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From: "T.L. Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 02 Feb 1999 17:02:57 PST

I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like
to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am
not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
do.




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From: Lou & Jim Gostlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:51:40 -0700

Hi T.L.!

Arches National Park is my very favorite National Park--and I have been to a
lot of them!
However, there really is not any real good backpacking in that park.  The
longest regular hike is about 7 miles (it IS a great hike, though).  You are
not supposed to camp outside the park campground.  It is a beautiful
campground, but still it is a regular campground, solar power & all. the
arches is only about 4 miles from here.

Canyonlands is very close by & has some great back country.  Canyonlands also
has many arches. My choice backpacking trips would be to Angel Arch, Druid
Arch or to the
"All American Man" (pictograph). You can call 1-800-635-6622 and they will
send you TONS of info on the area.  In addition to that, we have an
information center here in Moab that is really great about helping you plan
your trip.

I just moved here from Columbus, Ohio (GO BUCKS!) last summer.  My daughter &
I (a grad student at O.S.U.) and I back packed to Keet Seel in Navajo National
Monument.  We thought it was great!  Navajo N.M. is in northeast Arizona not
too far from Kayenta on the Navajo reservation (the big rez).

If you go to Zion and want to backpack to avoid the crowds, you would want to
concentrate on the northern section of the park--the Kolob section.  I haven't
been there, but I hear it is nice. "The Narrows" is the most common place to
go on a long hike, but can get pretty crowded.  Due to the danger of "flash
floods" you can not hike the narrows if there is threat of rain because it is
a slot canyon.

Southeast Utah gets my vote.  When we moved here, it is because we'd been to
49 states & southeast Utah is where we liked the best.  I still do.  Many days
I feel like I am living in Mecca.  Are you familiar with Edward Abbey & either
DESERT SOLITAIRE or the MONKEYWRENCH GANG?  This is Abbey country.

Does this help? Moab has a web site, but I am not sure what the address is.  I
think all of the national parks do too.  I can get phone numbers for you if
you'd like. If I can answer any more questions, let me know.  Lou

T.L. Phillips wrote:

> I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like
> to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
> enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am
> not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
> do.
>
> _______________________________________________________
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Subject: [OUTDOORS] to T.L. Phillips
Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:55:52 -0700

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Hi T.L.!

Arches National Park is my very favorite National Park--and I have been to a
lot of them!
However, there really is not any real good backpacking in that park.  The
longest regular hike is about 7 miles (it IS a great hike, though).  You are
not supposed to camp outside the park campground.  It is a beautiful
campground, but still it is a regular campground, solar power & all. the
arches is only about 4 miles from here.

Canyonlands is very close by & has some great back country.  Canyonlands also
has many arches. My choice backpacking trips would be to Angel Arch, Druid
Arch or to the
"All American Man" (pictograph). You can call 1-800-635-6622 and they will
send you TONS of info on the area.  In addition to that, we have an
information center here in Moab that is really great about helping you plan
your trip.

I just moved here from Columbus, Ohio (GO BUCKS!) last summer.  My daughter &
I (a grad student at O.S.U.) and I back packed to Keet Seel in Navajo National
Monument.  We thought it was great!  Navajo N.M. is in northeast Arizona not
too far from Kayenta on the Navajo reservation (the big rez).

If you go to Zion and want to backpack to avoid the crowds, you would want to
concentrate on the northern section of the park--the Kolob section.  I haven't
been there, but I hear it is nice. "The Narrows" is the most common place to
go on a long hike, but can get pretty crowded.  Due to the danger of "flash
floods" you can not hike the narrows if there is threat of rain because it is
a slot canyon.

Southeast Utah gets my vote.  When we moved here, it is because we'd been to
49 states & southeast Utah is where we liked the best.  I still do.  Many days
I feel like I am living in Mecca.  Are you familiar with Edward Abbey & either
DESERT SOLITAIRE or the MONKEYWRENCH GANG?  This is Abbey country.

Does this help? Moab has a web site, but I am not sure what the address is.  I
think all of the national parks do too.  I can get phone numbers for you if
you'd like. If I can answer any more questions, let me know.  Lou

T.L. Phillips wrote:

> I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like
> to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
> enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am
> not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
> do.
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/
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From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell
Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:32:54 -0700 (MST)

This message bounced... anyone have info on this question?

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Reply-To: [e-mail]

We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice
on.  We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake  Powell.
At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for
each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog.
    Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could offer
some advice?  How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks
(or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)?
    Thanks,
    Kevin Dickerson    [e-mail]
    Pleasant Grove



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From: Steve Cutler <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:53:45 -0700

T.L.,

My wife and I are natives of Utah and have spent a few spring breaks in
the Arches area.  Moab is a great little tourist town with a miriad of
things to do just a few miles away. They've got great food and gift
shops.

Just outside of Moab is the famed Slickrock bike trail.  We always run
into people not only from all over the country, but also from all over
the world when riding that trail.  It is a beautiful trail unlike any in
the world I am told by many foreigners.  There's a 2-mile practice loop
for the novice biker, or for a great warm up for the big daddy.  Moab
has everything you need to get set up for a good bike ride including
bike rentals, repair gear, maps, and other bike gear.

If you're into climbing there are some good climbs in the area as well.
The soft sandstone is not for the novice, but there are a few low rated
sport climbs, and a great top rope area.  The area has many classic
traditional climbs.  Protection ranges from the very small to the big
dudes. Again Moab has everything you need for climbing too.  There are a
couple of good climbing shops in town where you can stock up on any
extra gear you need, and luckily the price for the local guidebook is
really low (I think it's still only 5-6 dollars)!

Arches National park is about 10 miles out of Moab with great scenery
and some good hiking.  It's not much for the serious backpacker, but it
does provide beautiful scenery unlike anywhere in the world.

Another atraction to the Moab area is the Colorado River.  Depending on
what kind of a budget you are on you may be able to afford a day or two
trip down the river.  We have been down stretches of that river 4 or 5
times and I never get tired of it.  A great company to go with if you
decide to is World Wide River Expeditions.  The owner is a friend of my
Dad's.  His name is Richard Jones.  Not too long ago he built a one man
row boat and set out to row across the ocean.  He's quite the man.

The only downfall with the Moab\Arches area is the crowds during spring
break.  I've never been to Zions over spring break, so I don't know what
kind of crowds you are going to run into, but I do know you will run
into crowds in Moab and Arches.

Hope you have a great stay in Utah.  It's a great state!

Steve Cutler

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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:03 PM


I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would
like
to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I
am
not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
do.




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From: Jeff Porcaro <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:11:31 -0700

There are some trail descriptions located on the GearReview.com web site in
the destinations area. Some of these descriptions are in the southern Utah
area and are great trails.

The site also has a contest for entering trail or gear descriptions on the
site. The prize is a Eureka! Apollo II internal-frame backpack.

Jeff Porcaro

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From: "Christensen, Robert D" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell
Date: 03 Feb 1999 15:42:28 -0500

    Kevin:

    I've kayaked on the lake once before in the fall (low boat traffic).
We rented some sea kayaks from the outdoors department/shop at BYU.  They
were a sea kayak design, but the sit on top type, with no spray skirt or
rudder.  However, the hatch could hold a lot of gear, more than a full
backpack load.

    Robert Christensen
    [e-mail]

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> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0700
> From: Kevin Dickerson <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell
>
> We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice
> on.  We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake  Powell.
> At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for
> each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog.
>     Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could
> offer
> some advice?  How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks
> (or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)?
>     Thanks,
>     Kevin Dickerson    [e-mail]
>     Pleasant Grove
>
>
>
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From: Lou & Jim Gostlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell
Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:36:50 -0700

We have a shop in Moab that can rent you the things you need.  Moab is not too
far away.  Thier toll free phone number is 1-800-733-6007.  Their local number is
[phone].  E mail address is [e-mail] & web site is
www.canyonvoyages.com.  Give them a try.  we have rented from them many times!
Lou

David Kenison wrote:

> This message bounced... anyone have info on this question?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0700
> From: Kevin Dickerson <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell
>
> We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice
> on.  We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake  Powell.
> At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for
> each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog.
>         Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could offer
> some advice?  How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks
> (or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)?
>         Thanks,
>         Kevin Dickerson    [e-mail]
>         Pleasant Grove
>
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From: BOB EISELE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:31:32 -0800

1. Zion from the I-15 enterance station thru Kolob canyon, La Verkin,
then over the top and down into Zion proper is a nice 4 day packpack.
Get a book and a map becaue water is scarce.  See
http://www.GearReview.com/laverkin.asp for a description of the reverse
trip.  35-38 miles.  Did it with a Girl Scout Troop 4-5 yrs ago.

2. Paria River Canyon is a 3-4 trip through a slot canyon.  Comes out
near Lee's Ferry.  Gets your feet wet, very wet.

I've got more info if you want it.

T.L. Phillips wrote:
>
> I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like
> to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
> enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am
> not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
> do.
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/
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From: BOB EISELE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:31:32 -0800

1. Zion from the I-15 enterance station thru Kolob canyon, La Verkin,
then over the top and down into Zion proper is a nice 4 day packpack.
Get a book and a map becaue water is scarce.  See
http://www.GearReview.com/laverkin.asp for a description of the reverse
trip.  35-38 miles.  Did it with a Girl Scout Troop 4-5 yrs ago.

2. Paria River Canyon is a 3-4 trip through a slot canyon.  Comes out
near Lee's Ferry.  Gets your feet wet, very wet.

I've got more info if you want it.

T.L. Phillips wrote:
>
> I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like
> to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different
> enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am
> not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please
> do.
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/
>
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From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Bluff suggestions
Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:15:11 -0700 (MST)

This message bounced... any suggestions? -DaveK

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I will be spending about 4 days in the Bluff area in mid May and am looking
for suggestions about day trips,hikes,etc.I am especially interested in the
area's archaeology and natural history.I've heard good things about Combe
Ridge and Butler Wash. I'll be by myself,so nothing too strenuous or
overnight on this trip.Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Owen

William G. Owen
Chair and Extension Agent
Environmental Education,Community Development
Lake County,Ohio
440-350-2264


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From: Lou & Jim Gostlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Bluff suggestions
Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:41:29 -0700

Hi Fellow Buckeye!
Hope you will enjoy our new home state of Utah.  We love it here! The area
around Bluff has some GREAT stuff.  A couple of weeks ago we were hiking in
Lower Mule Canyon.  I can't wait to get back & see South Mule Canyon, North
Mule Canyon & Arch Canyon, all practically in the shadow of the Comb ridge.
Located on Route 95 between the Mule Canyon Ruins & Comb Ridge.

Of course Grand Gulch has a lot of great ruins.  I haven't been there yet, but
am very anxious to go.  We had my little Mustang & we really should have taken
my husband's 4WD truck or our son's Jeep.  The roads were muddy the day we went
there.

If you go to the ruins at Butler Wash , from the interpretive sign, go around
the fence to the right & down the little canyon.  You will cross over a natural
bridge before getting to the rim above the alcove where the ruins are.  You
will see a few hand prints & I think there are some petroglyphs there under the
bridge.  It is mainly pretty.  Also, as you are at the interpretive sign, note
the Anasazi "ladder", little toe holds cut into the rock to the left of the
ruin.

Have you been to Bluff before?  It is a beautiful little town.  Just south of
Bluff on Rt. 191 is Sand Island  on the San Juan River.  It is the "put in" for
San Juan River trips (sure hope we get the permit we put in for!).  Look on the
cliff with desert varnish.  There may be a fence there now.  There are lots of
petroglyphs on that cliff wall.  There are a bunch of kokopellis too.

You will also be close enough to go to Hovenweep.  If you go, they have a nice
campground there and a short hike through the canyon that will take you to some
real nice ruins.

I got a great book about hiking in this area for Christmas.  I will try to "e"
you with the info on the book when I bring it from home.

Four days is not enough time in Utah.  That is why we moved here last summer.
We have really been enjoying the winter hiking.  I always hated winter in
Columbus.  Stop in at the fabric shop in Moab if you get up our way & say
,"Hi".

David Kenison wrote:

> This message bounced... any suggestions? -DaveK
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:35:03 -0500
> To: [e-mail]
> From: Bill Owen <[e-mail]>
> Subject:
>
> I will be spending about 4 days in the Bluff area in mid May and am looking
> for suggestions about day trips,hikes,etc.I am especially interested in the
> area's archaeology and natural history.I've heard good things about Combe
> Ridge and Butler Wash. I'll be by myself,so nothing too strenuous or
> overnight on this trip.Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Owen
>
> William G. Owen
> Chair and Extension Agent
> Environmental Education,Community Development
> Lake County,Ohio
> 440-350-2264
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From: David Kenison <[e-mail]>
Subject: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes
Date: 26 Feb 1999 15:28:30 -0700 (MST)

Anyone want to suggest a hike or two?  Please reply to the list...
DaveK

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I have done several of the slot canyons in Utah, i.e. paria, hallscreek,
wild horse.  But I am now looking for about a 5-7 day hike, where I won't
run into other people.  Just solitude. Any suggestions?

--
Stephen Guye - K7PBX
Napa, California





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From: "R Jenkins/S McDonald" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes
Date: 26 Feb 1999 20:04:22 -0500

Hikes with solitude for 5 - 7 days.  OK, here are our secrets:  Upper Paria
(the part north of Hwy 89) up past Standing Rock, then over the plateau east
to Hackberry Canyon.  Lots of side canyon exploring, and in the end of April
'94, we went must about 7 days without seeing another human being, except
ourselves.  And it is nice because it is a loop trip.

Way back in 1983, we descended the Sundance Trail into Lower Dark Canyon.
Did an 8 nite trip without seeing anyone after the first day.

In '88, we went almost 5 days without seeing anyone in the Dirty Devil River
canyon, not until we got up to the Angel Springs/Robber's Roost area.

Many of our trips have involved week long trips where we went several days
without seeing anyone.

Roger



Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald

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>Anyone want to suggest a hike or two?  Please reply to the list...
>DaveK
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:16:04 -0800
>From: Stephen Guye <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (no subject)
>
>I have done several of the slot canyons in Utah, i.e. paria, hallscreek,
>wild horse.  But I am now looking for about a 5-7 day hike, where I won't
>run into other people.  Just solitude. Any suggestions?
>
>--
>Stephen Guye - K7PBX
>Napa, California
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Kevin Dickerson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes
Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:46:33 +0000

David,
    I don't have a hike to recommend but a question (as usual).  I am
planning a 100 mile or so mountain bike ride from Tucker to Palisades
reservior past Manti via the Skyline Ridge.  We will kayak many of the
lakes along the way in homeade kayaks.
    Anyone have any "must-see" spots or great camping spots you'd
recommend?
    We're planning on 5 days for the trip.
    Thanks,
    Kevin

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