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utahoutdoors-digest       Tuesday, June 30 1998       Volume 02 : Number 099




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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: ElBongo <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions?

My 2 friends and I are interested in a week long trip to Utah, early
September. What we're interested in doing is catching fish, canoeing
(class II or slower), camping on the river, and a little hiking.
Awesome scenery is a must. Anyone have any suggestions?




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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:44:34 +0000
From: "Randall R. Arabie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Re: Elbongo

I have a friend who did a three day / two night canoe trip on the
White River on the Colorado & Utah border.  I'm not sure of the
fishing but he was impressed with the scenery.

Randall R. Arabie
Senior Staff Scientist
EnecoTech, Inc.
1580 Lincoln Street, Ste. 1000
Denver, CO 80203

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:46:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions?

This reply came from a non-subscriber; I was not aware of this list for
Utah fishermen:


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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:39:15 -0600
From: Webmaster MSRI <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions?

If you are primarily interested in fishing try the discussion at
[e-mail].  This group will know where the fishing is
hot and maybe some about the scenery.  Or try the website at
www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest.com.

- -jim


ElBongo wrote:

> My 2 friends and I are interested in a week long trip to Utah, early
> September. What we're interested in doing is catching fish, canoeing
> (class II or slower), camping on the river, and a little hiking.
> Awesome scenery is a must. Anyone have any suggestions?
> -


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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:48:25 -0600 (MDT)
From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions?

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim wrote:

> If you are primarily interested in fishing try the discussion at
> [e-mail].  This group will know where the fishing is
> hot and maybe some about the scenery.  Or try the website at
> www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest.com.

Oops - the correct URL is:
  www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest/

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:18 -0400
From: "William Hoffman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:43:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] GPS article

There's an interesting article on GPS (Global Positioning System) in
today's "Outdoors" section of the SL Tribune; see:
  http://www.sltrib.com/1998/jun/06301998/Outdoors/Outdoors.htm

Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units?  How useful have you
found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures?  Pros and cons?

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:24:55 -0700
From: David Brandt-Erichsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] GPS

At 04:43 PM 6/30/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units?  How useful have you
>found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures?  Pros and cons?

I find them very useful.  Now that the cost is down to about $100, they are
a very worthwhile investment.

I hike a lot in canyonlands where the terrain is so jumbled it can be very
hard to read the topo.  With a GPS I can in a couple of minutes find out
exactly what side canyon I am looking at.  When you use UTM coordinates,
you can tell just where you are on a topo map just by eyeballing it.  (On
older maps you would need to draw in the UTM grid -- but it's there already
on all the newer maps.)

Two caveates:  (1) Never rely solely on a GPS.  If you do, it's batteries
might give out and then you won't know where you are!  (2) If you plan on
using the GPS as a navigation aid, always remember to take a fix at your
car before you start.  I once got lost in a forrested area with no visible
landmarks.  I had my GPS and a compass with me, but no topo map.  I had
forgotten to get a fix at the car, so the GPS was totally useless in
finding my way back!  I hadn't planned on using the GPS, but it turned out
I sure could have.

The GPS is only accurate to within just less than a tenth of a mile.  I use
it a lot for arch-hunting, but it is not accurate enough to get you right
to an arch.  This is unfortunate, especially in an area like Kentucky,
where a natural arch can be totally invisible from 10 feet away due to the
thick vegetation.  This is true even in Utah, where an arch can be in such
jumbled terrain that it is still very hard to find even if you have
accurate coordinates for it in your GPS.

GPS units are great.  I highly recommend them.  Just be aware of their
limitations.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:06:37 -0400
From: "Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] GPS

My sentiments exactly.  A useful tool to augment your already good ability
to route find without it.  I have had a GPS for 4 years now, and carry it
with me out west.  I find that it usually confirms where I thought I was
anyway.  At least that has been our experience in Utah's canyon country,
although with the deep canyons, it takes a long time to get a fix.  Maybe
the newer ones are better.

There are times that I have been in bad fog in the mtns (Olympics, Cascades,
ets) where I had wished I had one.  But we found our way anyway.

A suggestion:  use lithium batteries with them.  Weigh less and last longer.

Roger

Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald
Co-Editors:  the Tennes-Sierran
Our newsletter is available at:
www.cs.utk.edu/~dixon/hbgsierra.html
Check out the report of our Grand Canyon Backpack at:
www.kaibab.org/happy/gctr9805.htm



>>Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units?  How useful have you
>>found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures?  Pros and cons?
>
>I find them very useful.  Now that the cost is down to about $100, they are
>a very worthwhile investment.
>
>I hike a lot in canyonlands where the terrain is so jumbled it can be very
>hard to read the topo.  With a GPS I can in a couple of minutes find out
>exactly what side canyon I am looking at.  When you use UTM coordinates,
>you can tell just where you are on a topo map just by eyeballing it.  (On
>older maps you would need to draw in the UTM grid -- but it's there already
>on all the newer maps.)
>
>Two caveates:  (1) Never rely solely on a GPS.  If you do, it's batteries
>might give out and then you won't know where you are!  (2) If you plan on
>using the GPS as a navigation aid, always remember to take a fix at your
>car before you start.  I once got lost in a forrested area with no visible
>landmarks.  I had my GPS and a compass with me, but no topo map.  I had
>forgotten to get a fix at the car, so the GPS was totally useless in
>finding my way back!  I hadn't planned on using the GPS, but it turned out
>I sure could have.
>
>The GPS is only accurate to within just less than a tenth of a mile.  I use
>it a lot for arch-hunting, but it is not accurate enough to get you right
>to an arch.  This is unfortunate, especially in an area like Kentucky,
>where a natural arch can be totally invisible from 10 feet away due to the
>thick vegetation.  This is true even in Utah, where an arch can be in such
>jumbled terrain that it is still very hard to find even if you have
>accurate coordinates for it in your GPS.
>
>GPS units are great.  I highly recommend them.  Just be aware of their
>limitations.
>
>
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>
>




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