musical Express 10/22/94, p.45:

6 - Good - "...A kind of B-52's sound that you're frightened to laugh
at...another interesting, ultimately hollow exercise from men with
one beady eye squinting at mainstream pop..."


Let's hope their children all get very small penises - including the girls


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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:02:06 +0100
From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Snowball

Hi All,

I'm relatively new to this list, so here's my vital data.

I Discovered Yello in 1983, and has been a fan ever since. I've seen the
discussion about New Vs. Old fans, and I must say that it's not all of us
Oldies that can't appreciate the new stuff. I think all the albums are
great - I can't even name a track that I don't like. The cd that most often
finds it's way onto my cd-player, however is Baby. I can't get enough of
that one.

But enough about that.

I saw on the "of couse I'm lying" double-maxi thingie that there would be a
yello movie, called snowball. Did this project ever happen? Being in
Denmark - which is not a terribly yello friendly country, I have never been
able to find out.

Another thing I've been thinking about is whether it would be ok, moralwise,
to send samples of mixes and other stuff here. For instance I've got a vinyl
record with interviews and stuff that I could let you all hear, if you wish.
I thoght that if we MP3'd stuff and downsampled it a lot, nobody could argue
that it would be of a quality that would make people NOT buy the original.

- -Appreciate you'r thoughts.

Bo


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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:10:45 -0000
From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Zebra

>>.A kind of B-52's sound that you're frightened to laugh
at...another interesting, ultimately hollow exercise from men with
one beady eye squinting at mainstream pop..."

    Yeah, I saw this one too. I don't understand why they described it as a
'B52's style.' I don't
think they could be any further from the truth. Infact this band bears
little, if any
similarity to Yello. "Hollow exercise?" - I doubt that. I think the
reviewer was perhaps new to the
techno field - as 'hollow' is often used to describe techno music, by
people who aren't fond of it.
    However, there is a point I'd like to make about 'Zebra' to the list: -
just to ask the question of
whether the album lived up to the expectations set out initially by 'Do It'
& 'How How.'? These two
singles were masterpieces, and the whole anticipation of the release of
Zebra was what made it in '94.
    However, in reality, the rest of the tracks (except perhaps Poom Shanka,
S.A.X, I'm in love), just
seemed already dated, and maybe a bit 80's (I'm sure that I've offended
someone here..).I felt a bit
dissapointed by 'The Premix'. 1) Because, probably like everyone else I
bought the How How single- I have the Premix now on 5 Cd's) 2)It wasn't the
hardest track in the world to make.

    >>I've seen the discussion about New Vs. Old fans, and I must say that
it's not all of us
Oldies that can't appreciate the new stuff.
    I've met loads of people who heard of/liked Yello in the early eighties,
but their interest in them
dwindled. I'd lay fair bet, that because Yello do have a broad range of
styles in their music, people simply
do not recognise them when they appear on the radio or whatever later on.
- -This is probably the down side
to having such a varied style I suppose.


James    [e-mail]

"Nothing is irrelevant"  - Bill Hicks, 1992


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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:38:35 +1300
From: "Blender" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Snowball

>The cd that most often
>finds it's way onto my cd-player, however is Baby. I can't get enough of
>that one.

I agree, for when it first came out it lived in the changer in the car for 2
years!
None of the other yellos lived for that long in the car
Paul
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